The Night of the Living Zerglings!!!!! Coming to a store near you!!! [Archive]

krogothwolf

07-26-2010, 02:03 PM

Mwuahahahaha. My pre-ordered copy of the wonderful little game called StarCraft 2 arrived at my work today and now I am staring at it all day waiting till the release date to play this game how how they do torture me so!

I do wonder if the "Midnight" release means my current timezone or the other time zones? Cause if I can install it on EST at 12am then I be a happy camper! Otherwise I HATE YOU EVIL GAME WHO NOW MOCKS ME WITH ITS PRESENCE!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thing looks as awesome as it did in the Beta though, really does.

The packaging looks cool, that's all I can say about it right now. I got a notepad with Jim Rayners face on it saying he's wanted and 2 Guest Passes for WoW and 2 for Starcraft 2! OH YEAH!

It's in the lame sleeve type CD case though, not a cool one like all the others now of being plastic. It's the old, Cardboard Box type style with a somewhat sturdy paper sleeve for the CD.

Goddamnit I WANT TO PLAY IT NOW!!! STOP TORMENTING ME BOX. It's whispering in my ear! ARRRGH!!!!!

Ravashak

07-26-2010, 03:14 PM

My guess is CET for Europe, and whatever timezone they use at Blizz HQ (west coast iirc) for the Americas (and Korean time for Asia). That's assuming they don't start battle.net 2.0 at, say, 4 AM their time, just to mock you xP

Waiting a bit myself, though I'll probably get it somewhere in August.

Drownball-Champ

07-26-2010, 03:33 PM

I plan on picking it up eventually. Played the beta for a while and that got me into it, so probably once i get a job unless i break down and use school money again.

Also you misspelled zergling.

Magic_Marker

07-26-2010, 04:03 PM

Well, shit.

There goes my job, grades and sense of purpose.

Azisien

07-26-2010, 04:06 PM

So I'm really excited that this game comes out tonight because I've had the box since last Thursday and I grabbed the Limited Edition Strategy Guide too because it looked sick and I'm basically this game's dirty, nasty whore.

Hey good news my PC is still broken too! Fuck yea!!! Can't wait to NOT play this game AT ALL because OCZ won't send me my fucking hard drives back!

*pants uneasily*

Magic_Marker

07-26-2010, 04:08 PM

*pants uneasily*

?

http://www.geekalerts.com/u/keyboard-pants.jpg

Azisien

07-26-2010, 04:31 PM

Those are sweet pants bro!! Man, Google Images just cannot handle the search terms "panting uneasily."

I did buy a brand new mousepad too, and it just arrived this morning. It is HUGE, and awesome.

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/starcraft2_qck_rev1a-nuke2.jpg

Revising Ocelot

07-26-2010, 05:21 PM

I decided not to get it on launch day... because my birthday's in 6 days anyway. I can wait.

Barely.

EVILNess

07-26-2010, 06:24 PM

I really don't give two shits about the multiplayer. It's not like I can LAN it with my buddies.

What I really want is the SINGLE PLAYER. I have been waiting 13 years to find out what happens to Kerrigan.

And then I realized that this is only the first game and we are looking at two expansions, so I probably am gonna have to wait another year for any kinda closure.

And then I DOUBLE realized I probably ain't gonna get that and they are gonna pull another cliff hanger that leads into a MMO and I am gonna have to wait through two expansions to find out what the fuck happens to the main villain.

Kim

07-26-2010, 06:35 PM

I want to play it, but my processor isn't up to snuff according to their specs. My video card is. My ram is. Not my processor.

T_T

Arcanum

07-26-2010, 06:43 PM

I'm soo pumped for this game. Amazon should be shipping it to my doorstep for tomorrow morning so long as they aren't dirty whores. Although even then my desktop got fried in a power surge last week and has yet to be replaced, so I'm gonna be stuck playing this on my laptop that could barely run the beta on the lowest settings. Like it worked and everything but whenever anything happened on screen other than units idling the game slowed down considerably. Curse you lightning!!!

Azisien

07-26-2010, 06:58 PM

Even on the lowest settings? It's a pretty forgiving game, I thought, it plays smooth (or the beta did) on my old PC.

And multiplayer is important! NPF tournament!

01d55

07-26-2010, 07:06 PM

I want to play it, but my processor isn't up to snuff according to their specs. My video card is. My ram is. Not my processor.

T_T

Get one of these "guest passes" and try it out. Most likely you'll suffer nothing more than a warning when you install and frame rate drops in high food battles.

Kim

07-26-2010, 07:06 PM

Even on the lowest settings? It's a pretty forgiving game, I thought, it plays smooth (or the beta did) on my old PC.

They say minimum is 2.4. Mine is two. I dunno. If a friend gets it I might see if it'll run on my compy.

Get one of these "guest passes" and try it out. Most likely you'll suffer nothing more than a warning when you install and frame rate drops in high food battles.

There are guest passes? I might try that.

Azisien

07-26-2010, 07:11 PM

There are guest passes? I might try that.

You get two guest passes with the retail box. I can spare one, message me later on tonight if you're around and I'll find the code.

Note: Not sure what the restrictions on the guest pass are, mind you. Does anyone even know what it lets you DO? Demo the campaign? Demo the multiplayer? With or without friends only? No clue.

Yrcrazypa

07-26-2010, 07:19 PM

I decided not to get it on launch day... because my birthday's in 6 days anyway. I can wait.

Barely.

I decided not to get it on launch day because waiting a week and getting it for fifteen dollars less is an awesome idea.

Azisien

07-26-2010, 07:34 PM

I decided not to get it on launch day because waiting a week and getting it for fifteen dollars less is an awesome idea.

Funny story (not really), Logicbuy.com was preordering for 44.99! I had already taken my box home and opened it by then, but ah well, I only pay a little over fifty myself.

Arcanum

07-27-2010, 12:52 AM

Even on the lowest settings? It's a pretty forgiving game, I thought, it plays smooth (or the beta did) on my old PC.

And multiplayer is important! NPF tournament!

My laptop was pretty cheap, and while it has a great processor the video card is severely lacking, which causes some slowdown whenever anything graphically intense happens. The game was completely playable, but it was a huge step down from running it with near max settings on my desktop PC.

Amake

07-27-2010, 01:50 AM

I decided while reading this thread to wait until I can get the whole package for no more than 30 bucks. So, maybe three years?

01d55

07-27-2010, 02:53 AM

There are guest passes? I might try that.

Everyone who buys a box gets two 7 hour passes and two WoW free trials.

Kim

07-27-2010, 03:11 AM

7 hours is pretty stingy especially if you have to install the whole thing

Yumil hooked me up with one. Apparently it only counts game time towards the seven hours. Still stingy, just marginally less so.

krogothwolf

07-27-2010, 09:36 AM

The game is fun, for the 2 seconds I played the campaign before a storm knocked out our power.

I am so pissed right now, it was taunting me all day yesterday now I have to wait to get home before playing again! ARRRRRRRRGH!!!

Azisien

07-27-2010, 10:24 AM

So I was pretty mad last night about my hard drives, but apparently I'll get one of the two back tomorrow and since they can't replace my exact model they are giving me the next model up, which has triple the write speed. Now I have the strength to wait!

Arcanum

07-27-2010, 10:54 AM

Right so Amazon.ca is full of dirty whores who can't even ship a game the day before it releases. Gonna be stuck without StarCraft until tomorrow, maybe longer if they still don't ship it today, in which case I will hunt down every Amazon shipping center in Canada and personally fuck their shit up.

In case you haven't realized I really really like StarCraft.

DarkDrgon

07-27-2010, 05:54 PM

I like what I see so far. as a huge 'toss player, its hard to pick the missions where I have to fight them. I feel like raynor shouldn't be doing that

Kim

07-27-2010, 05:55 PM

Framerate isn't as good as I'd like, but at the lowest settings it'll run mostly fine. Gonna take a break, come back to the game in a bit, and I'll share my thoughts with you all then.

Arcanum

07-27-2010, 08:05 PM

So my friend gave me one of his guest passes so that I wouldn't go insane until my copy arrives, and I'm loving the game so far, despite the massive drops in frame rate whenever there's extensive fighting with more than 10 units (it gets even worse after 20), and I'm forced to watch any in-game cinematic things (those little clips at the end of missions where your troops are extracting or whatever) in frame-by-frame because that's how bad it slows down on my laptop.

And I agree with you about the toss DarkDrgon, and especially after everything Raynor's been through with Fenix and Tassadar, it doesn't feel like he would just start murdering sacred protoss protectors just for a quick buck.

But yeah, I like how they did the interaction with people and things on the Hyperion, and I absolutely love the news broadcasts and the songs on the jukebox. Both are full of win.

Edit -- Holy awesome sauce guest appearance by Nova! I just had a fangasm.

Kim

07-28-2010, 01:09 AM

I'm loving the research points thing and the between mission upgrades. This is probably the biggest improvement over the previous game.

Mannix

07-28-2010, 09:20 AM

I'm loving the research points thing and the between mission upgrades. This is probably the biggest improvement over the previous game.

I disagree. The biggest improvement is the ability to select difficulty during the single player campaign. Now I can play the game without cheating.

Azisien

07-28-2010, 09:43 AM

Being able to select more than 12 units is totally the biggest improvement, but these are all great improvements. :p

Kim

07-28-2010, 11:56 AM

I lied. The biggest improvement is that iPistol ad that played in the background.

Arcanum

07-28-2010, 12:58 PM

I lied. The biggest improvement is that iPistol ad that played in the background.

Agreed. Though the fact that there are lots of units in the SP that won't be available in the MP to preserve MP's balance is also a big improvement.

batgirl

07-28-2010, 07:30 PM

You know what's awesome? 40 marines bearing down on a Zerg base...Zergling rush indeed!

Mannix

07-28-2010, 07:31 PM

I really have to hand it to Blizzard; I thought they were going to have a really hard time making a game as great as Starcraft better. I was very wrong.

Edit: Though, it did take them 10 years. Does that count as hard?

Double Edit: I'm really super glad they waited until the 27th of July to release; that's the week after summer vacation starts in Korea and if they had released it when class was in session pretty much all of my male students would have been gone, even if their butts were in their chairs.

Yrcrazypa

07-28-2010, 08:58 PM

I've played a good 6-7 hours now, but I'm still not sure which I prefer. Though even that is a good thing, if you ask me. And I haven't touched multiplayer yet, just the campaign.

krogothwolf

07-28-2010, 09:22 PM

God I love this game! It's lots of fun. Campaign is pretty decent though so it's all good.

Mannix

07-28-2010, 11:38 PM

After a day and a half of power gaming I'm through the single player campaign. Really good stuff and the next installment can't come out fast enough.

I'm not sure how much I like the recent Blizzard trend of good guys and bad guys from an established series teaming up against a Bigger Threat. To me it reeks of them not wanting to upset fans of either side by giving the other side the upper hand. Though I feel like it was done better here than in Warcraft.

01d55

07-29-2010, 02:36 AM

And I agree with you about the toss DarkDrgon, and especially after everything Raynor's been through with Fenix and Tassadar, it doesn't feel like he would just start murdering sacred protoss protectors just for a quick buck.
Finish the colonist missions. Also, the last artifact mission shows that the Teldarim still imprison Dark Templar. It might have been because the DTs knew from Zeratul that Raynor had legitimate need for the things.

I'm kind of iffy on the ending. The Xel'Naga artifact doing exactly what Mensk Jr. promised it would. It just feels like it would make more sense if Kerrigan couldn't just snap back to her old ethical self after being History's Greatest Monster for more than four years. Based on the fact that the next campaign is the Zerg campaign that might turn out to be the case but no character in Wings of Liberty doubts for a minute that if the thing works at all, Kerrigan will be totally fine.

Mannix

07-29-2010, 04:17 AM

Finish the colonist missions. Also, the last artifact mission shows that the Teldarim still imprison Dark Templar. It might have been because the DTs knew from Zeratul that Raynor had legitimate need for the things.

I'm kind of iffy on the ending. The Xel'Naga artifact doing exactly what Mensk Jr. promised it would. It just feels like it would make more sense if Kerrigan couldn't just snap back to her old ethical self after being History's Greatest Monster for more than four years. Based on the fact that the next campaign is the Zerg campaign that might turn out to be the case but no character in Wings of Liberty doubts for a minute that if the thing works at all, Kerrigan will be totally fine.

I know, I kept expecting some kind of double cross involving Mingsk Jr. being under the control of the Xel'Naga.

Arcanum

07-29-2010, 10:15 AM

Finish the colonist missions. Also, the last artifact mission shows that the Teldarim still imprison Dark Templar. It might have been because the DTs knew from Zeratul that Raynor had legitimate need for the things.

Yeah, I just finished the last artefact mission and it's pretty clear that the Tel'Darim are a bunch of nutjobs, even by protoss standards. Makes me feel better about killing them.

Also, did anyone else find the final Ihan Crystal mission completely balls to the walls awesome? Maybe it's just because I'm naturally a defensive player, or it might be the sheer awesomeness of all the protoss banding together, and having all those heroes at your disposal. Regardless, that's been one of my favorite missions so far.

Mannix

07-29-2010, 10:29 AM

Yeah, I just finished the last artefact mission and it's pretty clear that the Tel'Darim are a bunch of nutjobs, even by protoss standards. Makes me feel better about killing them.

Also, did anyone else find the final Ihan Crystal mission completely balls to the walls awesome? Maybe it's just because I'm naturally a defensive player, or it might be the sheer awesomeness of all the protoss banding together, and having all those heroes at your disposal. Regardless, that's been one of my favorite missions so far.

Yeah, I was really impressed with the variety of mission styles and play mechanics they worked in. It really kept it from getting stale and really helped the narrative along.

Arcanum

07-29-2010, 05:24 PM

Right so i just beat the game, and I just found out about the secret mission you unlock in the Media Blitz mission. I also found out that going back into the archives to try and unlock the mission won't let you play it if you've beaten the game. Now I'm gonna have to start a new campaign in order to play it. Goddammit Blizzard.

krogothwolf

07-29-2010, 09:58 PM

Torque

07-29-2010, 10:38 PM

So I'm going to completely fuck up this thread (sorry) by asking (since it's SORTA been brought up already) if there's any (again, really sorry) difference between a Dual Core 2.4GHz Processor (which is in their "recommended hardware specs) and my Intel Core Duo2 2.5GHz Processor....
My video card, an ATI Radeon 5450 is theoretically within range of their recommended specs, as is my 4GB of memory, but I have the graphics cranked RIGHT down, till it looks like poop, and I'm still getting some serious frame rate reductions when there's a lot of shit going on. So I can only assume that maybe my processor isn't pulling it's weight?
Any hardcore techies out there wanna help a player groove?

Or maybe my video card isn't working right? Bah! I hate new computers!

edit: I know it's probably asking a lot, but thanks anyways :D
Also, is anyone else as psyched for the Zerg drop as me? eh? bitchesamirite?

Azisien

07-29-2010, 11:23 PM

01d55

07-30-2010, 12:53 AM

The upgrading/researching between battles is fun, adds a new element to game for fun units. I do wonder why the only have a few units being able to move and fire at the same time. It's really dull to see units line up and pound on each other.

One of the most basic "micro" tricks in the game is alternating move and stop commands to scoot 'n shoot. You use it against short range/melee units and to improve firing participation when your ranged army gets big. FWM on all units would eliminate that gameplay and make zealots total crap against terran.

The mission that gave me slowdown was the last crystal mission. Interceptors!

krogothwolf

07-30-2010, 01:41 AM

Yes well, it bugs me that Blizzard seems to think most units need to stop to shoot. Even with scoot'n'shoot it's just silly to have to do that. I like being able to do maneuvers while shooting its fun.

Stupid close combat units making them have to have that stupid programing.

Torque

07-30-2010, 04:17 PM

Your specs seem pretty okay Torque, and your processor does indeed have 2 cores. The only thing that immediately comes to mind is to make sure you have the latest ATI video drivers for your card.

If it's any consolation, my buddy has experienced occasional slowdown in singleplayer on his $3000 PC.

Hmm... but I'm having slow down on the absolute LOWEST settings :S
It's not even like I'm cranking the glitz to overkill and having a few frames drop off per second... I'm on Low for everything, and I definately have the latest ATI drivers... Damn... I have a conundrum on m'hands.

CABAL49

07-31-2010, 02:18 PM

A siege tank being unable to run over a tiny zergling kinda annoys me. I thought the campaign was pretty eh, but that mind be because of all the consecutive hours of playing.

Torque

07-31-2010, 05:52 PM

I am without a doubt 100% FURIOUS that they disabled the ability to unally your team mates... I just sat through a 3v5c game for the SOLE purpose of kicking the shit out of my teammates, and what do I see? I can't disable their ally status!! :S
Bah, there goes the fun right out of online... back to SC1 I go I guess.

Arcanum

07-31-2010, 06:32 PM

A siege tank being unable to run over a tiny zergling kinda annoys me. I thought the campaign was pretty eh, but that mind be because of all the consecutive hours of playing.

Well I'm sure zerglings are agile enough to dodge tank treads, but it would be pretty neat to see zerglings go pop as your siege tanks keep trucking forward.

I am without a doubt 100% FURIOUS that they disabled the ability to unally your team mates... I just sat through a 3v5c game for the SOLE purpose of kicking the shit out of my teammates, and what do I see? I can't disable their ally status!! :S
Bah, there goes the fun right out of online... back to SC1 I go I guess.

It's an option that can be toggled, where alliances are fixed or not. Basically it's there to prevent people from doing what you had in mind :P.

Also, might as well start adding you folk to my friend list so that we might play some time. My character name is HyperionMBD (after the Greek titan, not Raynor's battlecruiser) and my character code is 792.

Torque

07-31-2010, 10:26 PM

It's an option that can be toggled, where alliances are fixed or not. Basically it's there to prevent people from doing what you had in mind :P.

Pfft.... Blizzard has no right to take away my right to be a complete fucktard. I paid for their vidjamagame and I have every right to be as much or as little of a dick as I so please, so long as I abide by their EUL, which so far as *I* could tell said nothing about being a total dink.

Loyal

08-01-2010, 08:57 AM

Warcraft 3, with its items and heroes, makes for more entertaining backstabbity jackassery.

krogothwolf

08-01-2010, 10:02 AM

Ah, I remember those joys, moving a force in to "assist" in the protection of your teammates then destroy their base after the battle.

CABAL49

08-01-2010, 10:55 PM

Well I'm sure zerglings are agile enough to dodge tank treads, but it would be pretty neat to see zerglings go pop as your siege tanks keep trucking forward.

Yeah, but it is like the tank driver is like, "Oh let me stop and try to drive around these little dudes who are trying to claw their way into my heavily armored vehicle and eat me."

Azisien

08-01-2010, 11:31 PM

He probably is like that. You ever try to pick a 'ling femur out of tank treads? Fucking nightmare man, I'd drive around too.

Loyal

08-01-2010, 11:56 PM

Well, a speeding truck hit a Zergling in the first game and, while it was dead, the body was still intact. You could probably crush a zergling, maybe two, with a siege tank if you tried, but it'd probably take a fair bit of effort and leave you quite vulnerable in the process.

Azisien

08-02-2010, 12:11 AM

Goliath online!

And by goliath I mean my PC. So I'm on SC2 finally.

BNet user: Azisien
code: 853

add meh!

01d55

08-02-2010, 12:32 AM

Goliath online!

And by goliath I mean my PC. So I'm on SC2 finally.

Weren't you supposed to be reviewing it for the Dojo? Not getting it running for a while sounds like it might put a crimp in that.

Azisien

08-02-2010, 01:15 AM

Huge crimp, no doubt.

Torque

08-02-2010, 10:19 PM

Ah, I remember those joys, moving a force in to "assist" in the protection of your teammates then destroy their base after the battle.

For me there were two methods.
Method 1: 5v3c battle with a friend planted as a random person in the game. I would immediately open with a lurker rush into a teammates base, chosen based on their defenses at the time, effectively eliminating him from the game in the first 5 or so minutes.
The other three would obviously unally me, except for my" plant" which would inform me secretly about what the other two are doing. I would mass hydras and defilers for assault, and defilers and lurkers as defense. 12 hydras with defilers as support would guard against any air assault.
Once the three massed for the assault against me, my "planted teammate" would switch alliances at the last second during the assault, and we would effectively trap the other two in the crossfire, eliminating their assault forces, allowing me to drop my main attack forces into one base, and allowing my teammate to take out the other player, OR if one of the "enemy" was zerg, I would nydus underneath their OL's, since everyone ALWAYS groups them together above their creep like morons. lol

Method 2: was a 3v5c game in which I alone would take out my 2 teammates, usually in the end game, while mopping up the last computers. I would take out whichever teammate was closest with a lurker/hydra drop, OR I would always go for the nydus drop onto a zerg player to eliminate them easily.
Again, always with a massed hydra/defiler assault force, with hydras, lurkers, and defilers for defense. Worked probably 95% of the time.
The most fun was always had when the teammate who was not taken by surprise actually puts up a really good fight.

edit: I have no F-ing idea how battle.net works now these days, but Jaxm, character code 551 is the character name I currently use on SC2, and me real id name is Lawrence Rosdobutko, so whoever wants to add me up, be my guest.

Arcanum

08-02-2010, 11:59 PM

Well the way it works now, if you manually enter a friend you either put in the email they use to sign in to battle.net to add them as a real ID friend (where you can see them across all real ID supported games, which I think is only SC2 and WoW so far) or you can add them as a character name by putting in their character name and their character number. Or you can just right-click somebody's name wherever you see it and select "add as friend" to add them as a character friend.

Torque

08-03-2010, 12:17 AM

whatever happened to the old battle.net where you could enter like.... starcraft usa-X and chat, and whatnot... back in the day if you lost a game with people who weren't "friends" you all just meet up in a chat room, and retry.. that was great.. sorry i didn't msg you, man. I wasn't ignoring you, just couldn't figure out how to msg you back. I'll try later, now it is time for the old bed.

Arcanum

08-03-2010, 01:36 AM

Haha no problem. And yeah I miss the chatrooms too, although I heard somewhere that they plan on patching them in, but I don't remember where (I might have imagined it). But there's also the thing where if you finish a game, and click on Multiplayer then Join Custom Game right away, instead of a Join Game button there's a Text button in the same place, but clicking it makes you unable to join any games until you log out then log back in, and that's all it does. So yeah, the button is there, just not the feature.

Oh and just so ya know, if you're in a game and someone sends you a private chat message, you can hit enter then tab to reply (this also works to switch to party chat, or to send to everyone in the game, instead of pressing Shift+enter).

01d55

08-03-2010, 06:03 AM

You can also start a reply with /r

Also, once a chat is started, you can click on an arrow to the right of the chat window and get access to some features - you can right-click the portrait for the invite/ignore/ect menu, and you can invite other players to expand a 2 person conversation into an invite-only chatroom.

Revising Ocelot

08-03-2010, 07:18 AM

So yeah, bday was yesterday, got the game. Funny how that works?

Anyone else that plays in the EU region? I'd like to commit Starcraft Suicide via lack of skill against someone, also known as "practise".

CABAL49

08-03-2010, 01:02 PM

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q) has made me scared to play any non-custom matches.

Azisien

08-03-2010, 05:56 PM

I thought battlenet was region coded for SC2, can North America or Europe even connect to Korea?

Edit: And if that's not the case, then I have no idea where I heard it was.

Ravashak

08-03-2010, 06:38 PM

Everything's linked to the cd key you put on your b.net account. If you have a Korean one, you can play there, no matter where you're located.

Terex4

08-03-2010, 07:04 PM

For me there were two methods.
Method 1: 5v3c battle with a friend planted as a random person in the game. I would immediately open with a lurker rush into a teammates base, chosen based on their defenses at the time, effectively eliminating him from the game in the first 5 or so minutes.
The other three would obviously unally me, except for my" plant" which would inform me secretly about what the other two are doing. I would mass hydras and defilers for assault, and defilers and lurkers as defense. 12 hydras with defilers as support would guard against any air assault.
Once the three massed for the assault against me, my "planted teammate" would switch alliances at the last second during the assault, and we would effectively trap the other two in the crossfire, eliminating their assault forces, allowing me to drop my main attack forces into one base, and allowing my teammate to take out the other player, OR if one of the "enemy" was zerg, I would nydus underneath their OL's, since everyone ALWAYS groups them together above their creep like morons. lol

Method 2: was a 3v5c game in which I alone would take out my 2 teammates, usually in the end game, while mopping up the last computers. I would take out whichever teammate was closest with a lurker/hydra drop, OR I would always go for the nydus drop onto a zerg player to eliminate them easily.
Again, always with a massed hydra/defiler assault force, with hydras, lurkers, and defilers for defense. Worked probably 95% of the time.
The most fun was always had when the teammate who was not taken by surprise actually puts up a really good fight.

edit: I have no F-ing idea how battle.net works now these days, but Jaxm, character code 551 is the character name I currently use on SC2, and me real id name is Lawrence Rosdobutko, so whoever wants to add me up, be my guest.
I don't know how you can be unprepared for betrayal. If you've played on Bnet for longer than a week you should know better than to not have a small force in reserve for the inevitable attempt at backstabbery.

I fondly remember a protoss player trying it on me with a fleet of carriers. Scourge are so underrated.

Torque

08-04-2010, 08:18 PM

Oh and just so ya know, if you're in a game and someone sends you a private chat message, you can hit enter then tab to reply (this also works to switch to party chat, or to send to everyone in the game, instead of pressing Shift+enter).

Yeah, I did the 5 year old thing, and just jumped right into the game without even reading the manual that came with it. lol
will prolly do that some time.

I don't know how you can be unprepared for betrayal. If you've played on Bnet for longer than a week you should know better than to not have a small force in reserve for the inevitable attempt at backstabbery.

I fondly remember a protoss player trying it on me with a fleet of carriers. Scourge are so underrated.

Dunno what to tell you, but I only very rarely lost a game in which I initiated a backstab. Primarily because hydra's pretty much dominated everything. And with dark swarm to cover them with, and plague to take out massive amounts of damage (only 75 per casting, but think of how many targets you can nail) from the defilers, even if they WERE prepared there was no stopping me. I think each loss I took was generally from a mistake made on my part... Either forgetting to hotkey my defilers and losing them in the battle, or not upgrading or some other noob mistake.

Arcanum

08-04-2010, 08:35 PM

Yeah, I did the 5 year old thing, and just jumped right into the game without even reading the manual that came with it. lol
will prolly do that some time.

There's a manual? I just fiddled with things, and hovered my mouse over things accidentally, thus causing hints to pop up.

Torque

08-04-2010, 08:37 PM

There's a manual? I just fiddled with things, and hovered my mouse over things accidentally, thus causing hints to pop up.

That's how I roll... I just assumed the paperwork that game with the game was a manual of sorts. I dunno... I didn't look at it. lol
Gonna attempt to add you to b.net now.

CABAL49

08-04-2010, 08:43 PM

That's how I roll... I just assumed the paperwork that game with the game was a manual of sorts. I dunno... I didn't look at it. lol
Gonna attempt to add you to b.net now.

It wasn't. It was just an overview of everything that happened in SC1 and Brood Wars. The actual manual is on the disk, but I haven't looked at it. I just did the campaign. Good enough tutorial for me.

Yrcrazypa

08-04-2010, 09:55 PM

I just won a 1v1 in the most hilarious way possible. I snuck an SCV into the opponents expansion, and built a Barracks. Then I trained 6 marines and won the match. I mean, the guy was retarded, but it was still a hilarious win.

CABAL49

08-04-2010, 11:46 PM

Arcanum

08-04-2010, 11:59 PM

Dude, in my sleep deprived state I have made much worse mistakes. 200 SCVs kinda mistake.

Did you win?

Azisien

08-05-2010, 12:18 AM

Dude, in my sleep deprived state I have made much worse mistakes. 200 SCVs kinda mistake.

Mistake? I did that once in 4v4, with insane expansion speeds. I just traded all my minerals and gas to allies! (We lost).

Arcanum

08-05-2010, 01:01 AM

Right so I think since I started playing SC2 multiplayer, I've played about 10 actual matches, and the rest of my time has been spent on custom games (i.e. modded/user-made maps). And that's why I love Blizzard.

Azisien

08-05-2010, 03:38 AM

Oh, I should take this moment to pimp the awesome g-mail account I made for storing SC2 replays.

If any of you have any awesome replays I'd love to watch them, just send the replay file to AzisienSCReplays@gmail.com.

CABAL49

08-05-2010, 04:51 PM

Did you win?

I don't think so, but I fell asleep so I can't say for sure.

DFM

08-06-2010, 08:21 PM

Okay so I beat the campaign and maybe I missed something obvious in the storyline because I don't usually question movie logic or whatever you want to call it but these two things have been really bugging me since they happened and they have not stopped.

The first is when they collect all the pieces and are floating out there by themselves and holy shit it's a trap here comes a bunch of Dominion ships right on top of them. That's pretty cool, I'm with you Starcraft II. Then Jim's all "I'm going to ram their flagship and board it in an act of desperation and I'm going to bust their shit in and kill Mengsk before I go down." Sweet I'm on the edge of my seat. Jim and Tychus (It was Tychus right?) fight their way through I guess everyone inside the flagship of the Dominion fleet on their own and it's like alright two main characters taking on an army of faceless troopers I'm okay with this. Then it turns out the captain isn't Mengsk at all but his son, who has been behind all of this. Alright, giving me a plot twist Starcraft II I like the cut of your jib. Turns out he wasn't there to kill them at all he was there to offer him a deal.

Wait what?

He didn't say anything earlier? Like when they first warped in? Or when Jim was running through his ship killing his dudes? He just decided to stand around his room with his back to the door waiting for Jim to pop in and go "Yo here I am in your ship is there anything you want to talk about before I shoot you in the head Mengsk/Son of Mengsk?" What? What the fuck was he doing all that time? Maybe he really did want to just kill Jim and made up the shit about a deal when he was going to get capped but why weren't the rest of the ships all shooting at the Hyperion and why would he involve the Queen of Blades at all? Wouldn't killing Jim right there be enough to show he can one up his old man? Would that make the whole deal with the Zerg and the Queen of Blades a backup plan? What the fuck kind of backup plan takes fifty times more preperation and setup than the primary plan?

That whole scene makes no sense.

The second thing is Tychus. Just Tychus, all of him, everything about him is stupid and doesn't make sense. Okay, he gets released from prison by Mengsk on a mysterious condition that is obviously about him killing Jim or bringing down his organization or something like that. Everything in the game hamfistedly hints at it in the most annoying way possible, all hte lines about him struggling over something he doesn't want to do, getting increasinly agitated with everyone as the story goes on, etc etc until the big moment comes and whoop plot twist he was really hear to kill Kerrigan all along!

What the fuck.

What the fuck is that.

The Zerg weren't even attacking anything when Tychus was released, why the fuck would Megnsk of all people be worrying about them? Even if he had rumors or abnormal science reports or some shit that hinted they'd start making a resurgence, what the fuck kind of plan is releasing some random fucker from prison and being like "HEY IF YOU HAPPEN TO RUN INTO THE ZERG AND THE QUEEN OF BLADES, KILL HER. THAT IS ALL. YOU'RE FREE TO GO OTHER THAN THAT."

I mean MAYBE he was originally released to kill Jim but then like halfway through his orders were changed because Mengsk thought Kerrigan was a bigger threat but then why the fuck would he still be all conflicted and angry? He should have been having a grand ole' fucking time because he suddenly didn't have to kill his best friend or ruin his life's work anymore he just had to kill a horrible monster who is friend had a schoolgirl crush on back when it was a person. Yeah you could say that Jim obviously still has FEELINGS for that awful monster so Tychus is upset at having to upset his friend but man look at Tychus does he really seem like he'd give a fuck that Jim isn't over that abomination? He never even MET her when she was a human, he's got no personal attachement to this at all.

Plus the end is really, really stupid. "Oh she's better now everyone knows she's better now and is worth killing my oldest friend for right right not doing any talking about this with anyone or anything right?"

I don't know maybe Duran hired Tychus to kill her because she's the Chosen One or some shit what the fuck ever this story stopped making any sense the moment Prince Whatsit warped in.

Also laughed at Jim's dramatic "Sometimes, Kerrigan... I think... I think it would have been better if you'd died that day."

Holy shit Jim, really?

01d55

08-06-2010, 09:46 PM

He didn't say anything earlier? Like when they first warped in? Or when Jim was running through his ship killing his dudes? He just decided to stand around his room with his back to the door waiting for Jim to pop in and go "Yo here I am in your ship is there anything you want to talk about before I shoot you in the head Mengsk/Son of Mengsk?" What? What the fuck was he doing all that time? Maybe he really did want to just kill Jim and made up the shit about a deal when he was going to get capped but why weren't the rest of the ships all shooting at the Hyperion and why would he involve the Queen of Blades at all? Wouldn't killing Jim right there be enough to show he can one up his old man? Would that make the whole deal with the Zerg and the Queen of Blades a backup plan? What the fuck kind of backup plan takes fifty times more preperation and setup than the primary plan?

I probably would have been thinking this but then Mengsk Jr. says this line: "I own the Moebius corporation. And through them... I own you" and I was like HOLY SHIT this punk-ass kid is so full of himself I cannot be surprised by any stupid ass arrogant shit he pulls in the future.

The Zerg weren't even attacking anything when Tychus was released, why the fuck would Megnsk of all people be worrying about them? Even if he had rumors or abnormal science reports or some shit that hinted they'd start making a resurgence, what the fuck kind of plan is releasing some random fucker from prison and being like "HEY IF YOU HAPPEN TO RUN INTO THE ZERG AND THE QUEEN OF BLADES, KILL HER. THAT IS ALL. YOU'RE FREE TO GO OTHER THAN THAT."

Okay man I'm reaching here but the hidden mission (blow up a science facility in the lower right corner of the media broadcast mission) suggests that Mengsk Sr. is tied up with whatever ~*dark force*~ set up the Zerg and Hybrid, and if Zeratul can prophesize that Raynor's gonna hold Kerrigan's fate in his hands then so can they.

I mean MAYBE he was originally released to kill Jim but then like halfway through his orders were changed because Mengsk thought Kerrigan was a bigger threat but then why the fuck would he still be all conflicted and angry? He should have been having a grand ole' fucking time because he suddenly didn't have to kill his best friend or ruin his life's work anymore he just had to kill a horrible monster who is friend had a schoolgirl crush on back when it was a person. Yeah you could say that Jim obviously still has FEELINGS for that awful monster so Tychus is upset at having to upset his friend but man look at Tychus does he really seem like he'd give a fuck that Jim isn't over that abomination? He never even MET her when she was a human, he's got no personal attachement to this at all.

I'm pretty sure Tychus knew at that point what was going to happen despite his earlier efforts to convince Jim to kill her, and went through with it because hell, why not? Mengsk had an "Induce major organ failure" button on him and maybe he figured getting shot in the face was a less awful way to go.

Plus the end is really, really stupid. "Oh she's better now everyone knows she's better now and is worth killing my oldest friend for right right not doing any talking about this with anyone or anything right?"

Yeah I was like "Wait, you playing this like everything Prince Punk-Ass said was golden and he isn't at all rolling humanity towards an epic comeuppance that screws over everyone? Even though we all know that the Zerg are about to get their campaign started? Really? Okay then."

DFM

08-06-2010, 10:17 PM

I probably would have been thinking this but then Mengsk Jr. says this line: "I own the Moebius corporation. And through them... I own you" and I was like HOLY SHIT this punk-ass kid is so full of himself I cannot be surprised by any stupid ass arrogant shit he pulls in the future.

Maybe it's just me but like his entire plan hinges on Jim even wanting to save Kerrigan and I will grant you if anyone in the glaxay wanted to save her it'd be him but WERE I Prince Whatsit I would not put any eggs in the basket of anyone not wanting her dead.

Okay man I'm reaching here but the hidden mission (blow up a science facility in the lower right corner of the media broadcast mission) suggests that Mengsk Sr. is tied up with whatever ~*dark force*~ set up the Zerg and Hybrid, and if Zeratul can prophesize that Raynor's gonna hold Kerrigan's fate in his hands then so can they.

I didn't play any bonus mission but if Mengsk is all dark prophet overlord and knew ahead of time what everyone everywhere was going to do and that that exact situation with Jim, Kerrigan, Tychus and a handful of his own soldiers was going to play out then I still can't see pulling Tychus out of jail over just slipping a bomb in someone's armor. If it was more vague like "At some point in the future Tychus will be in a position to kill Kerrigan, future savior of the galaxy from the Xel'Naga masters" then you know I think he would still be slippin' a bomb in his armor.

I'm pretty sure Tychus knew at that point what was going to happen despite his earlier efforts to convince Jim to kill her, and went through with it because hell, why not? Mengsk had an "Induce major organ failure" button on him and maybe he figured getting shot in the face was a less awful way to go.

I know Tychus isn't really much for talkin' but I still think he's be like "Hey Jim you are a giant sack of turds for saving her and me and everyone else here, we're going to fix your mistake and believe me the Dominion boys are going to be more than happy to put you in the ground if you get in the way."

I mean yeah fire forged friends with Raynor or whatever but given the choice between siding with the dude who saved their asses on Char while he spares and nurtures the omnicidal maniac who was trying to kill them in the first place vs siding with their boss and anyone who doesn't want the zerg to overrun the galaxy I mean I think you would have some takers on the second one.

Or even more likely is him going the opposite way and just shooting a frag grenade at her the second her little hand is spotted sticking up out of the smoke before Jim has a chance to do anything.

01d55

08-06-2010, 11:13 PM

Maybe it's just me but like his entire plan hinges on Jim even wanting to save Kerrigan and I will grant you if anyone in the glaxay wanted to save her it'd be him but WERE I Prince Whatsit I would not put any eggs in the basket of anyone not wanting her dead. It's not just you, it's just you and anyone who isn't as amazingly overconfident as Prince Whatsit clearly is in everything he says and does. Like maybe you just can't believe anyone that arrogant could possibly exist but there he is! In fiction! So I guess that doesn't really prove anything.I didn't play any bonus mission but if Mengsk is all dark prophet overlord and knew ahead of time what everyone everywhere was going to do and that that exact situation with Jim, Kerrigan, Tychus and a handful of his own soldiers was going to play out then I still can't see pulling Tychus out of jail over just slipping a bomb in someone's armor.
Zeratul was hella vague and I'm pretty sure that wasn't just to be a dick about it, it stands to reason that whoever tipped Mengsk off on it didn't have anything more specific than Zeratul did.
So the only person Mengsk coulda planted a bomb on and had a reasonable basis to think would specifically be there when Raynor had Kerrigan's life in his hands is Tychus, but Number 2 did due diligence and found the kill switch, so he would have found a bomb if it'd been there, and ain't nobody going to let Tychus follow them around with a remote switch bomb in his armor.

Probably at that point Raynor shoulda asked about that killswitch instead of going BESTEST BUDS I OWE HIM LA LA LA but oh well, guess he musta figured it was Moebius.I know Tychus isn't really much for talkin' but I still think he's be like "Hey Jim you are a giant sack of turds for saving her and me and everyone else here, we're going to fix your mistake and believe me the Dominion boys are going to be more than happy to put you in the ground if you get in the way."

I mean yeah fire forged friends with Raynor or whatever but given the choice between siding with the dude who saved their asses on Char while he spares and nurtures the omnicidal maniac who was trying to kill them in the first place vs siding with their boss and anyone who doesn't want the zerg to overrun the galaxy I mean I think you would have some takers on the second one.
Alla the Dominion dudes at that particular scene were working for Princey who is not at all on team kill Kerrigan but is instead totally on board with the "Not her fault, infestation made her do it" theory and originator of the attendant "cure Kerrigan's infestation, be hailed as heroes" plan.

DFM

08-07-2010, 02:36 AM

Zeratul was hella vague and I'm pretty sure that wasn't just to be a dick about it, it stands to reason that whoever tipped Mengsk off on it didn't have anything more specific than Zeratul did.

So the only person Mengsk coulda planted a bomb on and had a reasonable basis to think would specifically be there when Raynor had Kerrigan's life in his hands is Tychus, but Number 2 did due diligence and found the kill switch, so he would have found a bomb if it'd been there, and ain't nobody going to let Tychus follow them around with a remote switch bomb in his armor.

I must have not played half this game because I don't remember anything about a killswitch either. Although one of the things that's been bugging me the whole game is how Raynor went from "It may not be tomorrow, Darlin', it may not even be with an army at my back, but one day... I'm gonna kill you." and not even being that close to her in the first game to "My widdle puddin pop havin a tantrum and messin' up some colonies yesh she is"

I mean character progression is fine and everything but I would think it'd swing the other way.

01d55

08-07-2010, 03:54 AM

You can in fact get to the end cutscene without playing half the missions and most of the dialog is tied up in going around the Hyperion clicking on dudes between missions, and while I did every mission and clicked EVERYONE between each round of actual gameplay like it was the most natural thing in the world, I can see how that might be weird of me and it's totally legitimate of you to be annoyed stuff doesn't make sense if you don't play completionist.

If I remember correctly it was either an artifact mission or a rebellion mission (categories established by achievements) if you click on Matt Horner afterwards, he says he did a "scan" of Tychus' armor and found out that it was sealed (so he couldn't get out) and wired to terminate all his vital organs at a remote signal.

In particular the series of Protoss missions you can play from the lab are 100% about driving home the point that if Kerrigan dies the whole universe is doomed because only she can stop the hybrids and whatever bad mojo dude is behind making the Zerg and the hybrids happen. While you don't necessarily have to play any of 'em you can't avoid the cutscene where Zeratul is like "THOUGH JUSTICE DEMANDS THAT SHE DIE FOR HER CRIMES WE DOOMED IF SHE DOES SO HOLD OFF MAN" which I thought was a neat bit of dramatic tension and I'm kind of bummed that Prince Arrogance makes it go away with a magic rock.

DFM

08-07-2010, 05:31 AM

I did like two of those missions and then I was like "Yeah thanks Starcraft II I spent the last two hours and four hundred thousand credits making my army god's gift to humanity so I could play as one Protoss dark jedi this sucks." And then I didn't play them anymore.

I think I clicked everybody/everything after all the missions I did, but I'm pretty sure I didn't do all the map screen missions since I seem to remember at least one of them disappearing on me, but I don't know if they actually do that so I could just have forgotten I did it.

Also I swear to god the troopers in the final cutscene are talking to each other as Raynor walks out all "So, we just gonna... Oh, she's good now? Really? Because I heard this shit before. Y'all remember Duke? Hey, Warfield, you ever hear of Edmund Duke? He was kind of a big deal. Sorta like you. Just sayin' you know you may have a vested interest in this Kerrigan thing."

Torque

08-09-2010, 06:29 PM

damn dudes, come on, like spoiler alerts or something!
Don't make me make my sad face at you, cuz I'll do it!

Yrcrazypa

08-09-2010, 06:59 PM

Fifthfiend

08-09-2010, 07:07 PM

Torque

08-09-2010, 08:11 PM

So apparently I was born to play Protoss. I can't ever do shit as a Terran player, but I've been basically single handedly winning team games as them, whether its through getting Void Rays as fast as possible, or getting DTs warp gated into their base by way of a Warp Prism. Either way, I typically destroy enough of their economy for the rest of my team to mop them up.

Pfft... I'll roach your ass right into next tuesday, right after my hydras mop up your void rays.
PS that rumbling you hear coming from underneath your feet? That is the sound of your doom

The thing about dumb plots that make no sense is it seems like it would be so much easier for someone to do a good plot that does make sense. Especially since you spare yourself the effort of spending the rest of your life trying to explain your dumb plot that made no sense, that you came up with for that game that twenty million people are gonna play and then expect you to explain.

Well butter my biscuits, when did they let you all back up ins?

DFM

08-09-2010, 11:53 PM

The thing about dumb plots that make no sense is it seems like it would be so much easier for someone to do a good plot that does make sense. Especially since you spare yourself the effort of spending the rest of your life trying to explain your dumb plot that made no sense, that you came up with for that game that twenty million people are gonna play and then expect you to explain.

Seriously I am like the most passive viewer ever if I stop and think about something not making sense in a plot while the plot is happening you have done something completely wrong.

Arcanum

08-10-2010, 01:15 AM

Pfft... I'll roach your ass right into next tuesday, right after my hydras mop up your void rays.
PS that rumbling you hear coming from underneath your feet? That is the sound of your doom

'Cept it won't matter once I warp some DTs into your base within like 5 minutes, thus making you ragequit like so many before you.

Also fifth's been back for a while now. Geez man, get with the times :P.

Azisien

08-10-2010, 01:23 AM

Wow the coolest thing about this thread is all the talk and no replays in my inbox about your actual e-peen size.

Tournament anyone? :D

DFM

08-10-2010, 02:22 AM

I played the original Starcraft online exactly once and it ended with me nuking myself so I think that's a pretty good track record.

Arcanum

08-10-2010, 03:10 AM

Hmm I might have some replays for you Aizen. I know I saved one where I made an epic comeback with a DT drop in a 2v2. But yeah, I don't usually save replays unless I have a "holy shit!" or a "can't believe I just did that!" moment.

Also, hell yes for a tournament. Though perhaps a new thread dedicated solely to a SC2 tournament might work better for grabbing people's attention.

Azisien

08-10-2010, 02:22 PM

I played the original Starcraft online exactly once and it ended with me nuking myself so I think that's a pretty good track record.

Hey man on my first 4v4 placement match my buddy built like 20 or so battlecruisers and I ended up nuking them, so it happens!

krogothwolf

08-10-2010, 02:50 PM

Hey man on my first 4v4 placement match my buddy built like 20 or so battlecruisers and I ended up nuking them, so it happens!

Pssha, I remember this one time, I nuked the hell out of my 2 friends, only to remember after nuking them we had Allied up, oh how silly that was.

DFM

08-10-2010, 03:49 PM

I'm telling them to stop but they're not listening!

Torque

08-10-2010, 07:32 PM

'Cept it won't matter once I warp some DTs into your base within like 5 minutes, thus making you ragequit like so many before you.

Also fifth's been back for a while now. Geez man, get with the times :P.

I pfft once more, as 5 minutes is more time than I need to get roaches, and the obligatory single spore crawler for vision.

Arcanum

08-11-2010, 12:26 AM

I pfft once more, as 5 minutes is more time than I need to get roaches, and the obligatory single spore crawler for vision.

I think you're one of the five people who know to put a detector up near their minerals, because nobody ever does.

01d55

08-11-2010, 12:46 AM

I've put my SC2 nick/code in the Nintendosoft Live Gamecodetags field which exists in all of our profiles specifically for the dissemination of information of this nature. I am ready for a challenge!

Torque

08-11-2010, 05:39 PM

I've put my SC2 nick/code in the Nintendosoft Live Gamecodetags field which exists in all of our profiles specifically for the dissemination of information of this nature. I am ready for a challenge!

......I refuse to acknowledge anything you just said until you start speaking in english, and also making sense!

Azisien

08-13-2010, 12:47 PM

Well I'm approaching the end of the campaign, and final exposition aside, I'm not really feeling the complaints lodged by DFM and so on. Maybe the slightly non-linear approach to the gameplay just gave me a different impression? Jimmy doesn't seem like he wants to save Kerrigan at all at first. He would regret having to kill her but clearly will for the greater good. He only changes his game when Zeratul comes in and tells him the entire universe is gonna go all Ice-9 if he doesn't save her.

Overall the story is pretty okay. I'm loving the upgrade system and everything. On the other hand, the missions are all over the board in quality for me. Some seem genuinely fun. The Gabriel Tosh mission where you kill stuff and two AIs go at it DOTA style was awesome. Contrast that to the three, four, maybe five missions now where they are nearly identical to missions from Starcraft. Not okay, Blizzard, not okay!