Terrible video games that you liked

[walkertexasdruid]

I know that there are not too many games that would fall into this catagory. I can, however, mention one game that I liked but was not a very good game. Gaurdian's Crusade: It was the first ever game I got for my PSOne, and my friends could best describe it as "trippy". Basically, you are this kid with an annoying farrie who acts as your conscience whenever you try to loot anything. You then come across this baby monster, and a holy bunny appears and tells you that you must take this little monster to the "Tower of God" in order to save the world. Throughout most of the game, you have no idea what is going on, and you get vague hints about where you are supposed to go next. Did I mention the psychic toys that act as your spells, and the fact that the enemies on the maps look like various sized tadpools before the fights begin. This game was basically an RPG for beginners, it had good graphics for its time, but I cannot say that it was a good game. Still, I beat it, enjoyed the madness, and I even helped my sister beat the game. A word of advice, if you make it to the final boss, do not take any kind of mind altering substances, there are just too many swirling colors and other chaotic elements that could potentially adversely affect your brain.

I have told you my terrible game that I liked, now are there any of you that have had similar experiances? I hope that I am not the only one. :ohdear:

[RobinStarwing]

I torture my brother and family with Fusion Frenzy 1. ^_^ Does that count?

Otherwise, I didn't think it was horrid> ChronoTrigger DS. Everyone else seems to think it was though.

[h4x.m4g3]

The Dynasty Warriors series, started around 3 or 4 and have been hooked since then. I know its a bad game, I know I sit around for hours doing the same 2 or 3 combos on weak couldn't hurt a fly mooks, before doing a slightly different combo on might be a challenge if it wasn't so ridiculously easy to dodge-counter generals. But man I can't quit that game.

This includes the dynasty warriors Gundam games, but those are kind of okay and not completely bad.

I remember really waving in and out of liking Pac Man the New Adventures on the SNES back in the day. I never beat the game, but I remember it being really fun when I stopped trying to figure out what the story was or how to beat the game, and just went around seeing what happens when Pac Man tries this when he's pissed off, what about when he's mopey and depressed? I don't think I ever saw all the interactions possible in that game (actually I know this because I never saw a 'you win' screen so I'm missing at least one). I mean actually trying to beat the game was terrible because then I was repeating the same actions I knew worked then getting stumped on what to do next till I died/turned off the game from boredom.

[Jagos]

Did you ever go through the tunnels?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Beyblade Super Tournament Battle for the GCN.

Even most beyblade fans and Beybladers hated the all holy hell out it. About a few years back I found this game in Game Stop for 2 - 3$. XD

Also the Megaman Starforce games with the exception of SF3 which was everything SF1 should have been.

Along with...

Megaman X4, X5, X6, X7, and X8.

Sonic 3D Blast (it had great potential, honest)

Sonic Riders 1 and 2 (Zero Gravity) I ain't touching Sonic Riders 3: Free Ride though.

and

Samurai Legend Musashi (would love to see a 3rd Musashi game get made someday)

[Nique]

I have hotly debated the mertis of Final Fantasy 8 many times. I realize that I am in a very small minority who found the gameplay appealing (as opposed to people (re: 13 year old asian girls) who mainly dug the love story).

No one I personally know seems to like Amplitude or Frequency either but those are actually legit games so I dunno wassup there.

[Kim]

The first Mother game. Excellent story. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL gameplay.

Snake's Revenge: Metal Gear 2. A huge improvement over the first NES Metal Gear, and it at least tried to differentiate itself from its predecessor.

[Julford Hajime]

Man, I thought I was the only one here who'd heard of Guardian Crusade. I don't even remember how I got the game, but I loved it a lot. The toy mechanic was cool, I liked that Baby had its' own AI based on how you fed it and plot progression, but the rest of the gameplay and plot fell flat on its' face, which is a sad thing T.T

Anyway, name a game that has Gundam in the title. More likely than not, it was a terrible game. I still loved it, because Gundams negate EVERY problem I could have with a game.

Dynasty Warriors is also a very bland series for pretty much the reasons h4x.m4g3 listed. I'll just add that those two-three combos and minor variations you pull off? They're fun to do. It's simple, it's mindless, it's a good way to kill time as long as you know what you're getting into.

Dynasty Warriors Gundam 1 was awesome and the only 360 game I've beaten to date (Not to mention that I 1000/1000'd it). Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 was a terrible game that deserved to die in a fire (Seriously, how do you mess up the DW formula THAT bad?) and yet I STILL love the game.

Other than that, I'd say Ar Tonelico: Melody of Elemia. It has a LOT of flaws with the characters' personalities (Everyone is some sort of basic archetype, such that you know which love interest is the one that lets everyone walk all over her and which love interest is the aggressive "I want you in my pants five miutes ago" one before they even SAY A WORD), the battle system (I broke the entire last two-thirds of the game using common drops from enemies because the game doesn't expect you to focus on making one guy the hardest hitting thing EVER), and the plot (Not even gonna TOUCH on some of the absurdities here). Still, the game has some charms that I couldn't help but love, such as the dialogue (This scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoODv8LVib8), which got linked on VGCats way back when, is a good example) and the 'Diving' (The game's version of sex, though it involves using a whole new port found only in a specific type of woman. It's as ridiculous as it sounds but TOTALLY SERIOUS in the game world. Also, the main character has three women he can dive with at any time without any complainted from the others.)

For all it's flaws, I've beat the game three times just to see some of the endings it has.

[Yrcrazypa]

Neverwinter Nights 2 would apply here, then? I hear that game taking a lot of flak from a lot of people, yet I still play it more than any other game I own. Though I play on a persistent world server, so that helps out a lot.

[Carade]

God help me, I loved the Digimon World game for the PSOne.

I still play it from time to time.

[phil_]

I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy, Crystal Chronicles; The Crystal Bearers is a terrible game. It has a terribly long name, for one thing. Anyway, I enjoyed the heck out of it as a "Do this and see what happens" game.

On a slightly off-topic note, I love the cutscenes in Sin and Punishment. They're just so much fun to read along with, from Saki's, "Good morning, Airan," to Leda's "They tried to kill me!" to Achi's, "They're crying! Crying Brad's name!" More cheesy than any Cheetos could ever hope to be.

[h4x.m4g3]

Did you ever go through the tunnels?
I remember the caves, and a secret lab where they make ghost or some such, and another exit back to the city (which was probably the most fun section) but never doing anything there but dieing.

Megaman X4, X5, X6, X7, and X8.
Those count as terrible? Man count me guilty as charged.

*everything about gundam and dynasty warriors*
Gundam vs Zeta Gundam is among my favorite games I wish I had money to buy when I was younger. It introduced me to the Zeta Gundam series, allowed me to overwrite all of ZZ Gundam without ever having to experience ZZ Gundam.
DW: Gundam 2 has the worst mission mode, unlocking system, and stage design ever, but actual gameplay and suit/character [even though character choice is next to meaningless] is the best ever, I just wish it wasn't all from UC. I've replayed the same couple of missions over fifty times to try to get character relations to the right levels to unlock other missions without them shifting at all, because I shoot down every ace that dare opposes me and I've played a lot.

God help me, I loved the Digimon World game for the PSOne.

I still play it from time to time.
That game was great, I was just never great at raising my Digimon, I mean they came out as great and strong but by the time I went to go adventuring, they'd pass of old age on the way.

Now I have to go find copies of a bunch of old 'terrible' games.

[Carade]

THEY KEPT DYING OF OLD AGE.

I missed a fight with Garurumon just because my god damned Greymon couldn't keep it up for 10 minutes. 10 MINUTES.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Those count as terrible? Man count me guilty as charged.


Most X fans seem to hate everything after X3 (with the exception of X4 and X5). And X8 was viewed as alright at best despite my personal belief that it's almost as good as X1 through X3 gameplay and level design wise If you can get past the bad dialog.

[synkr0nized]

plus one to the Dynasty Warriors series. Also, as this quote is amazing and I love it so much (<3 Mash),

Lu Bu in general is pretty terrific and I have no idea why Koei suddenly decided to make Zhao Yun their poster boy when really, their version of Lu Bu is the perfect litmus test for determining whether these games are For You or not. Are you down with a 9'x4' dude who looks like he's wearing the Gates of Mordor and runs around wielding the world's deadliest lug nut wrench? Congratulations, you're ready to be a true warrior of the Three Kingdoms.



Star Wars: Rebellion
- it lacked multiplayer
- it can get very tedious
- it's not the best simulation or whatever strategy game - lackluster controls in combat, minimal effort apparently in design and variety, a lot of waiting around and/or skipping through various factors
-- BUT you could build multiple Death Stars and Star Destroyers and dominate the galaxy (or save it, I guess, if you were some kind of rebel scum)
---- and send Vader out to do pimp stuff [as well as many other characters]; I mean having Palpatine phone in to tell me he failed on a mission was pretty awesome.

E: I might actually re-install this. I want to make ridiculous fleets again.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I really like the first Red Steel whereas everyone else hated it. But it had some very creative level design, was fun to control, had good weapon selection, I think everyone got upset at swordfighting sections ( a very small prt of the game) and wrote it off as aresult

[bluestarultor]

I am a sucker for Evil Zone (aka Eretzvaju). The game offers a surprising amount of depth for a kicker that has only one attack button and a block button. You can get by a little bit just by mashing buttons, but if your opponent actually knows the full range of abilities you can access and understands the character, you will get your ass kicked. There is SO much hidden away that normal randomness will not unlock.

Granted, the translations are terrible, and the sound mixing is nothing short of atrocious, and they ditched some great music in the name of removing all Japanese from the overseas release, but the voice cast made the best of the bad hand they were dealt and did a decent job characterizing the whole roster. If you want a casual fighter that you can blaze through Arcade in 15 minutes or so, including all the skippable conversations, but also want something with a lot to learn, it's an okay title.



I'll also mention that I love Chrono Cross, but I'll leave that one at that.



Legend of Dragoon is one I like, too. The translation is wooden and some characters are simply better than others in battle, but it does so much right I can't understand how people pass it over. Random battles, for one, are marked with an indicator of how close you are to fighting one, and you can use items to either reset it or make it rise faster. Said indicator is also color-blind friendly, which no game I've played has done before or since. When you do battle, I happened to LOVE the rhythm-based combos, and the biggest disappointment I have with battle is that the bow-user doesn't have them (mind you, it can make it easier to get a Dragoon level and fill up your Dragoon meter to get a constant number). The Dragoon system is also useful and unique. It's also one of the earlier games to use motion capture, and knowing that one man and one woman were able to not only pull off all the crazy combos, but also give such a wide range of physical characterization to the whole party, still fills me with awe. The story, while it's standard save-the-world fare, has a spice of twists and emotional sequences that make it worth sticking around for, and some things in the early part of the game return later to provide even MORE emotional impact. If you can get past the dry dialogue, there is a great game and a decent story to be had.



I'll also mention FFX-2, but that's actually a GOOD game, with great play and a halfway-decent story, and if you're hating on it, it's your loss. XP

[Magic_Marker]

Quest 64 was the shit. I rented it from blockbuster and was like "This is the shit."

Then my parents bought it for me and it was still the shit.

Most reviewers just thought it was shit.

[tacticslion]

Well, I'm with Nique on the FF8 thing. The story was admittedly atrocious after the first half of the game (after Squall got speared through the heart! And was fine!), but the game play was, to me at least, quite fun.

Neverwinter Nights 2 would apply here, then? I hear that game taking a lot of flak from a lot of people, yet I still play it more than any other game I own. Though I play on a persistent world server, so that helps out a lot.

I enjoyed NWN 2, as well. I can see why it was a substantial step back from Hordes of the Underdark (the final NWN expansion) - it consists of far too many unrelated fetch quests and there are far too many recruitable people*, none of which get developed as well as they should, runs a bit laggy (especially on my computer which could just barely handle it), has obscene load times, poor "cut scenes" (which are really just static images with text over them), and even lets you easily ruin romances, by mistake, for nothing. It was, however, far superior to the NWN OC (which was three chapters of "N/S/E/W fetch quests now other area to fight the boss!" and one chapter of "stealth past the baddies, oh wait, you can't!, now other area to fight the final boss!").

What it did right, included targeting procedures and areas, spell descriptions, item distribution, and a few decent story points, and letting your character actually impact the world. Also Mask of the Betrayer (it's expansion) was awesome.

Another terrible game that I like is Silverfall. It's a diablo-esque clone produced by Atari, but made by Monte Cristo. Oh, wow, is this game bad. Completely nonsensical item drops, ridiculous story elements, and the dialogue: oh, it's awful (not to mention the terrible, terrible French/English translation flubs, and bad dialogue script coding**). For all that, for some reason I enjoy it.

Also, Vagrant Story? I wouldn't consider that a bad game myself - I enjoy the proto-quick-time events, the weapon range spheres, and the level-up systems, etc - and I've enjoyed the story, but I've had a lot of people tell me it sucked. So, I dunno, I suppose we can include that one.

*It's not that the number of recuitable people are a problem. It's that the time isn't taken to develop them in-story. For example, the characters who betray you in the end? You see it coming from a mile away. It's not a surprise. At all. You are left completely unshocked and slightly disinterested that they betray you. At one point, one of them even tells you that he'll kill you if it's between his life or yours!
**This is not always a bad thing. I find it hilarious when they refer to a barely-clothed overly-chesty elven woman as "sir" and "mister" and "gentleman", or massive bare-chested uber-male as "madame", "miss", and "lady". Especially when it's your love-interest calling you the wrong gender.

Quest 64 was the shit. I rented it from blockbuster and was like "This is the shit."

Then my parents bought it for me and it was still the shit.

Most reviewers just thought it was shit.

Dude, yeah! I forgot about this game! It was terrible in most every way! I loved it!

[Yumil]

Quest 64 was the shit. I rented it from blockbuster and was like "This is the shit."

Then my parents bought it for me and it was still the shit.

Most reviewers just thought it was shit.

Least it tried to curb level grinding by curving the xp gain so much that it was near impossible to level, but then they added individual stat leveling and the grinding continued.

[krogothwolf]

I actually enjoyed ET when I was a kid.

[Kim]

I'll also mention FFX-2, but that's actually a GOOD game, with great play and a halfway-decent story, and if you're hating on it, it's your loss. XP

This is the "Terrible Games We Like" thread. Not the "Justify Your Terrible Taste" thread. smugsmiley.gif

I'm gonna go ahead and add Earth Defense Force 2017 to this thread. Game was so awful, but that was what was good about it.

[Azisien]

Earth Defense Force 2017! This game needs another X360 sequel so bad!

Dynasty Warriors, any of them really.

Not sure if Halo Wars is considered terrible, but console RTS takes enough flak that I feel weird for liking it.


Edit: Oh shit yeah, I totally liked X-2.

[synkr0nized]

I am a sucker for Evil Zone (aka Eretzvaju). The game offers a surprising amount of depth for a kicker that has only one attack button and a block button. You can get by a little bit just by mashing buttons, but if your opponent actually knows the full range of abilities you can access and understands the character, you will get your ass kicked. There is SO much hidden away that normal randomness will not unlock.

Granted, the translations are terrible, and the sound mixing is nothing short of atrocious, and they ditched some great music in the name of removing all Japanese from the overseas release, but the voice cast made the best of the bad hand they were dealt and did a decent job characterizing the whole roster. If you want a casual fighter that you can blaze through Arcade in 15 minutes or so, including all the skippable conversations, but also want something with a lot to learn, it's an okay title.

Do not take this man's advice. Oh dear.

[RobinStarwing]

I played Halo Wars. It's awesome for Console RTS.

Here is another one for the pile...Disciples II.

[Jagos]

I think I can safely say Secret of Evermore is on that list...

[RobinStarwing]

I think I can safely say Secret of Evermore is on that list...

I LOVED that game!

[Toast]

Secret of Evermore was pretty awesome. I never really understood why no one seemed to like it.

nwn2 is similar. Its only drawback is being resource heavy and, to this day on my computer at least, it does not run smoothly 80% of the time. Really enjoyable when it does, though.

Halo Wars is pretty fun, especially if don't go into it expecting a deep rts like what can be found on the pc. Taken for what it is, it does its job very well.

Not sure if this counts, but Shadow Hearts: Covenant. Not so much because I think it's considered a terrible game, but rather because I've never heard anyone refer to it or its series at all. I found it to be frankly better than many of the final fantasy games.

[mudah.swf]

I liked Battle Arena Toshinden on the PS1 even though it was complete rubbish even at the time.

[Arhra]

Legend of Dragoon is one I like, too. The translation is wooden and some characters are simply better than others in battle, but it does so much right I can't understand how people pass it over.
Wait a moment, people consider Legend of Dragoon to be a terrible game?

This does not compute!

[greed]

Gonna agree with FF8, I see all the faults with it, the painful story, annoying characters, terrible terrible design flaws. But I still have had a lot of fun just breaking the everloving hell out of it and playing Triple Triad (and both at the same time as you can break the hell out of it by playing Triple Triad). It helps that despite how broken the statistics and limit break systems were, that actual combat flows like a dream and better than any other FF other than maybe 12.

NWN2 as well, I had lots of fun with that, until I got the expansion. After playing that and seeing what the OC could have been I can't go back.


Not sure if this counts, but Shadow Hearts: Covenant. Not so much because I think it's considered a terrible game, but rather because I've never heard anyone refer to it or its series at all. I found it to be frankly better than many of the final fantasy games.

Shadow Hearts: Covenant is a fucking masterpiece and has as much place in this thread as Persona 4, Majora's Mask or Super Metroid. From the New World was a disappointment comparatively but still great. It's series would belong in a "criminally unknown and awesome games" thread not here.


Edit: As for my own additon to the thread, I've met a lot of people that consider KotoR 2 a terrible game due to it's incredible bugginess and obvious missing content. I however can work through this and enjoy the creamy centre of the best writing and story in anything even tangentially related to Star Wars.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Yeah, Secret of Evermore was pretty good. I didn't even know people hated it until I discovered the Internet. Which is a place full of hate, in case you didn't know.

EDIT: On topic: I enjoyed Fester's Quest as a kid.

[bluestarultor]

Do not take this man's advice. Oh dear.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a terrible game. I just happen to really like what they did with the control scheme and special attacks. Limiting it to one attack button meant that button combos didn't get overwhelming, but still provided the depth of a melee or ranged combo given distance, three normal specials, three alternates, a powered-up version or two, a dash attack, a jump attack, a retreat attack, four capture moves based on range (one for a melee back grapple), and a super. That's a pretty good breadth. It also had a very cinematic quality even in battle, where running certain moves into each other produced a breather scene that you could win a sucker punch at the end of.

They fit a lot of complexity into a very small space is what I'm saying. While the aesthetics could have been better, it's the game I keep coming back to to remind myself fighting games can be accessible, fast, and fun, if only because it's so bad it's good.

Wait a moment, people consider Legend of Dragoon to be a terrible game?

This does not compute!

I know! I don't understand it, either, but it's more prevalent than you'd expect.

[tacticslion]

I think I can safely say Secret of Evermore is on that list...

... lolwut?

Yeah, Secret of Evermore was pretty good. I didn't even know people hated it until I discovered the Internet. Which is a place full of hate, in case you didn't know.

If Secret of Evermore is considered a terrible game, than the world apparently failed it's roll against san-loss*. No, it wasn't a sequel to Secret of Mana, it was it's own game with a similar (but improved!) engine. Silly internet, full of hate.

*this means people be craaaaaaaaaaaa-zy, yo!

Gonna agree with FF8, I see all the faults with it, the painful story, annoying characters, terrible terrible design flaws. But I still have had a lot of fun just breaking the everloving hell out of it and playing Triple Triad (and both at the same time as you can break the hell out of it by playing Triple Triad). It helps that despite how broken the statistics and limit break systems were, that actual combat flows like a dream and better than any other FF other than maybe 12. It's true. While I highly enjoyed Spoony's long rants against the game (agreeing with most everything he said) it's still one of the more fluid and fun games to play.

NWN2 as well, I had lots of fun with that, until I got the expansion. After playing that and seeing what the OC could have been I can't go back. I know, right? I mean, seriously! Hordes was a fun expansion, that did pretty much everything they needed to do with the NWN game. Then they come out with NWN2, which was a slightly bloated, less-focused Hordes. Then they come out with Mask of the Betrayer, and I go, "why, in the name of all that exists, didn't you do this the first time?"

Shadow Hearts: Covenant is a fucking masterpiece and has as much place in this thread as Persona 4, Majora's Mask or Super Metroid. From the New World was a disappointment comparatively but still great. It's series would belong in a "criminally unknown and awesome games" thread not here. So as not to derail this thread, anyone wanna make a thread about this game so I can learn of it? I've saw it at a store, once, but sadly passed up my chance to buy it.

One other really guilty pleasure is "Legend of Zelda II: The One that Dared Be Different". It's not a great game, but it's a fairly fun game, at least to me. Or at least I thought it was a fun game. Up until I got bored. My enjoyment's kinda cyclical.

[Jagos]

Secret of Evermore

It was made by an American team (Strike one)
It was just a boy and his dog (Strike two)
The alchemy wasn't the magic system of Mana (Strike three)

I mean seriously, it was a great game, but when I go to places like Escapist (note: the people there go on moral crusades against piracy and can't back up one argument to save their life), it's as if the game wasn't a good game for its own merits, it just wasn't "Final Fantasy"

Now, I love playing FF6 but damn... People be trippin balls.

[katiuska]

One of my friends was on the playtesting team for NWN 2, back when he worked at Atari. They kept their spirits up by amusing each other with increasingly Boomhauer-esque impressions of one of the NPCs (the guy with the clear Southern accent).

What's sick is that listening to an hour and a half of ranting about how much FFVIII sucked made me kind of want to try replaying it just to see if I could find my way around all the junctioning business.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

It was made by an American team (Strike one)
It was just a boy and his dog (Strike two)
The alchemy wasn't the magic system of Mana (Strike three)

I mean seriously, it was a great game, but when I go to places like Escapist (note: the people there go on moral crusades against piracy and can't back up one argument to save their life), it's as if the game wasn't a good game for its own merits, it just wasn't "Final Fantasy"

Now, I love playing FF6 but damn... People be trippin balls.

Well of course. When you get a group who worship the very words of Yahtzee they become pig headed and stubborn. Same with Spoony fans.

[Niveras]

Star Wars: Rebellion
- it lacked multiplayer
- it can get very tedious
- it's not the best simulation or whatever strategy game - lackluster controls in combat, minimal effort apparently in design and variety, a lot of waiting around and/or skipping through various factors
-- BUT you could build multiple Death Stars and Star Destroyers and dominate the galaxy (or save it, I guess, if you were some kind of rebel scum)
---- and send Vader out to do pimp stuff [as well as many other characters]; I mean having Palpatine phone in to tell me he failed on a mission was pretty awesome.

E: I might actually re-install this. I want to make ridiculous fleets again.

God damn, now I am missing SW:Rebellion too. I loved that game even though in retrospect it was pretty simple. The tactical combat certainly needed work, but I always thought if they took SW:R's turn based empire building and threw in Empire at War's tactical combat (with, preferably, more 3D to the maps - think Homeworld), it would be unfathomably awesome.

I especially like Rebellion's technology research method and use of Expanded Universe technologies and characters to help flesh out the world (galaxy?) a bit.

[Krylo]

It helps that despite how broken the statistics and limit break systems were, that actual combat flows like a dream and better than any other FF other than maybe 12.

X-2.


P.S. Draw.

[Vauron]

So as not to derail this thread, anyone wanna make a thread about this game so I can learn of it? I've saw it at a store, once, but sadly passed up my chance to buy it.

If you are interested, there is currently a Lets Play of Covenant over on the Something Awful forums. As I think it is still chugging along, it should be within the first few pages of the Lets Play subforum.

[Magus]

Man, I'll see you people's Quest 64 and raise you Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage. It seriously had the most unique enemy designs I've seen in your average medieval RPG, but everything else about it is in retrospect kind of terrible...I just didn't know it at the time, I guess!

Quest 64 was sort of kinda easy except I remember there being points where you would just get your ass whooped out of the blue. I liked that you could move to dodge enemy attacks, and the targeting system was pretty okay, too. They should bring it back and get rid of all the terrible parts.

Anyone who dislikes Secret of Evermore probably hasn't played it, since I can't really find anything wrong with it except it's not as good as this or that. Doesn't mean it's bad or something. Hell, I think it was a sight better than Secret of Mana, really, as far as the gameplay goes.

FFX-2 did indeed have an awesome battle system but it was hampered by the horrors of everything else in the game. It was too unbearable for me, really. I hope they do the battle system again in a better game.

The only bad Mega Man X game was X7, everything else is decent at worst.

[RobinStarwing]

How about this...Sailor Moon: Another Story

I have the fan-translated ROM and I love to play it. It's fun. ^_^

[Flarecobra]

Star Wars: Rebellion
- it lacked multiplayer
- it can get very tedious
- it's not the best simulation or whatever strategy game - lackluster controls in combat, minimal effort apparently in design and variety, a lot of waiting around and/or skipping through various factors
-- BUT you could build multiple Death Stars and Star Destroyers and dominate the galaxy (or save it, I guess, if you were some kind of rebel scum)
---- and send Vader out to do pimp stuff [as well as many other characters]; I mean having Palpatine phone in to tell me he failed on a mission was pretty awesome.

E: I might actually re-install this. I want to make ridiculous fleets again.

It did have multiplayer... just not very well enabled...

And I second Rebellion. I remember once having a 30-ship fleet that just RAPED anything it came across. Not even SSDs could stand agenst it.

Sadly, I played it so much, the disk actually wore out.

Thus I moved on to Empire at War, not a terrible game at all. ^_^

[bluestarultor]

FFX-2 did indeed have an awesome battle system but it was hampered by the horrors of everything else in the game. It was too unbearable for me, really. I hope they do the battle system again in a better game.

I feel like this should be in the Corrupted Wishes thread, but that's basically what they did for FFXIII.

[Kim]

I feel like this should be in the Corrupted Wishes thread, but that's basically what they did for FFXIII.

He said better game.

[MuMu]

Lost in Blue series. It has extremely annoying mechanics: You must gather provisions for you and your partner(Twigs to make fire, water, food), materials to make equipment, your companion is mostly useless(Aside from crafting tools), your weapons break easily, your stamina depletes really fast, you will most likely need a guide to know what the hell to do...

But I just love games where you start with nothing and slowly upgrade, and life's get easier bit by bit...

[bluestarultor]

He said better game.

You heard it here, folks, the resident game reviewer thinks FFX-2 is better than FFXIII. Take that as you will. ;)

[Nique]

FFXIII isn't terrible. Or even bad at all really. It just doesn't provide the expierience I think most people are looking for in a Final Fantasy game, or even in an RPG.

So I guess put me down for FFXIII

[bluestarultor]

Just for the record, I like both XIII and X-2. In fact, I'll say the only main line title of FF that I've played and didn't enjoy to some extent was XII. And even that had merits. I have yet to see another game with that kind of weapon balance. Now if the combat hadn't been as slow as mud, it might have let me in a bit more. Probably not won me over, since I hated all the characters and despise political dramas (although I recognized from Phantom playing that it was a very good political drama) and the story was just as slow, but at least I might have given it more of a chance than I did.

[Nique]

I can't get through 12 it's sooo boooooring. But I agree, the weapon system is amazing.

[Kim]

I guess I'll throw Fragile Dreams out for consideration. The game isn't terrible, but the gameplay is, so what's good about it only makes it mediocre.

[Toastburner B]

I played and beat both Drakengard games.

I got 3 of the endings of Drakengard 1, but only the first on Drakengard 2.

I suppose that shouldn't be too surprising, considering the amount of people who say their guilty pleasure is Dynasty Warriors. However, Drakengard seems to catch more flak than DW, so there you go, I guess.

[Nique]

I remember Sonic Spinball being fairly weird as a platform/ pinball simulator. But I was big into Sonic back then so I loved it anyway. It also gets some negative points for screwing around with StHh's already messed up continuity by having something like 8 or 13 emeralds instead of 7.

[walkertexasdruid]

Wow, a lot of great responses so far. A couple of issues, though:

I do not consider Legend of Dragoon a terrible game. In fact, it is one of my favorite PSOne games of all time (even if it takes at least two hours to beat the final boss).

Chrono Cross was also a pretty good game, as was Vagrant Story.

As for FF X-2, VIII, and XII, I liked them, but I can understand why many would not. I have not played XIII yet, so I will reserve my judgement until I do.

I do have another game that deserves mention: Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest. Yet another RPG for beginners. It had decent graphics for its time, but the fact that you were required to clear out the "random encounters areas" of the maps to progress through the game was annoying. Also, in the dungeons, the encounters were anything but random. Still, I had fun and I beat it fairly quickly (luckily I had rented it and not actually bought it).

I am sure we all have different opinions about these and many other games, but that is what makes this thread so fun. So let the madness continue.;)

[phil_]

I guess I'll throw Fragile Dreams out for consideration. The game isn't terrible, but the gameplay is, so what's good about it only makes it mediocre.me 2.

OR, fighting ghosts and stuff and managing your inventory made for very meh gameplay, but the rest of the time, when you're walking around and experiencing, it's awesome. The way the back story unwinds is much better than one expects from videogame writing.

[Aldurin]

Since FFXIII and FFII keep coming up, I might as well put up KQ (http://kqlives.sourceforge.net/). No that is not "Kalphite Queen", I seriously don't know what the fuck it stands for and I'm not sure the developers did either. It's open source which led to its downfall (or haitus if I ever give a shit and try to finish it). It's basically part of a free clone of the old FF rpg's. If the game was complete and the game was consistent with the currently finished sections, then I wouldn't have minded paying $40 to play this.

It's actually fucking awesome as far as I'm concerned, but I call it terrible because of that point you hit where monsters stop appearing and half the text boxes start with TODO. And the worst part is I remember an earlier version where you could actually play as the thief without having her story to be finished. The current one just has her stand there and say that her quest hasn't been written yet.

If I get far enough into programming and remember this thing still I'll probably take up finishing it if it stays like this.

[bluestarultor]

I do not consider Legend of Dragoon a terrible game. In fact, it is one of my favorite PSOne games of all time (even if it takes at least two hours to beat the final boss).

LoD was one you either liked or didn't. The biggest complaints I've heard about it are that there's too many cutscenes, they didn't like the battle system, they thought the story was a rip off of FF7, and/or that it wasn't written well. I can see maybe a couple of those being valid, but the FF7 thing is tenuous at best.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I once played Runescape.

...

.. I got better!

[walkertexasdruid]

Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link was another if not terrible then unpopular game that I liked. I was especially proud when I beat the darn thing, the Great Temple is very hard to get through, not to mention the final bosses (you better hope you are maxed out on magic and life when you make it there).

The only complaints I would have about LoD is that the battle music was a little wierd, and that it takes forever to beat the game. The cutscenes were some of the best looking seen on the PSOne.

[Fifthfiend]

You heard it here, folks, the resident game reviewer thinks FFX-2 is better than FFXIII. Take that as you will. ;)

I think we can safely assume Nonsie considers them to be of roughly equal terribleness.

[Kim]

To be fair, I can't really get a solid hate-on for X-2 going since I know better than to play it.

[Magus]

C'mon, the pain can be yours for only like 4.99! It's a real bargain for masochists!

[EVILNess]

The combat system in X-2 was really good, and overall the gameplay was very solid. The story kinda sucked though.

I loved Saga Frontier, eve though it was kinda a half effort by Square.

[Nique]

I loved Saga Frontier, eve though it was kinda a half effort by Square.

Oh man. My respect level for you was like, somewhere in the neutral to slightly above neutral area and it just took a nose dive. I mean this is coming from a dude that loves Final Fantasy 8.

[Thadius]

Of the games that I possess, I will say that none of them properly belong in the 'In the name of Murphy why do I own this' pile. But none of them are exempt from the 'Okay you've got some horrible traits' pile.

The original Baldur's Gate, yes, THAT one. Let's face it, if you actually played all the way through it and didn't tear your hair out once, you have the patience of a demigod, at least. You're starting a level one party who has the ultimate goal of solving all the problems Sarevok ever caused. The map system is irritating to first-timers. Repeat offenders find it damn annoying. Oh and let's not forget that if you do it right wrong that everything wants to and will try to kill you, and some of the creatures you fight can do such an act without any effort, no matter your level!

Despite that, I still find it amusing taking the party wizard and forcing things to die by ludicrous application of Magic Missile. Nothing is truly immune to Magic Missile.

[Inbred Chocobo]

I enjoyed the combat system of FFXIII.

That good enough?

[Roland]

I liked Star Fox Adventures and thought it was a pretty good game when I first played it.

Well, up until the first test of strength. And the Test of Fear. And the game being ridiculously rushed and not making much sense at all, once I really thought about it. And the collecting, damn it Rare, you didn't have to include so many useless items and you certainly didn't need to play the fanfare as often as you did. And Krystal was completely wasted. And Scales was completely wasted. And Dinosaur Planet, the game's source material, was completely wasted. And even the Star Fox franchise was completely wasted. So much wasted potential, it hurts.

So really all I like about it these days is that it's a very pretty game and it has a nice soundtrack, but hey the topic says liked, as in past tense. I would also like to throw in X-Blades, a mediocre hack and slash God of War clone for the 360. It helps that I changed the in-game language to french and decided the protagonist was so over the top when it came to sex appeal that she stopped being sexy and was merely cute.

I mean, who wouldn't want to play a game about a cute french girl who explores ancient ruins and slaughters demonic forces for a living?

[bluestarultor]

To be fair, I can't really get a solid hate-on for X-2 going since I know better than to play it.

Oddly, I think you might actually be able to tolerate it. It's not X, and it doesn't pretend to be. It deviates from the series by taking a very light tone and focusing on just being fun in pretty much every way: giving you way better access to the world than X did with platforming, tossing you headlong into the fastest battle system of the series until FFXIII came out, treating you to bouncy tunes, and giving you access to a class system that I'm just going to come out and say is head-and-shoulders above XIII's. XIII's battle system might be more streamlined, but X-2's has WAY more depth and freedom.

Basically it's a great game and the only things wrong with it are skimpy costumes, a weaker story than the series generally offers, and a couple awkward scenes.


I actually did a review for Dojo way back when. I could pop it over to you if you'd like to read it.

[Magus]

It had horrible voice acting, too. Don't forget that! Also the story is not only weak but seems to actively seek to make you quit playing the game. But yeah the battle system is pretty cool, plus I liked how open-ended it was.

Since when are skimpy outfits a downside, btw?

I too was disappointed when Dinosaur Planet was retrofitted as a Star Fox game. I hated Nintendo for that, since the trailer for Dinosaur Planet looked so awesome. Plus you could play with a sword if you played as Saber, whereas Krystal had the staff.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I rather liked playing Star Fox Adventure. Might even play through the game again...

Maybe

Also SF Assault's Multiplayer was fun I'll give it that.

[bluestarultor]

Since when are skimpy outfits a downside, btw?

Since it made male teenagers everywhere feel the need to store the game under their mattresses. :P

I mean, credit where credit is due, here, the game actually contains nude models for all the heroines, and they're anatomically correct and surprisingly detailed. They're used as an underlying base for the Sphere Change sequences, actually. It's most apparent if you find a vid where someone recorded it in New Game+ and did a change between duplicate spheres, but just as a tease, any change includes split-second bareness. Mind you, despite the level of detail the models possess, it never actually shows anything, but still.

[akaSM]

Does Cruisn' USA count? Because I love that game. So far it's my only N64 VC game ^_^. I also really like the Battle Network side of the Megaman series, and Megaman Network Transmission too.

[Krylo]

It had horrible voice acting, too.

No, it had pretty standard VA. Samurai Legend Musashi had terrible VA. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afIIDYKhvsA&feature=related)

[Magus]

Since it made male teenagers everywhere feel the need to store the game under their mattresses. :P

I mean, credit where credit is due, here, the game actually contains nude models for all the heroines, and they're anatomically correct and surprisingly detailed. They're used as an underlying base for the Sphere Change sequences, actually. It's most apparent if you find a vid where someone recorded it in New Game+ and did a change between duplicate spheres, but just as a tease, any change includes split-second bareness. Mind you, despite the level of detail the models possess, it never actually shows anything, but still.

Why are you trying to make me dig-up FFX-2 and my PS2 Gameshark, Blues?! Why?! Also that sounds precisely like what I used to try to do with tapes of Sailor Moon when I was a lad. Precisely!

As for FFX-2's VA quality, I'll just put forth the opinion that there are no real degrees of bad VA. Either it has good VA or it doesn't. Even mediocre VA is probably going to take you so far out of the moment that you aren't going to enjoy the game. Whereas decent VA will probably be only as noticeable as a decent anime voice dub or something and you won't appreciate it despite the fact that it has at least done the job of not totally ruining the experience for you.

[synkr0nized]

I got really bored playing Rebellion again. Nuts.

I'm playing Defcon now, but I wouldn't call it a terrible game.

[bluestarultor]

Why are you trying to make me dig-up FFX-2 and my PS2 Gameshark, Blues?! Why?! Also that sounds precisely like what I used to try to do with tapes of Sailor Moon when I was a lad. Precisely!

As for FFX-2's VA quality, I'll just put forth the opinion that there are no real degrees of bad VA. Either it has good VA or it doesn't. Even mediocre VA is probably going to take you so far out of the moment that you aren't going to enjoy the game. Whereas decent VA will probably be only as noticeable as a decent anime voice dub or something and you won't appreciate it despite the fact that it has at least done the job of not totally ruining the experience for you.
Glad to be of service. ;)

I'd say the VA quality is best described as pretty good with occasional hiccups. For the most part, it gets the job done or even stumbles into good territory, but there are also moments where things just plain stumble.

[walkertexasdruid]

My only complaint about FF X-2 was that the final boss was a wimp (Of course having two level 70 Dark Knights and level 70 Chemist might have had something to do with it). The battle system was great, the girls were cute, and the story was decent if not as heavy as other FF's, especially X. The beginning could have been much better, and Brother really creeped me out, but it still had some of the best graphics on the PSTwo. Still, I can understand why many did not like the game.