Pokemon Umbral Discussion 34: all your base... [Archive]

Menarker

07-31-2010, 05:30 PM

Anyway, discuss! The current topic was Menarker being wrong and me being right. And AB secretly being an evil mastermind.

No, it was discussing the battle plan and then we decide which is better. >_>

I like the pic a lot too, but share in the worries that it might be a tad overboard for this forum. ^^;

Right, well.

Let's see about this plan:

Rachel: Rage Rockets on Pierce and Impact.
Renny: Togekiss and Shaymin use Amplified Air Slash on target A and B. Defog effect. 60% and 70% chance of flinching respectively (Shaymin has flinch boosting item). Renny uses Serene Blessing. Renny pays 70 RPs to protect Togekiss and Shaymin. Harliette pays 35 RPs to protect herself, Shannon pays 35 RPs to protect Matthias, Cecilia pays 35 RPs to protect Impact.
Wilhelmina: Piercing Shot on the DARKNESS.
Moon: Lanturn to use Amplified STAB Discharge on C & D (backlash to hit Aria), Kingdra to use Amplified STAB Hydro Pump on D.
Charlotte: Buck to use Amplified STAB Fire Blast on D, Pike to use Amplified Discharge on C & D (backlash to hit Bastiodon).
Harliette: Nidoqueen to use Amplified STAB Earthquake on slots C & D (backlash to hit Shaymin), Kangaskhan to use Amplified Focus Blast on C. Harliette to use HV Shot on C.
Matthias: Amplified Psychic on C.
Pierce: Palkia to use Amplified STAB Spacial Rend on D, Aria to use Amplified STAB Thunder on C.
Impact: STAB HV Rifle on D.
Trainer Attacks: Pierce target C, Charlotte target D.

Moon can't use Moonbeam Disco because he doesn't have Rage.

Formation:

[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Buck] [Pike] [Bastiodon] [Kangaskhan] [Harliette] [Nidoqueen] [Shaymin] [Togekiss] [Palkia] [Aria] [Lanturn] [Kingdra] [Impact] [Power Amplifier]

I could have Pierce call out Tyranitar. Except Tyranitar has a metric fuckton of weakeness and we're supposed to be playing it defensively. Still Tyranistorm with all it's sweet sweet +50% Special Defense would help a bit, I guess.

Firstly, remember that Rachel can spend 25 rage to use an extra item. We could feasibly have Rachel spend 50 rage to use another 2 rage rockets on someone else, such as Moon so we can use Moonlight Disco while still mainly keeping to the plan although we would have to have Harriette pay again instead of Shannon.

Secondly, why are we having Kangashkan use Focus Blast? Yes, it's special type and thus amplified, but Kangkashan has one of the SHITTEST Special Attack stat you can get. Seriously, we might as well get Harriette's Helping Hand pokemon to boost Nidoqueen's Earthquake. Even amplified, it wouldn't do as much damage as its attack stat based attacks, (two stages boost is equal to double power.)

Thirdly, Did AB answer the question about whether Wilhelmina can attack to attack a target since
A: She has to shoot through the fog to attempt to hit a target anyhow. She might as well attempt to hit someone while she is shooting at the "darkness" at the same time.
B: Renny's pokemon would have "defogged" twice before her and thus remove the accuracy barrier as Harriette said.
"Unfortunately, we're screwed for the next phase," Harliette explained. "We can use Defog once to recover from the accuracy decrease the Fog of War brought us, but we won't know what we hit until after we've done our business."

Fourthly, I noticed you have Discharge set to backlash on Bastidon. Keep in mind that neither the rock type or the steel type resist or has immunity to electrity, so it'll hit it like normal.

On a different topic all together! AB: I was just reading about the "Hot Skitty on Wailord" topic on TVtropes... I was wondering what happens if two pokebrids mate and try to have a baby. Does the pokebridization of the parents have any influence on the child, such as species of the mother or father, or even the child is just a normal human? >_> I then had a nasty thought of a fatty Wailord Pokebrid smothering a tiny Skitty pokebrid in this RP... Fatty on Loli fetish? *Brainbleach*

Bard The 5th LW

07-31-2010, 05:49 PM

Pokebrids are sterile or something.

Let the obvious Retcon take place.

It will be for the best, I have a spiritomb pokebrid in the works, and the mating season will have quite a bit of nightmare fuel if the retcon does not take place.

Plus the ditto pokebrids and the.... bluh! Enough going into detail.

Astral Harmony

07-31-2010, 05:50 PM

Pokebrids doing other Pokebrids usually results in a perfectly normal human child. That's the benefit of ethical scientific advances. They always make sure it's possible that genetic mutations won't affect future offspring before they advertised it out to the public.

Dracorion

07-31-2010, 05:51 PM

Firstly, remember that Rachel can spend 25 rage to use an extra item. We could feasibly have Rachel spend 50 rage to use another 2 rage rockets on someone else, such as Moon so we can use Moonlight Disco while still mainly keeping to the plan although we would have to have Harriette pay again instead of Shannon.

Remember that Rachel has no means of generating more Rage since we're using her for healing and Rage generation every turn. So whatever Rage she has to use more items with has to be hoarded like fucking gold.

I think we should save it for the boss we know is coming, and overwhelm that Miyo bitch with enough raw power in Signature Techniques to crack the planet.

Secondly, why are we having Kangashkan use Focus Blast? Yes, it's special type and thus amplified, but Kangkashan has one of the SHITTEST Special Attack stat you can get. Seriously, we might as well get Harriette's Helping Hand pokemon to boost Nidoqueen's Earthquake. Even amplified, it wouldn't do as much damage as its attack stat based attacks, (two stages boost is equal to double power.)

Mostly? Because I didn't know about Kangaskhan's crappy Special Attack. Let's have Kangaskhan use Dizzy Punch, then. Confusion is always nice.

Thirdly, Did AB answer the question about whether Wilhelmina can attack to attack a target since
A: She has to shoot through the fog to attempt to hit a target anyhow. She might as well attempt to hit someone while she is shooting at the "darkness" at the same time.
B: Renny's pokemon would have "defogged" twice before her and thus remove the accuracy barrier as Harriette said.

Eh, I don't see why not. Put it in orange, though.

Fourthly, I noticed you have Discharge set to backlash on Bastidon. Keep in mind that neither the rock type or the steel type resist or has immunity to electrity, so it'll hit it like normal.

Well, I could've sworn Rock-type was resistant to electric. Mostly because I haven't checked Bulbapedia in a while.

Remind me to punch Gamefreak or whoever makes Pokemon in the fucking balls for making Electric type stupid just to buff Ash's retarded little rat.

Let's just have Pike use Thunder on D. And shift the trainer attacks so both concentrate on C.

Pokebrids doing other Pokebrids usually results in a perfectly normal human child. That's the benefit of ethical scientific advances. They always make sure it's possible that genetic mutations won't affect future offspring before they advertised it out to the public.

So I'm guessing they did human trials to see if Pokebrids made Pokebrid children back while Pokebridization was still in development?

I'm imagining bastard Pokebrid children running around. Hell, that might've been the origin of the first few Asuras.

Menarker

07-31-2010, 06:02 PM

Remember that Rachel has no means of generating more Rage since we're using her for healing and Rage generation every turn. So whatever Rage she has to use more items with has to be hoarded like fucking gold.

I think we should save it for the boss we know is coming, and overwhelm that Miyo bitch with enough raw power in Signature Techniques to crack the planet.

Fair enough. I can get behind that. Although Renny would be using Testament Drives since he doesn't have any offensive Sign Techs atm.

But then, alternatively, why shouldn't we just forget about giving a rage rocket to Impact and Pierce (giving both to Moon instead) and give Impact and Pierce the stuff next round when we find out who the foes are?I thought the goal for this turn was to be defensive until we knew which foes were which, and that means shutting down as many foes as possible via guaranteed statuses like flinching. Gem thought it was the way to go too.

Mostly? Because I didn't know about Kangaskhan's crappy Special Attack. Let's have Kangaskhan use Dizzy Punch, then. Confusion is always nice.

Sounds good. STAB is a plus as well.

Eh, I don't see why not. Put it in orange, though.

I did in the last thread. I'll do it again though...

Astral Harmony

07-31-2010, 06:02 PM

The actual way they proved this was...well, pretty silly.

Scientist Dude: "So, you're a retired Pokebrid, correct?"
Female Pokebrid: "Yep. Won the lottery."
Scientist Dude: "You became one because you didn't care about bearing children, correct?"
Female Pokebrid: "Yeah, but now that I'm older and have had time to think about it, I feel like I want to settle down. Too late now, I guess."
Scientist Dude: "Let me get to the point. I'll pay you two million dollars to let this Pokebrid guy cum inside you on a dangerous day."
Female Pokebrid: "Sweet deal! I'm glad I decided not to Fire Blast you when you opened the door."
Scientist Dude: "Ah. Thanks."

My strategy guide confirms that Rock has no resistance to Electric attacks. Man, I thought it was that way, too.

Menarker

07-31-2010, 06:05 PM

AB:

Can Wilhelmina attack somehow through the fog after Renny's pokemon uses Flying type attacks? I'm asking despite the fact that Wilhelmina said she couldn't aim because...
A: She has to shoot through the fog to attempt to hit a target anyhow. She might as well attempt to hit someone while she is shooting at the "darkness" at the same time using a Flying type move to act as an additional defog.
B: Renny's pokemon would have "defogged" twice before her and thus remove the accuracy barrier as Harriette said.
"Unfortunately, we're screwed for the next phase," Harliette explained. "We can use Defog once to recover from the accuracy decrease the Fog of War brought us, but we won't know what we hit until after we've done our business."

Well, I could've sworn Rock-type was resistant to electric. Mostly because I haven't checked Bulbapedia in a while.

Remind me to punch Gamefreak or whoever makes Pokemon in the fucking balls for making Electric type stupid just to buff Ash's retarded little rat.

That's mainly because in the first generation, all the rock pokemons were dual-typed with ground type which IS immune to electric. The only way you could have found out then that rock was not immune was to use Aerodactyl against someone with an electric pokemon, thinking that rock was immune... only to be hit with a Super Effective attack, (WTF REACTION) like happened to me before. It wasn't until second generation when other pokemons that were rock type but not ground type came out (like Sudowoodo the pure rock type) that the truth was more known.

Of course, the fact that Ash's Pikachu could bolt Geodudes and Onixes and Rhydons at all (AIM FOR THE HORN!) is nothing short of retarded. ^^:

EDIT: On a side note, just want to say that the info that Pokebrids breeding create perfectly normal human children makes me happy. ^^

Dracorion

07-31-2010, 06:26 PM

But then, alternatively, why shouldn't we just forget about giving a rage rocket to Impact and Pierce (giving both to Moon instead) and give Impact and Pierce the stuff next round when we find out who the foes are?I thought the goal for this turn was to be defensive until we knew which foes were which, and that means shutting down as many foes as possible via guaranteed statuses like flinching. Gem thought it was the way to go too.

No, what Gem said was:

Defensive plan looks good. If Milsha still had her rage, we could use that to pay, but OH WELL.
Yeah, pay for the people who're worth protecting. Get some water pokemon out. Use a few buffs. Prepare.

Which does not translate to "FLINCH SHIT". And flinch is in no way a guaranteed status. Like, at all.

Look, if we were to use Moonbeam Disco chances are most of the enemies it'd hit would be flinched. BUT, I would rather build up our collective Rage for later, again, so that we can crush Miyo like a stupid bug. I think we can take the hits this turn, all our important players being protected, and the ones that aren't don't aren't squishy little bitches with crappy resistances either.

EDIT: On a side note, just want to say that the info that Pokebrids breeding create perfectly normal human children makes me happy. ^^

Pffft. That's only for PokebridxPokebrid.

For all you know, if Renny and Lola were to have a kid it'd be some bastard mutant thing.

Bard The 5th LW

07-31-2010, 06:27 PM

It makes me happen to.

But the breeding itself has potential to be far from natural.

VERY FAR!

REMOVE THESE THOUGHTS FROM MY HEAD!

Edit: There, an avatar to express my actions.

Astral Harmony

07-31-2010, 06:54 PM

I'll allow Wilhelmina to take a shot, but chances are that it won't do a lot of good.

Y'see, Defog uses up the whole phase. Logically, a creature, even one with huge wings, probably wouldn't be able to blow away fog in the same amount of time as another creature would bring down a bolt of lightning.

Plus, it's a lot easier to see and attack something up close than it is from much farther away, even if the far off ally had a sniper scope.

As for Renny and Lola possibly having a mutant baby, that brings up this interesting point...

Renny: "C'mon, honey, he's almost out! One final push!"
Lola: *screams during the final push*
Doctor: "Congratulations, Mr and Mrs Tresserhorn, it's a...Shuckle?"
Baby Shuckle: "Shuckle!"
Renny: *looks at Mollesk* "You sonuva-!"
Lola: "Baby, I'm so sorry! I thought it was you that night! The lighting was really dark and I thought you were using Viagra-!"

Menarker

07-31-2010, 06:59 PM

I was talking about the sureness of them being unable to act. Flinch is a sure status compared to ones like paralysis. Sleep is also fairly sure for one turn as well, but those are rarer to find with decent accuracy.

Anyhow, I'll roll with it. BUT I still think that Shannon should not be the one paying rage. If we need to use Disco Dance later (Miyo is likely to come with minions and it's best to alternate between Pierce's Love-Tech and Moonlight Disco if we can), we don't want to have to be spending 3 rage rockets or several turns to do it. Harriette gains double rage, so she'll be ok paying for Matthias.

Rachel: Rage Rockets on Pierce and Impact.
Renny: Togekiss and Shaymin use Amplified Air Slash on target A and B. Defog effect. 60% and 70% chance of flinching respectively (Shaymin has flinch boosting item). Renny uses Serene Blessing. Renny pays 70 RPs to protect Togekiss and Shaymin. Harliette pays 70 RPs to protect herself and Matthias, Cecilia pays 35 RPs to protect Impact.
Wilhelmina: Piercing Shot on target C. Also pierces the fog in the process that's shielding the foes from our sight.
Moon: Lanturn to use Amplified STAB Discharge on C & D (backlash to hit Aria), Kingdra to use Amplified STAB Hydro Pump on D.
Charlotte: Buck to use Amplified STAB Fire Blast on D, Pike to use Amplified Thunder on D.
Harliette: Nidoqueen to use STAB Earthquake on slots C & D (backlash to hit Shaymin), Kangaskhan to use STAB Dizzy Punch on C. Harliette to use HV Shot on C.
Matthias: Amplified Psychic on C.
Pierce: Palkia to use Amplified STAB Spacial Rend on D, Aria to use Amplified STAB Thunder on C.
Impact: STAB HV Rifle on D.
Trainer Attacks: Pierce target C, Charlotte target C.

Formation:

[Matthias] [Buck] [Pike] [Bastiodon] [Kangaskhan] [Harliette] [Nidoqueen] [Shaymin] [Togekiss] [Palkia] [Aria] [Lanturn] [Kingdra] [Impact] [Special Attack Amplifier]

(Note that Renny gains equal rage when Pierce or Harliette get rage from injuries due to Togekiss being on the field with the appropriate item.)

Also, noticed that you had Earthquake as "amplified" when it is a physical attack, not special. The closest to Earthquake in power that is special is Earth Power.

EDIT: 0.o *Just saw AB's post...* God damnit, Mollesk!

Renny has "Magikarp Power" to put it eloquently.

Dracorion

07-31-2010, 07:04 PM

I'm okay with that plan.

Also, yeah, whatever about Earthquake.

Geminex

07-31-2010, 10:31 PM

Though you guys remember the fact that there's a flood coming? And therefor anything on the ground will prooobably take quite a bit of water damage?
Buck will be taking super-effective damage. As will nidoqueen. You're aware of this?

I said I'd sit this round out, and I shall, so that'll be all you hear from me. Though two things:
First, you really don't seem to be using many buffs. Might've been worth it to do so, but allright.
Secondly, this:

(Note that Renny gains equal rage when Pierce or Harliette get rage from injuries due to Togekiss being on the field with the appropriate item.)
What? Seriously, what? Your item does not do that. And if it does, nerf that shit.
All that your item does (if I remember correctly) is give togekiss extra rage for damage taken by its immediate neighbors, not Renny's neighbors. Meaning, in this case, Shaymin and Palkia. Which is still plenty powerful, mind you. It's just not excessive like you seem to be wanting it to be.

Astral Harmony

08-01-2010, 12:07 AM

I'd wouldn't hurt them with the waters pouring out of the broken fountain. If I intended to, I would've mentioned it along with the lightning splash aspect. The water will barely be at ancle level. But that's some very thorough thinking there, Gem.

If nothing comes up tomorrow, I'll have the post done that afternoon.

Menarker

08-01-2010, 05:00 AM

Secondly, this:
What? Seriously, what? Your item does not do that. And if it does, nerf that shit.
All that your item does (if I remember correctly) is give togekiss extra rage for damage taken by its immediate neighbors, not Renny's neighbors. Meaning, in this case, Shaymin and Palkia. Which is still plenty powerful, mind you. It's just not excessive like you seem to be wanting it to be.

That is exactly what it does. It was discussed in much detail when the item was made, and I made no attempt at hiding anything from AB. It was already nerfed in that it only activates when rage from INJURY is gained, not when rage is gained by attacking or from items. Pokemons themselves do not gain rage, only their masters (unless they are without masters). In this particular situation when Togekiss is out on the field, if any of Harriette's pokemons, or Harriette was to get hurt, or if any of Pierce's pokemon get hurt, then Renny gains equal rage as a benefit. That's why there was that little argument about why Renny should be put beside Hariette, who gains double rage when attacking or damaged.

I'm suprised that you didn't speak up about this in the first battle when Togekiss had this item and we went into discussion about it. Kinda quite late to object.

Dracorion

08-01-2010, 08:23 AM

Though you guys remember the fact that there's a flood coming? And therefor anything on the ground will prooobably take quite a bit of water damage?
Buck will be taking super-effective damage. As will nidoqueen. You're aware of this?

Aw, dammit! AB answered this first rather nicely and now I can't be mean about it!

Welp, I'm never getting sleep again. Sleep makes me miss opportunities like this one.

I said I'd sit this round out, and I shall, so that'll be all you hear from me. Though two things:
First, you really don't seem to be using many buffs. Might've been worth it to do so, but allright.

Meh, who'd be using buffs? Like, one of Moon's pokemon and Matthias?

What? Seriously, what? Your item does not do that. And if it does, nerf that shit.
All that your item does (if I remember correctly) is give togekiss extra rage for damage taken by its immediate neighbors, not Renny's neighbors. Meaning, in this case, Shaymin and Palkia. Which is still plenty powerful, mind you. It's just not excessive like you seem to be wanting it to be.

Menarker answered this one. We discussed this in detail back when it was first made. I don't remember what the hell we agreed on, or even if we agreed on anything, but this is how it ended up.

Geminex

08-01-2010, 09:50 AM

Dracorion

08-01-2010, 10:12 AM

Actually Geminex, you were there.

Here. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=37987&highlight=Staunch+Supporter%27s+Banda&page=5) The argument starts on Page 5 and your first appearance is on Page 7. Which is your only post on the subject, really.

That would imply that you didn't really think it was that big a deal back then.

Geminex

08-01-2010, 10:35 AM

I'm sure that the RPS is broken as hell in half a dozen of different ways. But I'll be waiting to see how exactly it's broken, before I make balancing suggestions. As such, I won't be joining the follow-me discussion.

As for Menarker's item, I find myself siding with Drac. Menarker's first proposal was rather overpowered. I'm fine with AB's suggestion for now. Though that might not last the mission.

Oh wow. Will you just look at that! It's my post! And what a nice post it is. I highlighted the most interesting bits. It seems that, rather than not caring, I decided to wait and bide my time to see what would happen because I have enough humility to recognize that I may occasionally be wrong and enough respect for myself and all of you to try and minimize the amount of times this occurs.
Unlike, needless to say, you.

But anyway, firstly, when I said that I agreed with AB's suggestion, I thought his suggestion was 'Only pokemon adjacent to the holder'. And secondly, even if that weren't the case, I said that my agreement might not last the mission. And guess what. IT DIDN'T.

Dracorion

08-01-2010, 10:42 AM

Oh wow. Will you just look at that! It's my post! And what a nice post it is. I highlighted the most interesting bits. It seems that, rather than not caring, I decided to wait and bide my time to see what would happen because I have enough humility to recognize that I may occasionally be wrong and enough respect for myself and all of you to try and minimize the amount of times this occurs.
Unlike, needless to say, you.

Oh now that's bullshit.

But anyway, firstly, when I said that I agreed with AB's suggestion, I thought his suggestion was 'Only pokemon adjacent to the holder'. And secondly, even if that weren't the case, I said that my agreement might not last the mission. And guess what. IT DIDN'T.

I thought it was pretty clear what AB meant. Granted, he could've put it better, but I figure someone of your INCREDIBLE STRATEGIC GENIOUS OH WOW would've figured it out.

Also, something I forgot to respond to in your last post: is that going to be your excuse when you fail to conquer the world? "Sorry guys, I couldn't overthrow Italy because my internet is crappy?" or "I couldn't conquer France because I was moving across continents!"

Geminex

08-01-2010, 10:53 AM

Oh come now. Do you really think that crappy internet could stop me from conquering Italy, or anything in the world could stop me from conquering France? Honestly, what do you take me for?

Dracorion

08-01-2010, 10:57 AM

The kind of slacker would-be conqueror that would let something as trivial as crossing continents or crappy internet stop him from proving himself right in an argument?

Bard The 5th LW

08-01-2010, 12:27 PM

Is Drac being serious now or not? Seriously, I'm the only troll allowed in this RP!

And Gem is German right? If so, then nothing can stop him from taking France and Italy. Its in his blood.

Dracorion

08-01-2010, 12:29 PM

Is Drac being serious now or not? Seriously, I'm the only troll allowed in this RP!

You're kidding, right?

Bard The 5th LW

08-01-2010, 12:44 PM

You're kidding, right?

I'm the only troll allowed in this RP
.

Dracorion

08-01-2010, 12:45 PM

I contest that.

Pistols at dawn, sir! I challenge you to a troll-off!

Bard The 5th LW

08-01-2010, 12:54 PM

Fine then.

But I reserve rights to cheat.

Menarker

08-01-2010, 08:31 PM

Yeah, be mean to the guy who can't actually check the RP thread because his internet's so fucking crappy (Goddammit, Vodafone). That's like... I dunno, starting a fist-fight with an armless guy? Kicking a guy with no legs? Something along those lines.
Also, Menarker...

Oh, yeah... well, good point, that. Why didn't I speak up earlier? I unno, really... maybe had something to do with the fact that I was moving across continents... hmmm... what do you think?

Not that it matters, anyway, you're totally right, it's far too late to object to that now, better drop it, ri-ahahahahahahahahaNOOOO.

No, seriously. Maybe it was nerfed already, but that isn't enough.
First, yes, I know, pokemon don't gain rage themselves. Of course, the question is, why can an item that's held by a pokemon cause its master to gain rage. It's not Renny holding the ribbon, after all. Despite this, you're insisting that it be Renny's neighbors, whom Renny gains rage for, not Togekiss' neighbors.

Also, in terms of balance, in practice, this little item is gonna triple Renny's potential to get rage from enemy attacks. Assuming that the rage he gets stems equally from attacking and getting attacked, he's effectively doubling his overall potential to gain rage.

Not utterly imbalanced, I'll admit, but certainly stronger than I think is fair, especially considering the ever-increasing value of rage.

Mind you, I'm not sure how to fix it. Just the two allies adjacent to the pokemon, I take it that'd be too weak for you?
...
Hmm. How about this. Affects the two closest pokemon to either side (not humans). In this case, that'd be Nidoqueen, Shaymin, Palkia and Aria.
Renny gets 5 rage every time one of them get rage for taking damage. But to get this rage, Togekiss has to take a certain amount of 'sympathy damage', not too huge, but significant. Maybe 1/4th of the damage taken by the actual target. If this damage is blocked, for whatever reason, Renny gets no rage.

That'd be less exploitable, and it'd have a downside of sorts. How about it?

I'm going to break this down into chunks.

Of course, the question is, why can an item that's held by a pokemon cause its master to gain rage. It's not Renny holding the ribbon, after all. Despite this, you're insisting that it be Renny's neighbors, whom Renny gains rage for, not Togekiss' neighbors.

Then I should ask why Pierce gains rage when his pokemons does a basic attack. Or why Harliette can use the "emotion and rage" gathered by her pokemons attacking or being hit, to empower HER ability to use her shotgun. "Rage" is a misnomer of sort that AB uses because it is convenient enough and kinda implies that both the trainer/slayer/pokebrids and whatever pokemons they have are shared in emotion/passion in some manner or fashion. Despite that, a pokemon can attack (building up rage/emotions) and get hurt (angered/emotional)... but then it could get knocked out... Does that rage disappear because that pokemon who was feeling the rage is now out of combat? No! The result is that the rage still exists as it could be used by the trainer either through Love-Techs (The rage is used on someone who may very well be miles away from one's current location like Pierce/Chizuru), or another pokemon who has not even see the battle and known what is going on, among other examples! Thus your argument (on that point for sure) is pretty much null, since even the most basics of Rage rules and situations is fighting against your argument.

Thematically, Togekiss is the harbringer of peace and happiness and dislike strife (It helps that Renny shares the same personality). The species of Togepis/Togetic/Togekiss all have the ability to comfort and "bless" people. The item just makes that particular trait more of a linked connection with Renny. When Togekiss sees those to itself hurt, it amplifies that innate ability to the point where that "rage" could be a power source for anything its partner/master Renny can use. It's "ability" to protect (Serene Blessing) or attack viciously (Divide/Focus) comes from the rage that is gathered by Renny. So basically, by gathering rage, it is basically giving the option of empowering itself to pay retribution on the foe, or protect someone from further harm.

A couple of things more...

Mind you, I'm not sure how to fix it. Just the two allies adjacent to the pokemon, I take it that'd be too weak for you?

In a double pokemon battle like we have been constantly doing, one of Togekiss's neighbors would always be the other of Renny's pokemon (either to the right or left of Togekiss,) which does not help at all since Renny would gain rage if his own pokemon were hurt anyhow. And yes, so very very narrow to the point of bordering useless.

Also, in terms of balance, in practice, this little item is gonna triple Renny's potential to get rage from enemy attacks. Assuming that the rage he gets stems equally from attacking and getting attacked, he's effectively doubling his overall potential to gain rage.

The item only works upon said neighbors getting hurt and only when Togekiss is on the field (and I use the other pokemons very frequently too, except for perhaps Umbreon). Since the foe's attacks can't be controlled except by negating attacks which would hamper getting rage (AB controls whom the enemy attack) It's really difficult to "exploit" because there is really no matter of control. It's really more of potential insurance to help back up the others, although it doesn't help Renny if his pokemons are the one being attacked.

Hmm. How about this. Affects the two closest pokemon to either side (not humans). In this case, that'd be Nidoqueen, Shaymin, Palkia and Aria.
Renny gets 5 rage every time one of them get rage for taking damage. But to get this rage, Togekiss has to take a certain amount of 'sympathy damage', not too huge, but significant. Maybe 1/4th of the damage taken by the actual target. If this damage is blocked, for whatever reason, Renny gets no rage.

This borders on retarded. Why should Togekiss be hurt just because it is "passionately enraged" with an ally nearby is hurt? Of course, if the neighbors never get hurt, then the rage won't happen to begin with.

Oh, yeah... well, good point, that. Why didn't I speak up earlier? I unno, really... maybe had something to do with the fact that I was moving across continents... hmmm... what do you think?

What I meant was why didn't you object to it in the first battle of the mission where it was used, especially after you came back. Really, the effect was small enough (even when Renny was beside Harliette) that you didn't even notice it until this current second time around, even though I even posted its effect for everyone to notice for when AB would write up his post. The item was made before the mission started. It was fine enough the first time around. And now, we haven't even seen the results of the second time around (I was just reminding AB of the effect) and you're calling out foul play despite the fact that the first result was allowed to pass unmolested or even accepted.

Really, it's a strong item, but not really to the extent that it invalidates other people's items/skills/upgrades, including the RDPA which easily is a menace and you could have next mission if you so wished.

Dracorion

08-02-2010, 11:02 PM

Hey AB, you're a loser!

And you're dumb!

Bard The 5th LW

08-02-2010, 11:53 PM

You never did show up with those pistols at dawn Drac.

D:<

Astral Harmony

08-03-2010, 02:27 AM

I think I decided to just take two days making a post for some reason.

EDIT: It's finally done and right now, I don't give a damn what's wrong with it. I'm so exhausted. I really need to take breaks and do exercises to reset my brain.

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 08:17 AM

So. Bunch of wasted attacks.

Teach me to overestimate unseen opponents again.

Also, Pierce's Rage should be 55, not 45.

Anyway, you know what I'm thinkin'? I'm thinking Charlotte uses Future Shock to take advantage of the water.

Man, Mio turns out to be a Ruin type and both of Pierce's dragons are out of it.

Menarker

08-03-2010, 11:33 AM

*Is pretty happy that the enhanced protection effect worked against an almighty typed attack.*

Well, the dominated Civilian doesn't seem to be a huge threat at all. We could probably just put trainer attacks there, provided Pierce or Charlotte don't flinch from the thought of having to put down a human. ^^; (Charlotte might even have a field day)

The battlebot is basically a Slayer with status immunity and a Sign-Tech that is basically a Normal typed DyamnicPunch. Immune to normal type attacks. Resistant to Rock, Steel, Dark and Fighting.

Cradiliy is noteworthy due to a variety of effects. Fortunately, it can be OHKOed by Kurika.
A: Can't just attack it randomly with pokemons or their items will be stolen and discarded.
B: It reflects special attacks (Thank god I didn't choose that location to Air Slash).
C: If it lands a critical hit, it OHKOs instead of double damage.
D: Its Merc-Tech "ejects" a target from combat for two turns before dealing almighty damage and lower it stats.
E: Its special ability prevents the side effects of attacks (anything that could be boosted by Serene Grace). This won't stop moves that specifically does an effect like Thunder Wave's Paralysis, although it will stop the same status from a Body Slam for example.
F: Solid Rock reduces super effective damage to 3/4. A move that would deal 2x damage will instead deal 1.5x damage, and a move would deal 4x will instead deal 3. (Quoted from Bulbapedia)

Seviper is a bit of a pest...
A: It evades and counters physical attacks. Thank goodness it was attacked by Air Slash instead.
B: Its poison attacks will always inflict "Toxic" level damage.
C: Clear Body prevents stats loss.
D: Marvel Scale increases its defense when it has a status affliction. (Similar to Guts). This means that we COULD use moves like sleep or paralysis, but it'll become sturdier and tougher to beat, even though the base stats of the pokemon is crap. Although it's risky to rely on those statuses because...
E: Skin Skin has 30% chance every turn of removing any non-voltiale status. (Meaning it'll remove poison, sleep, burn, paralysis and anything that would remain with a pokemon even if it was switched out.)
F: It's Merc-Tech seems to be a two target hitter. The first is OHKOed and the other is hit with a noncurable version of Toxic that remains for the whole battle.

Mio is a massive threat, but we know that already, given that she is a boss and a ruin type at that. Best means of measure might be to use those "Anti-Rage-Rockets" on her?
A: Has slightly slayer-ish diversity in attacks while having a ruin types sheer power.
B: Has Ruin type in terms of its resistances and weaknesses.
C: Phantasmal Swipe (Ghost, 200 Power, Always Hit, 50% Death) OUCH!
D: Chroma Edge (Ruin, 200 Power, 100 Acc) OUCH, STABBED!
E: Ion Cluster (Ruin, 2 Targets, 150 Power, 80 Acc) AOE STAB. I hope it misses!
F: Shadow Blade (Dark, 200 Power, 100 Acc, 75% Flinch) Flinches better than my Togekiss or Shaymin. (Although Shaymin is only 5% away atm due to an item)
G: Her Sign-Tech is a powerful and dibilibating tech which will practically force us to be constantly switching out to avoid confusion.

Bard The 5th LW

08-03-2010, 02:35 PM

So why is Mio ten? Seriously, how is that relevant?

Menarker

08-03-2010, 02:51 PM

Perhaps because Faynoc is a pedo in the same way that he displayed his attraction to the picture of Myrie Ricewood? He seems to target those who are either unable to defend themselves, totally naive, or have a "life debt" to him.

Also, the fact that it means that he was tinkering with her body to change her age and thus how she looked. That might make a significant difference in the future.
Let's pretend that Myrie was already kidnapped and tinkered with. (Damn you to hell Faynoc) If given the order to rescue her, PATCA would probably be given a photograph or some sort of visual representative so as to identify her. However, if she was tinkered with, the group might not recognize her as the person they are supposed to help since the photograph would be "out of date", and might end up fighting her (if she was brainwashed) and at worst killing her. Which would be a tragedy.

This might also come into play if the tinkering was also used to evade detection/capture. Could you imagine if Burkmont got a hold of this thing and could change his appearance so charges against him couldn't stick because he'd disappear whenever he could and assume a new identity, probably wait a little before causing havoc?

Now that I think about it, this might be a result of Faynoc tinkering with Ditto DNA for all I know. ^^:

On the other hand, it does mean that none of the PCs can seriously think of having a Love-Tech with Mio without being a pedo-perv, unless it was a strictly platonic love. Not that I think anyone would seriously consider using the limited Love-Tech slots on her when we have so many other ladies. :3

Bard The 5th LW

08-03-2010, 02:53 PM

I see.

My main concern was actually that Mio was Myrie. I forgot the name of Ricewood's daughter.

Pretty heavy nightmare fuel no matter what though. In fact, that post just plain creeped me the fuck out.

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 03:05 PM

Phhbttt. You just have a low squick threshold.

That post certainly didn't creep me out. I've definitely seen and read worse things, especially here on NPF, and didn't bat an eye.

It also works on the other end of the spectrum. From what I hear, I'm the only person in the world that didn't cry at any point during Toy Story 3.

Also, I highly doubt that even if Faynoc modified Myrie's appearance, it would be so much as to make her unrecognizable. Especially now that we know he can do that.

Menarker

08-03-2010, 03:11 PM

You do bring up an interesting point though...

If we're using out of character knowledge, Faynoc's mission was to kidnap Myrie and then lure her mother Jeanette out in the open to kill her. The problem is that girl is clearly not Myrie, but Mio. Unless she was brainwashed to accept a different name... except claiming to be someone other than Myrie would hinder the chances of Jeanette recognizing her daughter and thus falling for the bait. The same would be true if he attempted to change Myrie's looks to look older. Do it too much and Jeanette might not recognize/believe the result to actually be Myrie.

Why would Faynoc be in the plaza in the first place, aside from potentially drumming up supporters? If he has Myrie, why did he not discretly send Jeanette a message? If he doesn't have Myrie, why does he think Myrie would be in the crowd to kidnap her? If he already sent the message, why does he expect Jeanette to mistake Mio for Myrie, especially if there is that age difference?
This is ignoring the possiblity that the message was sent, and Jeanette came for her daughter, but Faynoc didn't bring the real girl along to be cruel/spiteful (and avoiding the chance that the two actually could reunite and get away) and because the girl is also a genetic commander... but we don't know if Faynoc knows that the commanding gene is genetically passed on.

Another thing that bugs me is that re-reading an earlier post, we find out that Idolus wants the Genetic Commanders dead (and he knows that Jeanette is one). Would that change at all since they have a truce with PATCA? (Lexhur might not know about this since this info was discovered/revealed after he defected.) Or are they in the truce only long enough for them for Jeanette to reveal her location before they do the same break-in shit that they did in order to break out Lexhur from the "secure" PATCA headquarters"?

@Drac: Your quick threshold is not so much high, but very specific. >_> Most of the time, you're good. Stuff like Ash crossdressing on the other hand... you had broken down easily. ^^;

Bard The 5th LW

08-03-2010, 03:19 PM

The ash cross-dressing thing didn't really bother me all that much, I just kept going along with it because it bothered Drac so much.There was a lot of invisible text in those posts.

This however, makes me a bit nauseous.

Menarker

08-03-2010, 03:21 PM

For me, it was less squick and more "I love to hate Faynoc" in much the same manner as most people love to hate Umbridge from Harry Potter.

I sympathize with your empathy though. Despite this being a very much outrageous and outgoing RP, it's good to see that the serious stuff is taken with all the gravity it deserves.

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 03:27 PM

dumb

I don't...

Goddamnit, Menarker.

Faynoc hasn't kidnapped Myrie yet. The whole mess in the plaza is a distraction. He's probably got dudes over at Ricewood Masterworks right now raising all kinds of hell and kidnapping the kid.

Another thing that bugs me is that re-reading an earlier post, we find out that Idolus wants the Genetic Commanders dead (and he knows that Jeanette is one). Would that change at all since they have a truce with PATCA? (Lexhur might not know about this since this info was discovered/revealed after he defected.) Or are they in the truce only long enough for them for Jeanette to reveal her location before they do the same break-in shit that they did in order to break out Lexhur from the "secure" PATCA headquarters"?

Meh, AB said the truce would last until Burkmont dies. I don't need to go looking for in-story justification.

@Drac: Your quick threshold is not so much high, but very specific. >_> Most of the time, you're good. Stuff like Ash crossdressing on the other hand... you had broken down easily. ^^;

Uh, no.

What? I mean come on. You really think I could stand to see Faynoc be a disgusting pedophile and yet not stand up to Ash or James crossdressing? I've played FFVII for God's sakes!

No, I was just playin' and laughing my ass off when I pretended to be horrified. It's always fun to do that.

Astral Harmony

08-03-2010, 03:54 PM

Sorry about last night. I was so focused the whole time typing up that post that I came out of it with a headache. Now I know why people sleep. It's to kept the headaches from overthinking away.

I fixed the Rage issue with Pierce, Mio is not Myrie, and Idolus doesn't know that Jeanette, and by inheritance, Myrie are genetic commanders. I doubt that Faynoc's told Gransrax anything. He's in such a deep need for power that he might try to do the same shit as Burkmont and maybe force Jeanette to control the generals for him in exchange for her daughter's safety.

Or he may just forget about all that and indulge in the personal grudge he's held for Ricewood that had stewed for about two decades. Whichever.

But we can pretty much guess. I mean, just look at Moera and Mio. Seems like little human girls that hang around Faynoc lose their humanity pretty damn quick. I think Myrie's in deep ship.

As for Aster insisting the issue of Mio's real age, I don't know why I made him so insistant on it. Maybe he's trying to justify his existence or something.

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 04:07 PM

Hmm... Will Mio get reinforcements as the battle goes on?

Anyway, I'm thinking Pierce should go with his Signature Sequence.

Also, I demand that Rachel use a Full Heal on Palkia or Aria. Or both! Don't tell me you don't want either or both of them when the time comes to beat the shit out of Mio.

Bard The 5th LW

08-03-2010, 04:14 PM

Mio is not Myrie

This only makes me feel slightly better.

Well good thing my PC doesn't give a shit.

But Pierce and Renny, God all of those morals and that integrity is really going to put a damper on things.

You really should have put points towards sociopathy.

Astral Harmony

08-03-2010, 04:14 PM

I want to say yes, but hopefully no new types of enemies. Creating new custom enemies, especially the way I do it which is on the fly, is what consumes the most amount of time in these posts. It doesn't seem like much, and it surprises the shit out of me how much time passes when just doing that part.

Especially those fucking Pokemercs.

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 04:25 PM

Ah, well. I guess we can't wipe out Mio's current allies and leave her all alone.

It would drag this battle on splendidly.

Also Bard, Pierce is more about Righteous Fury.

Bard The 5th LW

08-03-2010, 04:27 PM

Yes, and killing a brainwashed 10 year old is justice!

:knowledge:

Menarker

08-03-2010, 04:30 PM

I don't...

Goddamnit, Menarker.

Faynoc hasn't kidnapped Myrie yet. The whole mess in the plaza is a distraction. He's probably got dudes over at Ricewood Masterworks right now raising all kinds of hell and kidnapping the kid.

I didn't actually say that Faynoc had succeeded in kidnapping Myrie or that he had her already. I was explaining stuff to Bard about how Mio was not Myrie, although I went very convoluted and complicated about it with all sorts of evidence for why it would be impractical to think that Myrie could possibly be Mio (under a different appearance and name).

Mio is not Myrie, and Idolus doesn't know that Jeanette, and by inheritance, Myrie are genetic commanders. I doubt that Faynoc's told Gransrax anything. He's in such a deep need for power that he might try to do the same shit as Burkmont and maybe force Jeanette to control the generals for him in exchange for her daughter's safety.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1040966&postcount=43

This post you made kinda implies that Idolus does know about Jeanette being genetic commander. I included the particular paragraph below.

The visitor put her hands on her hips. "Jeanette Ricewood. You are familiar with her?"
Faynoc could feel his blood boiling. "I would have you silenced for uttering that name in my presense and in my sanctuary, but something makes me pause. What would you say about that whore?"
"She is the genetic commander."
This time, Faynoc did knock his microscope off of the counter. "That whore, are you absolutely certain!?"
"Idolus wants her dead."
Faynoc slowly picked his microscope up off the floor. "That is an impossible demand. I have no physical means by which to kill her."

Unless you're implying that the visitor is saying that Idolus specifically wants Jeanette dead when in reality, Idolus doesn't have a clue.

But we can pretty much guess. I mean, just look at Moera and Mio. Seems like little human girls that hang around Faynoc lose their humanity pretty damn quick. I think Myrie's in deep ship.

That's deep SHIT... unless you're talking about romantic shipping (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Shipping)... which is worse to be honest...

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 04:33 PM

Yes, and killing a brainwashed 10 year old is justice!

:knowledge:

Whoever said anything about killing?

Pierce will choke the bitch that kills Mio.

But he's okay with letting Charlotte have her fun with Faynoc if she gets her hands on him.

Bard The 5th LW

08-03-2010, 04:40 PM

WOOHOO!

:dance:

I suppose Charlotte has had her fill of child killing anyways. She's already taken out Moera, and she offered to kill Regina (or whatever her name is).

Edit: She'll have to finish him off with judgment as well, because it is thematically appropriate.

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 05:16 PM

Maybe saying he's okay with it wasn't quite right.

Rather, he will be okay with it in the near future.

Astral Harmony

08-03-2010, 06:11 PM

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 06:35 PM

Is it Eldys Asherah?

In fact, Pierce's sidequest has a lot of amazing shit in store.

Half of it isn't even mine!

Menarker

08-03-2010, 07:46 PM

That mysterious person who spoke to Faynoc way back when will clear up that little mystery during Pierce's sidequest.

Basically, she isn't a Ruin General, doesn't even work for them, and has very strong reasons for wanting the genetic commanders dead.

In fact, Pierce's sidequest has a lot of amazing shit in store.

>_> Don't you just love it when "way back" when was one chapter ago?

Seriously, next thread, I'm going to to make an database of sort, organizing all the discussion threads alongside their respective RP chapter. (With an extremely brief summary of each discussion thread's content)

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 07:47 PM

I'd like to see you do that last bit.

Menarker

08-03-2010, 07:52 PM

Oh, I'm not going to be building paragraphs upon paragraphs of summed up details. It'll basically be something like...

Topics covered: Updates granted. Debate on *Insert disputed topic*. Discussion related to which RP related combat or character interaction.

Basically, a sort of footnote, so you know which discussion thread is which for when you're searching for a particular post or line of debate that you recall, but don't know which thread.

I promise, it'll be damn useful though. ^^

Dracorion

08-03-2010, 11:28 PM

Hey Menarker, does Sturdy work with Explosion? I mean, if a pokemon with Sturdy uses Explosion?

That would be horribly broken, and I would shift Metagross' ability to Sturdy explicitly for that purpose.

Menarker

08-04-2010, 01:27 AM

If the question is "Does Sturdy interfere with trying to use Explosion", then the answer is "No, it doesn't", since there are several families of pokemons like Geodudes, Magnemites, Pinco and such that all have a Self-Destruct move and the Sturdy Ability.

If the question is, "Does Sturdy combo with Explosion in any way like preventing loss of life while still doing the attack", the answer is "HELL NO". As evident with pokemons like geodudes and magnemites that have the ability but still kill themselves with Explosions, there is emperical evidence that the two do not combine in any manner. Or at least in any way useful.

And if the question is "Does Sturdy protect from Explosion from others" then the answer is "You wish. It only protects against OHKO moves, despite the sheer high power of Explosion and such."

If you want the most powerful single Explosion possible, then you would want Lickilicky who can not only learn Explosion, but gains STAB from it and can wear the Silk Scarf to boost its power even further, making it the single most powerful move in the game legitly (Power of 540 in a massive AOE radius to boot). (Technically, Smergle can do that too, but its ATK stat at 20 is so piss poor, it's barely more than Shuckle as compared to Lickilicky's more respectable base ATK of 85.)

Astral Harmony

08-04-2010, 03:26 AM

Besides, how could that logically work? Wouldn't Explosion kind of blow the Pokemon using it apart? Then all you'd have is a bunch of Sturdy chunks. I can't imagine a Pokemon that can explode without in any way changing its own makeup, regardless of how solid it is.

...Wait, now I can. Hee hee hee. That will be one dangerous Pokemerc.

Dracorion

08-04-2010, 08:21 AM

Oh come on.

Captain Falcon can blow up the fucking solar system and win the game, but one lousy pokemon can't survive blowing itself up?

I call bullshit.

Menarker

08-04-2010, 12:28 PM

>_> I can only imagine someone is going to suppose that Explosions from pokemons like Lickilicky and Stuntank come from some massive fart explosion that rips off its own asshole in the process or something. >_<

ANYHOW, TACTICS! I got a busy day today, so I'm not going to make a huge plan atm. Just a brief proposal.

[Seviper Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte A (Flinch)] [Kingdra Pokebrid] [Dominated Civilian] [Golduck Pokebrid] [Mio Kazetsubaki <Boss>] [Millenium Battlebot] [Noctowl Pokemerc (Sleep/Paralysis)] [Cradily Pokemerc] [Toxicroak Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte B (Sleep)]

WAIT A MINUTE!?

AB: Why is Kingdra pokebrid still in the formation? Your recent RP post stated that Harliette knocked it out in the end after a series of attacks.

Also, forgive me for forgetting... Did you say there was a specific way to fracture armor like the ones on the mech? Or just a lot of heavy damage? Or a specific move like the HM Rock Smash works better?

Also, you had the HoA Acolyte flinched. According to this, it was supposed to be immune to that... The only time it was "flinched" last time was due to Pierce's Null Turn.
HoA Acolyte: Basic Slayer units of the Harbingers of Ascension. Devotion to the cause lends them strength, but little else. Although it doesn't exactly help our group...

- Slayer Attacks: Kris Slash (Steel, 50% Bleed) / Assassin Dart (Ghost, 25% Instant Death) / Powder Bomb (100% Flinch, ACC -1) / Flash Stab (Dark, 50% Flinch) / Firebomb (Fire, 50% Burn)
- Slayer Defenses: Steel, Ghost, Dark, Fire -50% / Flinch, Bleed, Burn Immunity / Physical Counter 100%
- Signature Technique: Sacrifical Lamb ~ Self Targeted, 50% Transform. If failed, Death is afflicted. The cultist takes out a syringe and injects himself or herself. More successful during Low Morale and Overwhelming Tide. Costs 0/100 Rage.

[Seviper Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte A (Flinch)] [Golduck Pokebrid] [Mio Kazetsubaki <Boss>] [Millenium Battlebot] [Noctowl Pokemerc (Sleep/Paralysis)] [Cradily Pokemerc] [Toxicroak Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte B (Sleep)]

There... now that I altered the formation a bit to reflect the real number of troops...

Hmmm... due to there being too many foes immune to physical or to statuses (Battlebot, Golduck in Paradigm mode and Mio), and some other foes beaten in much more effective ways, I don't think Pierce's Null turn ability is useful anymore... >_>

Cradily: Can be OHKOED. Wilhelmina should get rage rockets so she can take care of it ASAP.

Toxicroak: Air Slash from either Togekiss or Shaymin will flinch it 100% and do heavy damage. No point wasting more resources on it when we can defeat it slowly without retribution. Note however that he must be taken out with some speed since he regains health when exposed to water (such as the water fountain water that is at the foe's feet.)

Battlebot: If we can get Matt to hack it, great. Otherwise, we'll take care of it the same way we deal with mechs.

Noctowl: Already weaken. Another two special typed electric attacks should finish it (I say two because of the water weakening it a bit in exchange for splash effect.) Because Cradily should be OHKOed by now, the splash should be hitting Toxicroak for neutral damage, but speeding up the process of knocking him out.

Seviper: Needs to be hit with special type attacks, preferably Psychic typed or Earth Power. (Immune to physical moves and thus our OKHO and our Super Fang). Status moves have a chance to fall off him.

HoA Acolyte: Should probably be dealt with before they spam their 100% flinch move or attempt to suicide themselves into a super mode. EDIT: Just realized they could be OHKOed too, if we're willing to spend the rage doing that next turn on Wilhelmina or something.

Golduck Pokebrid: Packs a decent punch and large movepool, but nothing super special otherwise. Has no weaknesses and is immune to status conditions. Probably best to ignore.

Mio: Focus what's left of our attacks on her. We should cure Pierce's Palkia and have it go Testament Drive on her for MASSIVE Quad Effective Dragon type damage. ^^

If you got a objection to the above, don't bother complaining to me. Just elaborate a "better" one. I got a busy day ahead of me and I might not be able to respond for quite a while.

Astral Harmony

08-04-2010, 02:51 PM

I put colors in the formation to reflect status. That dark grey reflects death, though I guess it would've been better to get rid of them.

Dracorion

08-04-2010, 03:04 PM

So the dominated civilian is already dead because that's the one that Renny killed?

Welp, one less thing to worry about.

Menarker

08-04-2010, 11:41 PM

So the dominated civilian is already dead because that's the one that Renny killed?

Welp, one less thing to worry about.

You must have been trolling with that one, because you'd have to be an idiot to actually believe that sack of crap for one sec. :3

>_> Renny wasn't the one who killed that Civilian, or even harmed it at all. Togekiss and Shaymin hit the very left most targets possible, Seviper and Acyolyte (Proof being that AB gave it the flinch status despite its immunity to it. So it has to be something that was attacking that could give Flinch status, otherwise AB wouldn't bother.)

Also, target A and B were only hit once, by Renny's pokemon. However, the description of the Civilian was...

The Fog of War being blasted back revealed something terrible. A slaughtered human. So many attacks had fallen down on him and left him unrecognizeable. Even the shotgun he held was rendered unusuable.

A multitude of attacks did it in. So it has to be one of the slots that multiple allies attacked.

The Civilian was slot D, meaning that Moon, Harliette, Impact, Charlotte and Pierce were the ones who attacked it.

>_> Nice try blaming it on Renny, but he is totally innocent for that target.

Dracorion

08-04-2010, 11:43 PM

Actually, according to AB's post it was just Charlotte. Really, every attack after Harliette was wasted.

Menarker

08-04-2010, 11:49 PM

Everyone still attacked that location. Yes, your character beated up on someone already dead, although your statement is true that every attack after Harliette was wasted. >_> Shame.

But Moon and Charlotte were the ones who attacked it while he was still alive. Not that it really matters. ^^;

Bard The 5th LW

08-05-2010, 12:10 AM

Charlotte is very happy with that result. The whole dominated civilian thing is really a relief.

Finally she gets to murder something without the fear of it joining her team later. It is quite difficult to restrain herself from capping Moon/Shannon. Even more so because they seem to have forgotten about it. She wants them to hold a grudge.

Almost forgot.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/208/e/2/YOUR_SH1RT_SM3LL5_T45TY_by_Koi_Suru_Kokoro.png

I spared you the Yaoi this time because you're all a bunch of little girls, instead I went with an inter-species crack pairing.

Prefer KarkatxTerezi myself.

Menarker

08-05-2010, 02:09 AM

Hehe. That's better.

I noticed that Seviper has already attempted to use its Merc-Tech, but it was wasted thanks to Serene Grace on Impact. Impact should probably be very happy of Togekiss/Renny at that point. ^^

Since Merc-Techs can only be used once, that means Seviper is not as huge as threat as I originally thought, although it can still be terrible pest with Earthquake and 100% Toxic on top of STAB poison attacks.

PROPOSED PLAN

Rachel: Two rage rockets to Wilhelmina. Wilhelmina is at 60 rage.
Wilhelmina: Sniper OHKO Cradily.
Renny:
Shaymin uses Air Slash on Toxicroak. 100% flinch and STAB Amplified Super Effective Damage (Sky Shaymin has absurb Special attack too)
Togekiss use Helping Hand on Palkia.
Pierce:
Pierce uses a Full Restore on Palkia (I assume you have one?)
Palkia use Testament Drive on Mio for Quad Effective damage with Helping Hand Boost. (Don't know if Testament Drive is amplified)
Impact: I dunno. Do you think he should save his rage and just attack, or should he call out the enforcers to start beating up the Acolytes and shit?
Charlotte:
Pike uses Thunder for STAB Amplifed Super Effective damage on Noctowl which get reduced due to splash. Splash hit Toxicroak for neutral damage.
Arceus uses Testament Drive on Mio? (What plate does Arceus have on him, if any? Did Charlotte remove the Toxic plate that was on him?)

Matthias: I want him to be able to use his hacking ability... however, because he needs 100 rage to do that, it might be better if we have him Paradigm Shift and Spam STAB amplified Hyper Beams in Porygon Z mode. Acolyte A preferably.
Harriette:
Wormadam use Psychic on Seviper for Amplified Super Effective Damage.
Illumise's Helping Hand on Moon's Starmie.
Charge Bolt on Noctowl for Super Effective Amplified damage on Noctowl which get reduced due to splash. Splash hit Toxicroak for neutral damage.

Moon:
Starmie (Shannelle) use Psychic for STAB Amplified Helping Hand Super Effective Attack on Seviper.

Lanturn uses Discharge on Seviper and Acolyte A. Don't know if it'll spread even further due to the water. STAB, Amplified.

Lexhur: Has 300 rage. I think best to save that rage for next turn when we have 400 for Lexhur's Laser.

End result:

Cradily: KOed
Noctowl: Pretty sure it's KOed.
Toxicroak: 100% flinched if not dead already due to a super effective attack and 2 splash attacks on it.
Mio: Harsh damage inflicted.
Seviper: Probably KOed.
Acolyte A: Pretty sure it's KOed.

Forgive me if I missed someone or something. Been feeling tired a lot lately. Preparing for a vacation trip.

Astral Harmony

08-05-2010, 04:05 AM

Don't feel too guilty about fighting Dominated Civilians. I mean, yes, it is very in-character for a good guy feeling like shit for killing an innocent, but there's nothing you can do for Dominated Civilians. They're pretty much weapon-toting zombies by that point. Kill 'em or feel sorry for 'em as they kill you. It's your choice.

Though Dominated Civilians won't make many appearances. Even less than Asuras. Mainly because even though they're interesting enemies, they're just terribly weak.

Ah, and here're the other colors for the formation:

Blue = 100% healthy and unmolested.
Cyan or some other brighter blue = minor damage has been dealt to the target overall.
Green = good damage has been dealt to the target overall.
Yellow = great damage has been dealt to the target overall.
Orange = severe damage has been dealt to the target overall.
Red = critical damage has been dealt to the target overall.
Gray = the target is defeated. Be careful when Atunhands are about.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 08:40 AM

Okay, first, Matthias doesn't get any Rage in Paradigm Shift (except maybe from being attacked? I'm not sure), so it might be best to save up his Rage and then have 'im hack the Battlebot, or use a couple of Rage Rockets on him.

If Charlotte's Arceus still has the Toxic Plate, it can use Judgment on either HoA Acolyte for super-effective damage.

I'd rather not use Impact's C,C&C until he has enough Rage to call in all the Enforcers, or at least four out of five.

We really should use Charlotte's Future Shock at some point, you know.

Keep in mind that we have the option of not knocking out either the HoA Acolyte or Seviper. We can use Lexhur Laser next turn and that would finish one of 'em off. Yes, I'm proposing centering it on Miyo because that would be way more damage than if she was a side target.

I'm thinking we could very well have Miyo defeated by next turn, you know.

AB, how does splash on electric attacks work? Does it hit the enemies on both sides of the main target, or do we have to pick one adjacent enemy for the splash to hit?

Menarker

08-05-2010, 11:57 AM

>_< I forgot that A said we need to have 3 defogs per turn to prevent more fog from springing up and clouding the foes...

Unless it's gone for good now? Since...
A mighty soundwave rippled outward, obliterating the rest of the fog. They saw two people on the other side. A man in expensive robes with pale white skin and a face similar to a Lugia. Definitely Reynold Faynoc. And the woman next to him.
It sounded like it was annoying the other side too.

Good idea on Toxic Plate Judgement being used on the Acolyte. That should be probably a OHKO due to STAB, amplification, high Special Attack, and that both Acolytes are weaken, according to AB's more elaborated description of the color damage chart.

The thing about the battlebot/Matthias is that we're trading in one attacker (Matthias) for another (battlebot). True we lose an enemy in the process, but for 40 extra rage which we can't afford now and thus have to wait a turn with that bot still alive, I'd think a 300 power Hyper Beam (Matt has improved STAB) with his INCREDIBLY HIGH special attack being doubled by amplfier plus the bonus of not dealing with cooldown times is plenty effective.

Future Shock would be weakened due to the water causing it to ripple and splash and next turn, the water is going to be on the Watchmen's side in addition to the enemy side with its already huge AOE. I don't want 50% paralysis constantly hitting our group every turn! Charlotte would be better spending her rage on Focus, Divide or Testament Drive with her brand new legendary.

Centering the laser on Mio was my intent too.

PROPOSED PLAN (Modified)

Rachel:Two rage rockets to Wilhelmina. Wilhelmina is at 60 rage.
Wilhelmina: Sniper OHKO Cradily.
Renny:
Shaymin uses Air Slash on Toxicroak. 100% flinch and STAB Amplified Super Effective Damage (Sky Shaymin has absurb Special attack too)
Togekiss use Helping Hand on Palkia.
Pierce:
Pierce uses a Full Restore on Palkia (I assume you have one?)
Palkia use Testament Drive on Mio for Quad Effective damage with Helping Hand Boost. (Don't know if Testament Drive is amplified)
Impact: Use a rage rocket item on himself to prepare for CC&C next turn.
Charlotte:
Pike uses Thunder for STAB Amplifed Super Effective damage on Noctowl which get reduced due to splash. Splash hit Toxicroak for neutral damage.
Arceus (Poison type with Toxic Plate) uses Judgement on Acolyte A for Super Effective STAB Amplified damage.

Matthias: Porygon Z Paradigm Shift! Hyper Beam on Acolyte B. Improved STAB (2x damage instead of 1.5) making the attack 300 Power, Amplified HUGE Special Attack stat.
Harriette:
Wormadam use Psychic on Seviper for Amplified Super Effective Damage.
Illumise's Helping Hand on Moon's Starmie.
Charge Bolt on Noctowl for Super Effective Amplified damage on Noctowl which get reduced due to splash. Splash hit Toxicroak for neutral damage.

Moon:
Starmie (Shannelle) use Psychic for STAB Amplified Helping Hand Super Effective Attack on Seviper.

Lanturn uses Discharge on Seviper and the target beside it (Presumably Golduck if the Acolyte dies). Don't know if it'll spread even further due to the water and it already being AOE. STAB, Amplified.

Lexhur: Has 300 rage. Do nothing this turn.

End result:

Cradily: KOed by Sniper Kill
Noctowl: Pretty sure it's KOed. Already weakened and two Super Effective attacks on it.
Toxicroak: 100% flinched if not dead already due to a super effective attack and 2 splash attacks on it.
Mio: Harsh damage inflicted.
Seviper: Likely it is KOed. Two super effective attacks, one boosted with Helping Hand, and a neutral attack. Already weaken a bit by previous's round's Air Slash.
Acolyte A: Pretty sure it's KOed.
Acolyte B: Pretty sure it's KOed.
Golduck: Probably hit by Discharge for neutral damage due to paradigm shift.
Battlebot: Untouched unless water spread electric attacks from Noctowl both ways.

This leaves Golduck, Mio, Battlebot to be the estimated force next round with a low chance of Toxicroak or Seviper still being alive, barring reinforcements.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 02:18 PM

Ah, screw it, let's go with your plan.

Miyo will probably get reinforcements this turn so we probably won't waste two perfectly good hits from Lexhur's Laser.

Although I might suggest against adding an "End Result" to your plans. Or at least, not to the plan we finalize and post in the RP thread. Power of suggestion, you know? I'd rather AB didn't subconsciously go with or against the results we would like.

Astral Harmony

08-05-2010, 04:04 PM

For lightning splash due to water, 50% actually hits the designated target, while two bolts of 25% jump around. They could hit either of the units next to the target, or maybe even jump across the battlefield and smack into one of you.

Unfortunately, even Focus can't overcome this bizarre dilemma.

Just be sure to keep up on defogging. If you lower your guard, the enemy might just try that shit again.

Geminex

08-05-2010, 06:19 PM

Menarker:

First, bit of a newsflash. Insulting people or their suggestions, does not, against all expectations, cause them to agree with you.
...
Now excuse me while I show massive disregard for my own advice your momma's fat

Ahem.
Really, my point stands. This item alone, the way it is now, is gonna more or less double Renny's rage. Do the math.
Now, I don't know, but I think, if I suggested a custom accessory that gave Impact double rage generation with no downside, you'd all be having a contest to see who can scream 'HELL NO' loudest (and it would be Drac). If you think such an item's overpowered for Impact, none of you, (and that includes you, AB) should be ok with Togekiss' little bandana. Mind you, if you don't think that the bandana's overpowered, fair enough. I'll have double rage for Impact, please.
And really, how was my nerf retarded? Sympathy damage is thematic and at least offers some kind of a downside, even if only a minor one. And hell, my original thought, that it only affected togekiss' adjacent ones isn't 'bordering on useless' either. Since you'd be getting double rage when your other pokemon gets attacked, and standard rage when togekiss' neithbor gets attacked. Over the couse of a battle, that can be quite a lot. If you call that 'bordering on useless' you have to lower your expectations.
Also, I was thinking about one-liners that Impact could insert his name into. Yes, I have a life now (or I would if college wasn't a life-sucking educational vampire), but hell, I'm still bored sometimes. I came up with the following...

(Burkmont's been defeated, his uber-mech exploded, he's trying to make good his escape in an emergency escape pod)

hellsTactician has started trolling sexyGeneralissimo

hT: Aah, General. I had thought you would attempt escape.
hT: How nice to be proven right. And what a nice escape pod.
hT: Mach 2, the sensors tell me.
hT: What sensors, you ask? Why, the SA missile batteries'. And the interceptors'.
hT: You see, when your mech exploded, most of Prideguard decided that it would be wise to reevaluate their current alleigances.
hT: It seems that ruling through power only works as long as you have power. I'll have to remember that.
hT: In any case, the majority now have gone back to following the legitimate government.
hT: And that wants you dead.
hT: I wonder where you're going. What allies do you have? Who'd be willing to take you in now?
hT: Pity I'll never find out. You see, at the moment there are over three dozen air-air and ground-air missiles approaching your craft.
hT: Looks like they really want to make sure, eh?
hT: You've lost, general. No more troops, no more weapons. No more power. And you never had a chance. Because see, it all comes down to leadership. And I'm miles beyond you on that count. Checkmate, general. And the missiles are closing in. Five seconds until.
sG: Until what?
hT: IMPACT, MOTHERFUCKER.

sexyGeneralissimo's computer has been destroyed by missile warheads

hT: Beauty.

hellsTactician has ceased trolling sexyGeneralissimo

AB. MAKE THIS HAPPEN. MY PULCHRITUDE COMPELS YOU.

Also, yeah. College has begun for me. I have had very little time.
I seriously am not certain quite how this is gonna continue. The amount of time available to me is gonna decrease, rather than increase. And even when I get a good internet connection, I'd really have to see.
If this weren't so big, this would probably be the point where I'd drop out altogether, but hell. This is Umbral. The only way you leave Umbral... is feet-first.
Well, or by just not posting anymore. One of the two.
Anyway, I certainly intend to do neither. But more than one post a day, maybe two, won't be likely (and I'd still miss one or two days a week). And not long posts either. I'll need to appoint someone else to look after balance for me (because I still firmly believe that it's necessary).
...
Or, y'know, I somehow get you all to act in good faith when you choose powers for yourselves.
But anyway, that's the next 3 years in general. The immediate future will probably result in very rare activity for the next 10 days, then more frequent posts for 4 weeks (visiting my family), then pretty frequent posts for a few days, then the 1 post/2days thing.
Mind you, the fact that I'm gone shouldn't encourage you to feel anything but a dull foreboding, gainst the time I return.

Prefer KarkatxTerezi myself.
oh noooo

And Drac, I totally cried. It was utterly heart-breaking when those toys survived. I mean, you'd think we'd get to see woody incinerated, but noooo...

Aaaand I'm gone. Smell ya later. Especially Menarker's mother. Because the smells. And she is fat.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 07:20 PM

I'll have double rage for Impact, please.

You already got that. You asked for double Rage for Slayers and Pokebrids, remember? Besides, you're getting your RPDA soon, and it's customizable. You could have it give Impact like 300/100 RPs or something.

Also, yeah. College has begun for me. I have had very little time.
I seriously am not certain quite how this is gonna continue. The amount of time available to me is gonna decrease, rather than increase. And even when I get a good internet connection, I'd really have to see.
If this weren't so big, this would probably be the point where I'd drop out altogether, but hell. This is Umbral. The only way you leave Umbral... is feet-first.
Well, or by just not posting anymore. One of the two.
Anyway, I certainly intend to do neither. But more than one post a day, maybe two, won't be likely (and I'd still miss one or two days a week). And not long posts either. I'll need to appoint someone else to look after balance for me (because I still firmly believe that it's necessary).

You know what I heard?

HEY AB, GIMMAH SUPER-DEMON POWERS AND AND BEING ABLE TO DEPLOY FIFTEEN XTH-LEVEL LEGENDARIES AT A TIME.

...
Or, y'know, I somehow get you all to act in good faith when you choose powers for yourselves.

Now I'm not going to just to spite you.

Mind you, the fact that I'm gone shouldn't encourage you to feel anything but a dull foreboding, gainst the time I return.

Did you say get lulled to a false sense of a security?

Why yes, I believe you did!

And Drac, I totally cried. It was utterly heart-breaking when those toys survived. I mean, you'd think we'd get to see woody incinerated, but noooo...

Man, you can't expect to conquer the world if you cry because of an animate inanimate toy in a movie.

In regards to Menarker's item, I haven't seen it be overpowered yet. Keep in mind that I was the one who was against it from the start.

That said, the second he gets more than 30 Rage in one turn you can be damn sure I'm going to choke a bitch.

Hey AB, with Geminex not being so active anymore methinks we need a new leader!

Gnehehehehe hehehahahahaha HEHEHEHEHEH-- Ahem-hem, why no, I was not just laughing evily, why do you ask?

Bard The 5th LW

08-05-2010, 07:40 PM

Hey AB, with Geminex not being so active anymore methinks we need a new leader!

Charlotte is up to the task.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 08:09 PM

Welp, it's unanimous.

Charlotte is the new leader.

All Hail the Dark Mistress Ursaring!

Menarker

08-05-2010, 09:34 PM

Menarker:

Ahem.
Really, my point stands. This item alone, the way it is now, is gonna more or less double Renny's rage. Do the math.
Now, I don't know, but I think, if I suggested a custom accessory that gave Impact double rage generation with no downside, you'd all be having a contest to see who can scream 'HELL NO' loudest (and it would be Drac). If you think such an item's overpowered for Impact, none of you, (and that includes you, AB) should be ok with Togekiss' little bandana. Mind you, if you don't think that the bandana's overpowered, fair enough. I'll have double rage for Impact, please.

And really, how was my nerf retarded? Sympathy damage is thematic and at least offers some kind of a downside, even if only a minor one. And hell, my original thought, that it only affected togekiss' adjacent ones isn't 'bordering on useless' either. Since you'd be getting double rage when your other pokemon gets attacked, and standard rage when togekiss' neithbor gets attacked. Over the couse of a battle, that can be quite a lot. If you call that 'bordering on useless' you have to lower your expectations.

First of all, I wish you luck with college.

Secondly, you're grossly mistaken about Togekiss's item. Renny would not gain an additional rage if any of his pokemons were hit. (It's like the item doesn't trigger) It would only trigger when...
A: Togekiss is out. (And thus, it is stopped if Togekiss gets knocked out). It is like Togekiss wearing a sign saying "Stop me ASAP or my master and all his friends will fuck up your day. Thank you! <3" Although most foes would not know this in-character, but those who know about the species in general
should know that Togekisses are powerful to begin with, and are bad news.

B: Injury is caused by the foe. It happens only with something bad is happened, and it can't be prevented. Also because it is pretty much up to AB who the foes attack, this pretty much prevents any sort of exploitation.

C: Said injury happens to the closest commanding ally and their pokemons to the left and right side of Renny. Those farther away and those who already belong to Renny don't count.

In practicality, the item hasn't shown any sign of being overpowered at all, like Drac said. And in order for it to get anything like 30 rage in a standard situation which Drac would hate, Renny's allies would have to be hit 6 times in that turn! (And that's assuming that Togekiss isn't knocked out early in the phase, thus preventing Renny from getting rage from his allies) A really far-fetched situation that the enemies would think of focusing on those specific set of targets out of all other targets.

Thirdly, as Drac said, you already did got increased rage, and are getting a very powerful upgrade in the form of either your RDPA or your half demon upgrades.
That said, I wouldn't object to you getting a technique or item that boosted your rage generation if it was reasonably plausible and not exploitable and you were eligible to receive it as per AB's upgrade scale. Feel free to post something up a bit. Heck, I suggested giving Drac's custom demon-pokemon monster a very high power rating. It's possible that I would grant something quite useful for you.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 09:45 PM

In practicality, the item hasn't shown any sign of being overpowered at all, like Drac said. And in order for it to get anything like 30 rage in a standard situation which Drac would hate, Renny's allies would have to be hit 6 times in that turn! (And that's assuming that Togekiss isn't knocked out early in the phase, thus preventing Renny from getting rage from his allies) A really far-fetched situation that the enemies would think of focusing on those specific set of targets out of all other targets.

I didn't say 30 Rage from the item. I said 30 Rage in one turn. Renny already gets 10 Rage for having his pokemon attack, so all it takes is Renny's pokemon or his allies getting hit four times and that's not quite so far-fetched.

It's possible that I would grant something quite useful for you.

This is the part where Gem says something along the lines of "you don't get to decide what upgrades I get, bitch. I decide yours."

Menarker

08-05-2010, 09:59 PM

If it helps you feel any better, the techniques Renny uses the rage for mainly directly support the team, giving them their chance to shine. ^^

Anyhow, something to discuss now that AB answered my fog question. What should we do regarding flying/attacks and defog? AB said he wouldn't allow us to use Flying attacks to attack someone and the fog again at the same time anymore, like last time.
I'm willing to spend 25 rage to have Shaymin use Divide so that extra attack goes to the fog. However, according from what AB said, we would need two more "defog" techniques. Is that right, AB?

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 10:01 PM

Buh? If you use Divide, wouldn't that be two out of three needed to dispel the fog permanently*?

*permanently being until the enemy kicks it up again.

Menarker

08-05-2010, 10:14 PM

The first Air Slash is being used on Toxicroak to 100% flinch him and do heavy damage to him. AB won't allow attacks that are focused on an actual target to work on the fog anymore.

Although as an alternative option, if Rachel could spend 25 rage to give Renny 25 rage, then I could have Togekiss use Divided Air Slash on the fog, making that all three needed. Then we will have Harliette's Illumise use its Helping Hand on your Palkia intead of on Moon's Starmie.
The drawback to this option is that Rachel spends 25 rage and there is a higher chance that Seviper will live. The payoff is that we get the fog dealt with for this turn.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 10:19 PM

Riiiight.

Okay, from what I understood of AB's post, the coast is clear. That is, there's no fog.

Unless the enemies decide to cover themselves up in that shit again.

Menarker

08-05-2010, 10:27 PM

The coast is clear now. However, if we don't do the defog thing, then the fog will reappear at the end of this turn and we'll have to spend the next turn blind while they re-arrange their forces, with perhaps some new allies on their sides we don't know about. I'd rather be able to use Lexhur's Laser (focused on Mio) as soon as possible without having to guess who is who and that sort of thing.

AB is saying (from what I'm understanding) that maintaining the massive gusts of wind and thus makes the foes unable to set the fog back on as cover.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 10:35 PM

Yeah, but that would require the foes choosing to start up the fog in the first place.

Which they might not do. They could just try to kill us straight.

AB, do we have to use Defog three times every turn to keep the Fog away?

Menarker

08-05-2010, 10:59 PM

I am under a speculative impression that whomever was creating the fog was probably someone in the background like Faynoc or some other supporter, and that those guys would probably relish every oppurtunity to spam fogs, leaving their fighters to fight without having to divert their attention to creating a fog... that is if the supporter's efforts weren't hampered by the gusts of winds we create to stop them.

Still, your question is worth asking.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 11:02 PM

I guess I just don't wanna face the possibility that those fuckers are getting free Fog of War.

Astral Harmony

08-05-2010, 11:42 PM

AB. MAKE THIS HAPPEN. MY PULCHRITUDE COMPELS YOU.

I'm sorry, Dave. I cannot do that.

No, seriously, that won't happen. Burkmont isn't even going to escape. He's not a coward. He'll fight to his last and die an honorable death, but that's only if you kill him. I have this idea for the sequel involving Mecha Burkmont 2.0 and...

Hey AB, with Geminex not being so active anymore methinks we need a new leader!

Honestly, I might be on board with Bard being the leader. Impact may not be scared of Pierce, but I'd like to see him try some shit with Charlotte. I'd laugh the whole damn rest of the RP.

Anyhow, something to discuss now that AB answered my fog question. What should we do regarding flying/attacks and defog? AB said he wouldn't allow us to use Flying attacks to attack someone and the fog again at the same time anymore, like last time.
I'm willing to spend 25 rage to have Shaymin use Divide so that extra attack goes to the fog. However, according from what AB said, we would need two more "defog" techniques. Is that right, AB?

The way I put it out, I figured it might just make sense. Basically, you're supposed to treat the Fog of War like an L-size enemy all its own. Just like Matthias's joke indicates, you actually do attack the darkness. You can Divide an attack so it hits the Fog of War twice and counts as two defogs. After all, the fog is really big.

AB, do we have to use Defog three times every turn to keep the Fog away?

Hmmm...now that you ask this question, I guess not. I mean, the fog isn't there anymore, so why should you have to defog it when it's not even there?

There you what. On a turn when Fog of War isn't there, you can keep it at bay with just two defoggings. That's easy enough, right?

Tomorrow I'll be on duty and I'm going to be spending tonight on City of Heroes, saving some sprite sheets to make the Pokemon Umbral sprite comic tomorrow which'll be posted on Sunday, and going through my favorite website for naughty pictures for the discussion threads. I think I got, like, seven right now, but it never hurts to be prepared. We go through discussion threads like I go through 12-packs of A&W.

Dracorion

08-05-2010, 11:46 PM

I'm going to choke a bitch.

That bitch is you.

Bard The 5th LW

08-06-2010, 12:00 AM

Honestly, I might be on board with Bard being the leader. Impact may not be scared of Pierce, but I'd like to see him try some shit with Charlotte. I'd laugh the whole damn rest of the RP.

KICK. ASS.

Edit: Umbral sprite comic? I suppose that sounds neat.

Menarker

08-06-2010, 12:14 AM

PROPOSED PLAN (Modified)

Rachel:Two rage rockets to Wilhelmina. Wilhelmina is at 60 rage.

Wilhelmina: Sniper OHKO Cradily.

Renny: *Pays 25 rage for Togekiss to use Divide*
Shaymin uses Divided Air Slash on Toxicroak. 100% flinch and STAB Amplified Super Effective Damage (Sky Shaymin has absurb Special attack too).
Togekiss uses Air Slash twice (Divide) to prevent fog from emerging.

Harriette:
Wormadam use Psychic on Seviper for Amplified Super Effective Damage.
Illumise's Helping Hand on Pierce's Palkia.
Charge Bolt on Noctowl for Super Effective Amplified damage on Noctowl which get reduced due to splash. Splash hit Toxicroak for neutral damage.

Pierce:
Pierce uses a Full Restore on Palkia (I assume you have one?)
Palkia use Testament Drive on Mio for Quad Effective damage with Helping Hand Boost. (Don't know if Testament Drive is amplified)

Impact: Use a rage rocket item on himself to prepare for CC&C next turn.

Charlotte:
Pike uses Thunder for STAB Amplifed Super Effective damage on Noctowl which get reduced due to splash. Splash hit Toxicroak for neutral damage.
Arceus (Poison type with Toxic Plate) uses Judgement on Acolyte A for Super Effective STAB Amplified damage.

Matthias: Porygon Z Paradigm Shift! Hyper Beam on Acolyte B. Improved STAB (2x damage instead of 1.5) making the attack 300 Power, Amplified HUGE Special Attack stat.

Moon:
Starmie (Shannelle) use Psychic for STAB Amplified Super Effective Attack on Seviper.

Lanturn uses Discharge on Seviper and the target beside it (Presumably Golduck if the Acolyte dies). Don't know if it'll spread even further due to the water and it already being AOE. STAB, Amplified.

Lexhur: Has 300 rage. Do nothing this turn.

Approve? Disapprove?