Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy continues Squeenix's tradition of stupid titles

[POS Industries]

Word from the floor has Celes confirmed. (http://www.1up.com/news/sony-tgs-stage-show-live)

[Regulus Tera]

The trailer showed Tifa at the end too.

[POS Industries]

Glad to see they're injecting a little more estrogen into the cast, at least.

Then again, Lightning's manlier than most of the Cosmos warriors already.

[Regulus Tera]

Famitsu summary:

"As with the previous game, the narrator describes a world where the two gods Cosmos and Chaos fight. There is a scene where the new fighter Lightning goes against the Warrior of Light, as well as a scene where Kain attacks Bartz, as well as other interesting scenes. A scene with Kuja talking to Zidane, and another with Cloud and Kuja having a conversation. Are they on different sides than they were in the first game? Or is it because they’ve lost their memories? Also, Cecil and the Onion Knight are talking on what looks like an airship, and Cloud wears a new costume. You can also see the Emperor and Golbez, as well as Kefka among other characters from the previous game. At the end you can see Tifa say to Sephiroth ‘Who are you?’”

No mention of Celes.

[POS Industries]

Yeah, later reports seem to suggest that the person who reported Celes meant to type "Cecil."

[Regulus Tera]

Edgar still up for the job then. <3

[POS Industries]

Edgar would be a hoot. Nomura had hinted in earlier interviews that Locke was someone he was interested in putting for the original, but for the life of me I have no idea how they'd make him stand out visually or gameplay-wise.

With Tifa in, however, we can say for certain that Sabin won't be joining the fight. Setzer's probably a longshot, too, seeing as Tifa's undoubtedly going to be making use of his roulette mechanic.

[Regulus Tera]

http://i52.tinypic.com/kdms8i.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/6p6irr.jpg

That's Aya Brea's outfit from The 3rd Birthday.

[POS Industries]

Oh DLC. You so crazay.

[Regulus Tera]

http://i51.tinypic.com/vcw7xs.jpg

I'm half-expecting Snake to be the alternate outfit of someone. That dude gets everywhere.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Goddammt I want Sabin...
...include Celes in this one. Every time I think about it, I think of... Terra... and how awesome it was.
I want FFXII's Cid
I wouldn't mind Seeing General Leo and General Beatrix in...
...far more important characters
...it's probably going to be Vincent...I see him going in first...then probably Barret or Tifa...I'd also love to have the chance to make Aerith...make it in...Zidane...
I'd prefer Tellah...to fill...Strago...
Oh gods...Making Kain Highwind...is like...Shadow the Hedgehog...in...Celes
...I want...
...Jecht...squishies...one evil, one good...are they going to pull out?...Warmech?!
...I'm also hoping for some...
...Fighter...in...Red Mage...pimpingness...Bikke...go down too easily to...
...Cid...
...Ramza...Delita...
...Noctis and Stell...
...and Ultima...
I'm guessing we'll probably end up with a Kingdom Hearts character or two...
...I doubt they'll put...
...out...but even there I have to imagine that being...married to...Seifer, Yuna, Vaan, and Prishe...likely to get in...
...I think Rinoa might be a much more interesting and workable...
...Hurry up and start workin' for...an even greater douche...say, Irvine.
I would say yes...but...
...the main love interest is...11...people...
...Seifer and crew...


To be continued....

[Inbred Chocobo]

...Terra has...Vivi...and...is...watching it make sexy poses in the mirror and call itself a stud...since 2006...
None of the shotoclones...
...lacked the kind of...service that only...female characters...could provide...would have been...awesome...to play with...
...goddamn mexican...
...Lightning obviously has her...stuff intact...so they'll likely do something...
I...want to get involved in this...service...Personally I'm hoping for Mayor Dobe...
I...demand...
...either Seifer, or Rinoa, or Zell, or Quistis, or Irving, or Laguna, or Ward, or Kir...' well you get the point.
...porn...
...of...Mayor Dobe...
...going to make it...I want...
...Laguna because of his Machine Gun...
...Quistis...her whip...
...really stands a chance of putting Vincent...on...a...popular pair of tits
...pedophile...
...13...Nomura...loves him some...
...I...see them removing...a lot...

Yeah, thats as far as I read into NPF's perverted talk of Dissidia. Gawd, you guys really need to get your minds out of the gutter.

[bluestarultor]

Looks like the assist bars fill up either from doing damage or possibly from EX orbs. It's hard to tell.

They do fill up faster than I expected. Mudah might be right about combo-breaking being too easy.

I need to find a vid that actually shows an assist. The first one RT posted might have it in there, but for some reason it doesn't load worth beans for me.

[mudah.swf]

It may well be. In other games with assists systems like Dissidia, using them to break combos has just been a matter of pressing a button, there's absolutely zero difficulty or timing involved, it's purely been a get-out-of-jail card. It was at its most egregrious in Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm, in which you not only had assists to break combos, you also had a teleport that you could mash out for a bit of meter, meaning you were very rarely without at least one combo-breaker. As a result, nobody (including me) wanted to attack another player (in this case, my friend) head-on because I would get blown up and comboed myself because I actually made an offense, so the game boiled down to both of us pinging ineffectual kunai at each other, resulting in zero fun despite how good the game looked. It didn't matter that all the combo breakers cost some form of meter to do, the fact that attacking the opponent was taking a massive risk was bad enough.

This is what Dissidia 2 is probably going to end up as, unless Square are really slick with the whole system.

[Donomni]

God I hope Cloud's KH costume is just that.

I can tolerate KH more than most people, but let's keep this game with just Final Fantasy people, mmm'kay?

Also, yay Tifa! Boo to people from spinoffs and not the actual game. I mean, isn't Genesis that Gackt look-alike?

[POS Industries]

They do fill up faster than I expected. Mudah might be right about combo-breaking being too easy.
Maybe, maybe not. Supposedly you do have to be quite careful about your timing with assists because, if you do it wrong, both you and your partner could just end up getting their shit wrecked (a la vs. Capcom).

Basically, just because it says something can break combos doesn't mean it's going to be easy for them them to do so.

I need to find a vid that actually shows an assist. The first one RT posted might have it in there, but for some reason it doesn't load worth beans for me.
Unfortunately, the first video RT linked shows nothing really new. Just a basic WoL vs Squall match.

Also, yay Tifa! Boo to people from spinoffs and not the actual game. I mean, isn't Genesis that Gackt look-alike?
I've not been able to confirm RT's post for anything besides Tifa, and she's universally referred to as "the third newest Dissidia Duodecim character" after Kain and Lightning. It does not appear to be true.

[mudah.swf]

Maybe, maybe not. Supposedly you do have to be quite careful about your timing with assists because, if you do it wrong, both you and your partner could just end up getting their shit wrecked (a la vs. Capcom).

Basically, just because it says something can break combos doesn't mean it's going to be easy for them them to do so.

It was that way in the later Marvel games because assists were also your playable characters and thus had their own health bars, and couldn't defend themselves. Dissidia 2 hasn't given assists their own health bars as far as we know, so they may be hittable but that's not going to stop you from just using them again as soon as you get the required meter to do so. There's no real risk because you'll always get that meter back, as far as we know your character doesn't strike a pose upon using an assist and you can use them while being hit, making it an almost risk-free action because you have nothing important to lose by using an assist since you'll always get it back.

This is, of course, theory fighting. But combo-breaking is a really god damn powerful ability and so far only one developer has really got it right, and somehow I don't trust Square to get it right.

[Nique]

Wow you guys just sort of blew right past Inbred Chocobo's highly erotic summary there. I couldn't avert my eyes...

[mudah.swf]

I'm too busy yelling at people ITT.

[POS Industries]

Dissidia 2 hasn't given assists their own health bars as far as we know, so they may be hittable but that's not going to stop you from just using them again as soon as you get the required meter to do so. There's no real risk because you'll always get that meter back, as far as we know your character doesn't strike a pose upon using an assist and you can use them while being hit, making it an almost risk-free action because you have nothing important to lose by using an assist since you'll always get it back.
Then again, there might be more risk than you think. A screenshot on this page (http://i55.tinypic.com/5n5fdl.jpg) shows the assists in action, with Terra and Kefka fighting Cloud and Sephiroth. The FF6 team is getting hammered by the FF7 team, and if you'll notice it looks like Terra's assist bar is locked out. This could mean anything, but at the moment it seems to suggest that maybe there are some longterm repercussions of failing with your assists.

[Roland]

I'll be honest? Seeing Shadow the Hedgehog in Celes would probably manage to put me off of Final Fantasy, Sonic, fighting games, the colors green red and black, and porn all at the same time.

As for the current discussion, I don't have anything to add probably because the only fighting game I even tried to take seriously was Brawl and yeah, Brawl...

[mudah.swf]

Then again, there might be more risk than you think. A screenshot on this page (http://i55.tinypic.com/5n5fdl.jpg) shows the assists in action, with Terra and Kefka fighting Cloud and Sephiroth. The FF6 team is getting hammered by the FF7 team, and if you'll notice it looks like Terra's assist bar is locked out. This could mean anything, but at the moment it seems to suggest that maybe there are some longterm repercussions of failing with your assists.

From the looks of that, it's locked out because her assist (which i assume to be Sephiroth) is currently being used. He isn't getting hit as far as I can tell. What seems to be happening is that the Terra player is getting hit and is using Seph to break the combo. It's unlikely to be anything else.

[POS Industries]

From the looks of that, it's locked out because her assist (which i assume to be Sephiroth) is currently being used. He isn't getting hit as far as I can tell. What seems to be happening is that the Terra player is getting hit and is using Seph to break the combo. It's unlikely to be anything else.
Her assist is obviously Kefka. Sephiroth is Cloud's assist.

Here's the next page (http://i54.tinypic.com/j5i34i.jpg) with a screenshot of another assist in the same battle where Cloud and Sephiroth are both beating up Terra.

EDIT: No seriously, how on Earth did you come to the conclusion that the guy attacking her in the picture was her assist?

[mudah.swf]

Oh, ok, I see it now. Seph was near Terra and pointing at Cloud so I assumed wrongly. Well in that case I have no idea what's going on then. It might be because Kefka is getting hit so Terra can't use him, hence the locked out bars? Won't really matter for shit if she can use him as soon as he stops getting hit though. If they do have their own health bar then perhaps it won't be total shit.

[POS Industries]

He's computer controlled, though, and he's out on the field, which means she's already using him as much as she possibly could. The only difference between the two players is that one's assist is getting hit and the other's isn't, and the one who's getting hit now has the assist bar locked out.

Logically, this suggests that you get your assist bar locked out for something related to your assist getting hit, which means there is a consequence for failure. Don't know how permanent that consequence is for the whole of the fight, but if you're equipping one of your characters that you've leveled up and geared, then that character would have a life bar, even if you couldn't see it.

But yeah, it remains to be seen if that lifebar is involved as of yet.

EDIT: Got some Lightning gameplay for y'all. (http://www.noticiasfinalfantasy.net/2010/09/tgs-2010-dissidia-duodecim-lightning.html) A bit hard to see, though, since our pal with the camera appears to have no concept of zoom.

[mudah.swf]

Why would they not show that life bar though? Surely that's fairly important if assists do have their own life bar. If they don't show the life bar then that's frankly silly. This is, of course, if assists do have one in the first place. It could just be that they have a cooldown after being used, and the bar is shown as locked out during this cooldown. Obviously, getting hit would interrupt the assist and send it straight to cooldown. That's my best guess for now.

[POS Industries]

Well, if it is a cooldown period, that's not so bad, either. I really couldn't tell you because the only video I've seen so far where anyone bothered to use an assist was the Lightning vid I just posted, and I can't tell one way or the other how it works because the guy playing it has his big fat stupid head in the way of his gauges.

EDIT: Okay, the second time he uses them I can see the assist bars just fine, and it doesn't appear to be a cooldown period, either.

[mudah.swf]

If it's a cooldown period, and a substantial cooldown at that, then it might be less shit than I thought. Still doesn't approach good, though. No way.

[POS Industries]

I take solace in the fact that you're probably not going to like the game regardless of what they do so who cares?

[mudah.swf]

That's cool, go right ahead. I'll probably end up playing it anyhow, and complaining about it.

[POS Industries]

Complaining is something you're very good at.

[mudah.swf]

I rule at complaining. It's the best thing ever.

[Locke cole]

You can't beat mudah.swf at a complaining contest.

He is simply the best there is.

[POS Industries]

Complaining is for casuals.

Now, if you want to be truly hardcore, you hack the game to rebalance it to your own tastes. (http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Brawl%2B) Anyone who doesn't want to play your customized version is a scrub!

[mudah.swf]

Hahah, only Smash players do that though. The fact that the handful of Street Fighter games with huge, glaring faults that make them kind of shitty haven't been hacked yet is testament to that.

[POS Industries]

That Street Fighter players don't know how to code for shit? :dance:

[mudah.swf]

I realise that's meant to be a joke but there are people posting on places such as Shoryuken or Neo Empire who really don't know what the fuck when it comes to programming, or anything slightly computer-y.

Although there has been the infamous Koryu (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sf2+koryu&aq=f) hacks of SF2 and SF4, which are like Street Fighter if everything was turned up to 11,000. SF2 Koryu even inspired Capcom to make some changes in the real SF2 updates.

[Squall Leonhart]

IGN has a better video (http://uk.ign.com/videos/2010/09/16/dissidia-012-final-fantasy-lightning-fights), if anyone cares to make more assumptions.

[POS Industries]

Only assumption I'm gonna make from that video is that Lightning's clearly not up to the task of filling Terra's shoes in the "female lead FF protagonist department."

That was just sad.

[bluestarultor]

Only assumption I'm gonna make from that video is that Lightning's clearly not up to the task of filling Terra's shoes in the "female lead FF protagonist department."

That was just sad.

I blame the player. Half those attacks weren't even remotely in range and it was the same move or two for the whole video.

[Regulus Tera]

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[Shyria Dracnoir]

BREASTS! I mean, TIFA!

[Squall Leonhart]

Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy TGS 2010 Official Trailer (http://tgs.gamespot.com/video/6276382/?tag=top_stories;title;11#)

[Kyanbu The Legend]

YES! Tifa! She's in and playable, awesome!

[bluestarultor]

Just going to post a bit of info from FFWiki:

- yes, Tifa is in
- Cloud has an outfit based on Amano's art, as well as his KH getup
- sadly, I hear the means of getting his KH suit are Japan-exclusive so far, so it probably has to do with taking it online
- many newcomers will appear
- the spread of newcomers will not necessarily be even
- we already know Kain and Light's moves

[Locke cole]

Light's moves

Light who?

-ning?

Or Warrior Of?

[Regulus Tera]

Light-san!
Hope-kun!
Light-san...
Hope-kun<3

[bluestarultor]

Light who?

-ning?

Or Warrior Of?

Light-san!
Hope-kun!
Light-san...
Hope-kun<3

^ This. X3


I forget not everyone's played FF13. Lightning tells Hope to call her "Light." I use it a lot because it's faster to type. For Warrior of Light, I use WoL.

[POS Industries]

So.

How long after the release do you think it'll take for Japan to use the replay editor to take upskirt shots of Tifa? First day? Second day? Maybe within the hour?

[Krylo]

I'm sure she'll have a high kick or two that will save them the trouble.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

So.

How long after the release do you think it'll take for Japan to use the replay editor to take upskirt shots of Tifa? First day? Second day? Maybe within the hour?

30 minutes

[Kim]

It'll be in the trailers.

[POS Industries]

Hell, knowing Squeenix's current MO, her EX-mode will probably strip her down to her underwear.

[Kim]

Hell, knowing Squeenix's current MO, her EX-mode will probably strip her down to her underwear.

That depends. Is Motomu Toriyama involved in this one?

[POS Industries]

If Gunner Yuna shows up, you'll have your answer.

Her EX-burst will be a massage minigame.

[Krylo]

If Gunner Yuna shows up, you'll have your answer.

Her EX-burst will be a massage minigame.

First thing I've heard to make me interested in this game.

[bluestarultor]

Get it while it's up! Subbed trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7bLryDujk8&feature=player_embedded

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Story doesn't seem to have changed much though it looks like Lightning isn't well liked.

[bluestarultor]

Story doesn't seem to have changed much though it looks like Lightning isn't well liked.

Word is that it's actually a prequel to Dissidia. Terra seems to be under mind control, which supports that, since it was mentioned the first time around by Kefka.

On the plus side, the English VA isn't going to have to work very hard to bring the character through. XD

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Ah so this will explain how most of everyone died/were sent back then.

[Regulus Tera]

Welp welp.

Story still sounds retarded.

[Nique]

Just... no. Let's not even pretend that the story is going to be relevant in any way.

[Doc ock rokc]

damn it Square! copy writing it like that. Now I will never see it!

[Locke cole]

Well, I have a transcript that's apparently of the trailer from someone who translated it:

Warrior of Light: “We are warriors who were called to this land to lead the goddess of harmony to victory.”

Cecil: “The crystals are the power Cosmos has entrusted to everyone. Therefore, to protect everyone is to uphold the will of Cosmos.”

Kuja: “It would be best if we got away from here soon.

Zidane: “Why is that?”

Bartz: “Zidane, is this the warrior of Cosmos who is said to rarely show himself? (Referring to Kuja.)

Emperor: “Among these warriors of Cosmos who have suffered many defeats, there is not one with memories of battle.”

Lightning: “The figures called Manikins are getting agitated in large numbers. They are all our enemies.”

Garland: “Lots of your friends have already begun their journey. You should also enjoy your final moments.”

Lightning: “What did you say?!”

Kain: If chaos triumphs, the world will collapse. Is that what you wish for?”

Golbez: “The world won’t disappear or collapse. Because the battle will not end.”

Lightning: “Bartz hang in there!”

Bartz: “Kain… why?” (Bartz refering to what Kain has done to him.)

Cloud: “Kuja.”

Kuja: “What is it?”

Cloud: “It’d be good if you could consider your own memories precious.”

Ultimecia: ” I’m not stupid enough to obey an unfamiliar god.”

Cloud of Darkness: “…”

Kefka: “Show me what the army of Cosmos is made of!”(Referring to Kuja.)

Kuja: “...” Kain: “I’ll show you a thing that’s called the power of being a real person!” (Referring to the manikins.)

Warrior of Light: “It’s as you said. We will lose.”

Lightning: What are you planning, you traitor?!”

Warrior of Light: “That’s not something for you to know now.”

Warrior of Light: “It’s possible that I already no longer meet the qualifications to fight for light. But I swear that here, I will protect you until the end.”

Tifa: “Who are you?” (Referring to Sephiroth.)

Sephiroth: “Your enemy. There’s no need to know more than that.”

Tifa: “So, a warrior of Chaos

Kuja apparently has been called to fight for Cosmos instead of Chaos.

Biggest questin from me: Kuja is a Warrior of Cosmos?!

[bluestarultor]

Biggest questin from me: Kuja is a Warrior of Cosmos?!

I really don't see why not. Kuja served his own agenda later in FF9, but he didn't really consider himself evil and did most of what he did under orders for what could be seen from some perspectives as a good cause. He just went a bit batshit because he couldn't handle his own mortality.

That said, I don't think it's that simple. Too many villains seem to be good guys this time around and vice versa. I think a lot of the story is going to be trying to figure out who's validly good and bad this time around with no guarantees on anyone being the obvious choice or what they seem. People may even switch sides midway through.

[Locke cole]

I can see Kuja switching sides midway, after the same issue (his mortality) being brought up.

If Xande makes it into the game, they can even contrast the two characters, since they have the same issues.

[bluestarultor]

New batch of confirmed info:

- 012 is because Dissidia was the 13th battle, so prequel status is confirmed.
- Lightning's 3rd alternate outfit (Aya's outfit) is gained via a code you get when you pre-order 3rd Birthday
- Cloud's KH outfit is gained via similar code when you pre-order Birth By Sleep Final Mix
- "Takahashi: The EX Mode is an ultimate attack, and Assist is more something you use little by little. The Assist gauge will fill up even if an attack doesn’t hit, and will decrease as time goes by. You’ll receive the benefit by being aggressive with it. There’s also a new system that symbolizes how EX Mode and Assist oppose each other."
- "Takahashi: You can select the character [for Assists], but the attacks are set. We’re focusing on bringing out the personality of the characters."
- "Takahashi: In addition to new [equipment and accessories], we’ve redone the balance on others. The inclusion of the Assist system has had an impact on the equipment."
- "Takahashi: [In the TGS demo] there’s three difficulty settings, so people playing for the first time or beginners should pick Intro Mode. The summon system has been taken out of the demo, but it will of course be in the final game with new summons as well."



Oh, fuck it: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-dissidia/6575/dissidia-final-fantasy-duodecim-012-tetsuya-nomura-interview/

[POS Industries]

It's possible that Kuja was still summoned by Chaos, since his picture is still facing the same way as all the other Chaos warriors, but he may be compelled early on by his better nature to help Zidane and the others before eventually being manipulated by Emperor Mateus into turning heel.

[Locke cole]

Possible.

I'm confused by Kefka's quote at Kuja. That doesn't sound quite like something Dissidia!Kefka would say. Too straightforward.

[POS Industries]

Chaos story modes confirmed! (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/09/21/dissidia-012duodecim-final-fantasy-going-international-has-chaos-storylines/)

Now a word on key gameplay changes:
Dodging will no longer reset the number of times you jumped consecutively, meaning players no longer have infinite jumps and cannot stay in the air indefinitely. While characters like Kuja and Ultimecia have ways around this, for the most part what goes up must come down. This is expected to breathe more life into ground-based characters like Firion, Emperor, and Golbez, as well as encourage usage of features like quickmove and Kefka and Terra's EX flight abilities.
A ground dash ability was put on display with Firion in the demo, which by all accounts is a quick, steerable run speed increase. Obviously another part of the plan to make ground combat more viable.
EX-guard is gone. There will no longer be any incentive to sit on a full EX-gauge for defensive purposes. S-E is doing everything they can to encourage and reward offensive gameplay over turtling, and the changes to EX as well as the new assist system appear to be indicative of that.
Using your assist to take a hit for you is replacing EX-guard, but doing so results in your assist bar being locked out for an as-of-yet undisclosed amount of time.
The EX and assist systems are going to have some interesting ways of interacting with a counteracting each other. Using an assist while in EX-mode summons your assistant character in EX-mode as well. Being in EX-mode will also cause your opponent's assist gauge to slowly drain away, not only encouraging the player to use the EX-mode whenever possible but punishing the opponent for running away and waiting the EX-mode out to some degree.
Much focus is being put on balancing the characters better. Ground combat is becoming more viable, but the ground characters like Emperor, Firion, and Cloud are also getting shiny new aerial moves to keep them in the fight when their opponent goes airborne. More combo options are being given to a number of characters (Terra's ground fire attack now links to a new Firaga HP attack rather than just initiating a chase sequence, for instance), and melee characters are getting more effective ranged capabilities (JECHT BEAM!).
The 9999 HP cap is gone. Your health can now go into the quintuple digits, but the 9999 BRV cap appears to be remaining in place, meaning no more oneshots.

[Nique]

The 9999 HP cap is gone. Your health can now go into the quintuple digits, but the 9999 BRV cap appears to be remaining in place, meaning no more oneshots.

That sounds.... dissastifying.

[Doc ock rokc]

That sounds.... dissastifying.

um...Yes....But it does give me that little voice in the back of my head going "~DO THE EX BURST! DO IT DO IT DO IT!~"

[POS Industries]

Better for balance, though. Summons like Tiamat and Ifrit become far less gamebreaking, and encourages going on offense to make a comeback more of an option over running and turtling in the event your opponent racks up the dreaded 9999 BRV.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Uping the HP cap to 99999 while keeping the BRV cap at 9999, was a nice way to balance things out. Making one hit kills less likely to happen.

[bluestarultor]

Everything I'm reading points to them making the game much more aggressive, which is aces in my book. The major balance tweaks are certainly going to make videos more interesting to watch. I always wondered why they bothered to include any land at all with how little people used it in Dissidia. Watching everyone float and shoot off spells or menace the air got boring after a while.


Edit: P.S. It's going to be ad-hoc again. http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/21/dissidia_spring/

[POS Industries]

P.S. It's going to be ad-hoc again.
Yup. Oh well.

You bustas need to get set up with some Xlink Kai before Duodecim comes out. At least a small NPF player community for us to goof around with would be pretty rad.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Cheapest way to do it without modding your PSP if you don't already own a PS3.

[bluestarultor]

Cheapest way to do it without modding your PSP if you don't already own a PS3.

If you own a PSP, there's very little reason you shouldn't already own a PS3.

Not with the Move out now! (I'll take my advertising payment in either cash or check form.) :dance:


Joking, but seriously, especially with the PSP's library being small for the longest time, unless you already had a 360 and just needed to throw some money away, you probably bought a PSP because you'd already gotten a PS3. Sony sold its current generation on future potential. Heck, the PSP still has a small library. At least compared to the cheaper, more popular DS. It's getting more reasons to buy it, but the one of the biggest will still be the stuff it can do with a PS3 for quite a while.

[Kim]

I got a PSP for specific games on the PSP because for some time the PS3's library was even worse than the PSP's. It's better now, but I still don't have a PS3. Also, PS3's be expensive a fuuuuuuck.

[POS Industries]

you probably bought a PSP because you'd already gotten a PS3.
Naw bro, I only bought a PSP for Kefka.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

PS3's be expensive a fuuuuuuck.

This is the reason I don't have one yet.

[Flarecobra]

Got a PSP for Dissida initally... and my PS2 slimline works just fine. Don't need a PS3.

[bluestarultor]

I stand corrected. XD

[Donomni]

You bustas need to get set up with some Xlink Kai before Duodecim comes out. At least a small NPF player community for us to goof around with would be pretty rad.

Isn't that the program you need, like, two wireless adapters for, or something?

[bluestarultor]

Isn't that the program you need, like, two wireless adapters for, or something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XLink_Kai

Nope, just custom wireless router firmware or a PC or Linux machine.

[POS Industries]

Isn't that the program you need, like, two wireless adapters for, or something?
Sort of. You can't connect with normal wifi drivers, and the drivers and settings you do need to connect with it apparently don't make normal wifi connection doable. So if you already have a wifi network set up, then you will need a second adapter specifically for Kai.

But all you need is a $20 adapter for it to work, which still puts it above getting a PS3 in terms of cost.

[Doc ock rokc]

Sort of. You can't connect with normal wifi drivers, and the drivers and settings you do need to connect with it apparently don't make normal wifi connection doable. So if you already have a wifi network set up, then you will need a second adapter specifically for Kai.

But all you need is a $20 adapter for it to work, which still puts it above getting a PS3 in terms of cost.
Says you. I can't do a adapter because of the Uverse's system doesn't necessarily work that way. But I can't do ad hoc party because the PS3 wont let me do it with a wireless connection. And I can't plug it in because of the same deal with Uverse. Seriously I am fucked ether way.

[POS Industries]

...Are you not using a computer?

[Doc ock rokc]

...i just re read the Deal I though it was a wireless network addapter. Still I am trying to save cash so I might not do it anyway.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Basically, for Xlink Kai, you need to have a computer with a wired connection and a $20 usb wireless drive designed for it. Simple to put together, and can be used to tunnel any ad-hoc item (not just psp), but if you don't have that setup its not going to work.

[Doc ock rokc]

yeah ok. i am on a completely wireless network there is nothing to plug into

[POS Industries]

If your computer has USB ports then you're good to go. (http://www.planex.net/support/xlink/product.html)

EDIT: Trailer's finally up on the official site. (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/)

[Donomni]

So if we only have a wireless network, we'd just need a second USB adapter?

Ok, that's doable before this game comes out. Shit, we may have a spare around here.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Actually no, the signal from the usb wireless device can interfere with the wireless signal of your network. If your computer is wired, then you can get the usb wireless device and take care of things from there.

This means that your computer must be WIRED to the internet, either straight through the modem or an ethernet cable, it cannot be going to the internet through a wireless connection. This is the same for the PS3 Ad-hoc feature found on it.

[mudah.swf]

Chaos story modes confirmed! (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/09/21/dissidia-012duodecim-final-fantasy-going-international-has-chaos-storylines/)

Now a word on key gameplay changes:
Dodging will no longer reset the number of times you jumped consecutively, meaning players no longer have infinite jumps and cannot stay in the air indefinitely. While characters like Kuja and Ultimecia have ways around this, for the most part what goes up must come down. This is expected to breathe more life into ground-based characters like Firion, Emperor, and Golbez, as well as encourage usage of features like quickmove and Kefka and Terra's EX flight abilities.
A ground dash ability was put on display with Firion in the demo, which by all accounts is a quick, steerable run speed increase. Obviously another part of the plan to make ground combat more viable.
EX-guard is gone. There will no longer be any incentive to sit on a full EX-gauge for defensive purposes. S-E is doing everything they can to encourage and reward offensive gameplay over turtling, and the changes to EX as well as the new assist system appear to be indicative of that.
Using your assist to take a hit for you is replacing EX-guard, but doing so results in your assist bar being locked out for an as-of-yet undisclosed amount of time.
The EX and assist systems are going to have some interesting ways of interacting with a counteracting each other. Using an assist while in EX-mode summons your assistant character in EX-mode as well. Being in EX-mode will also cause your opponent's assist gauge to slowly drain away, not only encouraging the player to use the EX-mode whenever possible but punishing the opponent for running away and waiting the EX-mode out to some degree.
Much focus is being put on balancing the characters better. Ground combat is becoming more viable, but the ground characters like Emperor, Firion, and Cloud are also getting shiny new aerial moves to keep them in the fight when their opponent goes airborne. More combo options are being given to a number of characters (Terra's ground fire attack now links to a new Firaga HP attack rather than just initiating a chase sequence, for instance), and melee characters are getting more effective ranged capabilities (JECHT BEAM!).
The 9999 HP cap is gone. Your health can now go into the quintuple digits, but the 9999 BRV cap appears to be remaining in place, meaning no more oneshots.

Daaaaamn, Square are actually bothering to fix what was wrong with Dissidia 1. Nice to see them actually attempt to make ground combat viable. Let's just hope they don't get overzealous in their balancing.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Gonna miss air battles but if ground combat does speed up then I won't miss it much at all.

Everything else is a plus for the sound of it.

[Flarecobra]

Controls. (http://sadpanda.us/images/222995-IJGRBTQ.jpg)

I'll see about getting someone to translate. Unless someone beats me to the punch.

[POS Industries]

From the Twitter of Bobby Edner, voice of Vaan: (http://twitter.com/bobbyedner/status/15025280258)

Also, this whole wk been recording the voice for another Final Fantasy game!!!

Guess that answers who new character #4 is going to be.

[Squall Leonhart]

From the Twitter of Bobby Edner, voice of Vaan: (http://twitter.com/bobbyedner/status/15025280258)



Guess that answers who new character #4 is going to be.Whelp, there's nondisclosure at its finest too.

[Kim]

From the Twitter of Bobby Edner, voice of Vaan: (http://twitter.com/bobbyedner/status/15025280258)

Guess that answers who new character #4 is going to be.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

[POS Industries]

Whelp, there's nondisclosure at its finest too.
Between him and Kuja's VA, it looks like whatever NDA Square might've had their actors sign was made out of swiss cheese.

Also, that tweet was from May, which lends credence to JD Cullum's report that English voice recording was already finished. Simultaneous global release, anyone?

[bluestarultor]

From the Twitter of Bobby Edner, voice of Vaan: (http://twitter.com/bobbyedner/status/15025280258)

[snip]

Guess that answers who new character #4 is going to be.

Is it wrong of me that the first thing I thought when I read that was that he could have spelled out "week" if he'd just stuck to one exclamation point?



FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

We knew it was going to happen. An excerpt from a post I made on FF Wiki:
A lot of people hate both Tidus and Vaan, but Tidus was actually relevant in his own game, while Vaan was literally thrown in there because the bigwigs were afraid Basch wouldn't sell (they were dead wrong in my case - I might have liked a Basch game). I think we all knew Vaan would be in for that reason. He was shoehorned into XII and he was going to get shoehorned into Dissidia sooner or later because if they keep throwing him at us, he's bound to stick eventually, even if it's because he's been reduced to a fine paste.

[Kim]

I'm getting to the point where Balthier kind of irks me, in spite of being a great character, but I would have preferred him to Vaan. I mean, I would have LOVED getting Cid or Fran, but I'll take what I can get. Vaan's just boring.

[bluestarultor]

I'm getting to the point where Balthier kind of irks me, in spite of being a great character, but I would have preferred him to Vaan. I mean, I would have LOVED getting Cid or Fran, but I'll take what I can get. Vaan's just boring.

Basch would have been the best choice with Gabranth already in story-wise, but they gave Gabranth all of his moves (or look-alikes, at least), which would complicate things.

[Kim]

Yeah, that's why I haven't brought him up. Basch kicks ass, but Gabranth can pretty much fill any role he could gameplay wise.

Actually, fuck Final Fantasy. Put Ashley Riot in this game. I don't care that it doesn't make sense, I want to kick ass in assless chaps.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

The way I see it, for those of you who hate Vaan, set him as the cpu character and beat the tar outta him.

[01d55]

I found Vaan inoffensively bland, mostly because he gets shoved to the side instead of shoving the interesting characters into the spotlight, unless he's jumping in to provide a Narm.

[Kim]

I agree, it's just because he's inoffensively bland I don't want to see him in this game. The more I think about it the more I'd like both Vaan and Penelo out of XII and replaced with Larsa.

[Teal Mage]

I agree, it's just because he's inoffensively bland I don't want to see him in this game.

On the bright side.

Hello Mr. Fanservice! (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061107174059/finalfantasy/images/e/e5/Vaan.PNG)

Maybe he'll have the power to steal other character's moves, and do all the things other main characters can, just not as well.

[Krylo]

The way I see it, for those of you who hate Vaan, set him as the cpu character and beat the tar outta him.Yeah but...

he's inoffensively bland

You can't even get a good hate on for him. He's just nothing. Pointless. A dead space.

[Kim]

Hello Mr. Fanservice! (http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-02/art/ff12-vaan.jpg)

http://i52.tinypic.com/foipdx.gif

[Flarecobra]

On the bright side.

Hello Mr. Fanservice! (http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-02/art/ff12-vaan.jpg)

Maybe he'll have the power to steal other character's moves, and do all the things other main characters can, just not as well.

Kinda like Bartz?

[Locke cole]

The link ain't working for me. Just sends me to the home page.

Personally, I'd like Galuf to be a "steal the other characters' moves" powerset. See, he could be a Blue Mage, and contrast Bartz's moveset by having moves from all the Chaos characters, while Bartz has the Cosmos characters' attacks as a Mimic.

[Teal Mage]

Can't comment on FF 5's characters - don't remember enough about them, I'm afraid.

Anyway, does this link work better? (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061107174059/finalfantasy/images/e/e5/Vaan.PNG)

Kinda like Bartz?

Only much worse!

But, to be serious, if Vaan is a playable character and doesn't just appear in a cameo (s'also possible that his voice actor's doing someone without a voice from previous games, you know) or something to that effect, I wonder what kinds of moves he'll be given. If I had to guess, I'd say they'll be drawn from his appearances in Revenant Wings and Grimoire of the Rift, since Final Fantasy Twelve left most of the playable characters as blankslates - fighting style wise.

There's a lot of ways the game can use a character like Vaan, so despite how much I dislike him, I'm pretty curious what he'll be like when it comes out.

[Squall Leonhart]

[...] (s'also possible that his voice actor's doing someone without a voice from previous games, you know) [...]Yeah, about that... (http://twitter.com/bobbyedner/status/15025605656)

[Teal Mage]

:ohdear:

...it was just wishful thinking anyway.

[bluestarultor]

:ohdear:

...it was just wishful thinking anyway.

Well, it's not like he won't do an okay job at it. We can always bank on them having better writing this time around...

...

:crying:

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Vaan doesn't seem all that bad to me. Then again I just started playing FFXII.

[bluestarultor]

Vaan doesn't seem all that bad to me. Then again I just started playing FFXII.

Run, you fool, while there's still hope! Do you want to end up like NonCon!?


Joking aside, you could do worse. The weapon system is totally great. I just hated the plot and characters and how slow the plot, characters, and battle flow were. Also the shop system. There's a good political drama and game buried in there if you have the patience to wait through all the slog. I just didn't feel any reason to. My brother gave it more of a chance than I did, which is how I know there's something of value in it. It just hit a lot of wrong buttons for me.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Run, you fool, while there's still hope! Do you want to end up like NonCon!?


Joking aside, you could do worse. The weapon system is totally great. I just hated the plot and characters and how slow the plot, characters, and battle flow were. Also the shop system. There's a good political drama and game buried in there if you have the patience to wait through all the slog. I just didn't feel any reason to. My brother gave it more of a chance than I did, which is how I know there's something of value in it. It just hit a lot of wrong buttons for me.

Considering that I got FFXII and FFX-2 for free from my uncle who had re bought them by accident (and Mana Khamia for PS2 but never mind that). I'm sure I won't be disappointed.

[Kim]

Considering that I got FFXII and FFX-2 for free from my uncle who had re bought them by accident (and Mana Khamia for PS2 but never mind that). I'm sure I won't be disappointed.

FFXII is excellent. Well, about as good as a person can really expect a Final Fantasy game to be. There are some definite flaws, but the good more than makes up for it. Only other FF games I'd say really compete with it are VI and X.

Do you want to end up like NonCon!?

Everyone wants to end up like me.

[Krylo]

FFXII is excellent. Well, about as good as a person can really expect a Final Fantasy game to be. There are some definite flaws, but the good more than makes up for it. Only other FF games I'd say really compete with it are VI and X.

Pretty much this, though I'm not sure I'd put X on the same level, but that's probably just because I prefer war drama to romance.

I'd say XII is the best FF since VI.

[Kim]

Pretty much this, though I'm not sure I'd put X on the same level, but that's probably just because I prefer war drama to romance.

I'd say XII is the best FF since VI.

I don't like X as much, but in spite of its problems I can see what it did well and enjoy it. The romance, to me, wasn't nearly as important as Tidus' stuff with his dad, which was infinitely more interesting and well done. Also, X has a vastly superior soundtrack to pretty much any other FF so I gotta give it props for that.

[bluestarultor]

I don't like X as much, but in spite of its problems I can see what it did well and enjoy it. The romance, to me, wasn't nearly as important as Tidus' stuff with his dad, which was infinitely more interesting and well done. Also, X has a vastly superior soundtrack to pretty much any other FF so I gotta give it props for that.

Plus Spira is flat-out gorgeous. I'd have to say it has the prettiest landscapes of the entire series, including FF13. The series hasn't seen that much color in its world before or since, although Pulse and especially the Sunleth Waterscape (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sunleth_Waterscape) come very close in 13.


Edit: I know FF12 had its share of biodiversity, too, but I wasn't quite as impressed with it. Ivalice was a more "realistic" fantasy world from what I saw, where things were fantastic, but toned down from what they were in X.

[Kim]

Ivalice was a more "realistic" fantasy world from what I saw, where things were fantastic, but toned down from what they were in X.

Of course they were. It was a more realistic fantasy story that didn't revolve around giant whales and dream people. More western fantasy to X's J-Pop fantasy.

[bluestarultor]

Of course they were. It was a more realistic fantasy story that didn't revolve around giant whales and dream people. More western fantasy to X's J-Pop fantasy.

A good chunk of the reason I didn't like it was for that. It just seemed to be trying to milk the Western MMO market in several ways, including slow combat and less fantastic landscapes. It seemed like a step backwards in too many areas and ended up falling off a cliff and into a sewage treatment plant. Like, my conditions for liking it would have been:

Do the original story about Basch.
Leave the street rats out of it.
If they must stay, at least get them to the "diamond in the rough" stage, rather than leaving them at "only your fleas will mourn you."
Really, fuck Vaan. Write him out, replace with Reks, reap rewards of confusion at almost having been killed by a look-alike.
Make the story go faster.
Make combat go faster.
Give me a reason to give a damn about the characters.
Just make better characters.
Don't make me sell shit to get Gil. Many a completionist and pack rat suffers from that kind of system.
Fuck shop items opening up by selling shit and the horse it rode in on. I've only ever seen it done well once, in Persona 4, where it's only for weaponry, and the results are damn well worth it.
Ditch the License Board. It's like the Sphere Grid with even less freedom.
Ditch the whole MMO setup. Taking the worst parts of bad games and making them single-player was not a good idea.

[Ryong]

Blues, I'mma adress some of your points:
1: The story is unchanged, except you get Vaan and Penelo as viewpoints.
4: You know, this'd just mean Reks would be Vaan, but with a decent look.
5: Given the reason that the story takes so long is because you're exploring a vast, cool-looking world is not all that bad.
9 and 10: Oh come on, you sell stuff, they make items, they sell to you. It's like having a NPC that makes items for you if you pay him some money and give him the components to make it - except you get some money, since you're actually selling him the stuff.
11: ...The Sphere Grid allows you to take a linear path and every once in a while you can go out of your job - unless you're using teleport spheres and even then. The License Board has much more freedom than that, come on.
12: Man, I liked gambits. You could control your party normally, just like in any other FF if you wanted. And I'm not sure about the MMO thing, I don't keep pressing hotkeys to tell characters to do stuff and chug potions in FFXII.

And on the gorgeous thing? Phon Coast.

[Kim]

Blues, if we get rid of Vaan, whose ass am I supposed to stare at? This is a serious concern, and needs addressing.

[bluestarultor]

Blues, I'mma adress some of your points:
1: The story is unchanged, except you get Vaan and Penelo as viewpoints.
4: You know, this'd just mean Reks would be Vaan, but with a decent look.
5: Given the reason that the story takes so long is because you're exploring a vast, cool-looking world is not all that bad.
9 and 10: Oh come on, you sell stuff, they make items, they sell to you. It's like having a NPC that makes items for you if you pay him some money and give him the components to make it - except you get some money, since you're actually selling him the stuff.
11: ...The Sphere Grid allows you to take a linear path and every once in a while you can go out of your job - unless you're using teleport spheres and even then. The License Board has much more freedom than that, come on.
12: Man, I liked gambits. You could control your party normally, just like in any other FF if you wanted. And I'm not sure about the MMO thing, I don't keep pressing hotkeys to tell characters to do stuff and chug potions in FFXII.

And on the gorgeous thing? Phon Coast.

Well:

1: I don't want Vaan and Penelo as viewpoints. They annoy me. I want them gone. Or at least not as annoying and pointless.
4: For some reason, Reks got me to like him more in his ~5 minutes of air time than Vaan did in the entire game as far as I played or watched my brother play before he finally gave up on it. He's a soldier, fresh, but capable. Vaan's just not. You start him training on Goddamn rats and thinking he's awesome for it. No, thanks.
5: This gets back to the speed of the game. Having a big world to explore is great if you have a reliable means of getting around it. If they'd had a "run for real" button, then maybe. And, as noted, I didn't think it was even all that cool-looking. Spending forever in travel time is not my idea of fun, especially if I've seen prettier scenery.
9, 10: Okay, fair enough, but then make the rewards reliable at all stages. If I need to collect 20 bear asses to get the right to buy an Elixir, fine, but then make it 20 bear asses instead of 20 bear asses, 17 skink toes, 84 wings from High Seraphim (1% drop rate), and Jimmy's Left Testicle. Persona 4 did it well because for every 10 of each item you sold, you got a new related weapon. It was reliable, the drops were painless, you got money out of the deal, and could buy a new weapon. In FF12, fuck if I could figure out what selling shit gave me, if anything.
11: The Sphere Grid didn't control whether or not you could upgrade to a better weapon. Magic, sure, fine, that was actually better, but seriously, fuck having to waste points so I can upgrade from a Wet Noodle to a Dry Noodle, much less an Actual Weapon or even the Ultimate Weapon. Speaking of which, fuck how they handled that, too.
12: It was the whole setup that bugged me. You have a big, sprawling world filled with random, respawning enemies, casting times, cool-down times, aggros, passive foes, running from combat being determined by range, and the license board standing in for level requirements on all your spells and equipment. Just because it doesn't have one-click combat and you can control your otherwise NPC allies does not make it not MMO-based.


And from the pictures I'm finding, Phon Coast STILL doesn't compare to Spira.




Edit: @Non: Reks' ass, obviously. He's more decorative than Vaan anyway.




Edit again: Like I said, I recognize the game has good points, and what it does well it does fantastically. I hold the weapons system as the best I've seen in any game ever. And once the plot gets going, it's a good political drama, which is an accolade from me, because I hate political dramas. I rate Vayne as one of the best villains of the series, if not the #1. The ability to switch out party members at any time and fall back on the remaining members when wiped out is a great improvement on FFX's system. It just does too much that I dislike for me to break down and like it.

[POS Industries]

Official North American website is go. (http://na.square-enix.com/dissidia_012/)

Not that there's anything actually on it, but it's there. And a lot sooner than usual.

[Locke cole]

Huh. Do my ears decieve me, or is that part of the baseline to FFVI's boss theme in there?

[Regulus Tera]

Full tgs trailer

http://dl.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/tgs2010_trailer.f4v

[bluestarultor]

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/DrakeClawfang/DissidiaNewArena.png

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Prima Vista. :D


For those of you wondering, that's FF9. Play it. It also (hopefully) means Vivi is a lock due to his involvement there.

Yes, I've realized ways Vivi could be workable and will explain on request.

[Regulus Tera]

I just noticed that Terra's alternate outfit is... her regular outfit with Moogle wings.

Lame.

[bluestarultor]

I just noticed that Terra's alternate outfit is... her regular outfit with Moogle wings.

Lame.

Link?

[Regulus Tera]

It's in the CG portion of the video I just linked. Shirtless Tidus is there too.

[Kim]

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/DrakeClawfang/DissidiaNewArena.png

You forgot to include subtitles (http://i55.tinypic.com/2d10l6d.png)

[Nique]

Honestly no idea why I made this.

? (http://nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1077267&postcount=2)

[Kim]

I can always count on Nique to justify my terrible decisions after the fact.

[Nique]

oh man i have no idea how to take that but you're welcome

[Kim]

oh man i have no idea how to take that

Bending over.

[Locke cole]

Subtitled trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ov2xT2frPk&feature=sub)

[POS Industries]

Zidane, is this that warrior of Cosmos? The one that doesn't show his face much?
Jinkies, it's a clue!

Kuja is confirmed as Chaos-side. So one possibility is that Kuja's being a dickhole and just has the Cosmos warriors convinced that he's one of them because they're all idiots. The other is that the following answer from Zidane is "no," which would mean that there is another warrior of Cosmos connected to Zidane, who "doesn't show his face much."

It's a stretch, but maybe Vivi isn't that far off base after all.

[Locke cole]

He could even believe it himself, because then there's a scene where Kefka says "Show me what the army of Cosmos is made of!" to Kuja.

He could be being sarcastic there, but...

[POS Industries]

Well, he's not really saying it to Kuja as if they were enemies since they appear to be standing next to each other. Seems more like Kuja gets summoned by Chaos but is having something of a moral crisis over it.

[bluestarultor]

Well, he's not really saying it to Kuja as if they were enemies since they appear to be standing next to each other. Seems more like Kuja gets summoned by Chaos but is having something of a moral crisis over it.

Well, his VA said a while back that he took a lot of feedback on his previous performance and worked it into his new one. He said he still didn't feel like he did the job the character deserved, but that he hoped he'd given him more depth.

Basically, expect Kuja to be effing awesome this time around.

Also, this is Square we're talking about. Balls if they're not already hedging their bets on a prequel to this prequel. They're probably leaving it open for Kuja being a Cosmos warrior for Dissisia 011.

[Flarecobra]

Something I just wondered... there was a scene in the trailer... looked like it was at the Gardens from FF8... And another that resembled Prima Vista...

Hint at new arenas?

[Regulus Tera]

Why wouldn't there be new arenas? Orphan's Cradle and Sky Fortress Bahamut are visible anyway.

[bluestarultor]

Something I just wondered... there was a scene in the trailer... looked like it was at the Gardens from FF8... And another that resembled Prima Vista...

Hint at new arenas?

Why wouldn't there be new arenas? Orphan's Cradle and Sky Fortress Bahamut are visible anyway.

Sky Fortress Bahamut and Prima Vista, actually, from what the FF Wikians say.

It's been officially stated that there will be a new arena for every new character, so expect Vivi to be a contender, or possibly Steiner or Garnet, from their involvement on that stage. But my guess would be Vivi just for his insane popularity and the fact he, oddly enough, has more to offer play-wise than either of those two. Official word is that they're taking both factors into account to optimize the cast (meaning still no Seifer).

Also expect Vaan. We pretty much know he's in from his VA, so with the FF12 stage in there, it's just a matter of time until the official announcement.

[Locke cole]

New arena for every character? Oh please let Kain's be something cool.

You know what would make for an interesting arena? The Red Wings.

Just, just a bunch of airships, flying in formation, and you use them as platforms.

[Drownball-Champ]

New arena for every character? Oh please let Kain's be something cool.

You know what would make for an interesting arena? The Red Wings.

Just, just a bunch of airships, flying in formation, and you use them as platforms.

That'd be an awesome stage.

What was the FF8 stage in Dissidia? It's been a while since I've played.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

That'd be an awesome stage.

What was the FF8 stage in Dissidia? It's been a while since I've played.

Ultimecia's Castle.

[POS Industries]

Ultimecia's Castle.
AKA The worst stage in the game, so I hope FF8 gets something nice this time around.

They seem to be moving away from "boring-ass cylinder" in their stage designs so I'm optimistic so far.

[Nique]

Yeah I'll chime in with sum complaints about the stages. Seriously let's put in some more intricate backgrounds and interactive objects. Even just a bigger stage would be more interesting.

Also: 4 way battles. Do it.

[bluestarultor]

Well, it looks like Tifa's getting a magazine announcement. All we have is a crappy scan, but since we already know she's in, I don't know what someone faking it would hope to accomplish:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2qw0yki.jpg

[Drownball-Champ]

That scan seems to suggest that weapons actually change the model. Unless she gets those in EX mode.

[bluestarultor]

That scan seems to suggest that weapons actually change the model. Unless she gets those in EX mode.

Yeah, that's her EX Mode.

[Drownball-Champ]

Yeah, that's her EX Mode.

Yeah, I see that now that I've actually looked at the words. It says EX next to it. I was really hoping for weapons that change.

[Regulus Tera]

She got a breast reduction.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

She got a breast reduction.

Not by much though.

[bluestarultor]

Not by much though.

I'm just waiting for Nomura to finally draw a woman with a healthy weight. Every time I look at one of his designs, something in my mind screams "SHE'S TOO THIN!" This also goes for the game models. The biggest distraction I faced in FF13 was the urge to feed all the girls hamburgers.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Surely Nomura is our era Rob Liefeld

[Regulus Tera]

I'm just waiting for Nomura to finally draw a woman with a healthy weight. Every time I look at one of his designs, something in my mind screams "SHE'S TOO THIN!" This also goes for the game models. The biggest distraction I faced in FF13 was the urge to feed all the girls hamburgers.


?? Lightning, Vanille, nor Fang looked under or overweight.

[bluestarultor]

?? Lightning, Vanille, nor Fang looked under or overweight.

Compared to an actual healthy body weight for a woman at each prospective age and height, I'm pretty sure all three are underweight. We're just bombarded with so many images of underweight women that many people fail to notice.


Edit: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:FFXIII-Lightning_CG.png

Look at her thighs. They're barely bigger than her shins. That's just way too thin.

[Regulus Tera]

Sharp knees and all.

[Nique]

Fang looked alright. Lightning was pretty much a noodle person.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Compared to an actual healthy body weight for a woman at each prospective age and height, I'm pretty sure all three are underweight. We're just bombarded with so many images of underweight women that many people fail to notice.


Edit: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:FFXIII-Lightning_CG.png

Look at her thighs. They're barely bigger than her shins. That's just way too thin.

Oh wow now I'm starting to notice it. Could've sworn she wasn't that... small.

[bluestarultor]

Oh wow now I'm starting to notice it. Could've sworn she wasn't that... small.

Ladies and gentlemen, I've just ruined a great game for a man. /gallowshumor

[Regulus Tera]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2vwdzk8.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/mc5glh.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2u6g0m9.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/2rm5x86.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/s4chls.jpg

A look at all the 3rd Alts. revealed in V-Jump last weekend. Plus all the screens of Tifa from the recent Famitsu scans and the Assist feature stuff.

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT THE AFTER YEARS IS CANON :(

Next you're gonna tell me Chrono Cross is canon too and I'm gonna die of embarassment.

[Flarecobra]

..At first I thought that was FF9-Garland, until I saw the attack.

And is that Young Cloud?

And it looks like they got rid of that fairly annoying multi-leveled life bar.

[Regulus Tera]

Those are The After Years Golbez (ultra-manly, but the implications are horrendous) and Amano-design Cloud. Cecil and Kain are supposed to be Amano's too.

[bluestarultor]

Next you're gonna tell me Chrono Cross is canon too and I'm gonna die of embarassment.

Addressed in Chrono Trigger DS. You may cry now.

..At first I thought that was FF9-Garland, until I saw the attack.

And is that Young Cloud?

Amano Cloud. There's some question as to what all the default outfits are going to be. Amano Cloud was featured as the default in the demo, but interviews seem to conflict with that being the plan, so it's possible they just did it for the demo to show them off.

[Regulus Tera]

Addressed in Chrono Trigger DS. You may cry now.

Squeenix fucking sucks.

[bluestarultor]

Squeenix fucking sucks.

You're welcome. ^_^

[Flarecobra]

Those are The After Years Golbez (ultra-manly, but the implications are horrendous)


I know. But you know... did they have to make Golbez look so.... old? Guy had brown hair in TAY... but that's almost Old Snake-grey.

[Roland]

His hair jumped between brown and shockingly white depending on which sprites you were looking at. But then this is the same game that gave Ceodore is a stupid name sky blue hair when his artwork makes it clear that he takes after his dad, so...

Anywho, I'm more surprised that the Lunarian Hobo is making an appearance. Isn't that supposed to be him after seventeen long years of sleeping in a pod? And isn't this supposed to be a prequel? Do Squeenix heroes age backwards or something in the Dissidiaverse?

[POS Industries]

Anywho, I'm more surprised that the Lunarian Hobo is making an appearance. Isn't that supposed to be him after seventeen long years of sleeping in a pod? And isn't this supposed to be a prequel? Do Squeenix heroes age backwards or something in the Dissidiaverse?
The alternate costumes are not their canonical appearance in these games.

Granted, I wish that the vast majority of people playing as green-haired Terra made it canon but life just doesn't work that way.

[Doc ock rokc]

The alternate costumes are not their canonical appearance in these games.

Granted, I wish that the vast majority of people playing as green-haired Terra made it canon but life just doesn't work that way.

They at least made the Tint a little more visible then the last game.

[bluestarultor]

His hair jumped between brown and shockingly white depending on which sprites you were looking at. But then this is the same game that gave Ceodore is a stupid name sky blue hair when his artwork makes it clear that he takes after his dad, so...

Anywho, I'm more surprised that the Lunarian Hobo is making an appearance. Isn't that supposed to be him after seventeen long years of sleeping in a pod? And isn't this supposed to be a prequel? Do Squeenix heroes age backwards or something in the Dissidiaverse?

Actually, on the Ceodore thing, that's just executive meddling. Canon is that he was supposed to be named after Golbez's real name, Theodore, and the Japanese is the exact same. It's just when they localized it they transliterated it differently to purposefully distinguish the two characters, probably taking advantage of the fact that his father's name is Cecil so they could be clever and pretend they were combining the two names to keep the intention, but link him back to his father.

It's not exactly the worst solution, all told, and there have been more egregious instances (Cayenne -> Cyan, Tina -> Terra (although that was based on direct tester feedback), Kururu -> both Krile and Cara, etc.).

[Flarecobra]

And one obvious character has joined. (http://i56.tinypic.com/24nqtth.jpg)

[Donomni]

UNEXPECTED! Truly! No evidence beforehand whatsoever!

[bluestarultor]

Still, it officially concludes all we know or can guess. Square is on record saying it would add somewhere between 4 and 10 characters and Vaan is the 4th. Our only other clue is that one of the stages looks like the Prima Vista (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Prima_Vista). So our last guess is that someone new from FF9 will make it in, but who it might be is up to speculation. The obvious choice based on popularity in the West is Vivi, but I have no clue if he shares that trait in Japan. Garnet, Steiner, and Eiko are also good candidates, being a Summoner/WM and the love interest, a main character and powerful fighter who could cause conflict with Zidane, and a Summoner/WM who follows the "perky young girl" stereotype Japan is so fond of.

Personally, I hope it's Vivi, but I wouldn't mind seeing Steiner on the side of Chaos.


Edit: I mean unless anyone wants to go digging around the Twitter accounts of every VA to do an FF character. They all seem to have been surprisingly loose-lipped about it.

[Teal Mage]

And one obvious character has joined. (http://i56.tinypic.com/24nqtth.jpg)

Look at those abs.

Oh my god, Vaan is totally ripped.

Did you know he's only seventeen?

...yeah that's pretty much all I can say at this point. Kinda curious if there'll be references to the Final Fantasy Twelve Sequels and spin-offs in his character though. There's certainly plenty of room for them - what with items like the God Blade (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Anastasia) from Revenant Wings and his Sky Pirate Costume (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071001025336/finalfantasy/images/7/70/FFTA2Vaan.jpg) in Grimoire of the Rift.

[Ryong]

...Vaan, in 20 years, will be blonde Jecht? That was unexpected.

[Kim]

God that picture. I just can't get over how small his top half is compared to his bottom half. :/

[Locke cole]

Perhaps one of his alt costumes will be... shirted Vaan from TA2?

[Kim]

If Vaan is wearing a shirt then what's the point of him?

[bluestarultor]

If Vaan is wearing a shirt then what's the point of him?

There was never any point to him. All he brought to his game was redundancy, a big brother who served as the sacrificial lamb to show you the tutorial, and a passable warm body to drag you through combat when there wasn't anyone around. Also Penelo, but that goes on his long list of crappy things he brought to the game.

[EVILNess]

I always thought it was kinda neat to see a final fantasy game through the eyes of one of the party members who tags along with the real hero of the story (Ashe and/or Balthier).

[bluestarultor]

I always thought it was kinda neat to see a final fantasy game through the eyes of one of the party members who tags along with the real hero of the story (Ashe and/or Balthier).

They might have pulled it off if he hadn't been so annoying and useless. He starts the game off stealing from asshole guards and that about sums up everything even marginally cool he does in the entire game. He's a street-smart thief and could have totally been a diamond in the rough if they'd just done something with him, but he never gets past the "only your fleas will mourn you" phase as far as I ever saw.

I mean White Knight Chronicles did the same thing by including your online avatar in the party and doing a pretty good job of making it look like s/he had business being there, despite having no lines. S/he reacted and emoted in a very human way and was actually in on some of the major action, even if s/he did tend to just stand off to the side and watch everyone else talk during conversations. THAT was a pretty good way to allow you to project, because you could make him/her look like you and it was a totally blank slate. Vaan didn't have any of those benefits and just came off as a useless hanger-on that got shoehorned in every once in awhile just to remind you he was still there and still supposed to be important.

[Loyal]

I dunno about XII, but he's pretty useful to have around in Revenant Wings, when you don't specifically need Basch's fuckhuge hitpoint count.

Blues, why did you go and draw parallels between Vaan and Aladdin? Have I wronged you in some way?

[bluestarultor]

Blues, why did you go and draw parallels between Vaan and Aladdin? Have I wronged you in some way?

No, he's just an example of what Vaan could/should have been if they didn't want him universally hated. Sadly, they didn't seem to pick up on that at the time and we ended up with Vaan.

I dunno about XII, but he's pretty useful to have around in Revenant Wings, when you don't specifically need Basch's fuckhuge hitpoint count.

Vaan in RW is actually okay from what I've seen. I never played it myself, but my brother has it and liked it until he hit a brick wall and apparently Vaan grew up some into a pretty decent character.

[Grimpond]

I liked 12. I thought it was pretty awesome

[Kim]

I liked 12. I thought it was pretty awesome

It is.

[bluestarultor]

It is.

I recognize that 12 had some very good merits.

[Locke cole]

Vaan was pretty good in Tactics A2, I thought.

[Kim]

I never played Tactics A2. The first FFTA had some good stuff going for it, but too many petty annoyances that I didn't finish it.

[Krylo]

I recognize that 12 had some very good merits.

It has all the very good merits.

All of the merits.

All of them.

[Vauron]

Even if it has all the merits, that doesn't mean it has no demerits.

[Krylo]

Blues is its only demerit.

[ShadowScar Knight]

I've never played FF12 so I don't care too much about this metro-yet-athletically-muscular dude named Vaan. Well, other than show my support to friends who've wanted him in.

All I really hope is that Vivi makes it to Duodecim. The hero's side needs a dedicated black mage that isn't Shantotto (before you point fingers at Terra, I suggest you move those fingers to her two variations of Holy). Not to mention Vivi is both very popular and is a close friend of Zidane.

Oh, and having Gilgamesh would be nice, too. Having a villainous newcomer would be breath of fresh air from all of these goody two-shoes, especially an iconic villain-y guy. Plus Gilgy would be hilarious. I can hear him saying "IT'S MORPHIN' TIME" in an amusingly thick, low, gruff voice now...

But all I can do now is cross my fingers. And have my bubbles bursted anyway.

[Kim]

Auron seems like a shoe-in for another FFX character, assuming I haven't missed/forgotten FFX character announcements, though I think I might actually prefer Wakka. He seems like he'd be funner gameplay-wise.

[bluestarultor]

I've never played FF12 so I don't care too much about this metro-yet-athletically-muscular dude named Vaan. Well, other than show my support to friends who've wanted him in.

All I really hope is that Vivi makes it to Duodecim. The hero's side needs a dedicated black mage that isn't Shantotto (before you point fingers at Terra, I suggest you move those fingers to her two variations of Holy). Not to mention Vivi is both very popular and is a close friend of Zidane.

Oh, and having Gilgamesh would be nice, too. Having a villainous newcomer would be breath of fresh air from all of these goody two-shoes, especially an iconic villain-y guy. Plus Gilgy would be hilarious. I can hear him saying "IT'S MORPHIN' TIME" in an amusingly thick, low, gruff voice now...

But all I can do now is cross my fingers. And have my bubbles bursted anyway.

Nomura is on record saying he'd love to include Gilgy.

Also, Vivi has some nice abilities, like Doomsday, which would be an interesting contrast to Kuja, as it's a Darkness spell.

[DarkDrgon]

Auron would be the best pick popularity wise, if I remember the popularity polls right. Also would fit for the story, since he's a link between bitchtitsTidus and Jecht

On 12, I couldn't get into it. I was a few hours in, and the story didn't jump out to me, I didn't care about anyone but Balthier, and then i loaned it to a classmate, never saw it again. I should probably give it another try, since it reminded me a lot of Dragon Quarter, which I hated until a few years after release and I played it while ignoring the breath of fire title on it.

[Nique]

He seems like he'd be funner gameplay-wise.

Drownball champ. What would his Ex-Mode be? A bubble of water?

[Krylo]

He'd just say something extremely racist and force the other character to walk way in disgust.

[bluestarultor]

Drownball champ. What would his Ex-Mode be? A bubble of water?

Fill the field with water and swim around at high speed to attack, effectively making him fly, while the opponent gradually loses HP from drowning and is stuck on the ground.

Sure, it breaks down a bit for Tidus, but maybe he didn't have enough breath when it started or something. Or maybe they can swim, too, but at a slower rate. Tidus might not be able to swim as fast on no air.

Plus, easiest effect ever. Just put a light blue filter over everything.

[Nique]

He'd just say something extremely racist and force the other character to walk way in disgust.

Oh yeah Wakka was a racist wasn't he? Kind of confusing. Wasn't everyone in that game white anyway? I mean, wouldn't it have made more sense that he was racist against uh... shopuffs or whatever those jarjar-binks looking people were, or Ronsos or Gaudos or the million other non-human races in that game?

[Krylo]

Oh yeah Wakka was a racist wasn't he? Kind of confusing. Wasn't everyone in that game white anyway? I mean, wouldn't it have made more sense that he was racist against uh... shopuffs or whatever those jarjar-binks looking people were, or Ronsos or Gaudos or the million other non-human races in that game?

That would make more sense, probably, but no. He was racist against people with multi-colored eyes.

Because his religion told him he should be.

[bluestarultor]

That would make more sense, probably, but no. He was racist against people with multi-colored eyes.

Because his religion told him he should be.

Actually, no, he was racist against people with spirals in their eyes because they didn't believe in his religion. Yuna is the only one with multi-colored eyes and she's the same religion he is. Also, nobody ever told him she was half Al-Bhed, so basically his entire life was a lie several times over. Once for hating Machina, once for hating Al-Bhed because they used Machina, once for not hating Yuna for being half Al-Bhed, once for not hating Rikku off the bat for being full Al-Bhed because he was too stupid to notice her eyes, and once because the whole religion he believed in was a lie.

[Locke cole]

It kind of depresses me that Celes and Locke are the most likely characters to be added for VI.

Mainly because just about any other character that you could name from that game has enough variations on their signature skill to make a full and interesting moveset. Locke and Celes have one move (technically two for Locke. extremely technically) that's unique to them, and neither works well in a fighting game setting.

[bluestarultor]

It kind of depresses me that Celes and Locke are the most likely characters to be added for VI.

Mainly because just about any other character that you could name from that game has enough variations on their signature skill to make a full and interesting moveset. Locke and Celes have one move (technically two for Locke. extremely technically) that's unique to them, and neither works well in a fighting game setting.

Locke was already passed over the first time around for probably that reason. Celes won't make it in because her abilities are designed to be a parallel of Terra's. They'd play too much alike, just like how Seifer was passed over because he'd play too much like Squall. They're still at the point where disc size is an issue and won't be wasting data space with characters that are too similar. Maybe once the PSP2 comes out and they stick Blu-Ray in there or something.

For that matter, Sabin and Zell are pretty much out with Tifa in there filling the monk role, Locke has Zidane against him, and we can probably exclude all the Blue Mages simply because, minus Quistis, they all need to either see or be hit with an enemy spell to learn their abilities.

Quistis would be an interesting addition, though. She learns Blue Magic via items, which would be easy enough to put in. Her whip would also be a distinct advantage in that it would give her an amount of range, allow her to grapple, and would be comparatively easy to animate over Rinoa's Blaster Edges for the purpose of not wasting a whole buttload of the player's time and calculating homing and junk just to make it hit. The only issue is that Quistis is far from one of the most popular characters of the series. She'd be interesting to have next to Squall, especially since Squall already seems involved with Rinoa in the first one. Rinoa would make more sense in that if she was in, it could explain his promise, though.



Edit: Now SHADOW being in from FF6 would be interesting. What with Interceptor. He could have Interceptor around for his EX as a full-time AI partner and still use Shadow Fang for his burst.

[Kim]

Nope, next VI character will be Setzer in his KH2 clothes.

[Locke cole]

In that case, how about Cyan or Edgar?

Cyan's moves would be based off his Bushido attacks, of course. Four of them: (Sky, Tiger, Flurry, Dragon) would be Brave attacks, and four of them: (Fang, Eclipse, Tempest, Oblivion) would be HP attacks. Perhaps they'd work off some sort of charge system, like Cloud of Darkness's Brave attacks? EX Mode would be Zanmato, EX Burst Tsubame Gaeshi.

Edgar would have moves based on his tools. Autocrossbow would be Brave attacks, his close-range moves (drill, Chainsaw) + air Anchor would be HP, and Bioblaster, Noise Blaster, Flash, and Debilitator would be odd status-inducing Brave attacks, like Shantotto has (bioblaster would work like Shantotto's Bio, Noiseblaster would screw with their movement, Flash would damage and make some attacks miss, and Debilitator would give you one guaranteed critical.
He could probably have a spear move or two for Brave, but I'd like to stick with tools.
EX Mode would be Longinus, and EX Burst would be Royal Shock.

Thoughts? I could do this for just about any character from that game.

To be honest, I really, really want to see Edgar in, because his moveset has the potential to be really sweet, as I outlined.

[bluestarultor]

In that case, how about Cyan or Edgar?

Cyan's moves would be based off his Bushido attacks, of course. Four of them: (Sky, Tiger, Flurry, Dragon) would be Brave attacks, and four of them: (Fang, Eclipse, Tempest, Oblivion) would be HP attacks. Perhaps they'd work off some sort of charge system, like Cloud of Darkness's Brave attacks? EX Mode would be Zanmato, EX Burst Tsubame Gaeshi.

Edgar would have moves based on his tools. Autocrossbow would be Brave attacks, his close-range moves (drill, Chainsaw) + air Anchor would be HP, and Bioblaster, Noise Blaster, Flash, and Debilitator would be odd status-inducing Brave attacks, like Shantotto has (bioblaster would work like Shantotto's Bio, Noiseblaster would screw with their movement, Flash would damage and make some attacks miss, and Debilitator would give you one guaranteed critical.
He could probably have a spear move or two for Brave, but I'd like to stick with tools.
EX Mode would be Longinus, and EX Burst would be Royal Shock.

Thoughts? I could do this for just about any character from that game.

To be honest, I really, really want to see Edgar in, because his moveset has the potential to be really sweet, as I outlined.

He also has the benefit of his Gerad colors. Amazing what a little palette swap can do. That gives him his own palette, Locke's palette, and his Amano art to fill out the third.

Plus it gives someone willing to help Terra. Only thing left would be to figure out his EX buffs.

[Locke cole]

He also has the benefit of his Gerad colors. Amazing what a little palette swap can do. That gives him his own palette, Locke's palette, and his Amano art to fill out the third.

Plus it gives someone willing to help Terra. Only thing left would be to figure out his EX buffs.

I had an idea:

Something called "Mechanical Genius" or something. The name could be ironed out later.

My idea is that it would increase the range and scope of his tools. The drill gets longer, the crossbow has a wider spray, the Bio Blaster sprays further and lingers longer, and special effects last longer.

[ShadowScar Knight]

Ha, Edgar. He'd be a riot to play as. Not to mention be debatably the most unique playable character in the game, if he were to make it.

I'd love to play as him. Either him or Shadow, for consistent ninjer (sorry OK). But Edgar makes more sense, since Shadow's more of a lone wolf and may not care as much about helping Terra.

[Locke cole]

Hey guys, hey guys, hey guys.

Laguna. Also, world map. (http://dissidia.info/images/laguna.jpg)

[EVILNess]

Oh cool, Laguna isn't a bad choice methinks.

[Drownball-Champ]

That is awesome. Now they just need to announce Vivi as the new FFIX rep and there will be a very high chance I buy this.

[POS Industries]

Hey guys, hey guys, hey guys.

Laguna. Also, world map. (http://dissidia.info/images/laguna.jpg)
Ahhahahaha in your face, entire rest of the shitty FF8 cast!

[Flarecobra]

Wow, Laguna's EX Burst appears to be a real "Fuck you and your face." from the looks of those missile launchers.

[Locke cole]

HOVERBOARD MADE OUT OF GUNS.

[Bells]

Wow, it looks like they are adding an actual "travel mode" with party system and worldmap, closer to an classic FF RPG. this is actually turning out to be pretty awesome!

[Doc ock rokc]

HOVERBOARD MADE OUT OF GUNS.

If I didn't see it I wouldn't have believed it. Hell I see it and I still call Bullshit!

He is going to be a Close fighter's nightmare...and Probably opened the door for vivi! (still has hope!)

[Squall Leonhart]

Holy shit that looks pretty awesome! And here I thought VIII wasn't going to get any love at all, glad I was wrong!

[Flarecobra]

You know, with Laguna in there now, I guess it pretty much killed any chance Vincent would be in.

[Dracorion]

Who gives half a crap about Vincent, though?

[Drownball-Champ]

You know, with Laguna in there now, I guess it pretty much killed any chance Vincent would be in.

I think Tifa's inclusion would have killed any chance Vincent had of getting in.

[Donomni]

Laguna has all the guns. ALL OF THEM.

Coolness aside, this made me realize that Sazh will probably not be in this game. Fuck.

[bluestarultor]

Laguna has all the guns. ALL OF THEM.

Coolness aside, this made me realize that Sazh will probably not be in this game. Fuck.

Or, thinking of it oppositely, it might increase his chances. If you have gun weaponry for one person, it makes sense to give it to others so it's not wasted. Unless they end up expanding Machines and just setting those as Laguna's default. Otherwise, he's either throwing his bullets or toting a surprisingly long-ranged sword or something.

Edit: And, surprisingly enough, the same logic could probably be extended to Edgar. Yes, he uses spears as his actual best weaponry, but the Machines class could house his Tools beautifully for another equip type.

[Flarecobra]

But not this go-around at least.

[bluestarultor]

But not this go-around at least.

Why do you say that? We were promised 4-10 characters and only have 5 announced with a 6th confirmed for 9 by way of the Prima Vista (which is probably going to be Vivi). That leaves adequate room for 4 more, which aren't necessarily all going to be villains. Also, nobody said Sazh would have to be on Cosmos' side. He might pull a deal with the devil for his son. He was desperate enough to try to kill a demigod in 13. For that matter, Terra is a villain now. Also, even Vivi might not be a good guy. With all their memories gone, all it would take is someone telling him he was going to die if he didn't obey them and the little guy would reluctantly go off to fry Cosmos' side without any memory of all the help Zidane gave him. Imagine Shantotto's quotes facing him. Doll references much?

Plus, just because someone starts on one side doesn't mean they stay there in this game. Kain seems properly conflicted and neither Terra nor Kuja's portraits have been flipped (which would be piss-easy to do, seriously one operation). Ultimecia even might be neutral.

[Flarecobra]

Female intuitation.

However I may be wrong.

[Grand Master Kickface]

I want to see Guy, from Final Fantasy II! His final smash would be to summon a sea of beavers.

[bluestarultor]

Female intuitation.

However I may be wrong.

I'd be surprised if they didn't find a way to open up the gun section. Otherwise, they may as well be exclusive, and if not, it severely limits him in that his inventory consists of (technically) universal equipment.



EditBump: UPDATE! Edea confirmed as an alternate costume for Ultimecia! Plus some other stuff. Squall's new alt is an abomination based directly on his Amano art and Onion Knight has a dark outfit with the same color scheme as Sora in KH2. Cloud of Darkness has a light-looking one.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Dissidia_012_Final_Fantasy#Edea.2C_Cloud_of_L ight_and_Sora_confirmed

[Kerensky287]

The japanese site (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/) has a bunch of (I think?) yet-unmentioned details on its character page.

Stuff I noticed:
-Gabranth's alt costume is Basch. Confirmation that we might have different costumes acting as clone characters? (ie I expect Cloud to have a Zack costume.)
-Kefka has a weird poofy alt costume; it looks outrageously stupid.
-Terra has a new blue alt costume that I can't really identify.
-Tifa's ex mode gloves look really silly.
-Vaan can use a gun. His ex burst includes Pyroclasm, by the way... obvious but now confirmed.

Right now there's also a DLC menu on the website. All it has on it is the Lightning and Cloud unlockables from Parasite Eve and Birth By Sleep Final Mix (we knew about those), but maybe that means there'll be DLC this time around? Who knows.

[Locke cole]

Kefka's new outfit is based on his Amano artwork. (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100705052560/finalfantasy/images/thumb/5/55/Kefka2.jpg/374px-Kefka2.jpg)

And anyway, "outrageously stupid" is just about right for him. It fits his overall style of clothing.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

It doesn't matter what people think of your fashion sense when you can blow them up with your mind

[Kim]

Kefka has all the scarves.

[POS Industries]

And anyway, "outrageously stupid" is just about right for him. It fits his overall style of clothing.
Yeah, I've never understood why some people view Kefka's fashion sense as a detriment to the quality of his character design. Looking like an idiot at all times right up until he destroyed the world was what made him so awesome!

[Kim]

He's a clown. He's supposed to look like an idiot.

[bluestarultor]

The japanese site (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/) has a bunch of (I think?) yet-unmentioned details on its character page.

Stuff I noticed:
-Gabranth's alt costume is Basch. Confirmation that we might have different costumes acting as clone characters? (ie I expect Cloud to have a Zack costume.)

This is new and is worth a mention over at FF Wiki.


-Kefka has a weird poofy alt costume; it looks outrageously stupid.
-Terra has a new blue alt costume that I can't really identify.
-Tifa's ex mode gloves look really silly.
-Vaan can use a gun. His ex burst includes Pyroclasm, by the way... obvious but now confirmed.

Right now there's also a DLC menu on the website. All it has on it is the Lightning and Cloud unlockables from Parasite Eve and Birth By Sleep Final Mix (we knew about those), but maybe that means there'll be DLC this time around? Who knows.

This was already known. Terra's blue outfit is from one of Amano's billion drawings of her recently released in an art book. Kefka's outfit is the same. Tifa's gloves are, of course, the Premium Heart, which, yeah, looks pretty silly even in FF7. Vaan's EX Burst will work the same as Gabranth's and likewise use his FF12 Quickening abilities. Vaan is unique in that he has the ability to change weaponry on the fly to most of FF12's weapon types, and doing so unleashes a more powerful attack as a first hit. Doing HP attacks always resets him to barehanded, though, which doesn't possess that attribute.

Also, we're learning more about Laguna. Not only will he have his machine gun, but it's confirmed he'll also have a rocket launcher at his disposal and screens show him with a sniper rifle. He'll be able to shoot while moving with at least the machine gun, but past that, we don't know quite what his abilities are. His EX Burst is called Full Salvo unless it gets a retranslation.

[Locke cole]

Well, he's not actually a clown. In fact, he was freaking Prime Minister or the equivalent before he went all cuckoo. I think he just likes those clothes because he's crazy.

Clown is simpler and gets the point across faster and clearer, though.

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and Laguna's EX Burst is supposed to be sparkly, and opens with a declaration that "The Faeries have come!"

[Kim]

Laguna's EX Burst is supposed to be sparkly, and opens with a declaration that "The Faeries have come!"

??? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPsw_t42tx0)

[bluestarultor]

??? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPsw_t42tx0)

WhatisthatIdon'teven-?

[Squall Leonhart]

The japanese site (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/) has a bunch of (I think?) yet-unmentioned details on its character page.

Stuff I noticed:
-Gabranth's alt costume is Basch. Confirmation that we might have different costumes acting as clone characters? (ie I expect Cloud to have a Zack costume.)[...]Not really. If you remember correctly at the beginning of Final Fantasy XII King Raminas is "killed" by Basch who was, in fact Gabranth disguised as his brother to accuse Basch of high treason and successfully claim Dalmasca for the Empire.

[Nique]

and Laguna's EX Burst is supposed to be sparkly, and opens with a declaration that "The Faeries have come!"


When you play Laguna in FFVIII he mysteriously has access to all of your main party's GFs and magic and stuff. Whenever that happens he thinks that it's because of faeries but really it's becuase his adopted daughter is causing him to be possesed by his future son becuase thats the only way to fix the past whafuck-

[bluestarultor]

Not really. If you remember correctly at the beginning of Final Fantasy XII King Raminas is "killed" by Basch who was, in fact Gabranth disguised as his brother to accuse Basch of high treason and successfully claim Dalmasca for the Empire.

To nitpick, doesn't that still count considering his costume is a costume of Basch?


Edit:
When you play Laguna in FFVIII he mysteriously has access to all of your main party's GFs and magic and stuff. Whenever that happens he thinks that it's because of faeries but really it's becuase his adopted daughter is causing him to be possesed by his future son becuase thats the only way to fix the past whafuck-

Actually, Ellone eventually admits that was what she was trying to do, but she finally realized all it did was make them relive events as they had already happened and didn't change a damn thing. Basically, all she did was create a stable time loop.

Edit Edit: Interestingly, so did Ultimecia. All she wanted to do was prevent SeeD from coming and killing her, but her very actions to prevent that eventuality were what caused SeeD to be formed and come after her in the first place. It really is quite tragic once you finally understand what's going on. All she really wanted was to be left in peace and she couldn't even have that because of the eventuality of everything. She's not evil for evil's sake so much as incredibly bitter, hurt, and angry over her own fate, which is honestly pretty understandable.

[Squall Leonhart]

To nitpick, doesn't that still count considering his costume is a costume of Basch?[...]I suppose that counts as a pseudo appearance in a way, but what I'm really getting at is that I don't think that's a reason for us to think that "Basch's appearance" is a reason for us to think Zack could be an alternate form of Cloud or Seifer of Squall.