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[Fifthfiend]

Zack Snyder has been chosen to direct the new installment of Superman for Warner Bros and Legendary Pictures.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/zack-snyder-directing-superman/

Prediction:

Stubble.

So, so very much "Superman is DARK and ANGRY" stubble.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Well, they tried going the intelligent route with Bryan Singer and that didn't really work out too well so this seems pretty logical.

Edit: How likely is it that the tights are going to be worn as an intimidation tactic?

[Kim]

Nolan's producing it though, isn't he? I mean, I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, either, but it's definitely a thing.

[Fifthfiend]

I thought it was a thing but it was a thing that led to Director Zack Snyder so at best it's not enough of a thing for that to not happen.

I mean maybe it was some upper-level executive saying HURFLE BURFLE GET THAT GUY WHO MADE THE ROMANS MOVIE and Nolan's sitting there going "uggh well maybe I can ride herd on this idiot and get him to make an actually good movie" or maybe nolan's like "Zack Snyder, just the guy to darkly darken up this dark Superman movie that I've been darkly wanting to produce, in the DARK. X-Treeeeeeeeeeme!" Who knows?

[Krylo]

Giving directors too much credit. Not that I can blame you, that's kind of a thing that people do.

However, whether Supes is dark or not is going to be on Goyer's head. That's a writing thing.

If he's written as a boyscout it's going to be pretty difficult for Snyder to make him all dark without rewriting the entire script on the fly. If he's written darkly, then, likewise, regardless of who you have directing, they'd have a hard time making him a boyscout without rewriting the script.

There's plenty of wiggle room if he's written somewhere in the middle, granted, where a director can cause it to veer one way or the other, but I don't think I've seen middle of the road supes. It's either grimdark or boyscout.

Not that any of this changes the probability of Supes being dark. Goyer's done, what? Blade Trilogy? And had his hands in the Nolan Batman flicks.

Yeah.

[POS Industries]

Well, they tried going the intelligent route with Bryan Singer and that didn't really work out too well so this seems pretty logical.
It was really less the "intelligent" route as it was the "Fuck you, Superman, why are you even here?" route.

Lois' new boyfriend spent more time doing actual heroics and being an all around great guy more than Superman did during the whole movie. All Supes did was lift a kryptonite island into space, which was retarded because he should never have been able to do that in the first place. Meanwhile, Cyclops over there was flying in with his plane to rescue everyone (Superman included) all while raising Lois' loser asthmatic alien-hybrid kid as his own like it was nothing.

Fuck you, Superman Returns Superman. You are the worst Superman. Long live Zack Snyder Superman and his inevitable 3-foot-long CGI superdonger.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm just not even sure how you would really do a Superman movie because Supes just doesn't really work as an action hero unless greatly depowered.

[Kim]

Personally, I'd love to see Nolan in charge of a movie adaptation of Red Son, but I don't think that'll be happening any time soon so oh well.

[Amake]

Robert Zemeckis directing a movie adaptation of All-Star Superman.

That is all.

[Fifthfiend]

Giving directors too much credit. Not that I can blame you, that's kind of a thing that people do.

However, whether Supes is dark or not is going to be on Goyer's head. That's a writing thing.

If he's written as a boyscout it's going to be pretty difficult for Snyder to make him all dark without rewriting the entire script on the fly. If he's written darkly, then, likewise, regardless of who you have directing, they'd have a hard time making him a boyscout without rewriting the script.

There's plenty of wiggle room if he's written somewhere in the middle, granted, where a director can cause it to veer one way or the other, but I don't think I've seen middle of the road supes. It's either grimdark or boyscout.

Not that any of this changes the probability of Supes being dark. Goyer's done, what? Blade Trilogy? And had his hands in the Nolan Batman flicks.

Yeah.

The thing is I'm less worried about a "dark" movie than just a stupid movie. Like Goyer/Nolan have done some pretty dark movies but those were all movies where dark was what worked for the story they were telling and the characters and setting they were working from and basically contributed to them being really good movies.

So basically all along I've been asking, is this gonna be a thing where these people make a good movie based on what is the best story that is suited to the characters and setting they are working from?

Or are they gonna make a Dark Movie because they Make Movies That Are Dark? Because if the latter's what they're doing, then they're just bein' stupid, and a stupid movie's what they're gonna make.

And Christopher Nolan seems to know a few things about making movies and David Goyer is pretty decent when he's not writing Blade III so I was preeeetty hopeful but putting David Snyder on the thing kind of swings me the other way.

...also see POS's post. SR shows that you can dodge the "grimdark vs boyscout" thing entirely, and still just like... make a movie where Superman is a daterapist deadbeat-dad homewrecking stalker.

Robert Zemeckis directing a movie adaptation of All-Star Superman.

That is all.

God, yes, this.

Even aside from this, what kills me is just that there are like... SO MANY things that someone could do with a Superman movie, that aren't the shit that has been done with Superman movies.

[Premmy]

I just want my adaptation of Birthright, is that so much to ask?

[Fifthfiend]

Honestly I need to see Superman's origin story humped to death by some moviemaker about as badly as I need to see it humped to death in any other medium.

It's not even like with Batman where the origin is the entire character, the Superman origin is like "Good guy has power to do good, decides to do good". There's nothing you can do with Superman in an origin story that you can't do at a later point in his superheroing career and have it be more interesting because you can run from the assumption of existing relationships rather than painstakingly reinventing them.

People in mud hovels in Mudhovelsville, Pakistan know Superman's origin, just like, put the motherfucker in Metropolis and have him do some heroic inspirational shit and like, beat up a robot and stop the sun from dying and individually hug every single child in the world and punch a rich guy in the face.

[Kim]

I also would not mind an All-Star Superman movie, but made by not these guys.

Zach Snyder can direct All-Star Batman.

[Fifthfiend]

Whoa, I actually want them to make that movie. It would be perfectly shittacular the way that Frank Miller's The Spirit was shittacular.

[Amake]

People in mud hovels in Mudhovelsville, Pakistan know Superman's origin True. ASS does it perfectly (like everything else) by reducing the eighty years of backstory to eight words.

(Doomed planet. Desperate scientist. Last hope. Kindly couple.)

What you've got to remember is that Superman is one of the five most famous people in the history of the world. There's a bigger chance you need to tell people Jesus' origin story than Superman's. In the words of Monty Python, get on with it!

[Nique]

Inserting Modern Relevance:

LutherCorp : Too Big to Fail?

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Here is a crazy idea. Show the movie from Luthor's point of view.

[Nique]

There have been a few comics where they did just that and IIRC a lot of them were pretty good.

Anyone think Clancy Brown could actually do Lex as a live actor?

[Wigmund]

That'd be great, and if Tim Daly could pull off a live-action Superman I'd be truly happy.

[Nique]

Tim Daly

As much as I like his voice, I think he's a little old. Honestly, I really liked Brandon Routh as Superman/ Clark, the movie itself just wasn't that good.

Honestly I need to see Superman's origin story humped to death by some moviemaker about as badly as I need to see it humped to death in any other medium.


Part of the problem is finding movie-able Superman stories. I mean... for being THE Superhero, his rouge's gallery sort of sucks. A Lex Luthor as an evil corporate entity per modern continuity would be a nice approach but come on - Metallo? Toyman? Lobo? No way to make a good live action Lobo unless it is Brad Garret in a monkey suit and EVEN THEN.*

Just... give me a movie where Superman actually says stuff this time.

* Yeah I know I'm really giddy about the animated show's voice actors

[greed]

As much as I like his voice, I think he's a little old. Honestly, I really liked Brandon Routh as Superman/ Clark, the movie itself just wasn't that good.



Part of the problem is finding movie-able Superman stories. I mean... for being THE Superhero, his rouge's gallery sort of sucks. A Lex Luthor as an evil corporate entity per modern continuity would be a nice approach but come on - Metallo? Toyman? Lobo? No way to make a good live action Lobo unless it is Brad Garret in a monkey suit and EVEN THEN.*

Just... give me a movie where Superman actually says stuff this time.

* Yeah I know I'm really giddy about the animated show's voice actors


I dunno Ron Pearlman could make a good Lobo, only issue is he'd end up looking a lot like Hellboy.

I mean we could always have Darkseid, though he would probably be more appropriate for a Justice League movie. Parasite could also work in a fucked up creepy way.

[Magus]

I am going to be positive and suspect that it is entirely possible for Zack Snyder to take the correct tone with Superman. After all, both 300 and Watchmen had appropriately dark tones; it is entirely possible that Zack Snyder is just good at doing the correct tone with stuff and will do the same with The Man of Steel.

...okay yeah he probably won't I hate everything. HATE HATE HATE