Battlestar Galactica/ Caprica

[Nique]

Wow this show is fantastic, why didn't you bastards ever tell me? Now the last decade of Cylon jokes make sense to me!

EDIT: Also, totally getting my 'Firefly shaky space camera' fix now.
EDIT Mark II: Remembered to tag thread.

[Eltargrim]

BSG = <3

Caprica: eeh. Pilot didn't sell me. Maybe when I have some free time.

[Azisien]

I followed BSG until the end of Season 3.

I regretted that third season. First season was the shit, second was pretty damn good. They lost me with all the fluffy hooky pooky bullshit that you'll probably be accustomed to soon.

[Fifthfiend]

Everyone should watch Battlestar Galactica up to at least the very first episode of Season 3.

What you choose to do after that, no man may tell you.

[Nique]

After 6 episodes, I'm noticing how they are not shy at all about outing people as Cylons. Somebody tell me this doesn't turn into the part of the show I'm going to hate.

[Tev]

After 6 episodes, I'm noticing how they are not shy at all about outing people as Cylons. Somebody tell me this doesn't turn into the part of the show I'm going to hate.
I've not really watched the show at all but from what I keep hearing, in this remake, everyone is a closet Cylon. Oh, and the easiest way to tell is to have sex with them because their spine glows or some shit.

[Archbio]

No matter how good Caprica would have looked, Battlestar Galactica's ending was just something I could never forgive.

And Caprica did look like it had some intriguing elements, judging from the commercials, like the MMORPG thing. Of course, the commercials also make every scene and every character sound so whiny to me, somehow, so I don't regret getting into it quite that much.

[Magus]

Battlestar Galactica is awesome (well, I've only watched up until the end of Season 3, so far...yeah, the people revealed as cylons made no sense in the finale, but I'll forgive this show for the amazingness up til then and I may end up liking Season 4 anyway despite everybody complaining about the ending).

Also I'm not sure why everybody dislikes Season 3? Pretty awesome, overall, between the occupation, the vigilanteism, Gaeta stabbing Gaius in the neck with a pen but missing his artery. ("Everyone here knows you tried to kill me! Oh, but you missed, didn't you, Butterfingers!"). Yeah there were character-based episodes that didn't really add much to it, but I still enjoyed it overall.

But yeah, seeing the end of Season 3, I can imagine the plot holes tearing it apart, since as much as I think it seriously makes no sense. But I'm going to watch Season 4 anyway and I'll see what I think of it.

Caprica has been the most boring-ass show I've ever watched. I am serious about this. I'm pretty sure the way to "appeal to female viewers" is not to bore the hell out of them. I've patiently watched all the episodes thus far and it is extremely boring. You know how BSG has all those cool-ass space battles and political intrigue and "enemy within" stuff going on? There's basically none of that in Caprica. There is some slight political intrigue sort of but not really. It's just really really boring and slow. Episodes are agonizing to watch, like watching paint dry. Seeing all the interesting things in Caprican society and how it is the same as ours but also different was cool for the first few episodes, then it's just painful to watch.

And no, New Cap City (the in-series MMORPG, although it's actually more like a virtual reality LARP, really) is not cool at all, it's incredibly stupid and pointless. So pointless.

[Archbio]

I may end up liking Season 4 anyway despite everybody complaining about the ending).

Hell, I downright liked maybe half (or even up to two thirds, I don't recall) of the very last episode itself. Up to the end there were (arguably) interesting threads, awesome sequences and not quite fully assassinated characters. I think that's exactly what made the ending impossible to swallow. But you'll see.

And no, New Cap City (the in-series MMORPG, although it's actually more like a virtual reality LARP, really) is not cool at all, it's incredibly stupid and pointless. So pointless.

Concept versus execution, I suppose.

Are the characters really whiny in the show itself? I still can't get over how the ads manage to make characters shouting and making stuff blow up look whiny.

[Magus]

Well two of the major characters are whiny teenage girls, yeah. They're also dead but reincarnated as virtual reality AIs which makes their whininess go up to a million. But all the adults are whiny too. Greystone whines about his dead daughter and his problems with his company, Greystone's wife whines about her dead brother Joe Adama whines about his dead daughter and racism, everybody is pretty whiny overall. Except for Joe Adama's gay mafioso brother who never whines at all. He's more of the type to stab people instead. There is also the religious fanatic leader woman who doesn't whine very much, though why I am supposed to care about her organization I am still not sure.

There is way less explosions than you think. The explosions are caused by suicide-bomber terrorists who are only tenuously connected to the actual main storyline of Greystone creating the Cylons. The idea is all this is somehow going to come together into the religious fanatic Cylons, but getting there is apparently six tons of boring.

The idea (and I don't think I'm really spoiling anything, this is in the Pilot), is that Zoe Greystone created this super program to make an AI copy of herself that she then stuck into virtual reality-interweb zone on Caprica. Zoe was also a member of the Soldiers of the One, which is a religious fanatic organization that has sprung up. Zoe gets blown up on a train while riding with one of her STO buddies (one who is actually into the suicide-bombing stuff). Zoe's father discovers her fake AI copy on the interweb and decides to stick it into a real robot body in an attempt to get her back. For some reason I cannot figure out, other than that she is a self-righteous little shit who truly hates her heart-sick father beyond all reason, she refuses to make any communication to him that she is indeed in the robot and so he figures he's just made a decent AI-equipped robot rather than a copy of his daughter and proceeds to try and sell it as a mass-produced military weapon.

This leads me up to the main problem with the show which is none of it makes sense. STO-leader lady recently came up with the idea to create a virtual reality heaven for suicide-bombers' fake AI copies to live in after they blow themselves up. Why would religious fanatics want to make a fake heaven for people's fake AIs to live in? This would be an incredibly lame fate for anyone who even objectively thinks about it (and why do they call it such a stupid highbrow term as "apotheosis", I swear to The One True God they say apotheosis nine hundred frakking times an episode). Yeah, apotheosis is a great way to get people to blow themselves up, but they were accomplishing that without actually delivering an actual heaven to the people doing the blowing up. The actual entrance into an AI-Copy Heaven seems rather non-contingent on blowing yourself up, if one were to objectively think about it (I know, religious fanatics don't objectively think about stuff). You could get in through some other means. You don't have to get in via the STO method at all.

Plus, the fake AI-Heaven created looked way boring. Fountains and glowy stuff and shit? Lame. Looks like Rivendell outta LOTR> New Cap City looks like a way more fun AI-Heaven than that crap, and you get to do it while you're alive!

Why is it so totally impossible for Greystone to recreate his 15 year old daughter's AI creation program when he's like a super genius? How the heck are the Soldiers of the One going to somehow come together with the Beta-Cylons to create religious fanatic Cylons, 'cause right now it doesn't look like those two plot lines are EVER going to come back together. Ever.

Because frankly I don't think there is going to be a second season of Caprica unless a lot more people are watching this show than I think are watching it. I can't stand it, myself. They should've went with the easy money and made a prequel to Battlestar Galactica about William Adama and Saul Tigh fighting the first Cylon war. Absolutely no one cares about all the crap leading up to it, at least if this is all there is to it, this show.