Proof Twilight Ruins Everything...

[RobinStarwing]

Superman Gets Hipster Makeover (http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/crush/superman-gets-a-hipster-makeover/488)

So I saw the picture and quite frankly...it sucks. I may not be a comic book fanboy but I grew up with Superman as part of my childhood and this kinda ruins the image of what I grew up with.

Yes I know, this isn't going to replace the continuities. It's just a (and I quote from the article somewhat) a "hip, sexy, and moody" re-interpretation of his younger days. As you can tell, the fact they mention how he looks like Robert Pattinson kinda irked me.

Ugh...how about stopping with this re-interpretation and just stick to what we had fun reading and watching? Please?

I chose the Comics Icon because we don't got a head-shake one.

[Loyal]

http://i52.tinypic.com/4fzcav.png

Hmm... (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1073402&postcount=13)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Seriously, what is it with these Gritty Reboots these days? Why does everything need to do this? Oh wait, people are lazy and running out of ideas, that's why. Never mind.

Not that I care about Superman or anything either though (does anyone really?)

Hmm, makes me wonder when the inevitable Batman Gritty Reboot is coming (can you even Gritty Reboot Batman? Or is that too meta?)

[MuMu]

I blame more the site than the idea itself for the looking like Pattinson compliment.

Honestly, hoodie aside, I'm interested in how this is going to turn out, about time DC created their Ultimate verse.

Hmm, makes me wonder when the inevitable Batman Gritty Reboot is coming (can you even Gritty Reboot Batman? Or is that too meta?)

The Nolanverse isn't gritty enough to you?

[Aerozord]

Gritty reboot batman is just, batman. I mean he was made to be gritty, they just gravitated away from that, like with Ninja Turtles

But yea, how can you make superman gritty? He's SUPERMAN

[synkr0nized]

Donning A Hoody And Making Your Eyes Glow Is Gritty Now?
This Just Looks Like Marketing To "Youth" Readers

[Loyal]

I can't tell if he's supposed to be opening his shirt or jacket or just clenching his fists. The hands don't look remotely connected to the fabric.

[Aerozord]

I just realized, he looks alot like the main character of Prototype now

[Kim]

I just realized, he looks alot like the main character of Prototype now

Needs about twenty more popped collars.

[Nique]

Ugh. Yeah I want to try to not care about this but it bothers me kind of a lot. This is just me, but in my mind Clark Kent is supposed to be a kind of nerd's nerd - A inteligent but somewhat bumbling introvert with an extremely rich inner world (or, in this case, secret identity).

'Birthright' handled the young adult Superman pretty masterfully. I'm not opposed to another origins story per se, but... 'smoldering eyes'?

[Seil]

http://www.geekshow.us/wp/wp-content/uploads/image/superman_dccomics_art.jpg =/= http://i52.tinypic.com/4fzcav.png

Way too many grits for my tastes. (http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_103_if-hollywood-decided-to-give-everything-gritty-reboot_p26)

[Fifthfiend]

They've spent so much time trying to make Superman a dour moody douche in every single thing they put Superman in that it would actually be bold, innovative, and utterly counterintuitive for someone to just fucking like, make him straightforwardly heroic and optimistic.

[Seil]

I always thought is was Superboy who was the douche.

[RobinStarwing]

Way too many grits for my tastes. (http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_103_if-hollywood-decided-to-give-everything-gritty-reboot_p26)

Thank you Seil!

[Fifthfiend]

I always thought is was Superboy who was the douche.

diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Nique]

I always thought is was Superboy who was the douche.

>: (

[Grimpond]

I always thought is was Superboy who was the douche.

god damnit seil

[Marc v4.0]

I just realized, he looks alot like the main character of Prototype now


http://i52.tinypic.com/4fzcav.png

My name is Clark Kent. I'm the reason for all this.


Ok, so, no, really, how is this related to Twilight, which isn't gritty or moody or dark or "hip" but instead masturbatory self-idolization?

[RobinStarwing]

http://i52.tinypic.com/4fzcav.png

My name is Clark Kent. I'm the reason for all this.


Ok, so, no, really, how is this related to Twilight, which isn't gritty or moody or dark or "hip" but instead masturbatory self-idolization?

Actually...Twilight is gritty, moody, dark, hip masturbatory self-idolization for those who are unfortunately superfans of it. I count my 25yo best friend as one of the the poor casualties of Twilight's stupidity.

On an unrelated note...am I the only one who applauded the last episode of Supernatural for being titled "Live Free or Twihard" and it's blasting mockery of the Vampire craze sweeping young girls? Or am I the only one who watches that series?

[Magus]

I think I threw up in my mouth, a little.

[Seil]

I will admit the only Superboy comic I've ever read is the one where he ends up in a museum devoted to Superman with a Jimmy Olsen tour guide and Olsen looks at the Superboy statue and remarks off-handedly about how lame he was as an enemy of Superman, and Superboy flips out.

And all of it is being guided by some figure in a cloak that turns out to be future-Superboy. The last panel in the comic was Superboy at home in Kent looking at things on the computer, yellin' at his folks to bring him his grilled cheese and tomato soup.

[Nique]

Superboy statue and remarks off-handedly about how lame he was as an enemy of Superman, and Superboy flips out.

shutup shutup shutup shutup!

[Archbio]

Can't there be middle ground between Richard Pryor skying off a roof and the freaking hoodie?

[Shyria Dracnoir]

The Nolanverse isn't gritty enough to you? In my mind, Nolan is gritty done right. It produces a mature atmosphere, (semi) serious tone, and one of the most terrifying Jokers in existence without the aid of a tanker truck's worth of fake blood or the need to bleep out every third word. This....oy, this is just a sign Hollywood needs a big ol' syringe of happy juice straight up the rectum.

[RobinStarwing]

Can't there be middle ground between Richard Pryor skying off a roof and the freaking hoodie?

Unfortunately, no their can't be a middle ground. >_> Hollywood hates the Middle Ground with a passion.

[bluestarultor]

In my mind, Nolan is gritty done right. It produces a mature atmosphere, (semi) serious tone, and one of the most terrifying Jokers in existence without the aid of a tanker truck's worth of fake blood or the need to bleep out every third word. This....oy, this is just a sign Hollywood needs a big ol' syringe of happy juice straight up the rectum.

Whether you intended it or not, I'm pretty sure you just said "fuck them."

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Oh, I more than intended it. Me, Flare, and Mauve still plan on nuking the fuck out of them once I get my muse to sit down and focus. It's got all the attention of a curiosity sphere on crack, sadly.

[bluestarultor]

Oh, I more than intended it. Me, Flare, and Mauve still plan on nuking the fuck out of them once I get my muse to sit down and focus. It's got all the attention of a curiosity sphere on crack, sadly.

I thought Thad liked strong coffee? :dance:

[Marc v4.0]

Actually...Twilight is gritty, moody, dark, hip masturbatory self-idolization for those who are unfortunately superfans of it.

That doesn't make it gritty, moody and dark in reality just because some people have convinced themselves it is in their head. It has to actually BE those things or it is not those things.

Which is isn't.

They also think is is deep and well written, but I don't see that happening here in the real world.

[Loyal]

Guys, guys, guys. It's obvious.

Alex Mercer, the new Dante, and this new Superman are, in fact, all the same guy: A troubled and confused teen who likes to dress up as superhumans, and pretend he's the protagonist of an unfortunate story, to cover up his myriad identity crises.

[Magus]

Superman can't really be dark and gritty because there is nothing dark and gritty to get out of the original concept. Guy wears bright primary-colored outfit and flies around bashing people in the face and saving Lois Lane from breaking a nail in the comics. The "darkest" it got in other media was maybe Superman II which was still about a bunch of supers flying around and punching each other.

In order to make it dark and gritty you have to alter the original concept which makes it not the original concept anymore. Take Green Arrow, for instance. In order to make it dark and gritty so the Green Arrow could kill people they altered the character from a super liberal hero into a gritty conservative vigilante killing criminals in Seattle. It wasn't the Green Arrow anymore 'cause the Green Arrow is a bleeding heart hippie! That's just who Oliver Queen is!

EDIT: BTW still looking for the Batman/Green Arrow team-up comic where Batman's tough-on-crime assaults against criminals, bordering on torture, clashes with Green Arrows personality and ethics, plus neither of them have super powers but instead rely on gadgets. There was an episode of The Batman cartoon with this team-up concept and it was pretty sweet, frankly (in a cartoon that was kind of bad overall). Needs a comic book series, I'd find it way more interesting than Superman/Batman team-up.

ANOTHER EDIT: Actually the best use of the "dark and gritty" Superman concept was when Superman had to struggle with his desire to murder Lex Luthor in the Justice League cartoon, and later they encounter a team of Justice Lords from another dimension where Superman went through with the killing and declared martial law and created a dystopian Earth free of crime and ruled by the iron fist of superheroes. They could go ahead and alter this concept of Superman struggling with his desire to murder people into a live-action movie but they won't do it because it was actually good.

[Aerozord]

ANOTHER EDIT: Actually the best use of the "dark and gritty" Superman concept was when Superman had to struggle with his desire to murder Lex Luthor in the Justice League cartoon, and later they encounter a team of Justice Lords from another dimension where Superman went through with the killing and declared martial law and created a dystopian Earth free of crime and ruled by the iron fist of superheroes. They could go ahead and alter this concept of Superman struggling with his desire to murder people into a live-action movie but they won't do it because it was actually good.

I agree, DCAU did about as much as you could with Superman. Only dark and gritty you can get from him is his constant need to hold back his power, the consequences if he didn't, and how greatly it alienates him from everyone. His life is complicated but not difficult. His powers make any conventional life problems non-existant.

[BloodyMage]

On an unrelated note...am I the only one who applauded the last episode of Supernatural for being titled "Live Free or Twihard" and it's blasting mockery of the Vampire craze sweeping young girls? Or am I the only one who watches that series?

That episode was one of the better ones in a other wise rather disappointing season so far. I don't know if I would call it a blasting mockery. More like gentle ribbing since the CW wouldn't want to upset their own vampire craze show, Vampire Diaries.

[Fifthfiend]

So I read this comic, it was pretty balls-dumb.

There were parts that were good but those were the parts that are going to be good in every Superman origin story because let's face it, when Clark Kent decides "all right, I'm gonna put on this costume and go save some people's lives and punch this alien motherfucker in the face" that's pretty much always going to be a good moment, even if you do decide to draw him all fucking Brandon Routherman.

All the new stuff was basically shit though. Also J. Michael Straczynski Perry White lecturing the audience Clark on How Jurmalism Wurks is shit that you learn in high school except that JMS gets his lecture-points wrong.

[RobinStarwing]

That episode was one of the better ones in a other wise rather disappointing season so far. I don't know if I would call it a blasting mockery. More like gentle ribbing since the CW wouldn't want to upset their own vampire craze show, Vampire Diaries.

Yeah, the season isn't up to the bar the series set for itself but it hasn't jumped the shark quite yet.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

And hear I though Twilight merely ruined Vampires. But I see that I was wrong, horribly wrong.

Oh Hollywood, it's so hard to respect you in any way.

[Doc ock rokc]

...and how is this any different from when Marvel did their "Ultimate" universe? oh...they are making it cannon? no? GOOD! I mean I am kinda glad in a small way that they gave Wonder Woman pants ...but I hate their Dark and gridy BS story. But Not to worry This is DC we are talking about. Every time they tryed to Change their Iconic characters it has blown up in their faces. In 6-7 months it will all be back to normal. Hopefully.

[Magus]

It's only canon on Earth 627 or something stupid like that. God I hate the alternate earth stuff in these comics, so horrible. The assumption that comic book readers cannot grasp the existence of non-canonical oneshots and limited series that are not physically part of the canon-comic universe and possibly accessible by wormhole whenever Superboy Prime has to resurrect Jason Todd is stupid. We can all separate these things, they shouldn't be made canonical parts of a multiverse so writers can use them as backdoors for inane convoluted plot developments.

[bluestarultor]

It's only canon on Earth 627 or something stupid like that. God I hate the alternate earth stuff in these comics, so horrible. The assumption that comic book readers cannot grasp the existence of non-canonical oneshots and limited series that are not physically part of the canon-comic universe and possibly accessible by wormhole whenever Superboy Prime has to resurrect Jason Todd is stupid. We can all separate these things, they shouldn't be made canonical parts of a multiverse so writers can use them as backdoors for inane convoluted plot developments.

The thing is shitty writers love to have those back doors for the express purpose of using them because they know they're shitty writers.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

And hear I though Twilight merely ruined Vampires. But I see that I was wrong, horribly wrong.

Oh Hollywood, it's so hard to respect you in any way.

Don't worry, we have top men working on that right now (http://nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1085400&postcount=1720)

[The Sevenshot Kid]

It was... okay. It reads a lot like a lame knock-off of Birthright.