Pokemon Umbral Theatre 19: Important notice! [Archive]

Astral Harmony

01-09-2011, 12:46 AM

That's right, Dracorion. Here's basically how a phase* for a Deckmaster class would work.

* Y'know how turns are divided between the hero and villain phases? Yeah.

A Deckmaster's own actions during his phase is split up into several subphases. They are, in order, Upkeep, Wellspring, Deployment, and Action.

The Upkeep subphase doesn't occur on the first turn since you haven't laid down any cards to begin with. However, on subsequent turns, whenever you have a Fiend or a Strike or a Trap card or any combination of those that you either must or can pay elemental upkeep for, then you must/could during this subphase.

Then we come to our next subphase, the Wellspring subphase. Anyways, to start off with, there's this thing called an Elemental Wellspring. The Elemental Wellspring contains unalligned elements equal to the total number of Element cards in your deck, which usually has 50 cards but could have less, such as during the early encounters with Deckmasters.

There are some basic Fiend, Strike, and Trap cards that can be deployed with only unalligned elements, but for the vast majority of all of those three types of cards, you'll need to convert the unaligned elements into other elements by using your own Element cards. You can lay down as many Element cards as you have in your current hand, though I can't see a reason why someone wouldn't just lay them all down if they had them. These Element cards turn the unaligned elements into the elements you laid down.

Any of these elements are automatically spendable the moment you lay them down. And that's it.

Coming up next is the Deployment subphase. You pay elements to deploy Fiend cards (monsters with HPs and stuff), activate Strike cards (spells and even SignTechs), and set Trap cards (face down cards that activate only under certain conditions). Any elements you don't use aren't saved for the next turn, and simply go away.

After that is finally the Action subphase. You command Fiends to attack and determine targets for Strikes.

And actually, that's it. The problem I'm having with it as far as complexity goes is having to spend time determining which card you draw each turn by looking at your deck and making sure the card I pick isn't either already in your hand, on the field, or in your graveyard.

I think the system is pretty well-balanced. Having that Wellspring right at the start allows the enemy to defend themselves right off the bat, rather than spending a few turns hoping to draw the right cards while you pound them into submission before they can even deploy a Fiend.

As for elements, there are quite a large number of them. Earth, Water, Air, Fire, Ice, Lightning, Holy, Darkness, Miracle, Poison, Divine, Forbidden and Unalligned. I won't bother going into which elements oppose which. That doesn't really matter right at this point.

The Fiend cards are obviously the monsters in the deck. They can attack immediately upon deployment. Stronger Fiends usually require upkeep to be paid on the Upkeep phase or will suffer some form of disadvantage (damage, stat reduction or status effect) or even die. When being attacked, the attacker can designate a Fiend to be attacked. However, the Deckmaster could also have the Fiend take damage in his or her stead if the attacker designates the Deckmaster. There will be exceptions, most likely based around high speed stats allowing you or your Pokemon to "flash attack" the Deckmaster (hit them before they can designate a Fiend to defend). And there will likely be Fiend cards than can defend their Deckmaster even against high speed attackers.

The Strike cards could be considered the attacks, spells, and even Signature Techniques of the Deckmaster him/herself. The more powerful the Strike, the higher the cost. Some Strikes might extend their effects to additional turns if the Deckmaster pays upkeep to them.

The Trap cards are cards that just sit mysteriously facedown, the Deckmaster's enemies not knowing what they could do or what would set them off, though their effects could be considered more severe than Strike cards if unwisely activated. Stronger Trap cards might require upkeep in order to stayed Primed (able to be activated) or to keep their full effects for when they are activated.

More than likely, certain characters in either group will have a skill that will allow them to spend Rage to see what kind of effects Trap cards have and what it takes to activate them.

Anyways, the complications get worse than just deciding which cards you draw each turn. There's also the matter of having an allied Deckmaster in a formation. I couldn't possibly allow them to manipulate decks under the rules I've just stated. They'd be grossly overpowered, even more than characters like Irene.

Ultimately, I'll be experimenting with my whole plan on how it goes down when you guys fight Sexy the badass world-destroying gynoid produced by meta-advanced hypertechnologies.

Menarker

01-09-2011, 01:00 AM

... ok...

I got a question then. Several actually.

How are these fiend monsters assigned stats? Are they assigned in much the same way as everyone else with hitpoints, speed, attack, defense and all that?
Can they be attacked directly or effected with debuffs or buffs? Do fiends have weaknesses/resistances to element types or status afflictions?
How does a deck user actually lose or get knocked out? Do they have their own stamina? Can they even be healed by normal means like potions? Can destroyed or used cards (including the absurdly powerful ones) be replenished?
What prevents a deck user (especially an enemy) from suddenly cheating or top-decking card after card full of devasting or combolicious power? I mean 50 cards is a hell of a lot of potential options, and there is no way to determine whether or they were meant to draw such a card. Heck, it reeks of randomness or "whim of the GM" since there is no actual tactics involved aside from choosing the cards or so.

My BIGGEST problem is that there doesn't seem to be a way for us to directly deal with traps cards and such without having one of these deck players of our own. Normally, in a game between players, there are probably anti-magic or counterspell cards or something like that. However, all of us players are trainers/slayers/pokebrids, none of which specifically deal with cards or even with magic to begin with. There is no countering deck users. It's like the Almighty type of classes. Nothing is great against them because they operate so differently from everything else.

As for you trying to decide what cards can be drawn or where they are...

I would suggest making a decklist with each individual card (including duplicate cards if any) being given a number from 1 to *insert number of total cards in deck*. Then get a random number generator and roll it every time they are to draw a card. If the same number would be rolled again, ignore that duplicate number and roll again.

Let's say you want a player to draw 5 cards at the start of the battle. Roll five numbers. Those five numbers, you record on a seperate document for Hand size.. Each time they would draw a card, put that number in there. Make another document for Field or Graveyard and move the respective number from the Hand Document to the respective document when summoned/used.

That way, you know which cards have been drawn or used, have complete respect for randomness and that sort of thing. And it's simple.

That said, card games are something that jump to my attention, so I am interested in hearing more.

Geminex

01-09-2011, 05:24 AM

I'm just kinda curious as to why you would think this is necessary at all. I mean, we have a battle system. That works, kinda. Why bring in something like this? I don't see this working well.

I mean, the idea's nice. But I don't think it'd fit.

Not to mention that, if we ever do want to clean up the plot, this would make that pretty much impossible.

You seem to have thought up a nice system, why not just start a whole new RP for that?

Edit:
And don't be so set-in-stone about who is going to have who on their side. I know how the epilogue will play out (My way, bitches. My way.), but the starting teams for both sides will be a bit of a surprise, even for me.
If this means what I think it means, you need to reply to my PMs.

Astral Harmony

01-09-2011, 08:49 AM

Menarker, you don't really need answers to any of those questions. With me being the GM and there being no allied Deckmasters for certain AND there being no other enemy Deckmasters than Sexy for the duration of this RP (and only god knows when this RP will actually end), it'd be silly to cement anything deck-based right now.

However, since you seem to be itching for answers, fine:

1. I'll assign the stats to the Fiends myself. Needless to say, it's all very freeform and loosely based on how the Fiend fights and its overall power.
2. Yes, Fiends can be affected by direct damage (which I already mentioned) as well as all the other effects.
3. Deckmasters will have their own statistics. In fact, some of them may be very powerful even without a deck in the first place. However, should you defeat their Fiends and survive their Strikes, Deckmasters usually succumb to their deck losses and die out from feedback shock, saving you the trouble of wasting turns killing someone who couldn't adequately defend themselves anymore, much as people like Charlotte and Harliette would enjoy killing defenseless enemies.
4. Deckmasters (particularly those with Miracle decks) do have ways to heal themselves and their Fiends. They use healing Fiends and healing Strikes instead of moves and items like you guys do. There are also Fiends and Strikes that can restore lost cards.
5. An enemy Deckmaster will not cheat. Deckmasters are affected by some of the same limitations that you are, and not all of them are cut from the same cloth. Some of them aren't powerful enough to handle full decks. Some of them won't able to handle top-tier cards. It's silly to talk about GM-generated randomness with the deck system since that is what's been happening since the very beginning of the RP. It's just that this time, it takes the form of cards.
6. The issues with Trap cards can be fixed. Indeed, disabling Trap cards could be yet another power of those who can affect enemy decks despite never having used a deck themselves. Both the Pierce and Impact sides of the sequel will have such characters before they encounter any real Deckmaster opposition.

God knows we'd have Generations VI and VII out by the time it comes to create a signup for the sequel.

Geminex, I can't really give you the kind of control over the epilogue that you've requested, since you won't actually be in control until just before this RP ends. That just how it's gotta be. Otherwise, you'd have to skip out of the final boss fight just to set things up yourself.

Dracorion

01-09-2011, 09:20 AM

This all sounds fascinating. Just one question.

Why are you bringing your Yu-Gi-Oh into my Pokemon?

Now I must have a Deckmaster!

Anyway. Forget about that. You don't have a problem with the character being the same race as Eldys?

Sexy the badass world-destroying gynoid produced by meta-advanced hypertechnologies.

You can toss around all the technobabble adjectives you want, that does not make this any less bullshit.

EDIT: I respectfully request demand to be spoiled in on the epilogue as well.

Geminex

01-09-2011, 09:46 AM

EDIT: I respectfully request to be spoiled in on the epilogue as well.
Quiet, sweety, the adults are talking.

AB, could we please continue that PM discussion?
Cause talking about it in-thread really isn't doing anything for the conversation.

AB, again. Why Deckmasters at all?

Dracorion

01-09-2011, 09:49 AM

YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD.

I WILL FUCKING HOLD MY BREATH UNTIL I GET SPOILED, I SWEAR TO GOD.

Bard The 5th LW

01-09-2011, 11:54 AM

Quiet, sweety, the adults are talking.

I want Ice Cream!

Astral Harmony

01-09-2011, 06:29 PM

No. No problem with your fifth character being the same race as Eldys.

The reasons why Deckmasters exist, by Armored Bishoujo...

1. Because I'm'a da freekin' GM. I kin do whatevuh I wunt!
2. Because even though this is the Pokemon universe, I find it ridiculous and nonsensical if every planet all throughout the cosmos fought battles using Pokemon.
3. By the time the sequel starts, I feel that combat would get pretty boring. I dunno how the games do it, but I don't think this RP would hold water if all you did was fight Pokemon trainers and enemy Pokemon in every fight. Hence the reason why every other kind of enemy exists. Hell, hence the reason why other character classes that don't use Pokemon exists. If I didn't throw new challenges your way, I'm certain that Pokemon Umbral would've ended rather abruptly probably over a half year ago.

Those're my reasons. If you don't like 'em, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

I'll have a look at your latest PM again, Geminex, and will give you a proper response.

Geminex

01-09-2011, 07:07 PM

If you don't like 'em, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Do people actually say this?

Look, I'm not trying to tell you how to run your RP. But, and there is always a but, this just seems weird.
Your reasons are valid, to some degree! But if you're trying to avoid ridiculousness, having people fight battles with trading cards is not the way to go! There is an entire webseries that consists entirely of making fun of that kind of thing! And they're right! Yugioh abridged. Check it out.
That's one of my problems. As soon as people start using trading cards to have tumultous battles, there's just this undercurrent of ridiculousness. And I'd sorta like the plot of the sequel to be taken a bit more seriously than this one is. Which still isn't much, but you know. Baby steps.

And sure, let's keep the battles interesting. You're good at that! But why this way? Creating a completely separate system and crowbaring it into the existing system... That'll be overcomplicated, I'm pretty sure it'd be one hell of a hassle to balance, and, honestly, I don't even think it'd be that interesting. It'll add an additional factor to consider, and feature a whole new ruleset to wrap your mind around. But other than that, it won't add any depth to the tactics, or require any thinking that we don't do already.

So it won't make it more interesting. More arduous, maybe.

I'm not saying I want to fight pokemon all the time. That'd be stupid. I want the system to be complex and intriguing as much as you do. More, in fact. But we've achieved a lot of that already, particularly if we iron out the rules some more. And thing is, you're GM. You can throw anything at us, any kind of foe, enivornment, situation. You can generate tons of interesting complexity within the system that we have. I mean, there are RPGs with less complex battle systems than what we've got going, and they can make hundreds of battles intriguing. We can do the same.
There's no need to add more complexity.

And if we ever do want to, I'd much prefer to expand on the old one, y'know? Cause we've been using it, it's familiar, it works. And there's tons of room to expand. I'd much rather add read tactical combat with attack ranges and terrain and movement speed and maybe even action points, than just throw in some card-based system. Cause that's where room for complexity and interesting battles is.

Also, the latter would, I think, make the actual role-playing aspect of this game way more interesting. Since descriptions of the characters' actions would actually be relevant again.

But that's just an aside.
Point:
I think card games are silly, they wouldn't serve your purpose. Also, the system seems really well thought out. Seems kind of a shame to waste it on us.

And this is not me telling you what to do. This is a player giving his opinion on a proposed change to a game that he has spent an excessive amount of time thinking about.

Dracorion

01-09-2011, 07:36 PM

I can't believe you're saying card games are silly like that's a valid argument.

Dude, we're in a Pokemon RP here. Y'know, catching impossible deadly abominations in tiny spheres and using them for friendly battles. We pretty much left silly and fucking steamrolled into ridiculous the moment Gamefreak made the first games.

There is no defending your position, here.

More specifically, this is Umbral and nothing makes sense ever, much to my own chagrin.

In any case, AB. Eldys is from another planet? Like, when you first said she was from another world I assumed her world was in another universe entirely. Since you chose to introduce the Kimonos and the Netherworld and said that the Kimonos traveled between worlds doing good deeds, it was pretty clear that they were travelling between universes.

Because one place like the Netherworld serving as a nexus between universes is a slightly easier pill to swallow than a nexus between planets in one universe.

Knowing that, yeah, I kind of assumed that Eldys was from another universe since it made sense you'd want to use that particular plot device.

But I'm ranting. To sum up: Eldys is from another planet within the same universe our characters are in? And the Kimonos are from another universe entirely?

Geminex

01-09-2011, 07:43 PM

There's pokemon and there's card games. The two are not equivalent. I'm not saying everything has to make sense, ever. We have a premise. It may be a ridiculous premise, like that of pokemon is, but it is one we can accept and work within.

But there's stuff that's just so inherently silly, it takes it to a whole new level.
Card Games do that.

Look, put another way.
The premise of homestuck is pretty silly. And so is the story. But goddamn, it's epic. But hussie can't just throw in any plot element he likes and expect it to remain epic. If we clean up the story a little, we can get epic. But card games would stand in the way of this.

Just as we can't add card games and expect anyone, including ourselves, to take the story seriously.

Dracorion

01-09-2011, 07:45 PM

People are taking this story seriously now?

Shit, point me to them. Is it one of the lurkers? Because I don't think even AB takes this story all that seriously.

BTW monsters living in cards isn't quite so different from monsters living in balls.

Geminex

01-09-2011, 07:48 PM

Not 'seriously' seriously. This isn't a big drama.

More 'deserves to be well-written' seriously.

Dracorion

01-09-2011, 07:51 PM

Hey, no reason card games can't be written seriously.

We already have magic to explain why they can fit in cards. And magic is just as good an explanation as SUPERSCIENCE!!!11!!1!

Geminex

01-09-2011, 07:54 PM

It honestly isn't.

Look, let me put it this way: If ya'll gave me some plot power, I could have this shit ironed out and actually make a consistent story out of it without excessive difficulty. All it'd take would be to scale back some of the characters, scale back the tits a little, utterly separate gameplay and plot and throw in a couple of explanations for pokemon. I've got them thought up, it's not hard.
Now I'm not asking for it, cause it'd be a hassle and cause much discussion and I respect AB too much, but I could.

But card games? Not a fucking chance.

That's how I can tell that this sorta crosses the line.

Dracorion

01-09-2011, 07:57 PM

Yes, yes it is.

"Your sword inflicts dragon damage because... uh... SCIENCE!" is just as bullshit as "You sword inflicts dragon damage because I USED A SPELL."

EDIT: You can't explain all the biological impossibilities of pokemon without magic.

Geminex

01-09-2011, 08:06 PM

True. And I'm not saying I can make it scientifically sound. But I can make it make sense. I can set up a moderately-plausible set of rules that explains every pokemon phenomenon. It's really not hard.

But I don't think that the cards would even make sense. They just... wouldn't. I can't think of a way to make it sound anything other than badly written and ridiculous.

Dracorion

01-09-2011, 08:27 PM

I am skeptical.

Seriously, I'm not buying that you can satisfactorily explain pokemon to me.

Astral Harmony

01-09-2011, 11:32 PM

Yes, Eldys is from another planet. The Knomere are also from another planet. And the Netherworld is pretty much like a parallel dimension. It's not Hell, just another universe with its own set of rules.

The problem is, Geminex, that you have it in your head that the Knomere alien menace is using a "children's trading card game."

I shall retort with a quote ripped right from Yu-Gi-Oh the Abridged Series: "Card games are serious business."

The Knomere do not use cards to play games. They use cards to turn single units into formidible fighting forces all on their own the same way that children ten years old and up use Pokemon to turn themselves into someone who could probably wipe out a naval fleet. They use cards to kill and win wars. To them, it's not a game that they play in the living room while waiting for an episode of InuYasha that isn't a rerun on Adult Swim. And when you've fought a difficult battle against them and won a well-deserved victory, I think you'll feel that these guys didn't come to your world to start a card game tournament in order to acquire an ancient Egyptian artifact from a small boy with ridiculous hair and the spirit of an eons old pharoah living inside his body.

Though, I will take it upon myself to make various card-based jokes throughout the sequel myself. It can't all be serious.

And you want to cut back on the tits? Blasphemy!

Menarker

01-09-2011, 11:37 PM

So basically, it is more like they are using "talismans" that operate in the same manner to how earthlings play their trading card games. Recall that before our ancestors learned more about science, physics and technology, decorated slabs and paper were probably considered to have mystical properties, especially if they had symbols they revered highly.

They probably have their own culture revolving around it in a manner similar to how our technology, legends and such revolve around pokemons. Doctors in their world probably research and collect Miracle cards, teachers use whatever count as divination or knowledge cards, criminals use darkness/evil/forbidden cards and so on and so forth.

Hehe, I'd imagine they'd be interested in OUR cards, like Tarot cards.

Sexy: Oooh, they have cards that can be used to determine your future... Why do I have the chariot card followed by the upside down death card? (Is sneak attacked by Pierce who we joked as being the chariot symbol)

I imagine there is something that prevents their cards from being stolen and used against them or something, especially if the owner of said cards is defeated/killed. Otherwise, we'd all gain the ability to fight like them.

Dracorion

01-10-2011, 03:12 PM

Seriously, why would you want to scale back on the tits, man? You can never have enough tits! If anything we should be getting more!

Are you gay or something? Are you gay, Geminex?

Menarker

01-10-2011, 04:23 PM

Scaling back on the fan service is very much frowned upon. >_<

However, it would be nice to see more development on roleplaying and clever tactics in battle as opposed to choosing out of a semi-limited selection of actions and playing it like an modified pokemon battle.

On a completely different note, I am curious about the nature of Charlotte's newfound powers and how they will translate to the RP during battle and such.

Are they classified as some sort of demon upgrade (without magatama use)? Are there any readily available and perhaps official data on how they would work, like rage costs and all that? Should we be discussing what the full extent and power of the ability should be like? Is Charlotte actually able to use these abilities right now or is it more like a preview of what she is expected to have later?

Or are the exact details meant to be secret for now to all eyes except Charlotte and AB?

Dracorion

01-10-2011, 04:36 PM

Well Phantomere already said what he could do. I think it was fairly clear that he meant he could do those things now.

And though he never said it, I reiterate: ghost bullets. What's that? Bitch's got an impenetrable shield? Ghost bullets, motherfucker.

In any case, I already know all about Charlotte's Phantomere powers. Because I'm me and you're you.

Geminex

01-10-2011, 07:32 PM

Are you gay or something? Are you gay, Geminex?
I'm curious. Are you hoping for a particular response?

Okay, seriously though. Boobs are great. I have no problem with boobs. And where did I say that we should remove boobs?

Juuuuuuuust saying that the occasional coincidence is a bit too contrived. Fanservice is great, and all, but sometimes it just seems forced.

Also, geez. It's obvious what's keeping you guys in this RP. I suggest 'scaling back the tits a little' and you all act like I want to turn all of your characters into Impact's bitches OH WAIT

Anyway, asides from that.
The pokexplanation is coming along nicely. It's fucking late now, but when I get back tomorrow, I'm gonna readdress the sync-techs. Dracorion is asking for it, Menarker's nice and compliant, I'm working my stuff out with AB, Bard needs to post, it's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Thank you and good night.

Dracorion

01-10-2011, 07:47 PM

Excuse me if I have my doubts that you're going to post it at all.

Because you said so, that's why.

: )

Menarker

01-10-2011, 07:59 PM

Currently finished thread 28 when it comes to summing up the rules and the omakes. Just throwing that heads-up out there.

Astral Harmony

01-11-2011, 12:25 AM

Scaling back fanservice actually isn't that difficult a request. All I'm going to say is, let's wait until after the beach mission. That mission will use enough fanservice to last us several missions in the future.

But what I'm most concerned about are the mysterious elements I've introduced into my own story, elements that you haven't seen yet.

What is the real identity of Gaea? Who is that warrior stepping back into Pierce's life? Is Millenium House really the only base of the Harbingers? Who is the other mysterious and evil woman operating in the shadows? Will the presense of Phantomere in Charlotte's body allow her to eventually become a living Deathnote? What is Team Rocket's role in all of this? Where are all the Ruin Generals going? What is Rayleen trying to find in her journey west? What is the Fear Vanguard? And how the hell am I supposed to pay this goddamned special effects budget?

Obtain the answers to some and discover even more compelling mysteries in the exciting conclusion to and following intermission of Pierce's Sidequest: Revenge and Retribution!

...Because I could really use the ratings.

Menarker

01-11-2011, 12:43 AM

^^ Oh the amount of fan-service is fine. It's not like it is attempting to substitute for actual content.

Also, I seem to be half done. 29 more threads to go. ^^:

EDIT: I seem to have came across a spoiler in one of the past threads regarding the Ginguganap that supposably will appear this mission. ^^ Never noticed it before.

Astral Harmony

01-11-2011, 04:24 AM

Dracorion gave Ginnungagap a weakness that I'm honestly not sure of. Granted, I think it will work out, but it just irks me for some reason. Oh, well. I think Drac had a good idea with Ginnungagap.

Actually, Drac, could I get a PM of how fighting Ginnungagap will go down? We should develop a strategy since you'll be fighting that battle really soon.

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 07:14 AM

Scaling back fanservice actually isn't that difficult a request. All I'm going to say is, let's wait until after the beach mission. That mission will use enough fanservice to last us several missions in the future.

Yeah, I mean, if Elizabeth decides to wear a bikini that dissolves when it hits water then you know many nosebleeds will be had.

What is the real identity of Gaea? Who is that warrior stepping back into Pierce's life? Is Millenium House really the only base of the Harbingers? Who is the other mysterious and evil woman operating in the shadows? Will the presense of Phantomere in Charlotte's body allow her to eventually become a living Deathnote? What is Team Rocket's role in all of this? Where are all the Ruin Generals going? What is Rayleen trying to find in her journey west? What is the Fear Vanguard? And how the hell am I supposed to pay this goddamned special effects budget?

I like how at least one of those directly involves Pierce and I still don't get to know. EDIT: Wait, unless it's that warrior? I didn't think that was supposed to happen yet.

Gaea is obviously Renny's real mother. His real father is Snorlax.

And the mysterious evil woman is Impact's evil eviler oppositely aligned twin sister.

The Ruin Generals are taking their toys and going home.

Obtain the answers to some and discover even more compelling mysteries in the exciting conclusion to and following intermission of Pierce's Sidequest: Revenge and Retribution!

...Because I could really use the ratings.

END OF DISC 1

PLEASE INSERT DISC 2

EDIT: I seem to have came across a spoiler in one of the past threads regarding the Ginguganap that supposably will appear this mission. ^^ Never noticed it before.

If it was spoiled it was probably meant to be spoiled.

Got a quote or a link to whatever it is?

Actually, Drac, could I get a PM of how fighting Ginnungagap will go down? We should develop a strategy since you'll be fighting that battle really soon.

Sure thing.

EDIT: By the way, the sequel needs to be called Marvel Pokemon Beyond: Civil War.

Menarker

01-11-2011, 11:51 AM

If it was spoiled it was probably meant to be spoiled.

Got a quote or a link to whatever it is?

It would take too long to find it again in all those threads. Basically, if my reading comprehension is accurate enough and/or no one was jerking around, then Ginnungagap is an ultra powerful Mech of some sort.

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 11:57 AM

Yep, you got it.

We're getting Gundam all up in this bitch. Let's see how Gem complains now.

Geminex

01-11-2011, 12:02 PM

Excuse me if I have my doubts that you're going to post it at all.

Because you said so, that's why.

: )

Jesus.
Enough with the bullshit already. If you think my threats are ineffectual and I won't go through with them, by all means! Act on that! If you don't think so, don't! I honestly don't understand what you're playing it.

Unless you're somehow waiting for me to admit that I'm bluffing, or something? Which, as unrealistic expectations go, is right up there with your demands in the bedroom. Also, why you'd want me to admit it baffles me, unless there's this niggling little doubt somewhere in your mind that maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.

Eh, anyway. If you don't believe me, act like it. That's fair enough. If you believe me, well... congratulations.
>: ]

Yeah, I mean, if Elizabeth decides to wear a bikini that dissolves when it hits water then you know many nosebleeds will be had.
You're really desperate for us to aknowlege that your little author-insertion turns us on, aren't you?

By the way, the sequel needs to be called Pokemon Beyond: Civil War. On come on. There are so many lame references we can make!
Let's wait until we actually get that far.

Though speaking of sequel, are we actually gonna take on more players? Or is it just gonna be us?

And okay, y'know what`? I'm giving in. Card games are totally a serious and valid and not ridiculous at all, nope, no sirree way to do battle.
What about the other points? The gameplay, the fact that I very much doubt this'll benefit the RP or provide any complexity?

We have a good base. It works, it provides for interesting complexity. We have potentially thousands of different enemies, just by mixing up the moveset of our opponents. We're good on the interesting combat.
And if we want, as MEnarker says, "interesting tactics" (though I maintain that he wouldn't know tactics if they bit him in the ass), we can improve the system, rather than bloating it.

Look, I can't stop you. But if you're doing it to improve the RP, you aren't achieving much. If you're doing it to test the system, I'll gladly help, but preferrably not in this RP.

Edit:
We're getting Gundam all up in this bitch. Let's see how Gem complains now.
Eh, I'll take shit as it comes. But if I make Impact blind and give him red shades, you do not get to complain. You just don't.

Edit2:
Proof that I am ultimate evil:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2985/geminex.png

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 12:13 PM

Jesus.
Enough with the bullshit already. If you think my threats are ineffectual and I won't go through with them, by all means! Act on that! If you don't think so, don't! I honestly don't understand what you're playing it.

Unless you're somehow waiting for me to admit that I'm bluffing, or something? Which, as unrealistic expectations go, is right up there with your demands in the bedroom. Also, why you'd want me to admit it baffles me, unless there's this niggling little doubt somewhere in your mind that maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.

Eh, anyway. If you don't believe me, act like it. That's fair enough. If you believe me, well... congratulations.
>: ]

Act on it how? Tell you to go through with them? That's more or less what I'm doing.

Go do something else? I am!

Take advantage of it? I am.

You're really desperate for us to aknowlege that your little author-insertion turns us on, aren't you?

Of course.

Though speaking of sequel, are we actually gonna take on more players? Or is it just gonna be us?

I believe AB said he was going to open signups again.

We have a good base. It works, it provides for interesting complexity. We have potentially thousands of different enemies, just by mixing up the moveset of our opponents. We're good on the interesting combat.
And if we want, as MEnarker says, "interesting tactics" (though I maintain that he wouldn't know tactics if they bit him in the ass), we can improve the system, rather than bloating it.

No reason we can't do both.

Geminex

01-11-2011, 12:19 PM

Act on it how? Tell you to go through with them? That's more or less what I'm doing.

Go do something else? I am!

Take advantage of it? I am.
Ignore them to your advantage, you obviously aren't, and no, that isn't taking advantage. It just isn't.

No reason we can't do both.
Kinda, yeah. A bloated, overcomplicated system is not a good one. We don't need this.

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 12:24 PM

Yes it is, it totally is.

And maybe we don't need it, but I don't believe it hurts at all.

Geminex

01-11-2011, 12:26 PM

Yes it is, it totally is.
Okay, I think I can see where this conversation is going, so let's just get it over with.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t90/lishakara/SICK_FIRES_BRO.gif

There, can we be done now?

And maybe we don't need it, but I don't believe it hurts at all.
You really don't? Having to modify the whole system to accomodate for the card game rules, having to learn all that, having to balance everything, make changes. You don't think that'll take time, effort?

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 12:45 PM

Seeing as how one major enemy and perhaps a couple of mooks will be the only ones using cards?

No, I'm not all that worried.

And no, sick fires was not where it was going. Everything I said was simply true.

Geminex

01-11-2011, 12:50 PM

You were telling me how to take advantage of having called an opponent's bluff. Even if all the other bullshit had not been bullshit, you were entering the territory of bovine excrement at full speed and with no brakes. None whatsoever.

That is exactly where it was headed.

For now, they'll be the only ones. And we'll still have to learn the rules and balance them a little, at least. But if we introduce it, we'll almost certainly keep using it. And if it starts getting widely used, then my arguments suddenly apply again.

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 12:58 PM

It won't, dude. The thing won't even come into play until the fucking sequel.

Geminex

01-11-2011, 01:20 PM

It comes into play as soon as we're using it. That's when we have to start doing at least some balancing, we'll have to work on the rules, adapt the systems to fit together. That's what I'd prefer not to be doing.

Also, once it's come into play, like I said, we'll keep using it. And that means that, come the sequel, we might have to forego a few better methods of changing shit up, because our system is already bloated as it is.

Look, I think it'd just do more harm than good. But as it is, I'm willing to try it. We can implement it for Eldys, but it's on probation. By the time of the sequel, we readdress. We'll have put in effort by then, but eh. Drac's kinda right, it's just a few characters. We don't have to invest much. And if AB's aims (namely, making battles more interesting and giving them more depth) aren't achieved, we replace it with some actual tactics.

AB, that cool?

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 04:37 PM

Can't we just test drive it in the sequel?

Is that so hard?

With someone not Eldys?

Geminex

01-11-2011, 06:00 PM

We're going to be implementing it in this story, aren't we? So, that's when we start using it. Unless you're somehow gonna use your time manipulation powers to test-drive it before we start using it, I think we're gonna have to test it here and now. Or at least as soon as we start using it. Y'know.

Astral Harmony

01-11-2011, 07:23 PM

Well, if we're actually going to allow Deckmasters for allied use, then I've got a lot of work on my hands. It's not impossible, but I'm going to have to fine tune that system so that it works with allied Deckmasters, not to mention the fact that I'll probably have to create a few hundred cards, and that's just for low level Deckmasters.

I imagine low ranking Deckmasters will start with small decks that can only hold relatively low ranking Fiends, Strikes and Traps. As the Deckmaster levels up, he or she will have the fortitude to expand their deck and put more powerful cards in there.

I'll get to work on it once my other little projects are out of the way (sprite comics, upgrading existing characters and creating new ones) and may have it completed in a few missions, god willing.

Dracorion

01-11-2011, 07:28 PM

Dammit Geminex.

Dammit.

EDIT: No seriously, though I would love for my fifth character to be a Deckmaster, I entirely support and encourage that the class remain enemy-only.

Menarker

01-12-2011, 03:00 AM

I agree. Probably would be best to make the Deckmaster enemy only, with some sort of way to deal with them (including trap cards)

One suggestion I would make is to enable a scouting feature or class (like Gem wanted long ago). Such a feature would be useful for finding out weakpoints of bosses, hints to help deal with in foes with unpredictable defenses (like the Pokegeddon's cheating abilities), and if the deckmaster is implemented they could be used to temporarily disable trap cards or something like that. Basically, make bosses or high end foes fight in unusual manners or have very specific weakpoints that the scouts can find. However, we would be required to point them in a general direction based on what patterns or "tells" the foe has. Or maybe, it is an improved feature in the scouter where all the NPCs can spend an action to "observe" a specific tell or oddity that they think is present in your writing or combat result, and combine them with other character's observation to fulfill a complete analysis or something...

Hope my suggestion make sense the way I'm saying it...

AB, do you think you'll be able to take the reins of GM again soon? Right now, you seem back to normal when it comes to your availability. Not like before when you were away for days or weeks at a time. Would be awesome to have you back writing the story again.

Anyhow, gotten through a few more threads, although I did skip a lot of the arguments since most of the posts were discussions/arguments in which they didn't get some sort of agreement until later.

But yeah, I'm really looking forward to the sprite comics and all that. Hoping you're doing well.

Dracorion

01-12-2011, 07:01 AM

Well Impact and Sophia already have abilities to find out the weaknesses of enemies, I think. Which reminds me I need to request someone on my side with these abilties for the sequel.

That being said, scouting would probably be more thematically appropriate for Rangers. "Rangers lead the way" and all that. Though really this is taking into account real-world rangers.

And no, Menarker, you're not getting rid of me yet. AB is still in Westfuckistan.

Menarker

01-12-2011, 12:03 PM

Well, my suggestion was that all the PCs have the option to do some element of scouting, instead of giving a specific character the ability to do so (Although maybe Sophia and Impact can do it much better so they are more special in that regards). Not that it is a bad idea for rangers to do it, but we would have to put another slot in the DSS for rangers if we did that.

Hmmm, how to explain it...

Let's imagine we end up fighting this immense freak of nature that has multiple body parts to aim for (like a standard final boss fight). Let suppose it has several "interesting" aspects to how it fight. It always digs its tail in the ground before unleashing a massive beam attack (but AB would only mention that in passing), or certain body parts would flicker or open at certain times.

Each character can focus their scanner at a specific action or body part and basically ask AB for information that would normally be out of character for the PC to know and AB would tell us in the discussion threads (assuming the results gets passed to all the scouters). Kinda like having Samus' scanner. Scanning at a specific point at the right time can have AB tell us that it is actually getting ready to unleash a powerful attack, or maybe it is vulnerable in that point. And more generally, we could have foes with multiple body parts that are immune to all but 1 or 2 elements and we don't know that until we scan it.

The challenge in this that we would have to do is:
1) Choosing which body part or aspect of the target, (or its environment if it is using its surroundings in some way) to scan.
2) Choosing that specific body part or aspect at that given point or time. (Scanning something that is currently in neutral state would yield different results than when it is charging up energy or something like that.
3) Collaborating all the data gathered from all the PCs to form an attack plan.
4) Surviving long enough to do so!

Also, I was asking AB if he was likely to come back for GM "soon".

Dracorion

01-12-2011, 12:05 PM

It's like you didn't read his post before saying just when he would be back.

Anyway. I'm making Elizabeth and Sam's upgrades standard. No Trainer Actions, no conditional upgrades, just standard.

I'll make the actual changes to their bios when I have the time later.

Menarker

01-12-2011, 12:11 PM

Well, I read him saying he would arrive home. (3 weeks) But would he take back the GM status when he does, or does he expect you to continue GMing until you finished your side quest?

Would be nice if he did it because it would be nice to see more emphasis and fleshed out responses from the NPCs and so.

That said, you did better than I thought you would. :3 Acceptably so.

Dracorion

01-12-2011, 12:47 PM

I think it's cute that you think I'm going to hand over the reins willingly.

AB will get GMship back off my cold, dead hands.

Geminex

01-12-2011, 12:48 PM

That... can be arranged.

Dracorion

01-12-2011, 12:49 PM

Please.

Astral Harmony

01-12-2011, 09:51 PM

I'll try to take it back up after I get back. The only roadblock to that (which isn't really a roadblock at all), is visiting my ISP who works out of a store just a two-mile stroll down a road and telling her to please reactivate my phone and Internet for me. And that would be it.

Download porn. Download Youtube. Put on some new anime I'll have when I get back. Deal with Pokemon Umbral. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Yeah, it's probably best to keep Deckmasters as an enemy-only class. Hell, if allies could be Deckmasters too, then who would even use Pokemon anymore?

Incidentally, Geminex, have you read my latest PM? Did you have any changes to the epilogue you would want to make?

Dracorion

01-12-2011, 10:09 PM

But mooooooomm!!!

I want to make changes to the epilogue tooo!!!!

Astral Harmony

01-13-2011, 08:00 AM

Normally I'd let you, but a certain spoiled little child left the dinner table without finishing his broccoli.

*wags finger at naughty Dracorion*

And because of that, the only change you can make to the epilogue is Pierce discovering that Impact is actually his father.

...

And Nagarai his mother.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 08:23 AM

That's not true!

THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

Besides, the brocolli wasn't there when you picked up the plate, was it? The dog ate it.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 01:44 PM

I'll try to take it back up after I get back.

You will take it back up. If this shows any sign of becoming more permanent than a few weeks, then we are all going to sit down and discuss how we should carry on. Because I'm not letting Drac stay in charge indefinitely.

Yeah, it's probably best to keep Deckmasters as an enemy-only class. Hell, if allies could be Deckmasters too, then who would even use Pokemon anymore?
Okay... yeah.
I was kinda under the impression that you were gonna make it a friendly class initially, hence my protests. Well, okay, my protests were about you introducing it at all. Then it was your making it a friendly.

All I ask is that, when you introduce it, we play-test it on one or two characters before picking it up.

Incidentally, Geminex, have you read my latest PM? Did you have any changes to the epilogue you would want to make?
I'm thinking about it. I'll let you know.

THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

The dog ate it.
Dracorion, what did I tell you about feeding Renny table scraps?

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 01:50 PM

You will take it back up. If this shows any sign of becoming more permanent than a few weeks, then we are all going to sit down and discuss how we should carry on. Because I'm not letting Drac stay in charge indefinitely.

Like you have a say in the matter.

Okay... yeah.
I was kinda under the impression that you were gonna make it a friendly class initially, hence my protests. Well, okay, my protests were about you introducing it at all. Then it was your making it a friendly.

AB fucking said it wasn't going to be friendly, goddammit.

INTELLIGENCE FAIL.

All I ask is that, when you introduce it, we play-test it on one or two characters before picking it up.

Why do you still want to do this? It's staying enemy-only!

Dracorion, what did I tell you about feeding Renny table scraps?

Sigh!

To douse them in poison first.

Menarker

01-13-2011, 02:10 PM

Besides, the brocolli wasn't there when you picked up the plate, was it? The dog ate it.

Dracorion, what did I tell you about feeding Renny table scraps?

Sigh!

To douse them in poison first.

*Barfs the broccoli in your shoe, pisses on them for good measure and runs away*

ANYHOW, I'm mostly done with the thread data collection. 8 discussion threads left before I grab the data from the actual RP threads. Then I will organize a prototype example (while still having the data in a seperate document) and present it.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 02:28 PM

Like you have a say in the matter.
Y3S!
1 4M POW3RL3SS TO STOP YOUR R31GN OF T3RROR!
1 CL34RLY H4V3 NO 4B1L1TY TO 1NFLU3NC3 TH1S RP 1N 4NY W4Y WH4TSO3V3R
WH4T W1LL 1 DOOOOOOOO

Why do you still want to do this? It's staying enemy-only!
Then we test it on goddamn enemies. I want to have the option to say "No and fuck you" when it becomes appropriate.

*Barfs the broccoli in your shoe, pisses on them for good measure and runs away*
See? That's why you need to poison him.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 02:39 PM

Jesus Christ man, are you going to make AB test-drive every overpowered gimmick he wants to give to enemies?

Geminex

01-13-2011, 02:58 PM

Nnnnooooo, only the major changes that I don't like because they serve no purpose and decrease the quality of this RP.
Duh.

Jesus Christ, man
And you can call me Gem. No matter how awesome I seem.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 03:03 PM

Nnnnooooo, only the major changes that I don't like because they serve no purpose and decrease the quality of this RP.
Duh.

How about fuck you and let AB be AB?

No, seriously, I'm not seeing how this is at all different from crap like Pokegeddon reviving themselves and being ludicrously overpowered. Which is admittedly bullshit, but it's bullshit we can live with.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 03:12 PM

Bluh. As long as it's a gimmick, whatever. As soon as it's large-scale, we get the probational period.

And if you haggle about this any longer I will go back to refusing altogether. And demanding your pony.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 03:18 PM

I'll refuse your refusing because you're being stupid and we've recieved no indication that it'll be used large-scale. At all.

Seriously, just Sexy and a couple of mooks, if that. Deckmasters will be like Snaggers in how often they appear. Keep in mind that we've yet to encounter any enemy Snaggers through five missions.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 03:26 PM

Then the probational period shouldn't be a problem, if it's not gonna be necessary anyway.

And geez, excuuuuuuuse me for missing the bit where AB said it wasn't gonna be more than a gimmick. Considering that his justification was that it was supposed to 'make battles interesting again', I kinda assumed it'd have more of an...
:cool:
Impact.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 03:28 PM

No, you're not excused if you're going to talk like you know what the hell you're talking about after the mistake.

Now go to your room young man!

Geminex

01-13-2011, 03:32 PM

But I know precisely what the hell I am talking about!

What room? You mean the broom cupboard in the basement?

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 03:34 PM

You know shit all about what you're talking about!

And yes.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 03:48 PM

You know shit all about what you're talking about!

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/bubble-aniholdit.gif

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-objection.gif
I make a point of knowing precisely what I'm talking about!
It's not my fault if my argument is too advanced for your very small mind to comprehend it.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-smirka.gif
Though then again, I probably should have expected this. I have no one to blame but myself.
I'll try to be less incredibly aware of the subtleties of this RP next time.
That way you might actually be able to keep up.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-bowa.gif
And man, I know you're jealous about my getting to modify the epilogue to suit my needs.
There's honestly no need to be, though.
Not when there's perfectly good intelligence and attractiveness to be jealous of.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 04:05 PM

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
That's a filthy lie.
Your argument is bullshit and you goddamn know it. The only reason you persevere with it is because you refuse to accept that you made a mistake earlier.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
And you're about as subtle as a bag of flaming shit on my doorstep.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
But you're right, I'm jealous of the fact that you landed yourself as an antagonist by yelling to the GM about it. I am red and glittery with jealousy.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
Now get your bitch ass to the left. I am clearly the eviler looking of the two of us, therefore the evil side belongs to me.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 04:15 PM

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-objection.gif
I don't deny making a mistake!
Just your extremely stupid claims that past mistakes reflect on my current competence!

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-smirka.gif
Though I do think the amount of fuss you're making over the fact that I made a mistake says it all, really.
I mean, you'd think it was a once-in-a-lifetime thing, the way you're treating it.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-bowa.gif
OH WAIT.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-smirka.gif
And allow me to present the following exhibit:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2985/geminex.png
Clearly the evidence proves that I am the most evil one.

Now flip your sprite and get the fuck off my side, you pedantic little twerp.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-objection.gif
Additionally, there's obviously more to sequel plot power than mindless yelling.
Otherwise you'd obviously be the one deciding over the fate of the entire party.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 04:28 PM

Fuck off

All of you.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 04:47 PM

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-objection.gif
I don't deny making a mistake!
Just your extremely stupid claims that past mistakes reflect on my current competence!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
Now that was extremely stupid.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
First of all, don't say it like it happened a long time ago.
Second, of course your mistakes reflect on your competence, you braindamaged fucktwit.
What the fuck are you even saying?

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-smirka.gif
Though I do think the amount of fuss you're making over the fact that I made a mistake says it all, really.
I mean, you'd think it was a once-in-a-lifetime thing, the way you're treating it.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-bowa.gif
OH WAIT.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
Like you don't do the same, for just as long as I'm doing it.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-smirka.gif
And allow me to present the following exhibit:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2985/geminex.png
Clearly the evidence proves that I am the most evil one.

Now flip your sprite and get the fuck off my side, you pedantic little twerp.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
YES OF COURSE.
OF COURSE.
YOUR EVIDENCE IS INCONTROVERSIBLE.
THIS IS ME, SWITCHING TO THE OTHER SIDE IN LIGHT OF YOUR EVIDENCE.
WHO CAN ARGUE WITH A PHOTOSHOPPED IMAGE.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-objection.gif
Additionally, there's obviously more to sequel plot power than mindless yelling.
Otherwise you'd obviously be the one deciding over the fate of the entire party.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
True.
The yelling has to appeal to the GM's inner masochist.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 05:04 PM

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
First of all, don't say it like it happened a long time ago.
Second, of course your mistakes reflect on your competence, you braindamaged fucktwit.
What the fuck are you even saying?

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-objection.gif

A single mistake is a goddamn outlier, you incomplete idiot.
The fact that it's rare enough for us to be arguing about this is already sufficient proof that it doesn'T accurately reflect my competence.
Learn some fucking statistics, dickweed.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
Like you don't do the same, for just as long as I'm doing it.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-shrug.gif
I only do that when you're really speaking out of your ass, though.
Like, really.
Mind you, I still gets tons of opportunities to do it, but whose fault is that?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
YES OF COURSE.
OF COURSE.
YOUR EVIDENCE IS INCONTROVERSIBLE.
THIS IS ME, SWITCHING TO THE OTHER SIDE IN LIGHT OF YOUR EVIDENCE.
WHO CAN ARGUE WITH A PHOTOSHOPPED IMAGE.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-damage.gif

You're enjoying this glitter thing a little too much, aren't you.
I mean, MY EYES.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
True.
The yelling has to appeal to the GM's inner masochist sense of intelligence and basic decency

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-bowa.gif
Hence, why you will never ever take my place.

Menarker

01-13-2011, 05:13 PM

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 05:25 PM

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-objection.gif

A single mistake is a goddamn outlier, you incomplete idiot.
The fact that it's rare enough for us to be arguing about this is already sufficient proof that it doesn'T accurately reflect my competence.
Learn some fucking statistics, dickweed.

Oh.

Sorry, I didn't realize we were working under the assumption that you're near perfect and this is the first mistake you've made, ever.

Clearly mistakes you've made before aren't really mistakes at all!

Keep in mind that you're the one who said past mistakes. Plural.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-shrug.gif
I only do that when you're really speaking out of your ass, though.
Like, really.
Mind you, I still gets tons of opportunities to do it, but whose fault is that?

Yours, for teaching me how to speak out of my ass.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/edgeworth-bowa.gif
Hence, why you will never ever take my place.

Nope, pretty much just the inner masochist.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 06:19 PM

... Maybe I should ask AB if I could have a say or so regarding the epilogue to spice things up and make sure nothing extremely drastic happens. :3

But seriously, cut it out guys.

Bard, Dante, any luck with your battle plans?

Gem has agreed to lend me some aid to the battle plans for this round. I'll try to be more on the ball in the future. For now, I'll post a little of what I can get quickly.

Actually, I think I just wrote up a full thing.

Tell me of any problems.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 06:21 PM

You know, you can just ask any of us for help and we'll lend a hand.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 06:29 PM

... Maybe I should ask AB if I could have a say or so regarding the epilogue to spice things up and make sure nothing extremely drastic happens. :3
No and fuck you.
Guys. This isn't a big thing. AB's making most of the calls. I'm just making a few... corrections. Now shut up about it.

Clearly mistakes you've made before aren't really mistakes at all!
No and fuck you. 'fcourse I've erred. I've just been right a lot more. Individual mistakes=not statistically relevant.

Yours, for teaching me how to speak out of my ass.
Oh come now, you're being too modest. Even if I did teach you a little, you had so much talent!
You've certainly surpassed me.

Nope, pretty much just the inner masochist.
Hahaha yeah its not like I made a reasoned argument or skillfully manipulated or anything nope i am clearly just a lucky bastard.
I mean, that's what went down the last time I had any sort of leadership, right?

Edit:
You know, you can just ask any of us for help and we'll lend a hand.
Well yes, but Menarker's incompetent, you're the DM and also incompetent, Matt's never around and incompetent and I am slightly less incompetent and I offered in the first place.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 06:39 PM

Actually, I think I just wrote up a full thing.

Tell me of any problems.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 06:41 PM

It is 20 to 1 AM and I can't sleep. Fuck, I'm not helping you now.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 06:47 PM

No and fuck you.
Guys. This isn't a big thing. AB's making most of the calls. I'm just making a few... corrections. Now shut up about it.

Wow, look at my concerns not abated!

Like at all!

No and fuck you. 'fcourse I've erred. I've just been right a lot more. Individual mistakes=not statistically relevant.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Hahaha yeah its not like I made a reasoned argument or skillfully manipulated or anything nope i am clearly just a lucky bastard.
I mean, that's what went down the last time I had any sort of leadership, right?

Of course!

I mean, seriously? You think that's how it happened? You manipulated your way into having Impacty conquer the world?

Edit:

Well yes, but Menarker's incompetent, you're the DM and also incompetent, Matt's never around and incompetent and I am slightly less incompetent and I offered in the first place.

Oh, don't be so modest. You're just as incompetent as the rest of us!

Bard, your team only starts with 50 Rage. So all those techs? Yeah, you can't use any of those. Plus, Melanie needs to be Paradigm Shifted to use Murder of Krows.

Also, I wouldn't want to rely on Rage too much for the fight, what with those Psytellites being able to drain it. I'd suggest using as much of it as you can now, and if you want to be able to use it later start blowing up some Psytellites.

AB, remind me how Melanie's Flash Triage skill works?

Like, is it a 20% chance to heal the whole formation (for what I assume would be 50% like regular Medic items)?

Or is it 20% healing for all the formation whenever anyone takes damage?

Or is it 20% healing for the formation whenever the whole formation takes damage from an attack?

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 06:51 PM

I just assumed I could use rage from the last fight. Ill fix it.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 06:54 PM

Wow, look at my concerns not abated!

Like at all!
This coming from the guy who's currently GM. You've been more or less fair. You think I'd be worse?

I mean, seriously? You think that's how it happened? You manipulated your way into having Impacty conquer the world?
Well... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EQc5zpqEeo)
And seriously as well, does it matter? I didn't beg for it, barely even asked for it. I maintain that much. The rest is... detail.

Oh, don't be so modest. You're just as incompetent as the rest of us!
Awwwh, that's so sweet of you!

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Let me spell it out for you.
Individual mistakes don't reflect on competence.
The amount of mistakes made in a given period of time?
They do.
If you'd like to criticize me based on the amount of mistakes I make?
Long term, douchecake. Not short term. Short term is statistically insignificant.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 07:19 PM

Both of you go die in a ditch.

Geminex

01-13-2011, 07:23 PM

Drac is obviously being a nonresponsive little pussy, so let me just say

Hey, Bard
Bard
<3<

This still appplies.
So hard.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 07:29 PM

http://home.comcast.net/~synkr0nized/random/snsaywh.gif

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 07:43 PM

This coming from the guy who's currently GM. You've been more or less fair. You think I'd be worse?

Do you really want me to answer this question honestly?

Really?

Really?

Well... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EQc5zpqEeo)
And seriously as well, does it matter? I didn't beg for it, barely even asked for it. I maintain that much. The rest is... detail.

Because the details aren't already public knowledge.

I suppose we could ask Menarker, he might know from his scouring of the archives.

Let me spell it out for you.
Individual mistakes don't reflect on competence.
The amount of mistakes made in a given period of time?
They do.
If you'd like to criticize me based on the amount of mistakes I make?
Long term, douchecake. Not short term. Short term is statistically insignificant.

You're not as smart as you think you are. That's my criticism based on the mistakes you've made.

I just assumed I could use rage from the last fight. Ill fix it.

You forgot Matthias' Trainer Action.

<3<

Geminex

01-13-2011, 07:47 PM

You're not as smart as you think you are. That's my criticism based on the mistakes you've made.
What makes you believe I think I'm smart?
I'm just a good actor.

And jeez, you wanna know the details? I role-play a character who would do really well as a villain, I'm characterising him as a powerful leader and tactician, I'm showing AB that I'm allright at keeping control OOC and I'm suggesting a lot of plot-related stuff when I get the opportunity, much of which gets accepted. That is all there is.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 07:55 PM

Oh, in that case.

I take back everything I've ever said.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 07:56 PM

You forgot Matthias' Trainer Action.

Aren't psyshades immune to all status effects? Whats the other action?

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 07:57 PM

Oh right. They are. Nevermind.

Shame for Charlotte, though.

Anyway, Matthias' other action is a debuff, I think. Still useless.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 08:00 PM

Oh, in that case.

I take back everything I've ever said.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j244/mphage/YOUREKIDDING.png

Menarker

01-13-2011, 08:45 PM

There you go Drac. Those are your ponies! :3

Because the details aren't already public knowledge.

I suppose we could ask Menarker, he might know from his scouring of the archives.

What ARE you guys talking about?

And yeah, feel free to ask me any questions Bard. I'll at least promise to preserve your dignity when I give you my answer. Which is probably a lot more than what these two will offer.

Astral Harmony

01-13-2011, 09:07 PM

*Looks at Miles Edgeworth sprites*

Y'know, I think I'll add the concept of Courtroom Battles to the system. Awesome! Yet another interesting battle concept!

*holds up one hand to stop all arguements before they start*

It could be worse. You could be fighting the enemy with Dance, Guitar, or Cooking Battles.

Melanie's Flash Triage works like this: At any time that someone receives damage, Melanie has a 20% chance of healing that damage up, whether it's one person taking damage or a small group.

However, Flash Triage does not heal status effects or debuffs. Still, if the damage is enough to actually kill the ally and Melanie's Flash Triage activates, that person is spared from death.

Dracorion

01-13-2011, 09:10 PM

You did already propose the concept of battle bands once.

So Melanie's Flash Triage has a 20% chance of negating damage on anyone, then? Cool.

Bard The 5th LW

01-13-2011, 09:41 PM

Y'know, I think I'll add the concept of Courtroom Battles to the system. Awesome! Yet another interesting battle concept!

Fuck yes!

Have it as like, a side mission. While Impact, Pierce, and Renny are off saving the world from card-game pokemon vampires with flaming guitars, Charlotte and Mattias are defending Rayleen in an over the top court battle. Matt taking the role of Phoenix and Charlotte being a more vitriolic Maya.

edit: This is now Matts sidequest by the way, seeing as how he doesn't seem to have a plot for his yet.

Oberon Sona: Ace Attorney

Menarker

01-14-2011, 02:20 AM

Well, I'm almost done! I finished reading all the discussion threads and just need to read the actual RP posts for any specific details.

Bard, could you tell us what 3 items Charlotte is currently carrying?

God, got a bit of a headache from all that reading. ^^;

EDIT: I'm kinda curious as to why normal police forces refuse to employ pokebrids (as stated by Rachel during the first mission.)

Speaking of Rachel, the beach mission was supposed to be her 18th birthday, according to what AB said WAY WAY back.

Also, AB, during Mission 2, Chizuru gave Impact's team some cystallized demon blood as a sort of healing agent (like DBZ's senzu beans). Should I assume that's more of a one time thing from the RP's early days?

Astral Harmony

01-14-2011, 03:25 AM

EDIT: I'm kinda curious as to why normal police forces refuse to employ pokebrids (as stated by Rachel during the first mission.)

Because when I need to villain to kick somebody's asses before you guys arrive, hey, I've got the police!

People don't tend to give the police much thought as far as a career goes, especially given how tough even common street thugs can get. Usually, the police are staffed either by hardasses who swear that they don't need that mumbo jumbo stuff to get the job done or by people who can't even synchronize with regular Pokemon DNA.

If I could think on it, I'd say about 72% of people throughout Honmyr can actually become Pokebrids, while the other unfortunate 28% reject any DNA applied, even DNA with high "synchronicity ratios" (usually these types of DNA are owned by Pokemon with very similar body structures to humans).

Still, they do have some very effective combatants, like Police Chief Jenny.

...

...

...

Oh, I remember now. About the sequel, I want each of you four PCs (Pierce, Renny, Charlotte, and Matthias) to select one person and only one person. That person will be immediately available at the start of the sequel. Yeah, there's going to be some major splitting up.

Additionally, there will a list of people who cannot be selected. This isn't the full list, but it'll have to do for now...

Rayleen, Irene, Dormond, Sakuya, Moon, Shannon, Evangaleen, Mirror, Cecilia, Wilhelmina, Lexhur, Marionata, Twiloch, Shizuka, Tsubasa, Kirie, Kiyomi, Rio, Takano, Mika, Nyoka (which leaves Chizuru and Fujiko out of the Kimonos), Aster, Jeanette, Sakuya's general whose name I forget, Mio...ah, and I think that's it.

I'm not confirming or denying what happens to all of these characters. Some of them die, some of them will be encountered again later, some will do heel face turns.

There is an unlikely chance that some names will be added later, but I'm damn certain none of those names will be removed.

Menarker

01-14-2011, 03:38 AM

Oh, I remember now. About the sequel, I want each of you four PCs (Pierce, Renny, Charlotte, and Matthias) to select one person and only one person.

You know I'm choosing Lola. :3

... Impact doesn't count as a PC?

=P

But yeah, he'll probably be one of the main antagonist with several allies to hang with or so.

Also, what happens to the ones who aren't chosen who aren't in that list? Do we then get to have another round of choosing a single character?

Cause I would rather dislike the possibility of sentencing NPCs to mysteriously die just because they weren't chosen.

Astral Harmony

01-14-2011, 06:42 AM

That's waaaay into the future, just about as much as the list is, so I can't really say what'll happen to those not selected. But the odds of them receiving unfavorable fates are pretty low, even characters you end up not using during this RP.

Oh, I just happened to see another question.

Those special candies that Chizuru had aren't common, but now that you reminded me of them, I'll try to remember them when Chizuru finds random items per turn. Those'll be more common finds in the Netherworld, which will only be visited during one mission here and will factor in a lot more during the sequel.

Dracorion

01-14-2011, 06:56 AM

Hm.

Chizuru's the obvious choice. But I'm kinda tempted to pick Fujiko, just because.

AB, I don't suppose you could say why Chizuru and Fujiko are eligible?

Astral Harmony

01-14-2011, 07:27 AM

Dracorion

01-14-2011, 07:32 AM

...

Dammit now I'm going to have to deal with him to get Fujiko. Fffffuuuccckk.

EDIT: Although I wasn't really asking what their reasons for joining Pierce would be. Just what reasons you had for making them eligible at all.

Geminex

01-14-2011, 08:37 AM

Okay, okay.
Several things.

Firstly, OH MY GOD I AM LOSING MINIONS ALLOW ME TO RAAAAAAGE
Oh, no, wait
wait
This was my idea.
And neither Renny nor Pierce get to choose who they have at the start of the sequel.

And just out of curiousity, why not let them choose?

Hey, guys
guys
You're welcome

Secondly, I didn't choose anyone as such, I was just told I'd get almost everyone. Most of the people I would have chosen are on that list, but eh. I can deal.

Because thirdly:
Charlotte and Matt are gonna be on Impact's side from the get-go. Yes, I wanted to keep that secret, but screw it, everyone except for Menarker knew anyway.

And Pierce's team and Impact are gonna start cooperating pretty early on. And by 'cooperating'... well, we'll see what exactly I mean.

There's not gonna be that much conflict. I'm sure I mentioned this to you, AB.

And Drac, not picking Sakuya?

Edit:
And what am I to make of this?
Oh, in that case.

I take back everything I've ever said.

Menarker

01-14-2011, 12:10 PM

Those two girls? Given what unfurls in the future, Chizuru would be available because she's in love with Pierce while Fujiko would do it because it means she might get to fight the other Kimonos. Plus, she loves combat, and fighting for the underdog (Pierce's team) will practically guarantee many days filled with bloody battle.

>_> And the fact that you said that Fujiko like "cute boys" probably will factor to it to Renny's dismay.

Impact does get to choose one person to go with Pierce's team because he won't be with the four of you.

Impact, have you any ideas who you might choose for this one person to go with Pierce's team?

And thank you for appealing to AB to have Pierce and I choose someone for the sequel.

EDIT: Pretty much finished with data gathering. Mainly in organizational phase.

BUT I can present a general list of all the omakes (or ones I thought qualified as omakes)!

They are all listed in sequential order. Enjoy. ^^

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015665&postcount=27

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015761&postcount=36

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1022038&postcount=20

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1022229&postcount=28

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1022688&postcount=40

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1025958&postcount=33

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1026664&postcount=18

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1026784&postcount=20

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1027043&postcount=49

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1027467&postcount=81 (Picture in middle of thread)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1030175&postcount=32 (Also has info on Pokegeddon)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1030221&postcount=36

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1030403&postcount=69

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1030561&postcount=93

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1030875&postcount=55

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1031169&postcount=10

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1031534&postcount=67

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1032634&postcount=79

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1032642&postcount=84

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1032643&postcount=85

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1032901&postcount=19

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1032914&postcount=24

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1032934&postcount=29

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=37711&page=2

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1033375&postcount=75

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1034066&postcount=49

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1034235&postcount=89

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1034645&postcount=50

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1034967&postcount=89 (Picture)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=37774
http://images.uncyc.org/commons/9/93/CammyGardevoir.png (Missing picture for thread 15.)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1035272&postcount=22

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1035531&postcount=42

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1036562&postcount=102

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1037055&postcount=23

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1037264&postcount=47

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1037620&postcount=64

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1037755&postcount=86

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1037886&postcount=9

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1038282&postcount=49 (Picture in middle of thread)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1039263&postcount=82

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1039336&postcount=91

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1039436&postcount=102

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1040431&postcount=9

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1041602&postcount=75

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1042092&postcount=14

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1042199&postcount=26

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1042238&postcount=31

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http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1042608&postcount=93

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1043052&postcount=32

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http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1046917&postcount=123

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1047631&postcount=64

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1048628&postcount=31

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1048683&postcount=44

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1051714&postcount=138

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1052078&postcount=48

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1053036&postcount=7

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1057264&postcount=10

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1058941&postcount=45

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1059109&postcount=58

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1060212&postcount=113

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http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1061169&postcount=12

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1061181&postcount=16

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1063196&postcount=35 (Sprite Comic)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1065916&postcount=18

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1065919&postcount=20

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1066615&postcount=45

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1067162&postcount=82

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1067620&postcount=62 (Sprite Comic)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1068726&postcount=23 (Pic in middle)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1068785&postcount=29 (Pic in middle)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1069083&postcount=60

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1070818&postcount=90 (Pic in middle)

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1070906&postcount=19

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1073413&postcount=57

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1074226&postcount=49

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1077407&postcount=74

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http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1080237&postcount=90

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http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1080615&postcount=1

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1092030&postcount=3

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1096737&postcount=67
http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1096878&postcount=76
http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1096958&postcount=86
http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1097465&postcount=3

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1098416&postcount=12