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Jagos
01-13-2011, 09:06 AM
Link (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-sun-never-sets-on-the-patriot-act/)

A year ago, the protracted wrangling in Congress over the re-authorization of several expiring provisions of the PATRIOT ACT made plenty of headlines. Most observers expected the sunsetting powers to be extended, but civil libertarians hoped serious and sorely needed reforms might be part of the package. The House and Senate Judiciary Committees held multiple hearings on the topic, and an array of competing reform and reauthorization bills (PDF) were proposed, adding extra safeguards (of varying stringency) to the greatly expanded surveillance powers Congress had approved in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.

Basically, Congress keeps pushing off the Patriot Act under different programs and we get screwed in the deal. Yay.

Look at it this way, so long as enough Repubocrats can get this thing approved, we will have the FBI abusing the packet sniffing, subpoenas to ISPs for information (unconstitutionally) as well as basically abusing people's rights at the border, all in the name of terrorism.

I’d love to be proven wrong, but I suspect this is how reining in the growth of the surveillance state becomes an item perpetually on next year’s agenda.

Too true man. Too true.

Hatake Kakashi
01-13-2011, 10:11 AM
I'd like to say I'm surprised...

... but big brother LIKES being big brother. And with everything that's happening in the world today, as well as asshats like Jared Loughner providing yet MORE "reason" for the internet watchdogs to exist, yeah, I don't think this will end anywhere in our lifetimes.

shiney
01-13-2011, 10:21 AM
Fear is the greatest motivator, and they can push bills like this by saying "You must fear" and accusing anyone who doesn't as unpatriotic & supporting terrorism. The greatest propaganda wing the world has ever seen, mixed with a feeble and ultimately false 'opposition' who are equally as interested in staying in power, will see to it that not only do these restrictions stay in place but that they become stronger over time. The way for them to ensure their lasting stay in power is absolute complete control over dissent.

Professor Smarmiarty
01-13-2011, 10:47 AM
How is Jared Louner a link to "internet watchdogs must exist"? Unless we're just going to lock up everyone who looks a bit funny/has views not conducivise to the government. Which is basiclly just a police state
If yo uwere trying to stop crime take the money you would spend on "watching" people and spend it on education and social aid- crime will plummet.
They won't do that because these watchdogs have nothing to do with crime at least in the person-person sense, they are about controlling dissidents and they should be removed.

Jagos
01-13-2011, 10:56 PM
How is Jared Louner a link to "internet watchdogs must exist"? Unless we're just going to lock up everyone who looks a bit funny/has views not conducivise to the government. Which is basiclly just a police state
If yo uwere trying to stop crime take the money you would spend on "watching" people and spend it on education and social aid- crime will plummet.
They won't do that because these watchdogs have nothing to do with crime at least in the person-person sense, they are about controlling dissidents and they should be removed.

We do that at the border (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/01/wikileaks-volunteer-detained-by-us-agents-for-second-time/69458/)

Aerozord
01-13-2011, 11:00 PM
its impossible to stop this kind of thing

Terrorism is reduced "obviously its thanks to the patriot act"
Terrorism is rising "obviously we need the patriot act more then ever"

Marc v4.0
01-13-2011, 11:24 PM
Well, hopefully whatever nation we are after the collapse will learn from past mistakes...

They won't.

Fifthfiend
01-14-2011, 02:19 AM
It always amazes me how the Democratic congress finds a way to "lose" - which is to say, achieve exactly the outcome they want, and then, pretend with straight faces that they had no other choice - on these issues when they literally have to do nothing. Like they just have to manage to not vote for a new, awful bill.

Kyanbu The Legend
01-14-2011, 02:42 AM
Well the US is falling faster now. I really don't see how monitoring the net's gonna change much.

It'll reduce Piracy and possibly hacking attempts (granted not by much).