The Awesome Concept of Bad Movies

[Bells]

Ladies and Gentlemen, i would like to give you this...

The Warriors Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Qi9QaL0Lg)

I am Number Four (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITOWAljv7o&feature=related)

Cowboys and Aliens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH7KZD5vGBY)

See... now, just on Concept the ideas are awesome; Over the top, laughable fun movies to watch. Great. Cool. Nice! I love when people try to create new products instead of just licensing cool stuff.

But the execution is so usually very very bad...

See the Warriors Way... you have Cowboys, Ninjas, Fallout/Borderlands-esque desert scenario... how can you screw THAT up?

You see, it messes with my head that people keep having this awesome concepts that never flourish into good things, while a movie like Twilight gets worldwide accolades...

So, this is a thread to talk about Awesome concepts in bad movies or Awesome movies with bad concepts! Have at it!

[Marc v4.0]

Wait, so, we're just assuming Cowboys and Aliens is going to be a bad movie?

[Aerozord]

while a movie like Twilight gets worldwide accolades...



now maybe I dont look up a wide enough variety of movie reviews, but wasn't Twilight universally regarded as trash by movie critics? sales well, but that doesn't mean anyone with creditable opinion views it as good.

[Bells]

Wait, so, we're just assuming Cowboys and Aliens is going to be a bad movie?

Well... yeah. I mean, i would pay good cash upfront to watch this movie... but, yeah. I would be surprised if it was a good movie in the end.

now maybe I dont look up a wide enough variety of movie reviews, but wasn't Twilight universally regarded as trash by movie critics? sales well, but that doesn't mean anyone with creditable opinion views it as good.A movie must pay for itself. Hollywood still is about making money, so, the Twilight series has enough of an audience to actually sell a series of movies... this baffles me. Critically the movies suck on a average scale... and i'm not sure if the box office for each isntallment is holding up or dropping, but still...

the passing of Leslie Nielsen probably killed that Naked Gun 4 that was in the works a few years back. And now after Rocky Balboa, Die hard and Rambo the only other gritty reboot i'm looking for is Robocop (surely taking it's freaking time.......) and maybe a Thundercats movie in the future.... my point is, we have soooo much better bad movies based of real brands out there, i wish people were to explore a little more when creating stuff brand new .

For god's sake give me a World War II epic with Zombies and i'll watch that!

[Aerozord]

Thats more to taste. Sure the kind of people that love twilight are much happier with it then a bad action movie.

For god's sake give me a World War II epic with Zombies and i'll watch that!

I hear a World War Z movie is in the works

[Marc v4.0]

I dunno, really I can't count any movie where I get my cash worth of entertainment from it a bad movie, even if it wasn't a super great movie. Twilight, to me, is what I would call a bad movie. Bubba Ho-Tep was not.

[rpgdemon]

Some friends and I went to Hot Tub Time Machine when it opened, expecting to laugh at how horrible it was, but it turned out to be absolutely hilarious.

That was a good bad movie.

[Archbio]

Some friends and I went to Hot Tub Time Machine when it opened, expecting to laugh at how horrible it was[...]

You're what's wrong with the world.

[rpgdemon]

You're what's wrong with the world.

What? It sounded like an absolutely ridiculous idea for a movie, and one that needed investigation!

[Bells]

i guess his poin was that for movies like this you have the internetz. So you can kill that nasty little curiosity without hurting the planet by giving monies to the people behind the movie... cause that might make them think they should make another one.

But then again, we all have our cinematic guilty pleasures don't we?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

now maybe I dont look up a wide enough variety of movie reviews, but wasn't Twilight universally regarded as trash by movie critics? sales well, but that doesn't mean anyone with creditable opinion views it as good.

Pretty sure even the media sees it as just a horrible movie.

I usually steer clear of movies simply because I'm paying way too much to accidentally see a bad movie.

Machete was pretty over the top but over all it was still a damn awesome movie. Worth the $30+ my uncle spent to take me and my grandmother to see it.

[rpgdemon]

I greatly enjoyed Hot Tub Time Machine, though! It was quite funny, and I would say that it was good value for my money.

[Archbio]

It actually would be less bad if you'd done it out of masochism.

Anything by Roland Emmerich is bound to have a good concept, even a great set up; but horrible execution is sure to follow, at least by the movie's midpoint.

[Krylo]

See the Warriors Way... you have Cowboys, Ninjas, Fallout/Borderlands-esque desert scenario... how can you screw THAT up?

Lack of juxtaposition between action and drama, and a lack of justification or reasonable story information, combined with an inability to overcome the common man's suspension of disbelief. Which is probably tied to the lack of a story.

You can't just drop ninja from out of nowhere onto roof tops unless you've somehow justified ninja having the ability to drop out of nowhere onto rooftops with something that seems plausible within the fictional universe you have created.

The failure to do that makes what the writers/producers/whatever think was an 'awesome' scene into something that just tears the audience out of the movie and back into reality. A jarring rip away back to reality, that it is hard to return to the movie to afterward.

Or, to put it more concisely--it's because they are letting people who are the equivalent of thirteen year old socially awkward and uneducated nerds write and do whatever they think is awesome, instead of letting people who actually know how to make a cohesive movie do the scripting, directing, and producing.


THAT SAID, Cowboys and Aliens looks surprisingly non-shitty for the concept, just judging by the trailers. The name kind of makes it hard to take seriously, which is going to make it hard to get past the average viewer's reality sensors, but the actual cinematography, acting, and writing, doesn't seem much worse than a standard action flick (which still isn't GOOD mind you, especially not these days, but hey).

And I Am Number Four just... well, that trailer tells me nothing about what it's about other than someone can shoot lasers out of their hands or something, I guess, and someone wants to kill them.

Gives me Jumper Vibes. And I thought Jumper was perfectly ok. Just not as a stand alone movie... but the series it was based on was a SERIES, so I really felt the PR machine should have spent more time explaining that the story wouldn't be adequately resolved in one movie.

Judging Jumper as a stand alone movie would be like judging the Fellowship of the Rings in a vacuum (it'd be pretty shit if people didn't know there were a couple sequels coming).

That's a bit off key, though. Mostly I just wanted to say that I Am Number Four doesn't seem to fit with the other two movies there. It feels more story driven than 'HOLY SHIT COWBOYS AND NINJAS OR SOMETHING' driven.

[Bells]

Cowboys and Aliens wins points by the simple fact that you have Han Solo and James Bond on the same screen fighting aliens while being Cowboys (which also brings Han Solo and Indiana Jones a step closer together) so that ok...

As for Number 4, you saw that other movie "Push" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNGu1QWwK9I) ? It's generic super flick crap, and the whole "i'm number 4 out of 9" gives me a either Alien vibe or Highlander vibe.

The main focus for me was that the Energy blast the kid gives in the trailer is a HUUUUGE ripoff of Ironman's pulse blasters....

...also, a Highlander Reboot could be cool.

[Marc v4.0]

Speaking of Push, that is one movie that I really enjoyed. I was actually surprised to find out it wasn't based off a novel or comic. As far as generic super flicks go, I thought it was really well done (That's not saying a lot, but still, more then you can expect these days). Again, worth my 7.50 in entertainment value alone.

[Magus]

Yeah Push was a really odd movie, my sister bought it on DVD and it was really quite unexpectedly good. I should rewatch it because it was quite great.

NOTE this is the super hero movie Push, not the book Precious was based on.

Anyway lots of people hate Starship Troopers, I on the other hand think it is the greatest movie since sliced bread. Er, greatest movie since a movie about sliced bread.