Mo' Like Green LanTURD, AMIRITE!? GUYS?!

[Lumenskir]

I guess since Green Lanterns are averse to the color yellow, they made this movie as bad as possible in order to avoid the possibility of it getting near an Oscar.

But seriously, this is getting shellacked (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/green_lantern/), hard. I'll be seeing Super 8 tomorrow with my dad for Father's Day, but I eagerly await this being played endlessly on FX in a few years along with X3 as part of some suckiness loop.

[Kim]

Did anyone actually think this would be a good movie?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I was gonna make a thread about this tonight after seeing it with my friends but it looks like we got some people already taking the piss out of it without seeing it. I'm sure the movie's gonna suck ass but we should at least withhold judgment until we actually see the product.

[Fenris]

Tagged this thread, repelling Green Lanterns.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm sure the movie's gonna suck ass but we should at least withhold judgment until we actually see the product.

Withholding judgment of terrible things until after you've payed a dozen of your own dollars to watch the entirety of the thing is an excellent approach if your goal is to reward movie studios for poor filmmaking backed by bulemic marketing hype.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Withholding judgment of terrible things until after you've payed a dozen of your own dollars to watch the entirety of the thing is an excellent approach if your goal is to reward movie studios for poor filmmaking backed by bulemic marketing hype.

Isn't that where word of mouth comes in? I take the shitty bullet and let all the people I know how shitty it was and they in turn tell other people.

Edit: The original Hulk movie had really high numbers for the first week but the entire thing got killed by word of mouth.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

But we already know how shitty it is. We knew how shitty it was months ago.

By the original Hulk movie I'm assuming you mean Ang Lee's one and that is a terrible example because that was fantastic movie.

[Fifthfiend]

Isn't that where word of mouth comes in? I take the shitty bullet and let all the people I know how shitty it was and they in turn tell other people.

That is where word of mouth would come in, except that word of mouth is exactly what you, yourself, were arguing against.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I just don't want to judge a product before I see it. I've had plenty experience with movies I thought would be shit but turned out to be awesome. I thought Kick-Ass would suck thanks to the shitty comic it was based on, I expected nothing out of Iron Man, and my friends and I referred to the new X-Men movie as "First Ass" for months.

[Kim]

I just don't want to judge a product before I see it. I've had plenty experience with movies I thought would be shit but turned out to be awesome. I thought Kick-Ass would suck thanks to the shitty comic it was based on, I expected nothing out of Iron Man, and my friends and I referred to the new X-Men movie as "First Ass" for months.

Alright, so are you for word of mouth or against it?

Because you argue against it and then when people are all "Why would I pay money just to find out a crappy movie is crappy, thereby rewarding crappy movie making?" You bring up word of mouth, and then you subsequently argue against it again.

Critics are the word of mouth. They're saying it's crap. It looks like crap. It's probably crap.

[Lumenskir]

I take the shitty bullet and let all the people I know how shitty it was and they in turn tell other people.
Good news! A shit ton of people have already done that. I linked to them!

[Archbio]

I'm happy to see the energy cloud that played Galactus in the second (third?) Fantastic Four found work again.

I'm a little concerned it might get typecast, though.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Alright, so are you for word of mouth or against it?

Because you argue against it and then when people are all "Why would I pay money just to find out a crappy movie is crappy, thereby rewarding crappy movie making?" You bring up word of mouth, and then you subsequently argue against it again.

Critics are the word of mouth. They're saying it's crap. It looks like crap. It's probably crap.

As a teenager, I go into a movie with a different mindset then a lot critics so I don't really trust them. I'm pro-word of mouth when it's from friends that have seen something.

[Lumenskir]

As a teenager, I go into a movie with a different mindset then a lot critics so I don't really trust them.
God, how I don't miss being a teenager.

But honestly, most critics mindset is "I don't want to have wasted these two hours." Your's is different how, again?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

God, how I don't miss being a teenager.

But honestly, most critics mindset is "I don't want to have wasted these two hours." Your's is different how, again?

That is how I go in but my expectations are different. On this one, I'm a big fan of the character and I want to see if it delivers on all of the promise that the concept has. I don't want two hours to be wasted but I don't think it's a waste if I have a good time watching it (even if it is subpar).

[Fifthfiend]

I just don't want to judge a product before I see it. I've had plenty experience with movies I thought would be shit but turned out to be awesome. I thought Kick-Ass would suck thanks to the shitty comic it was based on, I expected nothing out of Iron Man, and my friends and I referred to the new X-Men movie as "First Ass" for months.

Differentiating your own tastes from those of critics is something everybody does, and everyone makes their own judgment of what looks like a movie that might be worth watching vs. what will be 12 dollars spent on a pile of green poo, but you shouldn't denigrate people for judging a movie "without seeing it" just because they personally do find general critical perception - as well as, of course, their view of the substantial promotional materials moviemakers release for the purpose of allowing audiences to pre-judge their work - to generally be trustworthy as a guide to the quality of particular things.

[Fifthfiend]

I mean some of my favorite movies ever are (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_the_furious_tokyo_drift/) movies that most people would say "so it's the Karate Kid, but with cars, and also li'l bow wow?" and I'd be like "...yeah" and they'd be like "that sounds like ass" and, if I were to then say "well that's just you JUDGING it WITHOUT SEEING IT FIRST", I'd sound pretty ridiculous!

[Krylo]

Actually if you look at the rotten tomatoes link there, it's a pretty good indication of exactly why people should generally ignore critics.

Critics do have entirely different expectations for movies than an average movie goer, and they watch movies in a different manner. They watch them critically, because that is their job. As a result, movies that are just 'summer fun' or whatever thing that might be honestly enjoyable even if it lacks anything 'greater' tend to be down rated pretty harshly. And of course the opposite can happen sometimes as well, where someone watching a movie critically (usually 'Oscar Bait' movies) will score it much higher than your average movie goer would do.

Tokyo Drift is apparently a good example, in that the audience rates it 80% and the critics rate it 35%. You are very very very far from being alone in really liking Tokyo Drift, Fifth. Unless you're a film critic.

Which is why I tend to find Rotten Tomatoes a better source of reviews than most places. You can compare critical and audience scores and get a much better idea of what a movie is.

Granted, I probably won't be watching Tokyo Drift 'cause I didn't care for the first two Fast and Furious movies, but.

Edit: Realize this reads as a defense of Green Lantern. And no, that movie is gonna blow hard.

[Kurosen]

Granted, I probably won't be watching Tokyo Drift 'cause I didn't care for the first two Fast and Furious movies, but.



'cause I didn't care for the first two



first two

Explain how you managed to sit through a Fast and the Furious movie after watching a Fast and the Furious movie, please.

[Osterbaum]

I vaguely remember seeing the first one. Afterwards I vividly remember ignoring all of the sequels.

[Krylo]

Explain how you managed to sit through a Fast and the Furious movie after watching a Fast and the Furious movie, please.

I only saw parts of the second one to be fair.

[Fifthfiend]

Explain how you managed to sit through a Fast and the Furious movie after watching a Fast and the Furious movie, please.

A quarter mile at a time.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

A quarter mile at a time.

*slow clap*

[BloodyMage]

Well, I'll be seeing it this weekend, although you guys have lessened my expectations, but my girlfriend wants to see it for Ryan Reynolds, and I think he's a pretty good actor, so I'll be interested in seeing him in the role. Now though, it's mostly bile fascination at seeing how bad it is. I never had much hope for Blake Lively though.

On an unrelated matter, I like Tokyo Drift too.

[rpgdemon]

I saw and liked Fast 5, for what it's worth?

[Fifthfiend]

I saw and liked Fast 5, for what it's worth?

Fast Five isn't really relevant here because it actually has like 85% on RT because even actual movie critics couldn't help inexplicably enjoying it.

[Krylo]

There's nothing inexplicable about liking a movie with the Rock in a primary role.

[Fifthfiend]

I'd respond with Doom but fuck I'd probably even enjoy that a bit if I saw it.

[Archbio]

http://www.imageshare.web.id/images/3nym7nhgpgd54fl0n36.jpg

[Marc v4.0]

It was a fairly good action movie that just happened to take place on Mars with monsters, but it wasn't really Doom.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

FUCK THIS MOVIE! I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED!

[Krylo]

http://www.imageshare.web.id/images/3nym7nhgpgd54fl0n36.jpg

Doesn't count. He didn't get any actual lines and was only in the movie as a CGI monster.

The Scorpion King Sequel was actually pretty enjoyable, despite being based on that terrible thing.

[Tev]

FUCK THIS MOVIE! I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED!And now you know.

If there's a superhero movie staring Ryan Reynolds, and it's not the Deadpool movie, then it isn't worth watching.

[Lumenskir]

Critics do have entirely different expectations for movies than an average movie goer, and they watch movies in a different manner. They watch them critically, because that is their job. As a result, movies that are just 'summer fun' or whatever thing that might be honestly enjoyable even if it lacks anything 'greater' tend to be down rated pretty harshly. And of course the opposite can happen sometimes as well, where someone watching a movie critically (usually 'Oscar Bait' movies) will score it much higher than your average movie goer would do.
Maybe it's because I tend to avoid capital c Critics, but I've found the whole "Reviews of summer movies can't be trusted" thing to be pretty bunk. Most of the reviews I read judge the movie based on what it sets out to be, and the simple fact is that a lot of summer movies set out to be dumb fun and fail.

But I'm of the opinion that general consensus sites aren't really as useful as finding a handful of critics who have tastes similar to your own.
Which is why I tend to find Rotten Tomatoes a better source of reviews than most places. You can compare critical and audience scores and get a much better idea of what a movie is.
Yeah, but it's the internet, so you run the risk of, like, Atlas Shrugged getting universally derided but having enough die hards who can crank up the audience score.
FUCK THIS MOVIE! I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED!
I wanna make a word of mouth joke, but you've probably suffered enough I'm guessing.

[Krylo]

But I'm of the opinion that general consensus sites aren't really as useful as finding a handful of critics who have tastes similar to your own.

This is honestly probably best.

Or even just reading the full reviews, because a decent critic will still talk about the strong/weak points even if they hated it and you can make an pretty educated guess there.

I just don't think being like "Well most of the critics hated this mindless action movie, so it must be terrible" is particularly useful unless you're doing it after having actually read the hows and whys of them not liking it. Or have some other qualifier, like the promotional materials etc.

[greed]

Looking at the critics/audience split on Rotten Tomatoes can be pretty interesting. The Hangover 2 has a HUGE gap.

[Fifthfiend]

FUCK THIS MOVIE! I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED!

/thread

[Marc v4.0]

I enjoyed Spiderman 3 and willingly watched the first Hulk movie.

Fucking Bring It.

[Krylo]

I also liked Spiderman 3. The piano scene was ALMOST as good as the locker scene in Spiderman 1.

[Lumenskir]

willingly watched the first Hulk movie.
I haven't seen it, but I think there's a quiet build up of support for it now that the kneejerk hatred has faded. I mean, it's 'praise' like "Nobly flawed" and the like, but better than outright disgust.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Ang Lee's Hulk was easily the best superhero film ever made. It's not even close.

[Fifthfiend]

Ang Lee's Hulk was easily the best superhero film ever made. It's not even close.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/reactions/208cqi9.gif

[Meister]

I choose to believe you're saying Michael Jackson's Moonwalker was the best superhero film ever made.

That shit was on TV the other day, dude runs from the fascist police for ten minutes and then straight up turns into a car to escape them, with no explanation ever given if I remember correctly. That isn't a superpower, you tell me what is.

[Osterbaum]

I thought the first Hulk movie was pretty good.

[Loyal]

I had fun at Spiderman 3, but then I was watching it with most of my programming class and we found it hilarious that Harry kept getting hit in the head throughout the movie, again and again and again. And we just lost it at Emo-Peter.

[Fifthfiend]

I choose to believe you're saying Michael Jackson's Moonwalker was the best superhero film ever made.

That shit was on TV the other day, dude runs from the fascist police for ten minutes and then straight up turns into a car to escape them, with no explanation ever given if I remember correctly. That isn't a superpower, you tell me what is.

This is very probably at least as much as half of what I was saying

Let's be honest most of Michael's regular old dance moves qualify as abilities above and beyond the powers of mortal men.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I choose to believe you're saying Michael Jackson's Moonwalker was the best superhero film ever made.

That shit was on TV the other day, dude runs from the fascist police for ten minutes and then straight up turns into a car to escape them, with no explanation ever given if I remember correctly. That isn't a superpower, you tell me what is.

There was a shooting star. That's straight up cosmic magic.
Though the bit with like the rabbit and talking costume and things- who knows.

[Magus]

The Onion's take on it (http://www.theonion.com/video/green-lantern-to-fulfill-americas-wish-to-see-lant,20741/) is that unlike Batman and Superman, hardly anybody gave a shit about the Green Lantern or had even heard of him outside of references on The Big Bang Theory until this movie was said to be being made. Now it's going to be a big blockbuster summer hit despite even your average "comic book type" like me knowing almost jack shit about Green Lantern's universe. I know that Sinestro guy turns out to be a bad guy, why is Green Lantern fighting Galactus when that's in the Marvel universe? Also big brain guy is stupid looking.

The only thing I really know about Green Lantern comes from Justice League cartoons, and I am honestly perplexed as to why Reynolds is wasting time making flamethrowers out of the power ring when he can make shit way more amazing and powerful in the cartoon.

EDIT: As for not paying a whole buncha money to see trash, I tend to see "bad" movies like this at the drive-in so I'm paying something like three dollars to see it. I'm sure there is a profit there somewhere for them but it's way less than if you go on Friday night, assuredly.

Also if a movie like this is bad it will still be a failure for the studio. They might pull in 30 million but on average movie like this costs 60 million so they will still lose money. It's just a personal loss if you spend 12 dollars to see a really crappy movie. That's why I tend to stick to matinees unless it's like, a Quentin Tarantino movie where I know everybody is going to have a blast and it's money well spent.

[akaSM]

I choose to believe you're saying Michael Jackson's Moonwalker was the best superhero film ever made.

That shit was on TV the other day, dude runs from the fascist police for ten minutes and then straight up turns into a car to escape them, with no explanation ever given if I remember correctly. That isn't a superpower, you tell me what is.

Now I want to see that movie.

why is Green Lantern fighting Galactus when that's in the Marvel universe?

Wait...wat...that actually happens? O_o

[Osterbaum]

Apparently the effects are kind of crappy too. And effects quality is pretty important for a movie that I assume relies heavily on special effects.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

This is very probably at least as much as half of what I was saying

Let's be honest most of Michael's regular old dance moves qualify as abilities above and beyond the powers of mortal men.

Have you seen that thing where his feet are flatly planted on the ground but the rest of him tilts to the side?
Unbelievable.

[Archbio]

Have you seen that thing where his feet are flatly planted on the ground but the rest of him tilts to the side?

Method and means for creating anti-gravity illusion (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5255452&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP)

Ang Lee's Hulk was easily the best superhero film ever made.

See, if you said "Ang Lee's Hulk is the best Hulk film ever made," or "Ang Lee's Hulk is the best Betty/Thunderbolt Ross film ever made," I'd have to agree.

But since it's not really a superhero film, it can hardly be the best, can it?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Apparently the effects are kind of crappy too. And effects quality is pretty important for a movie that I assume relies heavily on special effects.

You have no idea.

The suit was never quite convincing but I was able to put it aside, the mask was unforgivable, and that weren't Sinestro and Abin Sur looked like they were out of a video game. When the first scene starts the CGI is so terrible my PS2 would be embarrassed.

And this leads to one of my bigger complaints: the lack of practical effects. Building a fucking set goes a long way towards creating a sense of realism and when you have humanoid in space suits then you should put some people in the goddamn space suits instead of CGing everything! As for the practical effects, those were pretty sloppy too. Hector Hammond looked fucking ridiculous with his giant head and psychic powers.

On the acting front, everyone did as best they could with the shit they were given. The script was a mess and I'm surprised they were able to say some of their lines without bursting into laughter. Sarsgaard totally knew what a piece of shit he was making and he camped it up to a ridiculous movie. When he was on, I thought I was watching Flash Gordon without the charm and the killer soundtrack by Queen.

As I've already said, the story is shit. And that's not even taking into account how they wasted their source material. This movie has the most laughable switch to bad guy I've ever seen from Sinestro of all people. And it happens during the credits.

Not ten minutes into this movie, I turned to two of my friends and said, "Ten bucks, he throws Parallax into the sun." One of them actually paid up.

This is a terrible movie filled with rushed scenes that somehow managed to find a way to drag on forever. I can't even see non-comic book fans liking this movie. There's a surprising amount of things in this movie that you'd have to have had experience with the comics to understand. This movie is just utter garbage.

Don't pay money to watch it.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

See, if you said "Ang Lee's Hulk is the best Hulk film ever made," or "Ang Lee's Hulk is the best Betty/Thunderbolt Ross film ever made," I'd have to agree.

But since it's not really a superhero film, it can hardly be the best, can it?

It's about a superhero. That should really be the qualification. Like you can come up wit other qualifications that fit other superhero films and not Hulk but those qualifications also fit the genre "Shit films" so they are probably not the best to use

[Archbio]

It's about a superhero.

It's about Thunderbolt and Betty Ross.

Now, Thunderbolt Ross does sound like a superhero name, I know.

[Fifthfiend]

I mean I'm not saying IH was the very worst movie ever made and that nobody anywhere can ever enjoy it ever it's more that I still remember Smarty's arglebargle for why he hates Batman Begins in light of which his claiming to believe that Incredible Hulk as the height of superhero moviemaking is really just fantastic.

It's like someone who once posted five thousand words on how Wall-E is a cinematic abomination suddenly popping up and saying I, Robot starring Will Smith is the greatest robot movie ever put on film.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm pretty sure Batman Begins didn't have Jennifer Connely in it. That's really my only standard.

E: Also ridiculous comic book wipes.

EE: Both Batman Begins and Incredible Hulk attempt to be more in depth character studies but one of them was written by a 5 year old and the other by lik a 10 year old.

EEE: You can see what going on in Hulk.

EEEE: One ofththings you can see is Hulk punching out a mirror of Bruce Banner.DEEP!

[mauve]

Ang Lee's Hulk was easily the best superhero film ever made.

"Ang Lee's Hulk?" Silly li'l Smarty. That's not how you spell "Hellboy."

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I haven't seen that to be fair. It's got Hell in the title. It will offend my sensibilities.

[mauve]

I haven't seen that to be fair.
Oh you poor thing.

[Lumenskir]

I'm pretty sure Batman Begins didn't have Jennifer Connely in it. That's really my only standard.
I think we all went through the exact same "Which comic book movie is best" discussion when the second Hulk movie came out.

Again, not to belabor the point, but:

The Rocketeer features a guy with a jetpack, 23 year old Jennifer Connelly doing a great Bettie Page impression, and mobsters and G Men teaming up to take down Nazis. Also, John Locke.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I think we all went through the exact same "Which comic book movie is best" discussion when the second Hulk movie came out.

Again, not to belabor the point, but:

The Rocketeer features a guy with a jetpack, 23 year old Jennifer Connelly doing a great Bettie Page impression, and mobsters and G Men teaming up to take down Nazis. Also, John Locke.

If that's where your standards lie then you are going to love Captain America. It has Hayley Atwell.

[Bells]

I think we can all agree that the deeper truth is that Brian Reynolds can't catch a break. This is like, what, his 3rd Action Hero role in a sucky movie in a roll?

[Nique]

I also liked Ang Lee's Hulk AND Spider-Man 3 (but not Spider-Man 2). What are the odds I'm going to like Green Lantern?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I also liked Ang Lee's Hulk AND Spider-Man 3 (but not Spider-Man 2). What are the odds I'm going to like Green Lantern?

I dunno, do you like good movies? If you do, this ain't the movie for you.

[BloodyMage]

I think we can all agree that the deeper truth is that Brian Reynolds can't catch a break. This is like, what, his 3rd Action Hero role in a sucky movie in a roll?

Not really. Buried was fantastic. He just needs to stop accepting superhero roles, because the writing and directing seem to bite him in the ass.

[Archbio]

The first one to say something positive about Hellboy 2: The Golden Hammy gets cut.

[RickZarber]

I think we can all agree that the deeper truth is that Brian [sic] Reynolds can't catch a break. This is like, what, his 3rd Action Hero role in a sucky movie in a roll?He was pretty great as Captain Excellent in Paper Man (http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2409826073/)! Granted, he played the imaginary friend of a stunted man-child, but he was still a superhero!The first one to say something positive about Hellboy 2: The Golden Hammy gets cut.Fine. Hellboy 2 was fantastically campy and I loved all of it.

I'll probably still see Green Lantern at some point. Too curious not to. Here a question: would you say it was worse than the Wolverine: Origins movie?

[Marc v4.0]

I doubt anything could be

[The Sevenshot Kid]

He was pretty great as Captain Excellent in Paper Man (http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2409826073/)! Granted, he played the imaginary friend of a stunted man-child, but he was still a superhero!Fine. Hellboy 2 was fantastically campy and I loved all of it.

I'll probably still see Green Lantern at some point. Too curious not to. Here a question: would you say it was worse than the Wolverine: Origins movie?

Tied.

[Lumenskir]

Ugh, got to the movie theater an hour early, so we decided to sneak into the last 40 minutes of this while we sobered up before Super 8.

Honestly, if you told me that this movie took a week to write, I would tell you to fuck off with your inflated time frames and look at the final action sequence. It really seems like the writers were inflicted with a neurotoxin and told they would only be given the antidote if they rushed the script in, because how else do you explain:

-So GL and Brainiac fight, and GL wins, and Brainiac just...walks away I guess while GL sulks?
-Blake Lively is some sort of computer genius? Also, that those computers would definitely be working great right after an explosion happened like three feet away.
-So, the ring can create anything...like, let's say bullets. Why make a gun to shoot bullets when you can have a ring that shoots bullets. Also, why shoot bullets at all, you have a fucking ring that can make anything.
-Does GL have an irrational hatred of satellites in the comics? Because there is no other reason why he had to throw that satellite.
-"Guys, there's totally a really dense asteroid field like thirty seconds away from Earth, right? And it just sort of ends, right?"
-The cloud chasing GL literally looked like a green line being chased by the angriest clip art in the universe.
-"Guys, it totally only takes like thirty seconds to get to the sun right? Also, you don't have to go through the asteroid belt again, because that's totally on the way to the sun and not actually in the complete opposite direction, right?"
-Was the "bigger you are = faster you burn" thing established before in the movie Hahaha, that part makes no sense no matter what.
-So it takes him thirty seconds to fly to the sun, but he still needs to strap himself to two fighter jets to get the speed necessary to barely escape? Why not an entire fleet of fighter jets, or anything else he wanted? Were his space helicopters in the garage or something?

Just...ugh. I feel like I should have just stared at my Super 8 ticket.
What are the odds I'm going to like Green Lantern?
It's a ridiculous caricature of a movie that tries to distract the audience from noticing the lack of a meaningful story or interesting characters by throwing up mounds of special effects, which themselves aren't that impressive after being displayed so often the audience becomes inured to them. Meanwhile, the basic moral is that no matter how long Others with different skin color have done something, they still need the help of a white man to solve all of their problems after a week of training in the practices they have done forever...so I dunno, only if you're into those kinds of things.

[POS Industries]

-So GL and Brainiac fight, and GL wins, and Brainiac just...walks away I guess while GL sulks?
I think you mean Sinestro, not Brainiac. And yes, Sinestro does get to walk away while GL sulks, because Sinestro is just that cool a dude.

I mean, probably not in this movie because it sounds like it doesn't do anything right, but Sinestro in the comics is basically the best character in the DCU.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I think you mean Sinestro, not Brainiac. And yes, Sinestro does get to walk away while GL sulks, because Sinestro is just that cool a dude.

I mean, probably not in this movie because it sounds like it doesn't do anything right, but Sinestro in the comics is basically the best character in the DCU.

He means Hector Hammond. And Sinestro is so fucking wasted in this movie that I don't even know why they bothered to include him.

[Lumenskir]

I think you mean Sinestro, not Brainiac. And yes, Sinestro does get to walk away while GL sulks, because Sinestro is just that cool a dude.
No, in this movie Sinestro is like the second best good guy until I guess after the credits where they say he is evil for the sequel. In this movie GL fights a giant brained Peter Sarsgaard.

Actually, the only good part of that bit was when Brainiac first manifests his powers by throwing off his shackles and rising up very Michael Jackson-esque.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

No, in this movie Sinestro is like the second best good guy until I guess after the credits where they say he is evil for the sequel. In this movie GL fights a giant brained Peter Sarsgaard.

Actually, the only good part of that bit was when Brainiac first manifests his powers by throwing off his shackles and rising up very Michael Jackson-esque.

You know how little you saw of Sinestro in that part of the movie? That was pretty much it!

[POS Industries]

No, in this movie Sinestro is like the second best good guy until I guess after the credits where they say he is evil for the sequel. In this movie GL fights a giant brained Peter Sarsgaard.
Ohhhh, Hector Hammond! Yeah, that's not Brainiac. Just a guy with a big brain, I guess.

...Look, there's a reason nobody gives a shit about the Green Lantern villains that aren't just other colored Lanterns, okay?

[Aerozord]

-"Guys, there's totally a really dense asteroid field like thirty seconds away from Earth, right? And it just sort of ends, right?"

Yup, well until you hit the kupier belt, though despite what every media ever has shown. "dense asteroid field" means they are only hundreds of miles apart instead of millions of miles. You can fly right through the asteroid belt and not even see one

[Krylo]

-"Guys, it totally only takes like thirty seconds to get to the sun right?

It does if you're going sixteen times the speed of light.

Was he going sixteen times the speed of light?

[Magus]

He was bookin' but we could still see him, so no. He just warps space time with green power.

Brian Reynolds

Hahaha that is all this guy deserves, he better bring the Deadpool soon or his best movie to date will be "Blade Trinity".

This movie was terrible in ways that X-Men Origins: Wolverine could only dream of but one "good" thing was it decided to introduce Amanda Waller and Cadmus in an incredibly boring way that everyone will forget about when they get around to making The Man of Steel and bring that shit back or whenever the hell they're going to bring it back...I think they're going for a Marvel-esque "put S.H.I.E.L.D. in every movie" thing to create "continuity" but fucking it up with terrible movies, hopefully the next DC movie doesn't suck big time, but at least Nolan will be in charge of it.

Also per your earlier topic, can you guys clarify if you are talking about "Hulk" or "The Incredible Hulk" because those were totally different movies and the second one was way better, unless you are Smarty in which case the best movie ever is always going to be the terrible version of it. For example, when the new Captain America comes out, Smarty will be sure to claim the old made-for-TV one starring Reb Brown is really the best movie ever, because something something.

Ohhhh, Hector Hammond! Yeah, that's not Brainiac. Just a guy with a big brain, I guess.

...Look, there's a reason nobody gives a shit about the Green Lantern villains that aren't just other colored Lanterns, okay?

This was my thing with this: is this seriously the best this universe has to offer for villains? These were like the worst freaking things. One is kind of a pushover because his power is sort of like Green Lanterns but it's just telekinesis so he's actually not as powerful, and then the other is this big giant abstract otherworldly menace that is menacing and has no dramatic weight whatsoever.

Usually for your origin story when starting a totally new franchise, you pick the biggest most well-known villain. The original Superman had Lex Luthor, the Michael Keaton Batman had the Joker. Sinestro shoulda been the villain because for the life of me he was the only Green Lantern villain I had ever heard of. This movie would be like if in X-Men instead of fighting Magneto they were battling Mr. Sinister or whatever the hell...actually that would still be pretty good!? Is Green Lantern just devoid of interesting villains or what?

Another problem with this movie is nothing makes any sense. For example, there are 3600 Green Lanterns to police the entire universe. That's right, they police billions of galaxies, apparently. Each has its own sector that would have to be pretty freaking huge, right? But within the Milky Way galaxy itself there are like, at least four sectors we know of. So either the universe is actually tiny as hell or when they said "universe" they meant "galaxy", which is how I would have written it because for 3600 dudes/dudettes/alien wasps to police an INFINITE OR AT LEAST FREAKING GIGANTIC UNIVERSE makes no sense.

[Bells]

, he better bring the Deadpool soon or his best movie to date will be "Blade Trinity"

DING!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1431045/

The movie's script is still in development but will be based around the character of Wade Wilson, a mercenary with terminal cancer who undergoes military experiments in an attempt to replicate Wolverine's mutant healing factor. This results are mixed as Wilson's ability to regenerate wounds is greatly increased (mimicking the abilities of Wolverine) but his mind is fundamentally fractured, leading to his multiple personalities and ability to break the fourth wall of narrative within storytelling. Similarly his skin is ridden with blisters and sores as a bi-product of his massively accelerated healing factor. He eventually leaves the Weapon X program and becomes a mercenary for hire, earning himself the pseudonym; "The Merc with a Mouth".

Note: This is not the actual script of the movie since there isn't one available yet and the producer of the movie, Lauren Shuler Donner mentioning that this deadpool will be very different from the character portrayed in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

[Nique]

Just got back - Way less enjoyable than I was initially hoping for although it didn't make me mad that I paid for a movie ticket in the same way that The Last Airbender did.

Yeah the way you guys described it I was expecting it to be horrible. Like, M Night Shalalala bad. I liked the parts that were actually about him being a Green Lantern and any scene that Blake Lively wasn't in was pretty good. The overall story was pretty weak, and Hector Hammond and Amanda Waller felt really thrown in for no reason.

Green Lantern: First Flight was way better in terms writing.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Green Lantern: First Flight was way better in terms writing.

That's cause it was Training Day in space. Which is closer to what this garbage should have been.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Also per your earlier topic, can you guys clarify if you are talking about "Hulk" or "The Incredible Hulk" because those were totally different movies and the second one was way better, unless you are Smarty in which case the best movie ever is always going to be the terrible version of it. For example, when the new Captain America comes out, Smarty will be sure to claim the old made-for-TV one starring Reb Brown is really the best movie ever, because something something.
Gosh no. But I can say neither of them will be as good as my script where Captain America wins world war 2 in first few minutes, goes into ice flow sleep like in comics, wakes up in the 90s, goes on a vicious nazi hunt, takes over America and turns it into police state because it has gone soft and needs to prepare for the nazi menace and he seems like the real villain but then it turns out he is right all along as Hitler clone takes over Russia and starts a world war which we'll covr in last 30 minutes.


Another problem with this movie is nothing makes any sense. For example, there are 3600 Green Lanterns to police the entire universe. That's right, they police billions of galaxies, apparently. Each has its own sector that would have to be pretty freaking huge, right? But within the Milky Way galaxy itself there are like, at least four sectors we know of. So either the universe is actually tiny as hell or when they said "universe" they meant "galaxy", which is how I would have written it because for 3600 dudes/dudettes/alien wasps to police an INFINITE OR AT LEAST FREAKING GIGANTIC UNIVERSE makes no sense.

Maybe they just police galaxies with sentient races that they know about. which could be a much smaller number.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Gosh no. But I can say neither of them will be as good as my script where Captain America wins world war 2 in first few minutes, goes into ice flow sleep like in comics, wakes up in the 90s, goes on a vicious nazi hunt, takes over America and turns it into police state because it has gone soft and needs to prepare for the nazi menace and he seems like the real villain but then it turns out he is right all along as Hitler clone takes over Russia and starts a world war which we'll covr in last 30 minutes.


Maybe they just police galaxies with sentient races that they know about. which could be a much smaller number.

No. NO! NO!

You are not allowed to say something completely asinine like that and follow it with something that make complete and total sense. It's not fair!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Captain America was created to be the perfect Nazi killer. You can't just give that up! It's why they kept Red Skull all those years, he needed a Nazi to fight.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Captain America was created to be the perfect Nazi killer. You can't just give that up! It's why they kept Red Skull all those years, he needed a Nazi to fight.

You're doing it again! That made perfect sense to me. I'm going to the doctor's office tomorrow.

[Lumenskir]

Ugh, why are you all giving money to this shitty movie instead of sneaking into it before paying for more qualified movies! I'm going to assume you just hate money, rather than the more insidious conclusion that you want to encourage the propagation of more shitty movies like this.
Another problem with this movie is nothing makes any sense. For example, there are 3600 Green Lanterns to police the entire universe. That's right, they police billions of galaxies, apparently. Each has its own sector that would have to be pretty freaking huge, right? But within the Milky Way galaxy itself there are like, at least four sectors we know of. So either the universe is actually tiny as hell or when they said "universe" they meant "galaxy", which is how I would have written it because for 3600 dudes/dudettes/alien wasps to police an INFINITE OR AT LEAST FREAKING GIGANTIC UNIVERSE makes no sense.
This actually might qualify as fridge brilliance: Since the movie presents our solar system as being about two football fields long, the GL Universe is probably only the size of a large mall.
Just got back - Way less enjoyable than I was initially hoping for although it didn't make me mad that I paid for a movie ticket in the same way that The Last Airbender did.
How low were your initial hopes set, seeing as every critic hated it and this thread was full of word of mouth about how bad it was?

[Magus]

Well I spent six dollars total on it and also saw The Hangover Part 2 along with it which was quite enjoyable, so I'd say my contribution to the coffers was quite low.

[Marc v4.0]

ok, i clealry just saw a different movie then the rest of you, because it was actually decent and the solar system size complaints seem horribly unfounded. judging by the GAS GIANT in the bacground before he crosses the asteroid field, he obviously went the other direction before he went to the sun and the way the entire space thing is edited doesn't suggest one completly smooth scene to be taken as continuous


Now that I am not posting from my phone: The acting was fine, the CG effects were good, the lines were alright, Brainiac was sorta shoe-horned in but the girl didn't give off that vibe. It..was just a summer super hero movie. From now on, I mmove we quit with dropping all this really unrealistic negativity and exaggeration, it makes it very difficult to judge interest in a movie from veiwer reaction if everyone is going to blow all the smallest details the fuck out of proportion and formulate complaints about things that either aren't a problem or were the fault of the person not paying attention. For real.

[Aerozord]

Another problem with this movie is nothing makes any sense. For example, there are 3600 Green Lanterns to police the entire universe. That's right, they police billions of galaxies, apparently. Each has its own sector that would have to be pretty freaking huge, right? But within the Milky Way galaxy itself there are like, at least four sectors we know of. So either the universe is actually tiny as hell or when they said "universe" they meant "galaxy", which is how I would have written it because for 3600 dudes/dudettes/alien wasps to police an INFINITE OR AT LEAST FREAKING GIGANTIC UNIVERSE makes no sense.

to be fair other DC series have pointed out that the Earth is abit of a freak of nature and why it effectively gets its own Green Lantern. The number of super powered beings is way higher then other places, ignoring planets where they all have a power cause that balances out. In most sectors you probably dont even have one person that is in the same league as a green lantern, Earth has like 20 of them

[Lumenskir]

Well I spent six dollars total on it and also saw The Hangover Part 2 along with it which was quite enjoyable, so I'd say my contribution to the coffers was quite low.
"Don't give me that look, I only stabbed Ceasar once."
It..was just a summer super hero movie. From now on, I mmove we quit with dropping all this really unrealistic negativity and exaggeration, it makes it very difficult to judge interest in a movie from veiwer reaction if everyone is going to blow all the smallest details the fuck out of proportion and formulate complaints about things that either aren't a problem or were the fault of the person not paying attention. For real.
But this wasn't a normal comic book movie, nor was it a bad comic book movie. It was a bad movie. It had way more plot than was necessary, the action scenes were just laughable and not interesting, and all in all it didn't move like a motherfucker.

[POS Industries]

Is Green Lantern just devoid of interesting villains or what?
Basically, yes. Or, at least, the characters that become the Lantern Corps' most interesting/decent villains are the ones that spent the movie as Hal's friends, namely Sinestro and Carol Ferris. Hector Hammond is pretty much a throwaway villain at this point (probably only brought back into the comics to be involved in Brightest Day because he was chosen to be the main bad guy in the movie), and from what I hear it seems they completely mishandled Parallax, since the whole thing with it being this big nasty yellow fear monster was a massive retcon in the first place and revealing it as such in the very first (and probably only!) movie in the GL franchise is really putting the cart before the horse.

You see, the original Parallax was Hal Jordan after he went crazy when Coast City was destroyed. He annihilated the entire Lantern Corps and I think nearly destroyed the entire space-time continuum and then eventually came back and, in one last act of heroism, sacrificed himself to reignite the sun (long story) and that was that for a few years.

But then Geoff Johns decided that the characters he read about as a kid were way cooler than the ones that replaced them and decided to bring back Hal, so it turns out he was possessed by an evil fear monster all along, thus absolving him of any and all guilt in the matter and allowing everyone to go about their business. /wiki

Basically what they needed to do here was do Hal's origin, have him discover that Sinestro, the most awesome Green Lantern ever, was actually using his power to rule his entire world with an iron fist, and then Hal has to stop him. Meanwhile, Carol's not dealing with the fact that Hal's run off to the four corners of the galaxy to do his superhero shit well, they have a blow out, and Hal, being kind of a dick, chooses FIGHTAN EVUL over her and she gets her heart broken like nobody's business, attracting the power of the Star Sapphire to her. Meanwhile, Sinestro is banished to Qward or whatever for his crimes and at the end you see him making his snazzy new yellow ring. Roll credits.

Boom, you have a decent enough origin story for Hal and both of his most notable classic villains with a proper setup for future sequels that accurately captures the spirit of the characters involved. Why is this shit so hard for Hollywood to do?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Basically what they needed to do here was do Hal's origin, have him discover that Sinestro, the most awesome Green Lantern ever, was actually using his power to rule his entire world with an iron fist, and then Hal has to stop him. Meanwhile, Carol's not dealing with the fact that Hal's run off to the four corners of the galaxy to do his superhero shit well, they have a blow out, and Hal, being kind of a dick, chooses FIGHTAN EVUL over her and she gets her heart broken like nobody's business, attracting the power of the Star Sapphire to her. Meanwhile, Sinestro is banished to Qward or whatever for his crimes and at the end you see him making his snazzy new yellow ring. Roll credits.

Boom, you have a decent enough origin story for Hal and both of his most notable classic villains with a proper setup for future sequels that accurately captures the spirit of the characters involved. Why is this shit so hard for Hollywood to do?

So you're saying this should have been more like Training Day? Because that seems to be the general consensus.

[POS Industries]

...Yes. This should have been exactly like Training Day in space with hard light constructs.

WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST DO THAT I DON'T EVEN

[Aerozord]

While I doubt Training Day was ripping off DC, fairly certain they did it first so technically Training Day is like GL's origin story

...Yes. This should have been exactly like Training Day in space with hard light constructs.

WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST DO THAT I DON'T EVEN

cause then it would be accused of ripping off Training Day

[POS Industries]

cause then it would be accused of ripping off Training Day
Better than being accused of being a bad movie.

[Marc v4.0]

...Yes. This should have been exactly like Training Day in space with hard light constructs.

WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST DO THAT I DON'T EVEN

Ok that would have been a better movie.


As far as Bad goes...Dragon Ball Evolution was a bad movie, GL was just a comic book super-hero action movie. It wasn't Bad, it just wasn't up-to-par with what we've been getting from our Super-hero movies of late.

[Lumenskir]

cause then it would be accused of ripping off Training Day
Not really a concern for them, a few other places pegged the beginning as Top Gun-liteLight.

[Magus]

Was there a reason stated for why the producers picked Green Lantern to start as a new money making franchise, anyway? It seems like any major super hero that people have vaguely heard of would do. For instance, Reynolds seems more like The Flash than Green Lantern. Pretty much any big member of the Justice League would do to try and make a bunch of money off of, Green Lantern seems the hardest to adapt in an interesting way, since his power is kind of, uh, both extremely abstract but also extremely simple. He seems like a character that works better for a film plot alongside a bunch of other superheroes.

For instance, not to spoil anything, but at one point in the film Green Lantern has to stop a helicopter from crashing. It's been shown that he can just catch things with a big giant green hand and lay them down. However, this is boring to see in every scene, so they came up with the rather ludicrous plan of "turn helicopter into race car and have it race on copy of Hot Wheels track that we saw at the beginning", just to make the power more interesting, to keep it from being too simple. But at the same time, Green Lantern could just make a nuclear bomb to take Parallax out in space rather than going to all the trouble of throwing him into the sun. So the power is also way too abstract and all encompassing.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

So the power is also way too abstract and all encompassing.

That was definitely a major issue with this movie. I gotta say, casting Reynolds was a good decision but not as Hal Jordan. He's a better fit for Kyle Rayner. Plus, the character's background as an artist would go a long way with making the power interesting and actually giving him a reason to use it in such over the top ways.

[BloodyMage]

But that kinda made sense that actually he wasn't using over the top ways to use the power, in fact he was limited and lacking creativity because he only drew from what he knew; i.e. the race track from the kid's room and later using the aircraft prototypes shown in the first flight sequence, so neither were particularly over the top, or out of left field considering we the viewer knew exactly where he was drawing from. Perhaps his creativity could be an issue in a sequel if one is made, but how he used his power seem pretty logical.

Generally, I do kind of agree with Marc v1.0. The way you guys are talking made me go in expecting absolute trash, but the film is nowhere near as bad as I thought it'd turned out. It's nowhere near perfect, don't get me wrong. They put the cart before the horse with Parallax, the writing seemed to be torn between a 80s superhero parody and a sci-fi epic and never quite getting either, and Blake Lively should never have been cast as the love interest. I guarantee however that the average cinema attendee wouldn't have picked up on the first point, would have been mildly distracted by the second, but only so much as to recognise that it's no Dark Knight, and I'm guessing most men are too busy focusing on other parts of Blake Lively to really listen to her. At any rate, yeah, the movie has some faults that really brought it down, but it's not a terrible movie. It's really just alright.

[Marc v4.0]

The visual manner in which Lanterns manifest their willpower differ by their personaility and level of creativity. Power and Intensity are limited only by their Willpower, which can actually exceed the capabilities of the ring. John Stewart tried to do a lot of things that the ring just wasn't powerful enough to do.

[Lumenskir]

That was definitely a major issue with this movie. I gotta say, casting Reynolds was a good decision but not as Hal Jordan. He's a better fit for Kyle Rayner. Plus, the character's background as an artist would go a long way with making the power interesting and actually giving him a reason to use it in such over the top ways.
Kyle Rayner? Really? Come back when you're willing to take this seriously. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/when-you-are-ready-to-have-a-serious-conversation,16308/)

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Kyle Rayner? Really? Come back when you're willing to take this seriously. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/when-you-are-ready-to-have-a-serious-conversation,16308/)

I know I'm one of the few people in this camp, but I like Kyle Rayner much more than Hal Jordan. They're both great characters but Hal's just not that interesting.

[POS Industries]

As a character, Hal was at his most compelling when he was dead.

[Marc v4.0]

John Stewart for life

[Loyal]

I like John Stewart, but then the Justice League cartoon is my only exposure to GL, in any form.

[Krylo]

Fuck John Stewart.

Jon Stewart. Best Green Lantern.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Fuck John Stewart.

Jon Stewart. Best Green Lantern.

Bad idea. He'd spend all his time arguing with the Guardians about their shitty policies.

[Lumenskir]

I'm glad an article making fun of how stupid "The Best GL is..." arguments are inspired an actual "The Best GL is..." argument.

It's like Literally Unbelievable, except both more and less sad at the same time.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

We were already heading down that road. It was only a matter of time.

[Magus]

I am seeing Lumenskir's point for once, which is that whether the character is named Hal Jordan or Kyle Raynor is not going to affect whether it is a bad movie or not. Imagine that Ryan Reynold's character is named Kyle Raynor. Is the movie suddenly better?

...besides which John Stewart was the one from the cartoon, and it was a pretty awesome cartoon.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I am seeing Lumenskir's point for once, which is that whether the character is named Hal Jordan or Kyle Raynor is not going to affect whether it is a bad movie or not. Imagine that Ryan Reynold's character is named Kyle Raynor. Is the movie suddenly better?

That's not even close to what I was saying. What I was saying was that the movie wasn't true to the character. Hal Jordan didn't need to overcome fear, Kyle did. The character arc didn't fit right and I feel maybe it would have meshed better if they had replaced him with Kyle Rayner. It sure would have gotten rid of that wannabe Top Gun bullshit.

[Lumenskir]

I am seeing Lumenskir's point for once
A little because Nique agreed with me on something recently and I need another person to disagree with every reasonable thing I believe, but mostly because my intentions were much less grand, I'm just going to say that my 'point' in posting the article was that I found it funny and had just read it like four minutes before I posted, and Sevenshot's post was the only one I bothered searching for that mentioned Kyle.

[Magus]

But from what you are saying the character basically is Kyle Rayner, they just chose the wrong character to name him, and the only thing that would have changed is instead of being an airplane pilot he woulda been something else, and maybe a couple of other little things. It still would have mostly the same events, dialogue, plot, etc. It still would have been really boring and silly. So it wouldn't be any better.

[Aerozord]

...besides which John Stewart was the one from the cartoon, and it was a pretty awesome cartoon.

Thing I liked was atleast early on, all the talk about imagination and creativity, and his answer to just about everything was blow it up with a laser.

when you get down to it just about any weapon a human would be exposed to is no match for all that cosmic energy being compressed into a tight beam of destruction

[Token]

Thing I liked was atleast early on, all the talk about imagination and creativity, and his answer to just about everything was blow it up with a laser.

when you get down to it just about any weapon a human would be exposed to is no match for all that cosmic energy being compressed into a tight beam of destruction

See, that always pissed me off. Comic Johnwas an architect, and most of his constructs were second only to Kyle in design. Cartoon John basically just pulled the same shit that Hal would.

[synkr0nized]

It wasn't Bad, it just wasn't up-to-par with what we've been getting from our Super-hero movies of late.

Judging from this thread, my assumptions from the trailers, and reviews, it is indeed up to par alongside other comic/super hero movies.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Duck Dodgers was the best and you all know it.

[The SSB Intern]

I... agree with smarty.

[MFD]

Yeah, Movie Bob was pretty angry about this movie.

If we lived in a perfect world, we'd have a good Green Lantern movie. If everyone brushes their teeth every night, we might get this (http://www.foxedproductions.com/2011/06/another-crack-at-green-lantern.html) Green Lantern movie.

But knowing WB and DC, we are getting crap. Crappy crap-crap.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The correct green lantern movie is a high school/college fitting in/learning the ropes movie with the human being introduced to super space cool and the bullies are all yellow lanterns and he always screws up but slowly he learns the ropes and learns to fit in all in time for the arrival of some villain.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

If we lived in a perfect world, we'd have a good Green Lantern movie. If everyone brushes their teeth every night, we might get this (http://www.foxedproductions.com/2011/06/another-crack-at-green-lantern.html) Green Lantern movie.

Hell, now I have a reason not to brush my teeth.

[Lumenskir]

Hell, now I have a reason not to brush my teeth.
Ok, I'm going to give Green Lantern a pass since it was the only way to setup this comment.

[POS Industries]

If everyone brushes their teeth every night, we might get this (http://www.foxedproductions.com/2011/06/another-crack-at-green-lantern.html) Green Lantern movie.
Wow, that sounded terrible. Also this:

That brings me to Guy Gardner, the jingoistic red-blooded American who sometimes helps out Hal. He'd be perfect, played by Josh Holloway or some other actor with a nice Southern accent.
...Southern? What? He's from Baltimore! It's a totally different accent!

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Wow, that sounded terrible. Also this:


...Southern? What? He's from Baltimore! It's a totally different accent!

Would you like to join me in not brushing my teeth?

[Fifthfiend]

If you were going to make him from anywhere besides Baltimore, you'd make him be from like... Boston.

Or maybe New Jersey.

[Fifthfiend]

Hell, now I have a reason not to brush my teeth.

Sevenshot:

There is no reason ever to stop brushing your teeth

IT IS JUST GROSS

YOU DO NOT LOOK FOR REASONS TO DO THAT

[Krylo]

http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=844&d=1283641847

[akaSM]

Teeth brushing? Dental floss is what the cool kids do :cool:

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Sevenshot:

There is no reason ever to stop brushing your teeth

IT IS JUST GROSS

YOU DO NOT LOOK FOR REASONS TO DO THAT

But sometimes I forget!

[Revising Ocelot]

Brush 'em, floss 'em, mouthwash 'em, stick 'em in a stew. Repeat.

[Magus]

Duck Dodgers was the best and you all know it.

That was like the best cartoon. Boomerang used to play Duck Dodgers and Justice League back to back. It was like the best thing ever.

[Lumenskir]

Man I was really dreading that enough idiots would pony up money for the light show that we'd get even more of these, but YAY! (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2011&wknd=24&p=.htm) it made less than X-Men: First Class's opening week and Super 8 still came in second.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Personally, I didn't think this movie too bad. Feels like they tried to fit a bit too much into the movie, but I could follow the plot & the interaction were somewhat feasible (I'm talking about person to person interaction, not the science).

(Well it had a more believable romance than Thor.)

At worst, it was a tad bland in bits. But at no point did it get so bad that I felt compelled to walk out. (Almost did this in the Ang Lee Hulk, wish I had.)

[POS Industries]

(Well it had a more believable romance than Thor.)
...and a happy ending for Hal Jordan and Carol Ferris is a thing that should basically never happen sooooooo

[MFD]

Yes. Totally believable. ( http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/06/topless_robot_presents_the_best_scenes_from_the_gr .php)

Also... a Star Sapphire movie would have been a better choice for a Hal Jordan movie.

[POS Industries]

Also... a Star Sapphire movie would have been a better choice for a Hal Jordan movie.
Because of the outfits, I guess?

[MFD]

Well also because fuck Parallax. Seriously.

But I mean, there is potential in a movie about star-crossed lovers.

It would be smaller stakes, but it could work. You would probably have to revamp the Star Sapphire concept and avoid mentioning the Indigo Lanterns (not that Hollywood has that self-control). And dump the whole masculine aspect of the Star Sapphire as Hal's romantic rival thing.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Is there anyone else that called bullshit on Hal handing over the ring and somehow taking it back with his brain? I'm pretty sure that anyone can wear a ring even if they don't have the willpower to use it effectively. When Hal handed over the ring and stopped the blast from coming at him I thought the reveal was gonna be that he had created a construct of the ring but instead of being something clever he just says, "You weren't chosen."

[Marc v4.0]

I actually assumed that, somehow, HE had created the blasts to reinforce the lie.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I actually assumed that, somehow, HE had created the blasts to reinforce the lie.

But if he could use the ring without wearing it then that would make his scramble to retrieve it from Hector's body even dumber.

[Fifthfiend]

I forget where I saw it said but I basically agree that if you're going to do a Hal Jordan movie you just do like, the J.J. Abrams version of Jim Kirk, but with superpowers.

If you HAVE to do an actual character arc with him, you just like, have him be too cocky and overconfident in a way that fucks things up real bad at some point, and then he learns the lesson that confidence and power don't have to be incompatible with humility and working with other people.

I mean I don't even like Hal Jordan, and I don't think I can in good conscience blame Hal Jordan for this movie purportedly sucking, because making a movie all about him doubting himself all over the place is just like, the dumbest thing you could possibly do with Hal Jordan.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I forget where I saw it said but I basically agree that if you're going to do a Hal Jordan movie you just do like, the J.J. Abrams version of Jim Kirk, but with superpowers.

If you HAVE to do an actual character arc with him, you just like, have him be too cocky and overconfident in a way that fucks things up real bad at some point, and then he learns the lesson that confidence and power don't have to be incompatible with humility and working with other people.

I mean I don't even like Hal Jordan, and I don't think I can in good conscience blame Hal Jordan for this movie purportedly sucking, because making a movie all about him doubting himself all over the place is just like, the dumbest thing you could possibly do with Hal Jordan.

Exactly. What you just said was right on the money. In this movie he was just... kind of a bitch. And that's not how he should have been. The guy ain't Peter Parker. He's not an emotionally deep character that needs to develop from fraidy cat to hero. If they were so set on using that arc they could have chosen a more appropriate character.

He didn't tank the movie (that was the bullshit that they called a plot) but he did weigh it down a bit more than a protagonist should.

And I really wanted to see the real Hal Jordan onscreen. But apparently a slightly conservative military man who doesn't take any bullshit isn't what people like to see anymore.

[Fifthfiend]

And I really wanted to see the real Hal Jordan onscreen. But apparently a slightly conservative military man who doesn't take any bullshit isn't what people like to see anymore.

In fairness, I wouldn't be bringing up AbramsKirk if Star Trek hadn't made a fuck ton of money, so it's not like brash, ballsy no-fucks heromen don't exist or can't succeed.

EDIT: Come to that, there's Iron Man, who's made two fuck tons of money now, so you can't even say that the audience for the superhero subgenre won't follow that kind of hero.

[Marc v4.0]

I'd like to see AbramsKirk with a Ring of Power, now that you bring it up..

Or Tony Stark, if you can find one that runs off of booze and being a lovable shithead

[Fifthfiend]

Movie Tony would actually work pretty well as a GL since if there's one thing he has it's willpower; at pretty much every point in those movies, whatever else you can say about him, he is super, super definite about whatever it is he is trying to do. Like when he's an arms dealer he's like AMERICA MOTHERFUCKERS ARMS4LYFE YEAH and then when he turns the other way he's like FUCK MAKIN WEAPONS YEAH ARC REACTOR and at all points he's pretty much no-fucks about what anyone else says about it or wants him to do.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

In fairness, I wouldn't be bringing up AbramsKirk if Star Trek hadn't made a fuck ton of money, so it's not like brash, ballsy no-fucks heromen don't exist or can't succeed.

EDIT: Come to that, there's Iron Man, who's made two fuck tons of money now, so you can't even say that the audience for the superhero subgenre won't follow that kind of hero.

I didn't mean that as a statement of my beliefs but how I thought the production team for this movie pissed away what made the character so great.

This movie did feel a lot more like Iron Man (I'm sure they meant it to) than I was expecting but with none of the same impact. Tony Stark was an instantly likable guy who had his flaws (some he worked towards fixing and others he didn't) whereas Hal in this movie never moved beyond being that one guy it'd be fun to have a drink with but never hang out with sober.

Let's look at Hal's character arc: he goes from being a cocky bastard who is secretly afraid of everything to a cocky bastard who has a much better game face and is now in charge of saving people's lives. The character never really evolved past his exterior. Throughout the movie I liked him but I still thought he was a dick.

[Marc v4.0]

Movie Tony would actually work pretty well as a GL since if there's one thing he has it's willpower; at pretty much every point in those movies, whatever else you can say about him, he is super, super definite about whatever it is he is trying to do. Like when he's an arms dealer he's like AMERICA MOTHERFUCKERS ARMS4LYFE YEAH and then when he turns the other way he's like FUCK MAKIN WEAPONS YEAH ARC REACTOR and at all points he's pretty much no-fucks about what anyone else says about it or wants him to do.

As I recall from my hazy reading up on GL, the Rings only works on "Pure" Willpower. So Willpower motivated by anger or hate or selfishness or whatever makes it a lot harder to form coherant constructs and brings massive fatigue on the user.

I'm not really sure if it would apply to Movie Tony, as his will seems to come from the overwhelming belief in his own awesomeness, which is actually supported by the world around him.

[MFD]

Dammit you guys. Now I want Amalgam movies. Particularly an Emerald Lantern movie starring RDJ.

EDIT: Or was it just Iron Lantern? I forget...

EDIT 2: Now I'm home and can look it up. Iron Lantern it is.

[Magus]

After reading this, I am convinced the satiric comedy version starring Jack Black is what should have been made. (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2011/06/exclusive-robert-smigel-on-his-lost-script-for-a-green-lantern-comedy-starring-jack-black.html)

I mean, seriously, using the ring to make a green Superman to turn back time for him while he lazes on a couch? Best thing ever.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Oh my god, this is amazing. (http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/green-lantern.html)