Major Ultimate Spider-Man spoiler alert

[The Sevenshot Kid]

"Hey look there's some spoil-y stuff after this!" -McT



So... Today Marvel killed laid Peter Parker from their Ultimate line down for his final rest. He earned it. Now, the Ultimate Spider-Man comics is the only series from Marvel that I bothered keeping up with and it's because of the great quality it managed to maintain over the years.

Well, after 160 issues Bendis actually did it. Peter Parker died and I'm not too sure we'll see him coming back any time within this decade. It was a good ending for the character but I really am sad that it happened. For years I've been reading about this guy developing into the hero that we're used to seeing and right when he had it all together it came crashing down.

I really want to hate Bendis for this but he wrote it well and he wrote it the right way. I can't say that I'll stop reading when they relaunch the series with a new person as Spider-Man because I really want to see what happens to all the characters after this. This is one of those moments where a character death really might change things.

If any of you have been reading the series or ever looked into it, please discuss.

[rpgdemon]

...SPOILER warning, dude.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

...SPOILER warning, dude.

There is no spoiler warning when the people in charge let out a press release the day before saying that they are killing the character.

[Krylo]

I give it a week.

[Fifthfiend]

Oh look Bendis killed a character.

...With his mask off, good to see things haven't changed.

...Good thing Bendis didn't do anything that might actually meaningfully affect the character, like, say, letting him graduate high school.

[Aerozord]

Oh look Bendis killed a character.

...With his mask off, good to see things haven't changed.

...Good thing Bendis didn't do anything that might actually meaningfully affect the character, like, say, letting him graduate high school.

but then the character would develop, cant have that

[The Sevenshot Kid]

but then the character would develop, cant have that

Whoa. Peter Parker developed. He may have been a little slow but the series doesn't take up much more than maybe two years of time. And the Peter Parker from the start of the series is significantly different than the one at the end of it.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

but then the character would develop, cant have that

Then Peter Parker might stop being miserable, and we absolutely can't have that.
That's part of the reason Marvel Adventures Spider-Man has been my favorite ever since it started up. Peter gets knocked around a bit, he has things to worry about and stuff to deal with, but the universe just isn't quite as obviously trying to wreck his life at every turn, as it has been for some other incarnations.

[Aerozord]

Whoa. Peter Parker developed. He may have been a little slow but the series doesn't take up much more than maybe two years of time. And the Peter Parker from the start of the series is significantly different than the one at the end of it.

development doesn't count when they slap the reset button and we see the same development five or six times.

Now I haven't read this particular run, but past experience leads me to believe he did not develop in any way that we haven't seen before

[The Sevenshot Kid]

development doesn't count when they slap the reset button and we see the same development five or six times.

Now I haven't read this particular run, but past experience leads me to believe he did not develop in any way that we haven't seen before

He went from a nervous kid with a habit of blaming himself for everything to a competent crime fighter with the support of his city (he even won Jameson over to his side) and finally got managed to minimize his massive guilt complex. Haven't seen that in any recent Spider-Man books.

[Aerozord]

He went from a nervous kid with a habit of blaming himself for everything to a competent crime fighter with the support of his city (he even won Jameson over to his side) and finally got managed to minimize his massive guilt complex. Haven't seen that in any recent Spider-Man books.

recent? perhaps not. In past comics, oh most certainly. Awkward to competent crime fighter is his thing. For example, whole reason he cracks one-liners is to hide how incredibly terrorfied he is at combating super powered serial killers. Come on guilt trip? He becomes a crime fighter specifically because of guilt. This isn't new this is original concept

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I'm saying that he got rid of his guilt complex. As a character, he was no longer defined by tragedy and things he couldn't do.

[Magus]

I'm glad to see that Marvel and DC are continuing their tradition of "create the extremely shocking death of a major character by telling everybody about it way before time and then bringing them back to life somehow or other" ala Superman, Batman, Jean Grey, Human Torch, The Flash, etc., etc.

[Krylo]

I'm saying that he got rid of his guilt complex. As a character, he was no longer defined by tragedy and things he couldn't do.

Wasn't that Spiderman 2? And 3 up until Gobby-Poo?

Edit: No wait, he was out of high school in Spiderman 2.

[Token]

There is no spoiler warning when the people in charge let out a press release the day before saying that they are killing the character.

Because everyone scours the fucking paper for any announcement Marvel might make.

[McTahr]

Yeah. Warnings like woah, yo.

I'm leaving the edit as is with terribly little information because it's specifically mentioned like a post down that a character is killed. If I give any more information to that point, it'll still be blatantly painfully obvious.

[Fifthfiend]

It would probably help if the thread title still mentioned that this pertains to Ultimate Comics Spider Man: The Death of Spider Man.

...I mean if you're trying to avoid knowing whether Spider-Man dies in The Death of Spider-Man, I would think you'd want to know that a thread pertains particularly to The Death of Spider-Man, so that you know not to read it in case anyone says whether Spider-Man dies in it.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

It would probably help if the thread title still mentioned that this pertains to Ultimate Comics Spider Man: The Death of Spider Man.

...I mean if you're trying to avoid knowing whether Spider-Man dies in The Death of Spider-Man, I would think you'd want to know that a thread pertains particularly to The Death of Spider-Man, so that you know not to read it in case anyone says whether Spider-Man dies in it.

This is sorta what bugs me. The arc is called The Death of Spider-Man! And it's been on the cover of like every Ultimate comic for months. And they've gone on the record multiple times stating the intention of the arc. If this were handled like it was in Fantastic Four then I could see a genuine grievance about a spoiler.

[Amake]

Well I'm extremely happy to look at this as the conclusion of the series. Bendis squeezed about all he could out of the character (upwards of ten times over if you want to be critical) and made a Spider-man with a beginning, middle and end. I think it's just the fact that the entire run had a single writer that makes it seem like a cohesive story, but it stands so far above anything and everything "regular" Spider-man has managed to accomplish is its 40+ years of publication it's almost sad.

Yeah I know it's not really ending, but I'll take what I can get. More comics need to have endings I always say.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Well I'm extremely happy to look at this as the conclusion of the series. Bendis squeezed about all he could out of the character (upwards of ten times over if you want to be critical) and made a Spider-man with a beginning, middle and end. I think it's just the fact that the entire run had a single writer that makes it seem like a cohesive story, but it stands so far above anything and everything "regular" Spider-man has managed to accomplish is its 40+ years of publication it's almost sad.

Yeah I know it's not really ending, but I'll take what I can get. More comics need to have endings I always say.

While I know this isn't the end of Ultimate Spider-Man, I think this could be the actual end of Peter Parker. I remember reading somewhere that Bendis wanted to continue on with the idea the Peter could serve as the Uncle Ben to someone else and have that perpetuate a whole line of Spider-Men.

I really hope that this leads to Johnny Storm or someone else close to Peter picking up the role.

[Fifthfiend]

This is sorta what bugs me. The arc is called The Death of Spider-Man! And it's been on the cover of like every Ultimate comic for months. And they've gone on the record multiple times stating the intention of the arc. If this were handled like it was in Fantastic Four then I could see a genuine grievance about a spoiler.

I totally should have said "Death of Spider-Man" seven or eight more times in that post.

[Fifthfiend]

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[Magus]

The way they decided to kill Spiderman is kind of lame. Not in some kind of ultimate battle with a Cyborg Kingpin fused with Dr. Octopus' tentacles fused with the Scorpion's acid tail fused with a symbiote and riding on Green Goblin's hoverboard, but instead accidentally shot in the back while trying to save Captain America.. Lame.

Of course, this allows them to later say he's just paralyzed for a while instead of killed or something, and the "death" is merely metaphorical, much like *[Batman R.I.P.] was for the death of Batman.

*Corrected for accuracy as to level of suckitude, with Knightfall and Batman R.I.P. located at opposite ends of the axis of suckitudidalness. Hint: Batman R.I.P. is at "sucks a whole ton" and Knightfall is at "doesn't suck, in fact it is pretty good".

[Fifthfiend]

In fairness to Knightfall, they didn't actually call it "Knightfalls and then dies in this comic about Batman, who dies".

[Magus]

True, true. Knightfall was way classier than these "death of [hero]" storylines.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

The way they decided to kill Spiderman is kind of lame. Not in some kind of ultimate battle with a Cyborg Kingpin fused with Dr. Octopus' tentacles fused with the Scorpion's acid tail fused with a symbiote and riding on Green Goblin's hoverboard, but instead accidentally shot in the back while trying to save Captain America.. Lame.

Of course, this allows them to later say he's just paralyzed for a while instead of killed or something, and the "death" is merely metaphorical, much like *[Batman R.I.P.] was for the death of Batman.

Dude. There was more than that. Right after that Peter wakes up and goes off to face the Sinister Six in his own neighborhood. Shit get real when he reveals himself to his neighbors during the brawl and Aunt May pops a cap in Electro. I can honestly say I didn't expect one of those things.

And you actually do see Peter die with a big smile on his face raving about how he's made up for Uncle Ben's death by saving Aunt May. And the moments that lead up to everything had some serious finality.

[Aerozord]

And you actually do see Peter die with a big smile on his face raving about how he's made up for Uncle Ben's death by saving Aunt May. And the moments that lead up to everything had some serious finality.

"Made up for" kind of goes against your earlier comment that Spider-man wasn't motivated by guilt anymore

[The Sevenshot Kid]

"Made up for" kind of goes against your earlier comment that Spider-man wasn't motivated by guilt anymore

It's a sort of complicated matter. He knew, and even said so while dying, that there was nothing he could do to save Uncle Ben but that he was happy just to be able to save her.

[Bard The 5th LW]

As scanned from cover page of Fear Itself: Deadpool (http://sadpanda.us/images/545215-K51DVFO.jpg)

Don't even need to follow the Ultimate series to know

[Kim]

Well, that was short-lived.

[Magus]

You know what, this gives me the greatest, most hilarious idea ever: Deadpool tries to be the new Spider-Man. Again.

Remember when he went back in time to the first issue of Spider-Man? Like that but trying for reals instead of just annoyed that he is in an old Spider-Man plotline.