Homestuck Mafia Thread

[Solid Snake]

HOMESTUCK MAFIA


How to Play:

1. Play to win. If you give up, I will seek a Replacement for you. If you actually begin sabotaging your faction's interests, act offensively, troll or flame people in a way that's unnecessarily ad hominem or complain about the rules, I will Modkill you if I have to.
2. In this game, 'Modkill' refers to actions I take to eliminate players who break the rules. It's just the technical term, you can call it 'Hostkill' if you want. Note that if you act in a way that violates NPF Forum rules, an actual NPF Moderator will take action. If an NPF Moderator bans you, I'll seek your Replacement or 'Modkill' you if you cannot be replaced.
3. Be active. If you are not sufficiently active, I will send you PMs. If you continue to be inactive, you will be replaced.
4. Check your PMs before posting at the beginning of every 'Day' period. Failing to take heed may get you Modkilled.
5. Metagame at your own risk. Sometimes Meta works out, sometimes it doesn't.
6. 'Days' last 96 hours. During 'Day' periods you may post normally and vote on lynches.
7. 'Nights' last 48 hours. During 'Night' periods those of you with nighttime activities need to take the necessary few minutes to log in and send me a PM indicating the action you'd like to take. You may NOT post in this topic during 'Night.'
8. If you have NOT joined this game in the signup topic: Please do not post here. (Exceptions are obviously made for Mods, who can certainly enforce the NPF rules at their leisure.)

During the Day:

1. 'Days' last a default time of 96 hours. I will periodically remind you of the approaching deadline. 'Days' will never last longer. Even if I'm not present, the 'Day' will end 96 hours after it began, and all votes tabulated or posts made after the 'Day' ends will not count.
2. Deliberately posting after 'Day' ends will get you Replaced or Modkilled. I'll accept a short 'grace' period because sometimes we make mistakes, but votes will never count if cast after the deadline. If you're still posting content long after 'Day' ends, expect consequences.
3. 'Day' may end before the 96 hour period passes. Whenever anyone has more than 50% of existing players on their lynch, day will automatically end early with the lynching of the player. Again, same rules apply here as with the 96 hour deadline; after more than 50% are on a lynch, you're not supposed to talk.
4. Do not edit your posts. Period. At all. For any reason.
5. Do not directly quote any correspondence between the player and the host. Exceptions of what you can quote and what you can paraphrase will be clearly delineated in our communications.
6: Do not communicate with each other outside the game regarding this topic, even after you've died. Exceptions are clearly delineated. Even if you fall under an exception, though, you may only communicate with your partners or teammates so long as you are alive.

Voting:

1: Here is how you vote: ##Vote: Playername. Your vote must be bolded to be valid.
2: Here is how you unvote: ##Unvote. You must unvote before placing a new vote (though you can unvote and place a new vote in the same post.) And again, you must bold your unvotes for them to count.
3: If you do not follow these rules, your votes will not count.
4: You may vote 'No Lynch' at any time by typing ##Vote: No Lynch. You unvote that option the same you'd unvote anything else. If the 'No Lynch' option achieves majority support or has the most votes at the end of the 'Day', there will be no lynch.
5: Lynching is plurality-based. If there are 10 players, it takes 6 to lynch. If there is no majority by the end of the Day, the player with the most votes gets lynched.
6: If there is a tie at the end of the day, we enter a Tiebreaker. No one may talk freely; only new votes or unvotes may be tabulated. The 'Day' does not end until the tie is broken.

Claiming:

1: I'm not sure why two of you seemed to believe this, but you are under no obligation to claim your flavor or your role. You've been given information to do so if you wish, and others may ask or demand information from you, but you may choose to do so strategically whenever you'd like.
2: Remember to paraphrase a description of your role. You may quote any information about your character written by Andrew Hussie, but nothing I've written to you myself, aside from your name and title. Directly quoting anything you shouldn't is a bannable offense.
3: I've relied on color-coding a fair deal in the PMs that describe your roles. You are free to post part or all of your claims in that color, but please do not color-code every post you write here. It'll quickly become nauseating for us to look at. (Having stared at the colors myself so long while writing those messages, I've already come to regret it.)
4: It is now public knowledge that all anti-town roles have access to a Safelist of characters they can claim. (They must still come up with their own Roles for these characters.)

Contacting Me:

You may contact me regarding technical questions as to how your own role functions and how the role of any teammate or partner functions. You may also contact me at 'Night' with a brief post indicating your nighttime action, if you have one.
You may NOT contact me to ask strategic questions about what you 'should' do, how other roles in the game work, complain about how much you hate your role, complain about how I've balanced the game, complain about how much you hate your teammates or opponents, etc. Save that discussion for the postgame topic. Talking about that now risks me inadvertently leaking important information, so I simply won't respond.

Cast List:

1. greed
2. Moogle0119
3. Ryanderman
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot
9. Mr. Bookworm
10. Thadius
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir
15. Sifright


You have all awoken in a poorly lit LABORATORY in THE VEIL, a large asteroid belt in the DARKNESS OF SPACE. You can hardly recognize anyone around you, but you suspect that there are POWERFUL ENEMIES in your midst.

You have until 10:45 PM EST on Saturday, July 23rd to hunt an opponent down. Yet if a MAJORITY of those marooned on the station with you AGREE to target a specific individual before then, you may TAKE ACTION accordingly.

With 15 Players Alive, it takes 8 Votes to Lynch

[Mr.Bookworm]

Random-ass guessing time!

First 4, then 13.

##Vote: Fenris

[Thadius]

##Vote: No Lynch

I'll just leave it at that.

[rpgdemon]

Hi. I'm John!

##vote: No lynch.

Dunno why we'd be even discussing killing someone right now. Shouldn't we be more concerned with figuring out what's going on?

[greed]

Demon and Thadius, it's a tradition to have random voting on day one.

##Vote: Sifright because I have no idea what his name references.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Based on the fact that no lynch is a vote which only helps scum I have the first two people on my mafia list being Thad and RPG.
##:Thad
Come on now, at least try to hide that you're scum.

[rpgdemon]

Mo' like, come on, try to learn2vote because Snake has explained that he will ignore your vote if you don't have it exactly how he asked. Meaning that you are trying not to lynch anyone, meaning that YOU are scum. First to point fingers, and all that, too.

A vote not to lynch just means that you don't end up killing off your own townspeople if you have no idea about anything.

##unvote

##vote: Smarty

[Professor Smarmiarty]

##vote:Thad

for ridiculous grammar shits.

Come on RPG. Either you're scum or you are being obtuse which is not helpful.
A first day no vote only helps the mafia. One of the towns major weapon is the lynch. If you don't use it you are giving mafia free reign to murder us. We are on a set timer before they murder us all. Not lynching just decreases the timer for us.;
You have to lynch randomly, we have no other option, if we don't lynch cause we might hit townsfolk mafia win because they kill someone every turn and they kno who they are aiming at.
There is a reason that no lynch is the classic mafia vote- because it only helps the mafia. You may hit townsfolk with lynch but you absolutely have to lynch every turn (except in extremely rare and crazy situations) because that is your way of fighting mafia and the odds in the lynch situation are better than the no lynch. Why? Because in the no lynch you have no good odds, you can't kill mafia and you are giving them a free turn and a free shot.
I'm still voting Thad because he did it first and is up to something and I think you might just be being dense but you're second on my scum list.

E:also I'm not sure if you'vr played mafia before. If you have you should absolutely know this and also know the consequences of no lynch vote which would mean you're up to something.

Re Thad Vote- Thad seems to be playing for a self-lynch, possibly has some sort of martyr role. And I'm playing into his hands but it's usually best to just do it cause we'll all tie ourselves into knots otherwise

[Solid Snake]

4. Do not edit your posts. Period. At all. For any reason.

This is a warning.

[Sifright]

Hi every one!! How did we all end up here?! Ohh ohh we're voting!?

##Vote:Rpgdemon

So what are we voting on? :confused:

[Fenris]

##Add: A tag to this thread

[Revising Ocelot]

Smarty appears to have knowledge of which only belongs to game constructs, not players. Attempting to play with, and possibly subvert the rules before we even know what type of predicament we've found ourselves in can only lead to glitches. And if you produce a Missingno glitch, it's a fragile line between procuring 100 Master Balls and permanently deleting your save file.

I see no other course than to lynch Smarty before he destroys us all. Breaking the rules is not a reprehensible action by itself, but it requires finesse, not a SORD of questionable alchemy.

##Vote: Smarty.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Or you know I read the rules.
Two players are actively pursuing actions that are known anti-town actions, that actively sabotage the town.
Why would we not vote for them?

[Revising Ocelot]

What town? We're in a laboratory in the middle of deep paradox space. No towns here, composed of cans or otherwise, and you are no Mayor. Who - or what - are your sources for this?

[Moogle0119]

##Vote: Revolving Ocelot

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but you're getting my vote for what seems like you arguing AGAINST lynching and claiming Smarty has outside knowledge of the game, when as far as I can tell it's just Mafia game common sense.

[P-Sleazy]

are the hashtags necessary to vote?

##VOTE: Lumenskir

[Inbred Chocobo]

My fellow countrymen, we must stop our evil oppressors who continue to throw rules and regulations in our face. These people must be accounted for their actions, for who are they to bring forth these, laws and, requirements for posting. Who are they to tell us what we can and cannot quote word for word, WHO are they to tell us that we need to bold votes! WHO ARE THEY THAT THEIR NAME CAN BE PINK! THEY! ARE! THE! ENEMY!

##Vote: Solid Snake

[Professor Smarmiarty]

IC you are starting a war we cannot win. Lay down your arms. We must hope for his love and not provoke his anger.

[Aldurin]

Clearly random murder is something everyone gets to participate in.

##Vote: Smarty Mc-whatever

He is obviously working against our interests.

[Lumenskir]

##Add: A tag to this thread
##Vote: Fenris, mostly because the tag thing is stupid and he could have just mod-given it a tag instead of being passive aggressive about it.
What town? We're in a laboratory in the middle of deep paradox space. No towns here, composed of cans or otherwise, and you are no Mayor. Who - or what - are your sources for this?
Playing the game in flavor/character? ##Unvote: Fenris, ##Mood: Ugh

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Clearly random murder is something everyone gets to participate in.

##Vote: Smarty Mc-whatever

He is obviously working against our interests.

Well considering I'm working against scum interests does that make you scum?

[Bard The 5th LW]

So confusing! I'm choosing at Random.

##Vote: Ryanderman

[Thadius]

(You brought this on yourselves. Especially Smarty.)

D --> I take e%ception to you all thinking I am scum. Honestly. What have I done? Nothing. What have others done? Nothing.

D --> Granted when something happens I will be all for a good old-fashioned lynch mob, especially if a victim is of b100 b100d. But until then I urge you all to sit down and be quiet.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The "nothing" that you have done is start to initiate a no lynch which is not infact nothing but it is something and a very bad something at that.

[Thadius]

D --> It is only the wisest course of action at this time. Along with generating conflict for me to pour endlessly over for later. Assuming I'm alive.

D --> Now if you'll pardon me, I have some anger to work out on my battlebots. Maybe these ones won't crumple like so much cardboard.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

It is only the wisest course of action if you are indeed scum. Which is my entire point.

[Thadius]

D --> And you wonder why I have anger issues. Every thing you say fills me with undying rage.

D --> Even your very presence annoys me.

D --> Even if you just stand there. Your breathing has this annoying nasally whistle to it.

D --> And yet I do not want to lynch you.

D --> YET.

[Lumenskir]

Even though Smarty is playing the "I'm so obviously pro-town anyone who disagrees with me is obviously anti-town" gambit to the tee, I'm going to ##Vote: Thadius because he is insisting on posting in character. I'll remove it once he stops, or we'll end up lynching someone who posts in [color=eyeblight], but either way win win.

[P-Sleazy]

best course of action, as proven time and time again, is to kill someone on day one. Going with a no lynch on day one gives us no hints whatsoever on day 2 as to who to go after. The mafia will just kill someone at night, the flavor text will not hint at anything, then we'll be like "well...we have no clues again, back to square one, but less people".

Admittedly, we'll have one less person on day 2 if we do lynch someone, we will atleast have a starting point if we lynch a scum on day 1, or if townie, see who was most gung-ho about killing or most complacent with just killing someone who wasn't mafia.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Even though Smarty is playing the "I'm so obviously pro-town anyone who disagrees with me is obviously anti-town" gambit to the tee, I'm going to ##Vote: Thadius because he is insisting on posting in character. I'll remove it once he stops, or we'll end up lynching someone who posts in [color=eyeblight], but either way win win.

It's not the gambit I'm playing. I'm playing the "These guys are advocating ridiculous scummy strategies" gambit. It got nothing to do with me, it got everythingg to do with going for no lynch on day one is stupid as fuck if you are town.

Also lynching Thad has secondary advantage of getting rid of annoying in character speaking.

[Thadius]

I'm perfectly willing to abandon the coloring when it suits me.

I'm also perfectly willing to change my ##Vote:Smartass McBarrelpants when it suits me.

[rpgdemon]

See, I have no idea about any of this. We don't get any clues in the flavor text, or anything? I was under the impression that we proceeded based off of those clues.

[rpgdemon]

Also, should we make an attempt at being in character? Does that matter?

[Moogle0119]

As far as flavor text in the night posts (by the GM), it's usually there but GENERALLY (there are exceptions) doesn't single any one person or poster out as being a certain role.

[Fenris]

Also, should we make an attempt at being in character? Does that matter?

It would make your role pretty obvious to anybody who's familiar with Homestuck, so I would refrain from doing so.

[Fenris]

##Vote: Fenris, mostly because the tag thing is stupid and he could have just mod-given it a tag instead of being passive aggressive about it.

I was trying to be funny. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-saddowns1.gif

[P-Sleazy]

Can't we all just agree that sarcasm funny doesn't work on discussion boards?

[Inbred Chocobo]

You know who hasn't posted? Ryanderman

##Vote: Ryanderman

An inactive player is useless for gathering information as they won't post at all, and its impossible to determine a role, which tends to be a good tactic for hiding if you are scum.

[Ryanderman]

I think less than twelve hours after the game has started is a little soon for playing the vote for the lurkers tactic. But I can see where you're coming from.

I'm going to have to agree with Smarty, though he's also giving me creepy scummy vibes. But giving up the one power the town as a whole has, even for just one day has been demonstrably proven to be a really bad idea in the past. And anyone advocating it is pretty suspicious in my book.

##Vote: Thadius

[Inbred Chocobo]

Um... game started on the 19th, that was 36 hours ago, not 12.

[Ryanderman]

Ha! Wow. That's pretty pathetic of me not to notice that.

Yeah, due to a series of miniature disasters, I haven't been able to check the game till this morning, and so didn't know it'd been up since Tuesday. Saw Snake posted the thread at 7:45 PM, and assumed it was last night. My mistake. And my apologies, you were right to use the lurker reasoning at this point.

[Aldurin]

It's no problem since the day duration is 96 hours and we have until Saturday to vote.

[Thadius]

And I would like to point out that I did drop the in-character speaking (for the moment) and DID vote to lynch Smarty.

So can people who voted to lynch me based on those things change that now? I'd really prefer to not be the first one to die in my first Mafia game.

[Ryanderman]

Changing your vote in reaction to people calling you out for acting suspcious doesn't change the fact the you acted suspicious.

[P-Sleazy]

I boil it down to "beginners luck". Sometimes you do awesome, but most times, you suck. This is not sometimes.

[Solid Snake]

Update:

[3] Smarty: rpgdemon, Revolving Ocelot, Aldurin
[2] Thadius: Smarty, Ryanderman
[1] Fenris: Bookworm, (Lumenskir)
[1] No Lynch: Thadius, (rpgdemon)
[1] Sifright: greed
[1] rpgdemon: Sifright
[1] Revolving Ocelot: Moogle0119
[1] Lumenskir: P-Sleazy
[1] Ryanderman: Inbred Chocobo

NOTE: A couple of your votes or revotes did not count. Most notably, make sure your formatting is correct and similarly, be sure to un-vote before you re-vote (unless your original vote was a joke vote on a non-player like Inbred Chocobo's on me, lol.)

[Lumenskir]

[1] Fenris: Bookworm, (Lumenskir)
Playing the game in flavor/character? ##Unvote: Fenris, ##Mood: Ugh
Uhh, RC much?

[Lumenskir]

Oops, hit post too soon.

I'm a man of my word, so ##Unvote: Thadius, and ##Vote:Let's Say P-Sleazy.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh wait, I see what I did wrong.

##Vote: Ryanderman

[Solid Snake]

Uhh, RC much?

Missed that latest vote of yours on the right-hand fringe there.
Still, I account for old votes in parentheses ( ), so that part was accurate.

Update:

[3] Smarty: rpgdemon, Revolving Ocelot, Aldurin
[2] Thadius: Smarty, (Lumenskir), Ryanderman
[2] Ryanderman: Inbred Chocobo, Bard the 5th LW
[1] Fenris: Bookworm, (Lumenskir)
[1] No Lynch: Thadius, (rpgdemon)
[1] Sifright: greed
[1] rpgdemon: Sifright
[1] Revolving Ocelot: Moogle0119
[1] Lumenskir: P-Sleazy
[1] P-Sleazy: Lumenskir

[rpgdemon]

NOTE: A couple of your votes or revotes did not count. Most notably, make sure your formatting is correct and similarly, be sure to un-vote before you re-vote (unless your original vote was a joke vote on a non-player like Inbred Chocobo's on me, lol.)

Why does that matter? I mean, if you know what they mean, and they know what they mean, why be all, "Well, you did it wrong"?

[rpgdemon]

Hit post too soon. Like, if there's some strategy to fake-voting, and I'm missing it, then let me know, but I dunno what the big deal is about formatting.

[Fenris]

I'm imagining that Snake is finding votes using the CTRL+F feature and including the hashtags makes it easier to find.

Otherwise the bold and the hashtags makes it stick out more amongst the blocks of text. I know I required people to include votes and unvotes on their own lines for just that purpose when I wanted a quick vote count.

[Thadius]

Oh okay.

##Unvote: No Lynch, ##Vote: Smarty

Of course, one would think that voting for lynching someone would by itself cancel a no-lynch vote...

[Mr.Bookworm]

##Unvote: Fenris

I really am not sure who to go for here, but as several people have said, we do need to lynch someone. So I'll go with ##Vote: Thadius.

[Solid Snake]

I'm imagining that Snake is finding votes using the CTRL+F feature and including the hashtags makes it easier to find.

Otherwise the bold and the hashtags makes it stick out more amongst the blocks of text. I know I required people to include votes and unvotes on their own lines for just that purpose when I wanted a quick vote count.

Yeah, it's intended to help me find votes easier (though as already noted, the system isn't foolproof), and also because a rule that's too broad might capture 'votes' people make that aren't actually intended to be votes, and requiring the hashtags and the bold font generally ensures that when you vote you mean it.

[P-Sleazy]

I protest!

I see no such player named "Let's say P-Sleazy". And seeing as that is not my name, I do not beleive Lumenskir correctly voted for anyone. Therefore, I request that this vote be removed off my name until such time when it is clear that the vote is on me, and not on "Lets Say P-Sleazy", whom-so-ever (s)he may be (and whom I assure you is most certainly is not me).

[Solid Snake]

I protest!

I see no such player named "Let's say P-Sleazy". And seeing as that is not my name, I do not beleive Lumenskir correctly voted for anyone. Therefore, I request that this vote be removed off my name until such time when it is clear that the vote is on me, and not on "Lets Say P-Sleazy", whom-so-ever (s)he may be (and whom I assure you is most certainly is not me).

I'm not going to be that anal about it. If you follow the format with the Bold and the Hashtags so I can Ctrl-F and it's obvious who you're voting for, I refuse to be so obsessive-compulsive as to deny Thadius his vote for calling Smarty 'Smartass', for example.

(Though that is ever-so-slightly dipping into the realm of unnecessary ad hominem, so all things being equal I'd try to stay away from that if you could.)

But no, despite how I may or may not sound, I am not trying to be the second coming of Stalin in enforcing rules here. No editing is very important, and the vote formatting is very important, most of the rest is less important.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

We have a lot of random voting going on right now. As far as I see it we have three people with any level of suspicious behaviour- not a lot of evidence but its day 1.
2 of them are RPG and Thad who I called out for no lynch voting
1 of them is me for being "suspicious in calling people out".
I think it would be a good idea to get a reasonable consensus on one of these candidates, even if its me, rather than just random voting everyone.
We have some evidence day 1 it's more than we normally have, we should use it.

Of the choices it's basically me or one of RPG/Thad.
On the second option I would be amenable to either of them but I'm with Thad at the moment just as the initiator.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Time for IC's analysis of the situation so far.

We have a couple of people voting no lynch in the beginning, and we got someone hellbent on bringing them to justice for their gross mis-deeds, Smarty. Most of their defense has been either someone not sure what to do and the other using roleplaying defense, going on about blood or something. Possible sign that people of royal blood are mafians and low-bloods the townies, unsure yet, depends on what people say. Smarty's last post is pushing hard for that lynch, and has positioned himself as one of our man possibilities of lynching, which feels like he is trying to be the nice guy "If you have to kill one of us, I volunteer" and then no one wants to kill him person, so a good defense move there. Doesn't seem warrented though so why did he say that?

Other things I've noticed in the thread is Bard has a total of 2 posts, both of which amount to being confused and not wanting to draw attention. Mr. Bookworm basically just jumped on a bandwagon for lynching Thadius, and commented that we have to lynch someone, might as well be him. Greed has been strangely quiet since his initial post, I imagine either because he just doesn't have input, is confused about the situation, or doesn't wish to draw attention to himself.

Strangely enough, another thing I've seen done in mafian games past is people joke and have fun in the beginning, as you make someone laugh and they will think a better thought about you, as even humor can be a good defense. Fenris had a little fun poking at the tag, though I'm not sure that would amount. Hell I'm guilty of that too, but make of that what you will.

After reading over the thread a couple times, I'm going with this

## Unvote: Ryanderman
## Vote: Bard

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm not volunteering for the lynch, I'm the vote leader and people ahve commented tht I give of scum vibes so I thought I had to put my name up there.
My subreason for pushing for a consensus on someone was that currentely I'm going to be lynched so I wanted people to consolidate their votes more and vote for 1 or 2 candidates which might still be me but hopefully will be someone else.
Just kicking up some activity really.

Your reasoning on Bard is pretty solid but he's not massively active around the rest of the forum so I don't know how much his posts are general inactivity and how much are sneaky scum intention hiding.

[greed]

Time for IC's analysis of the situation so far.

We have a couple of people voting no lynch in the beginning, and we got someone hellbent on bringing them to justice for their gross mis-deeds, Smarty. Most of their defense has been either someone not sure what to do and the other using roleplaying defense, going on about blood or something. Possible sign that people of royal blood are mafians and low-bloods the townies, unsure yet, depends on what people say. Smarty's last post is pushing hard for that lynch, and has positioned himself as one of our man possibilities of lynching, which feels like he is trying to be the nice guy "If you have to kill one of us, I volunteer" and then no one wants to kill him person, so a good defense move there. Doesn't seem warrented though so why did he say that?

Other things I've noticed in the thread is Bard has a total of 2 posts, both of which amount to being confused and not wanting to draw attention. Mr. Bookworm basically just jumped on a bandwagon for lynching Thadius, and commented that we have to lynch someone, might as well be him. Greed has been strangely quiet since his initial post, I imagine either because he just doesn't have input, is confused about the situation, or doesn't wish to draw attention to himself.

Strangely enough, another thing I've seen done in mafian games past is people joke and have fun in the beginning, as you make someone laugh and they will think a better thought about you, as even humor can be a good defense. Fenris had a little fun poking at the tag, though I'm not sure that would amount. Hell I'm guilty of that too, but make of that what you will.

After reading over the thread a couple times, I'm going with this

## Unvote: Ryanderman
## Vote: Bard

I'm trying to weigh up who to change my vote to, Thad, RPG, Smarty and Bard all seem like reasonable choices. Sifright was just a random day one pick.

Anyway,

## Unvote: Sifright
## Vote: Thadius

Let's see what shakes out.

[rpgdemon]

Notable(?): Fenris said that posting in character would point out your role to anyone familiar with Homestuck, and it's inadvisable. Would this be reason to believe that he's scum? Since I can really only think of DD, SS, CD, and the other Midnight Crew person (Maybe the Felt, too?) as a role that would really be obviously scum/obviously set in one role. Any of the other characters, I could see going either way.

[Bard The 5th LW]

What else was there to say? I just voted and decided to wait for the results.

[Fenris]

Notable(?): Fenris said that posting in character would point out your role to anyone familiar with Homestuck, and it's inadvisable. Would this be reason to believe that he's scum? Since I can really only think of DD, SS, CD, and the other Midnight Crew person (Maybe the Felt, too?) as a role that would really be obviously scum/obviously set in one role. Any of the other characters, I could see going either way.

Keep in mind that I have stated repeatedly that I am wholly unfamiliar with Homes and the sticking thereof.

[rpgdemon]

Well, I have no idea then.

I actually thought that I was really clever for that realization. :(

[Revising Ocelot]

He's clearly a closet reader.

Probably even ships.

[Mr.Bookworm]

So, day ends in 5 hours. We really need a lynch. If the majority is leaning towards Smarty, lets go with Smarty, and we can always kill Thadius tomorrow if he turns out to be a townie. ##Unvote: Thadius, ##Vote: Smarty. Need 3 more votes for a plurality by my count.

Also, Snake, uh.

1. 'Days' last a default time of 96 hours. I will periodically remind you of the approaching deadline. 'Days' will never last longer. Even if I'm not present, the 'Day' will end 96 hours after it began, and all votes tabulated or posts made after the 'Day' ends will not count.

That part would have been helpful.

[Solid Snake]

Psh, Bookworm forgot a rule while reminding me about a rule I forgot, I guess that cancels itself out.

Anyway, a little less than three hours before deadline.

[Solid Snake]

...Note to self: Don't end 'Days' on Saturday nights anymore.

[Solid Snake]

DAY HAS ENDED.

Update will be up momentarily.

[Solid Snake]

"We don't know anything just yet. I'd rather not kill anyone," a voice cried out in the darkness.

"I concur," said another voice.

This answer did not please Smarty. "We have to take action and kill someone," he said.

"Sure," came the collective response, from several in the crowd. "So long as that someone is you."

Yet as the masses in the laboratory advanced on Smarty, a MYSTERIOUS FORCE INTERVENED and caused them all to stumble and trip on themselves. Everyone proceeded to spend the rest of the day FALLING DOWN A NEVER-ENDING FLIGHT OF STAIRS.


NO ONE HAS DIED TODAY.

Final Tally:

[5] Smarty: rpgdemon, Revolving Ocelot, Aldurin, Thadius, Bookworm
[3] Thadius: Smarty, (Lumenskir), Ryanderman, (Bookworm), greed
[1] Ryanderman: (Inbred Chocobo), Bard the 5th LW
[1] rpgdemon: Sifright
[1] Revolving Ocelot: Moogle0119
[1] Lumenskir: P-Sleazy
[1] P-Sleazy: Lumenskir
[1] Bard the 5th LW: Inbred Chocobo
[0] Fenris: (Bookworm), (Lumenskir)
[0] No Lynch: (Thadius), (rpgdemon)
[0] Sifright: (greed)

It is now NIGHT. Night will last 48 hours.
Please submit all nighttime actions to me via PM.
You may also submit technical questions regarding your actions and how they work, but not strategic questions regarding what you *should* or *should not* do with them.

You may not post in this topic until 11:30pm, Monday the 25th EST.
At that point 'Day 2' will begin. If you do not submit your actions by 11:10pm on Monday, you will have forfeited your ability to act 'tonight'.

[Solid Snake]

You guys have a little more than 7 hours left to get in your actions.

[Solid Snake]

'Day 2' will start momentarily.

[Solid Snake]

DAY TWO

As everyone awoke from a nighttime's slumber after tumbling down a seemingly endless flight of stairs, it was quickly noticed that one of the fifteen survivors in the laboratory had perished some time after the fall.

The message "I HATE YOU ALL" had been scribbled in cherry-red blood next to the corpse. No one could tell whether the message had been written by the victim or the murderer; he always the kind of man who feigned hostility where none existed, and pretended to despise those he secretly cared for and admired. Sadly, the young troll would never have the chance to tell his friends how he truly felt. Nor would he have the opportunity to wreak vengeance upon his enemies.

Many terrible romantic comedies would be watched today in his honor. Yet upcoming days would still feel so barren and empty without a barrage of insults shouted mercilessly from the Knight of Blood.

GOODBYE, IDIOTS.

greed has DIED. He was Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla.


Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
3. Ryanderman
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot
9. Mr. Bookworm
10. Thadius
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir
15. Sifright

The Dead:

[N1] greed: Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla

You now have until 11:45pm on Friday, July 29th to agree on a lynch.
With 14 alive, it takes a majority of 8 to lynch.

[Fenris]

...Septuple posting?

Whelp, time to go look through day one and see what turns up.

[Bard The 5th LW]

He died the way he lived.

[P-Sleazy]

and how was that?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Angry

[Mr.Bookworm]

This does confirm one thing I was wondering, though, that there's not an SK, since only one person got killed.

Now to wait for someone else to start a Vote movement so I can bandwagon and then get accused of being scum wheeeeee.

[rpgdemon]

Right now P-Sleazy is on top of my list, followed by Mr. Bookworm, but in all honesty, I have no idea.

This is hard.

[Bard The 5th LW]

This does confirm one thing I was wondering, though, that there's not an SK, since only one person got killed.

Now to wait for someone else to start a Vote movement so I can bandwagon and then get accused of being scum wheeeeee.

Not sure what an SK is, but I'd say it doesn't confirm anything. Maybe they just chose not to kill a second person!

[Fenris]

Not sure what an SK is, but I'd say it doesn't confirm anything. Maybe they just chose not to kill a second person!

SK stands for Serial Killer.

They're self-aligned, and their victory objective is to be the last one standing.

[rpgdemon]

Two things:

1) What is an SK?

2) BARD IS TEH SK.

[Thadius]

##Vote: Sifright

There's a method to my madness. I think.

[rpgdemon]

What is the method? The fact that you say nothing kind of makes me think your method is just, "Point blame at Sif and hope that people go with it". It'd be nice if you gave us a reason.

So! The other people who I thought were suspicious are totally off the hook for now.

##vote Thadius

[Thadius]

Look, I can TRY to explain the reasoning behind my method, but it won't work. Hell, I can't even properly understand it half the time.

All I know is, in some crazy way, Sifright is responsible.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'd like an explanation. I'm not going to just "take your word for it."

[Thadius]

Let me try then. Before he voted for me, Greed voted for Sifright. I'm fairly sure Greed only changed his vote to me to try and help reach a majority consensus, which at the time was split between me and Smarty. And then he died.

Now while I will ADMIT that it looks mighty damn suspicious on MY part to have someone who voted for me die, I am not a petty or vengeful person. I'm trying to play this intelligently and NOT immediately lynch everyone who votes for me. Instead, I'm going to try and have the person Greed originally voted for be lynched.

In fact, it's probably the Mafia trying to cast suspicion on me by having someone who voted FOR me lynched, making you all think that I am scum.

[greed]

Argh night one death. This sucks. GO TOWN!

[Revising Ocelot]

Whilst we should all mourn the death of greed/Karkat, shambling corpses shouldn't be shambling and posting. More lying down and decomposing, really.

Also, I'm no longer posting in character, but there's barely any difference regardless.

Will see how the posts pan out first before voting, even though Thadius is clearly the Godfather and Smarty his vicious backstabbing accomplice.

[Fenris]

In fact, it's probably the Mafia trying to cast suspicion on me by having someone who voted FOR me lynched, making you all think that I am scum.

Classic WIFOM there, Thad.

[rpgdemon]

WIFOM?

Why yes, I could google these terms, if I wasn't so lazy.

[Fenris]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM

[P-Sleazy]

I enjoyed watching the princess Bride again. Thanks Fenris!

[Inbred Chocobo]

So um... what mysterious force protected Smarty from a lynch? Seems oddball, but I have a feeling its something Smarty knew about due to the fact that well, he didn't mind being lynched. It may not be repeatable, but that would mean possibly be wasting another lynch trying to get him, so I would rather pursue other targets.

Thadius, I am just not sure about, his logic is weird, but then again he words things weirdly in other things, so its hard to tell if he is haming it up or really is thinking that is a good move. rpgdemon is so new its not even funny anymore. Mr Bookworm, well he made a post and I read it but that is about all I got from it. Right now I'm not really sure if anything brought anything up, as I can't really tell a motivation for killing greed, it just feels like a dart thrown at a dartboard kind of kill rather than something picked because they didn't want him talking. I'm going to stick to my guns and keep voting

##Vote: Bard

Reasoning is that after being called out being quite and ninja-like, he is now all up in posting, with being angry, saying night didn't confirm anything, and then making Thadius explain himself. It feels like he is trying to stay on top of posting and have more posts than normal. Maybe a good reason, maybe not, but I'm liking it so its where my vote goes for now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I said the night didn't necessarily confirm the presence of a Serial Killer, and I wasn't toally sure what the SK was at the time. Now that I got an understanding of it, I'd agree that there likely isn't one.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Been over the night post, couldn't find any hidden clues.
Hard to conclude much about the rules running around, their could have been kills prevented by some kind of bodyguard but just not mentioned, their could be masons. But based ont he small size of the game and lack of any other mention we are potentially just dealing with mafia.

Time for voting
##vote : Bard
I'm liking IC's reasoning.
I would also be behind a Thad lynch for both suspiciousness and general weirdiness but I could see the possibility that Thad is just being weird whereas Bard there is somewhat a stronger case.

[Sifright]

##vote:Thadius
I fully expect Thadius to be part of the scum.

[Ryanderman]

I have to disagree with IC and Smarty; I think the case against Thad is somewhat stronger than against Bard. Thadius has acted suspiciously two days in a row now, employing two different classic mafia tactics. There's a chance he's just being clumsy/innocent, but I much more strongly suspect clumsy/scummy.

##Vote: Thadius

[P-Sleazy]

Soooo....what it seems to boil down to is Bard or Thad. Of the two, both seem to be making dumb first-timer mistakes. Thad moreso.

IC can't decide between the two but rests on Bard which, Smarty seems to be "going with the flow" and votes Bard.

Then we have the other two goods voting for Thadius. Sifright and Ryanderman. Of the two, Sifright simply says he doesn't like Thadius and thinks he's scummy. Ok. Then Ryanderman pops in and seems to make more of a case than Sifright on Thadius. Albeit, that case is "Well...I see IC's logic on both, but I don't agree with his conclusion".

As such, I'm going to

##VOTE: Sifright

He seems all too keen to vote for Thadius given that Smarty is willing to vote for whomever is of the two.

I also reserve an #FOS: Ryanderman

Because he may be trying to help swing Smarty's opinion away from Bard.

Which leaves me with a final

FOS: BARD, THAD

Guys, stop being reactionary and start being more proactive. We'll never get anywhere if all you do is answer questions posed to you. We need you guys to ask the questions. Research peoples actions. And finally, quite being so worried. Uncle Sleazy will make sure that first time players will get their due defense from a more experienced player.

[rpgdemon]

Yeah, you're still up there on my list of people who I don't trust. For one, you completely ignored my reasonings against Thadius, which prompted Sifright's reaction against him as well.

In fact, you completely ignored me in general, when I had what I think was a pretty decent argument against him, as well as mild suspicions against you and I forget who else and the thing below doesn't go that far back. And on top of that, you're trying to win over new players to trust and believe in you, whereas, while I'm a new player, I'm pretty sure the right attitude for a scum to take would be that path. If you get people thinking you're a good guy who will watch out for them, then they'll not vote you, despite being the scummiest scum around.

So.
##unvote: Thadius

##vote: P-Sleazy.

[Lumenskir]

I'm gonna ##Vote: Revolving Ocelot. 'Randomly' started a vote train on Smarty and then offered nothing of substance the rest of Day 1, and then doesn't offer a vote or anything of substance except hints that Smarty should be lynched again, which hints at him either knowing Smarty is Town or a desire to potentially waste another lynch on an unlynchable.

Voting to see whether he'll go back into lurking or actually interact.

[rpgdemon]

I think we ought to list out who we think are acting scummiest right now, just so that we can have a comprehensive list.

Like, each person adding to the list just copy/pastas the previous guy's bit, then adds theirs. See where the overlap is, and consolidate votes, so that we don't end up all choosing a different member of the scum to go for, and so that if we all end up having found someone scummy, we have it all listed out, in case we get killed off.


RPGDemon's list:
-1) P-Sleazy: He is trying to make a bid to make new players feel safe around him, and as if they need him around to stay protected. It almost worked on me, before I caught myself wondering why I ought to trust him more than anyone else. Also, his first post since the killing was just filler saying something, but ultimately nothing. At least Bard's was funny/a setup for a joke, which casts my suspicion away from him.

-2) Thadius: His original bid to kill someone was just, "I have my reasons. I can't explain my reasons. I just have them." And he voted no lynch the first time. (Admittedly a strike against me as well, but I was just following his lead, since I have no idea what's going on.)

-3) Mr. Bookworm: Either trying to cast suspicion away from himself by going, "But you'll all totally lynch me anyways.", or just bitter and hates us all.

[Revising Ocelot]

I'm gonna ##Vote: Revolving Ocelot. 'Randomly' started a vote train on Smarty and then offered nothing of substance the rest of Day 1, and then doesn't offer a vote or anything of substance except hints that Smarty should be lynched again, which hints at him either knowing Smarty is Town or a desire to potentially waste another lynch on an unlynchable.

Voting to see whether he'll go back into lurking or actually interact.

Don't see a need to interact when it's unnecessary. When I voted Smarty, I was being stupid and acting in-character. Granted, I still don't trust him, but saying that my cause to vote him was 'Random', with quotation marks to hint that it's not actually random, throws far more suspicion on you now. Sounds to me that you want to protect him by trying to divert my vote. And why would I vote for someone "I know is Town" when he was dangerously close to being the actual lynch victim? You're just making him look worse by defending him. The townies don't know who else are townies, but the Scum definitely know who else are Scum.

[P-Sleazy]

Yeah, you're still up there on my list of people who I don't trust. For one, you completely ignored my reasonings against Thadius, which prompted Sifright's reaction against him as well.

In fact, you completely ignored me in general, when I had what I think was a pretty decent argument against him, as well as mild suspicions against you and I forget who else and the thing below doesn't go that far back. And on top of that, you're trying to win over new players to trust and believe in you, whereas, while I'm a new player, I'm pretty sure the right attitude for a scum to take would be that path. If you get people thinking you're a good guy who will watch out for them, then they'll not vote you, despite being the scummiest scum around.

So.
##unvote: Thadius

##vote: P-Sleazy.

All I'm saying is I don't want newbies getting lynched because of "newb mistakes". I feel like those kinds of tyrades and lynch wagons usually end poorly, as in, town deaths. They're also a convenient way for the mafia to sit back, not do anything and watch the town kill themsevles.

As far as your reasonings for thadius go, they're fine. But I didn't see that as much more than "oh boy! I can vote. Lets vote!" proceeds voting. Which if you apply your reasoning to it, and take into account he's a first timer, it goes back to the above point. Town killing town on wild witch hunts because the newbies don't know what they're doing. His behavior is to loose for him to be a first time mafia. Usually, if you're mafia, you try to stay quiet and take cues from your other mafiates before making a move yourself. Which, he had none.

Now, as for your reasons against me, I've reviewed all your posts and my "ignoring you" has simply been, because I didn't know what I did nor did you say what made me suspicions until now. Right now P-Sleazy is on top of my list, followed by Mr. Bookworm, but in all honesty, I have no idea. Thats what I had to work off of, So please forgive me for ignoring your suspicions against me.

For ignoring your vote against Thadius, I missed it. Simple as that. I was looking at IC's post downwards when writing my previous post. But looking back at your vote against Thad, your vote agaisnt him looks more as a "I'm a vote for you until you explain yourself". Which makes it a pretty flimsy vote in terms of essense. Your vote against me, has alot more girth to it, making it stronger than what you had against Thad, and in my humble opinion, stronger than anyones votes against Thad.

Also, you'll notice that I am indeed voting for Sifright, another first time player.

[rpgdemon]

Even so, your post comes off as, "Hey new people, if I die, you're all going to get witch hunted and killed off!". You're trying to keep yourself alive by making new players fear a town without you, rather than by actually being a boon.

You're going out of your way to make new players trust you above all else, since you'll protect them, which seems really suspicious to me.

[P-Sleazy]

I'm not trying to make the new people fear a town without me. I'm trying to remind people, particularly experienced players, that they should take that (the inexperience of players) into account and not just write it off when considering certain players actions. Which I don't feel like they have.

And I'm not trying to get them to trust me by protecting them. I'm providing them with a defense from more experienced players which, especially on their own, they may not be able to adequately do on their own if its their first game. I'm merely trying to give them a chance to enjoy the game and not feel like "well, this is what its like to play? to get gang-banged by all the experienced players?" and then not want to play again. I'm sure you'd appreciate the same kind of consideration from atleast ONE player if you were in Thad's or Bard's shoes. Would you not?

[rpgdemon]

Not from someone who's acting suspiciously.

I'm a new player as well, but I didn't see you jumping in on my account when I followed Thadius's lead of not voting, in the beginning of the game.

Not that I have any proof for you guys, but I'm a townie. And I'm being undefended by you. You can't have a defense for not defending all the new players of knowing that Bard and Thadius are townies, since it's impossible to know that, unless you're scum. Your preferences, however, could be logically made, if you had knowledge that Bard and Thad are scum, if you're scum.

The only reason that you'd pick certain new players to defend, and ignore others, would be if you had scummy knowledge. Even if I weren't a townie, your actions would still be defensible, because you could be picking people who you would know are innocent to defend, they know they're innocent, and then you look good for defending them.

[P-Sleazy]

Not from someone who's acting suspiciously.

I'm a new player as well, but I didn't see you jumping in on my account when I followed Thadius's lead of not voting, in the beginning of the game.

Not that I have any proof for you guys, but I'm a townie. And I'm being undefended by you. You can't have a defense for not defending all the new players of knowing that Bard and Thadius are townies, since it's impossible to know that, unless you're scum. Your preferences, however, could be logically made, if you had knowledge that Bard and Thad are scum, if you're scum.

The only reason that you'd pick certain new players to defend, and ignore others, would be if you had scummy knowledge. Even if I weren't a townie, your actions would still be defensible, because you could be picking people who you would know are innocent to defend, they know they're innocent, and then you look good for defending them.

Or it could be that I didn't attack anyone for voting no lynch. But rather made the comment that voting no lynch is a very bad move to inform you guys of that and moved on with the game, taking everyone's no lynch as if it hadn't happened. Considering most everyone moved away, there was no reason to defend you about that.

What am I supposed to be defending you from?

So you're saying that both Bard and Thadius are scum because I'm defending them? Both town and hope they'll rally beside me in my call to vote sifright? I think not. I've given them both one post, the same post infact, to point out flaws in other peoples votes on them, and why I disagree with thier votes.

I then made the comment that uncle sleazy will give them some kind of defense so they're not just like "well, crap, what do I do now?"

[Sifright]

Err i'm hardly a first time mafia player maybe on this forum but...

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm going to say that I don't like the reason that IC is using to throw the finger of suspicion at me with. Primarily it seems to be the amount of posting I've done, but that same reasoning could be use against others. I posted just as much as Sifright did, and more so than Aldurin whom I don't think has posted more than once. I'm with-holding a vote for the moment being, but I'll look trough the thread and find one probably by the end of the (RL) day.

[Thadius]

I'm new to this whole shebang, plus I'm sarcastic as fuck all and more trope-savvy than I should be.

Also sleep deprived.

Go away. Sleepy.

Leave the innocent towny to his nap.

[Lumenskir]

Don't see a need to interact when it's unnecessary.
What do you deem to be unneccesary? Yours was the first vote that led to Smarty's lynching, it might have behooved you to either explain why you were keeping your vote where it was or else to change it for some reason. Throwing out a vote and then slinking back looks a lot like trying to hide out of sight (I'll come back to this point later...)
1)Granted, I still don't trust him, but saying that my cause to vote him was 'Random', with quotation marks to hint that it's not actually random, 2) throws far more suspicion on you now.
1) Why don't you interact with us by pointing how why you don't trust him so we can get a discussion going, rather than lurking?
2) How's that now?
Sounds to me that you want to protect him by trying to divert my vote.
Here's what we know about Smarty: He had enough votes to be lynched, he was lynched, and he didn't die. I don't know if he's Town or Scum, but being cautious I have to assume he's at the very least unlynchable. Assuming that, voting for Smarty for is basically voting for a no-lynch. Sure, he could have just had a one-shot unlynchability role, but I don't really feel like going down a path where we waste another...

Actually, before I forget I'm going to throw out a FOS: Smarty. For someone who railed against no-lynch votes, he accepted and encouraged his own lynching which he knew would result in...a no-lynch. I guess the possibility exists he wasn't made aware of how his role works, or it might be random, but odds are he knew he was unlynchable.

Anyways, like I said I wanted to see if you would continue lurking or actually interact. I'll ##Unvote: Revolving Ocelot you for now, but leave you with an FOS since you haven't really assuaged my doubts that you're trying to stay below the radar. Speaking of which...
Aldurin whom I don't think has posted more than once.
He's actually posted twice: Once to join in on the Smarty bandwagon, and then once again to elucidate on how many hours were left in the Day. I'm going to ##Vote: Aldurin then for lurking, especially since it seems he's reading and keeping track of the game (to the point where he can quickly answer a question about time limits) but hasn't done anything else other than contribute to lynching someone with no explanation.

[rpgdemon]

What does FOS mean?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Finger of Suspicion I presume

[Revising Ocelot]

I'm moderately sure the lynch on Smarty failed due to lack of votes, not unlynchability. Needed 6 for the first day for a lynch, and he got 5.

[Moogle0119]

I'm gonna have to....

## Vote: Thadius

For participating in the lynch against Smarty yesterday because he was pointing out how a no lunch is a bad idea and had voted against him. There's also the point that he's had more than a couple of posts so far that were either cryptic in either his reasoning or acting in-character. As of right now he's tgiving off the biggest scum vibes.

[Thadius]

Hey. Hey.

Moooooogle.

Yeah you.

Were I of sound mind I wouldn't even think of posting this. But when has that been true ever?

Anyways.

A newbie to mafia starting a lynch vote and NOT looking suspicious seemed as likely to me as pigs growing wings. I also hadn't wanted to lynch anyone. But then I realized a thread without Smarty would be a better thread overall.

So yeah. Explanation for my moves there. Now I'm operating on crazy logic. It's like drunk logic but with less booze.

[Aldurin]

He's actually posted twice: Once to join in on the Smarty bandwagon, and then once again to elucidate on how many hours were left in the Day. I'm going to ##Vote: Aldurin then for lurking, especially since it seems he's reading and keeping track of the game (to the point where he can quickly answer a question about time limits) but hasn't done anything else other than contribute to lynching someone with no explanation.

Fuck you, I've been busy with the job getting and this is seriously throwing me for a loop because what the hell is going on here? I'm basically seeing various names and iterations of scum being thrown around.

##Vote: Lumenskir, because fuck you.

[Moogle0119]

Or you're just trying to recover by blaming lack of sleep and operating on "crazy logic".

[Thadius]

Nah. This is me being honest and sleep deprived all at once. It's weird. Normally to recover from being honest I'd go scam some little old ladies out of their money, but right now all I can seem to do is poke the screen. Like I actually expect my finger will go through the glass and touch your icon.

I seem to poke things a lot when I'm sleep deprived.

[Moogle0119]

Sorry, I'm not buying the sleep deprived argument when you've replied pretty quickly to my last two posts and instead could be asleep. Plus you mentioned that you were going to go take a nap a couple of hours ago and yet you're still on here reading these posts and responding.

[rpgdemon]

So, by my count, the votes stand at:

Silfright - 1 Thadius
Bard - 2 IC, Smarty
Thadius - 4 Silfright, Rynderman, P-Sleazy, Moogle, (RPGDemon)
P-Sleazy - 1 RPGDemon
RO - 0 (Lumenskir)
Aldurin - 1 Lumenskir
Lumenskir - 1 Aldurin

Since I have Thadius on my list, and P-Sleazy is apparently not getting voted for, I'm going to switch my vote to be effective.

##Unvote: P-Sleazy

##Vote: Thadius

[P-Sleazy]

So, by my count, the votes stand at:

Silfright - 1 Thadius
Bard - 2 IC, Smarty
Thadius - 4 Silfright, Rynderman, P-Sleazy, Moogle, (RPGDemon)
P-Sleazy - 1 RPGDemon
RO - 0 (Lumenskir)
Aldurin - 1 Lumenskir
Lumenskir - 1 Aldurin


I contest your vote count. When did I vote for Thadius? I only suspicioned (sp?) him. My vote was on Sifright (whom you also mispelled).

As it stands the ACTUAL vote count is:

Silfright - 2 Thadius, P-Sleazy
Bard - 2 IC, Smarty
Thadius - 4 Silfright, Rynderman, Moogle, RPGDemon
Aldurin - 1 Lumenskir
Lumenskir - 1 Aldurin

[rpgdemon]

Huh. Dunno where I got Thadius out of that. Maybe I saw the bolded FOS and assumed it was the vote?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Fuck you, I've been busy with the job getting and this is seriously throwing me for a loop because what the hell is going on here? I'm basically seeing various names and iterations of scum being thrown around.

##Vote: Lumenskir, because fuck you.

Voting for a guy because he voted for you seems a bit counterproductive.

[Lumenskir]

I'm moderately sure the lynch on Smarty failed due to lack of votes, not unlynchability. Needed 6 for the first day for a lynch, and he got 5.
Nope. From the first page rules...
5: Lynching is plurality-based. If there are 10 players, it takes 6 to lynch. If there is no majority by the end of the Day, the player with the most votes gets lynched.
6: If there is a tie at the end of the day, we enter a Tiebreaker. No one may talk freely; only new votes or unvotes may be tabulated. The 'Day' does not end until the tie is broken.
A lynch (or no-lynch) will occur every Day. Smarty survived his lynching. I don't know if he's Town or Scum, but I do know something: Voting for him or trying to get others to consider voting for him is either reckless (you're betting the town's only weapon on the possibility that the unlynchability was one-shot) or anti-town (you're betting that he won't be lynched and the town will have wasted its only weapon, again). Smarty falls under the "Getting people to consider voting Smarty even though he knew it would be effectively a no-lynch."

Which do you fall under?
Voting for a guy because he voted for you seems a bit counterproductive.
I don't know if I'd go that far (seeing as it would be hypocritical of me since I did it yesterday), but I will say that Aldurin's response of "Lay off, I'm not paying attention to the game, here's a fuck you Vote" isn't very inspiring for the 'not a (benign) lurker' thought.

[Fenris]

Voting for a guy because he voted for you seems a bit counterproductive.

There's a term for it that gets tossed around when it happens.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck

But let's be honest here, as far as voting reasons go it's at least more sensical than whatever Thad's up to.

[Revising Ocelot]

I don't understand you Lumenskir. I thought those rules meant >50% of votes must be for one person or lynch fails, he didn't have 50%.

Then again I'm a fucking retard in everything I do.

Just vote for me because I'm stupid, rather than dancing around my inferior intellect. No sarcasm. I'm not scum but I may as well be. I shouldn't even be in this bloody contest. Stupid bloody retard. Doesn't deserve to live. If I'm not lynched then the mafia should hang me tonight.

[Fenris]

Holy shit, what?

[Fenris]

Revolving banned as per his own request.

Carry on.

[P-Sleazy]

Soooo...Yea guys.
Its Friday, Friday.
We gonna get down on Friday.
Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.
Friday Friday.
Gettin down on Friday.

Yesterday was Thursday. Thursday.
Today i-is Friday.
We-we-we so excited.
We so excited.
We gonna have a ball today.

And tomorrow is Saturday.
And Sunday comes After...wards.
I think I want my lyrics to make more sense.

So yea. Lets get some activity here shall we?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Ok I been a bit behind but time for a catchup.
There is a lot of creative historical interpretation going on by Lumen here.
I didn't encourage my own lynching. I was actively against it. I was fighting to get Thad lynched. I only mentioned my name to avoid the creative historicising you are freely engaging in.
What would I gain encouraging my own lynch if I was town or if I was scum? Nothing. I in no way wanted to be lynched and I said that multiple times in my thread.
It is not my fault I got lynchtrained by 4 people-suspiciously a common mafia number. None of the rest of you were willing to engage in debate, you just threw out random votes and shit happened. I was trying to encourage active debate and a consensus on lynching but it failed because none of you guys were willing to vote for reasons instead engaging in random votes.
If the rest of the town had backed me up I wouldn't have been lynched. I took a gamble on the town and I lost. That is not encouraging my own lynch.
##Unvote: Bard
##Vote:Thad
I think we already have alynch number but just in case. Mostly cause I wanted to do this yesterday and also I don't understand most of Thad's posts.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Yeah, we need to lynch someone, and rather than have the votes split up on a lot of different targets, I'm going to go ahead and

##Unvote: Bard
#Vote: That

As his actions are crazy, but this is probably not going to end the way we think it will. I'm not sure where Revolving got that thing to come out of, and I don't think I want to know.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Since Thad seems suspect to me, and there is already a band wagon rolling, I'm going to throw my lot in while there's still time.

##Vote: Thadius

[Fenris]

Since Thad seems suspect to me

##Vote: Thadius

Voting for a guy because he voted for you seems a bit counterproductive.

Totes.

[Fenris]

ITT I can't read.

Misread Bard's first post I quoted there as "Since Thad seems to suspect me"

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I totally did too to be fair.

[Solid Snake]

Confused re: everything going on with Revolving Ocelot. Was he real-banned or fake-banned? And if he's giving up, he should be replaced or, in the worst case scenario, modkilled.

Anyway day ends tonight.

[Fenris]

Confused re: everything going on with Revolving Ocelot. Was he real-banned or fake-banned? And if he's giving up, he should be replaced or, in the worst case scenario, modkilled.

Anyway day ends tonight.

Real banned for 3 days. Optimal GM action is to replace him.

[Solid Snake]

Real banned for 3 days. Optimal GM action is to replace him.

Oh. Well, I hope he did something to merit the offense.
Anyway, day will end normally and I will begin seeking a replacement. Announcements may be delayed as I do not currently have computer access and am relying on an iPhone.

[Fenris]

Revolving banned as per his own request.

Carry on.
.

[Solid Snake]

I don't have time to include flavor text tonight, but I'll include flavor text for today's lynching in my update for the beginning of D3.

Thadius has BEEN LYNCHED. He was Equius Zahhak, TOWN (Strong) Vanilla.

Votes:

[6] Thadius: (rpgdemon), Sifright, Ryanderman, Moogle0119, Smarty, Inbred Chocobo, Bard
[2] Sifright: Thadius, P-Sleazy
[1] P-Sleazy: rpgdemon
[1] Aldurin: Lumenskir
[1] Lumenskir: Aldurin
[0] Bard: (Inbred Chocobo)
[0] Revolving Ocelot: (Lumenskir)

Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
3. Ryanderman
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot
9. Mr. Bookworm
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir
15. Sifright

The Dead:

[N1] greed: Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla
[D2] Thadius: Equius Zahhak, TOWN (Strong) Vanilla

Night will last until 12:15AM EST August 1st.

[Solid Snake]

Karesh is replacing Revolving Ocelot, effective immediately.
He'll receive the pertinent information shortly.

Thanks to greed for volunteering as well, and I'll keep you in mind for future potential openings, but I still have a general preference to have replacements not be previous eliminated players, even eliminated 'Nillas.

[Solid Snake]

START OF DAY THREE

Thadius' LIMP BODY still hung above the dank corridors of the DESOLATE LABORATORY, where the villagers had sent the depraved man to a premature demise for finding too much pleasure from DISGUSTING FETISHES. Thadius' elitist notions of authority deriving solely from the COLOR OF ONE'S BLOOD offended his comrades, and his at times IRRATIONAL ANGER had led him to alienate friends. Despite his STRANGE INTERESTS and his domineering personality, however, Equius was a true ally...and the full extent of his STRENGTH would remain ETERNALLY CONCEALED.

After the UNJUST HANGING of EQUIUS ZAHHAK, his corpse smiled fiendishly on the people who hounded him throughout the day. Everyone had difficulty resting that night, as everyone was afraid that they would be next to suffer. NONETHELESS, despite the sinful nature of those who COWERED IN THE DARK, neither enemies nor Horrorterrors enacted karmic vengeance in the form of death. As everyone awoke from a MISERABLE SLUMBER, they noticed that THIRTEEN BODIES still breathed air in the laboratory.

NO ONE DIED OVERNIGHT.

Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
3. Ryanderman
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot / Karesh
9. Mr. Bookworm
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir
15. Sifright

The Dead:

[N1] greed: Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla
[D2] Thadius: Equius Zahhak, TOWN (Strong) Vanilla

Day will last until 1:45 AM EST on Friday, August 5th. (Effectively Thursday Night, for those of you who don't stay up as late as I do.)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

It's come to my attention that you chucklefucks have been entirely screwing this up thus far, what with the killing of no less than two townsfolk. Thus it falls to me to once again step in and solve everything for everyone.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Well who do you think we should lynch then?

[Lumenskir]

Ok, so on that mafia wiki (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Strongman) it says that the 'strong' modifier usually means that the role cannot be blocked/prevented/whatever...but what the heck does it mean for an otherwise vanilla townie to have it?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The night description lists both enemies and horrorterrors- is there two sorts of scum or is that just our feeble minds going crazy under the strain?

Somebody who knows more about homestuck would be best suited to speculate.
Usually if you have 2 groups its mafia and masons. Our group is quite small though, I think there would not be masons probably.

Enemies I guess is a mafia type role- they just like us but they evil.
Horrorterror is something different. Maybe some kind of SK? But it says there are multiple of them.

Also we had one kill night 1 and no kills night 2. I would guess there is some form of bodyguard/doctor who blocked night 2 kill and that there is only one killing role- mafia- with no SK or vigiliante.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The Horroterrors are basically the Great Old Ones. Their morality extends far beyond our understanding or something like that. In Homestuck its left slightly ambiguous as to whether or not they are out to help the protagonists reach a common goal or just using them for a different end.

[rpgdemon]

Sorry Thad! :(

So, what does no kill mean? You think it was the scum hoping that we kill most of ourselves off, if they give us no readable clues by killing someone?

[Aldurin]

No kill probably means that either someone that can prevent deaths was successful, or the mafia might have decided it was a bad idea to kill anyone at the time.

I'm betting on the death prevention since we did see Smarty's lynching get derailed.

[rpgdemon]

Yeah, but what's weird is that we saw his get decidedly derailed, versus this time, we just wake up and find nothing happened.

[Aldurin]

Yeah, but what's weird is that we saw his get decidedly derailed, versus this time, we just wake up and find nothing happened.

That's because night actions are not public, so if the mafia were to say "lol lets kill this guy" and the doctormacillit person was like "NOPE" then we wouldn't hear.

[Fenris]

I wonder what's up with last night. We've been given no clues to work with here. On the other hand, free lynch today. Let's not waste it.

[Inbred Chocobo]

It seems like for this game we have the most basic of mafia games. X number of mafias, and townies with a doctor and maybe a police officer for investigations. Means only one death, possible prevention, and again maybe a person that knows for sure who is who. No vigilante for some other kills, no serial killer for craziness, and I doubt the mafians have any special powers besides killing someone. So thats what I think.

Also, the Strong bit is a flavor text thing. One of the trolls in Homestruck was really strong and kept breaking bows that he tried to use, so its that, nothing more to it.

Welp, lets start this debate hard

##Vote: Sifright

Basically, very little posting, voted on easy town targets for lynch, and really no bias on what he thinks I am going with this. I'm casting suspicion on P-sleazy as well, main reason is that if he was truly saying he wanted to protect newbs, he would have realized that Thadius's actions were more the result of the way he posts and acts in general rather than him trying to hide anything in particular, and would've defend appropriately. Feels more like he was trying to sound like a good guy and not make you think bad of him the more I think about it.

[rpgdemon]

I'm gonna ##vote: P-Sleazy, since he is still my largest suspect for the reasons I outlined before.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I think our best course of action is to vote for someone who is not very active, mainly because we don't have any leads at the moment besides hunches and active members give you more clues to work with than non-active ones so as the game goes on the mafia becomes more obvious among the active members. They also keepdebate going which is helpful.
Low-active members can impair lynches too and it is a fairly good mafia tactic to just lay low and cruise while the townies kill themselves.
I'm not convinced on any of the other subject yet so unless someone can convince me I'm going to go through and look at everyone's posting record. Might take me a little bit though.

[rpgdemon]

As a heads up, I have spotty internet right now, so I won't be able to do as much in depth analyzing of people/posts as I did before, since I'm doing most stuff via phone, or via leeching wifi from a library.

If I vanish-ish, that's why.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I think our best course of action is to vote for someone who is not very active, mainly because we don't have any leads at the moment besides hunches and active members give you more clues to work with than non-active ones so as the game goes on the mafia becomes more obvious among the active members. They also keepdebate going which is helpful.
Low-active members can impair lynches too and it is a fairly good mafia tactic to just lay low and cruise while the townies kill themselves.
I'm not convinced on any of the other subject yet so unless someone can convince me I'm going to go through and look at everyone's posting record. Might take me a little bit though.

It's definitely true that cruising along can be a good mafia tactic but I've always been a bit quiet on the first few days and that's gotten me falsely accused and lynched more than once.

I'm not saying you don't have a point, mind. Just that it would be better if we had some other reasoning to couple with that idea.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Well I don't have internet at home at the momeny so my cunning work out who is inactive plan will be delayed a bit. If someone could do it it would be helpful.

As for Karesh- once we get the list of low activities we can investigate the posts they have made for suspicion meter and sort of combine the both but there is not a lot of other good reasoning for any players I'm seeing at the moment so I think weeding out the inactives is the best bet unless we get better options coming up.

[Solid Snake]

Oh hey y'all do remember this exists, right?
Day ends in less than 30 hours.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Seriously, you people need to post, my vote is the only vote and therefore majority. Then again, this could be seen as ULTIMATE POWAH!

So unless you trust me with the ULTIMATE POWAH! I suggest inputting into the discussion, if you got some of your own conclusions or just agree with me or whatever.

EDIT (Because I go against the rules because I'm cool): I see that rpg guy voted for P-Sleazy, and since he is my second target

##Unvote: Sifright
##Vote: P-Sleazy

[Fenris]

I'm wary about bandwaggoning on B_real. Since I have a bit of a stake in this game being successful (if it is, then I get to run my MLP mafia game) I actually appreciate him taking the effort to help introduce new players to the game.

Besides, your reasoning for suspecting B_real is pretty flimsy, too.

I'm casting suspicion on P-sleazy as well, main reason is that if he was truly saying he wanted to protect newbs, he would have realized that Thadius's actions were more the result of the way he posts and acts in general rather than him trying to hide anything in particular, and would've defend appropriately. Feels more like he was trying to sound like a good guy and not make you think bad of him the more I think about it.

Soooo....what it seems to boil down to is Bard or Thad. Of the two, both seem to be making dumb first-timer mistakes. Thad moreso.

IC can't decide between the two but rests on Bard which, Smarty seems to be "going with the flow" and votes Bard.

Then we have the other two goods voting for Thadius. Sifright and Ryanderman. Of the two, Sifright simply says he doesn't like Thadius and thinks he's scummy. Ok. Then Ryanderman pops in and seems to make more of a case than Sifright on Thadius. Albeit, that case is "Well...I see IC's logic on both, but I don't agree with his conclusion".

As such, I'm going to

##VOTE: Sifright

He seems all too keen to vote for Thadius given that Smarty is willing to vote for whomever is of the two.

I also reserve an #FOS: Ryanderman

Because he may be trying to help swing Smarty's opinion away from Bard.

Which leaves me with a final

FOS: BARD, THAD

Guys, stop being reactionary and start being more proactive. We'll never get anywhere if all you do is answer questions posed to you. We need you guys to ask the questions. Research peoples actions. And finally, quite being so worried. Uncle Sleazy will make sure that first time players will get their due defense from a more experienced player.

You might note that B_real didn't participate in the bandwagon of Thadius. You, on the other hand, did. You're a smart guy. You're good at this game. Why didn't you take note of Thad's actions being more indicative of his own personality instead of voting him off the island? If you're going to make that argument now, you're clearly aware of that being the case. Why weren't you then?

The fact is, there's not a whole lot to go on. I'm curious where Ryanderman and Bookworm have gone off to? What of Moogle? Frankly, I'm more concerned with inactives than the people who have posted so far, as nothing's really thrown off my scumdar yet.

Looks like the only victim of last night was this game's activity level. I'm not about to let two people decide who dies when seven are needed for majority, especially with such shaky reasoning that you are displaying right now.

Come on, people. Post.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Uhh there's not much to really go on. I don't think I'm going to follow the Sleazy bandwagon though, because he was right about Thad as pointed out by Fenris.

I'm going to leave the FOS: Sifright, Ryanderman, 'cause Ryanderman has been a bit silent, and Sifright's posts (that I've seen) didn't have much meat on 'em. I'm holding back on Moogle because I haven't seen him post much of anywhere.

For now though, I'm going to leave this with a ##Vote: Sifright. May be subject to change.

[Aldurin]

We need to generate more shit to read if we're gonna get anywhere, and killing somebody should do just that.

##Vote: Sifright, since taking shots at the flamboyant posters isn't getting anywhere and gut instinct.

[Moogle0119]

I'm still here, just a bit discouraged that yesterday's lynch didn't turn out better with Thad being town-aligned and all and waiting for someone to make a slip up and catch it. Plus for at least the next two weeks I'm stuck using a smartphone to check things out and it is annoying to type using it. I'm tempted to jump on the current bandwagon, but I don't know since there's less evidence/reason (in my opinion) than there was on Thad and look how that turned out.

[P-Sleazy]

thanks Fenris!

Yes Snake, I know this exists.

Also, I know I voted for Sifright yesterday, but why the sudden impulse of votes on him without reasons stated?

[Sifright]

Jeez I go away on one business trip come back three days later and every one wants to kill me.

##VOTE:P-Sleazy

Reason as follows is purely for self preservation he has the highest or 2nd highest votes alongside me and I would like to not be lynched.

I don't actually believe him to be scum though based on his previous voting pattern and would be willing to move my vote to rpgdemon or smarty. (both of them voted for thadius before who was a towny *i did as well* and rpgdemon moved away from that vote before he was lynched prehaps in a move to remove suspicion from him self?

[Sifright]

Addendum to previous post (Can't edit as per snakes ruling)

I will only move my vote away if it's no longer needed for self preservation.

[Solid Snake]

[2] Sifright: (Inbred Chocobo), Bard, Aldurin
[3] P-Sleazy: rpgdemon, Inbred Chocobo, Sifright

A little more than fourteen hours are left.

[Inbred Chocobo]

At Fenris: First, yay people talking, second is that you are right, I did already pretty much figure Thadius's actions were more the result of his personality rather than actual scum. At the time of voting for him however, it wasn't clear that he was going down however. I decided that I would rather pile onto the current highest votes and ensure a lynch on Thadius rather than leave it open to where if a few mafians were smart they could all vote last minute and lynch someone else. In hindsight, probably not the best reasoning, but too late to change that now.

Here is a couple of tidbits I would like to have out there that have to make me wonder about stuff. Bard's posting habits I can pick apart all day, but besides the initial burst he hasn't really done anything to bring himself to attention. Everyone is starting to push for lyncing inactives, and suddenly my gut is telling me that is the wrong thing to do, I mean, why is suddenly all these voices pushing for it? Yeah, the reasoning is sound but something doesn't sit right with me about that. It built up just a little too quick.

The other thing is, I understand that Fenris has a decent arguement against me for going after P-sleazy, but why defend him? That arguement wasn't exactly one that was obvious, and while I like seeing that much thought, I suddenly think there is more to this than meets the eye. So I am leaving my vote where its at.

Also, Fenris, why aren't you voting for anyone? Do you not feel strongly about anyone at all or is there something more to it than that?

[Aldurin]

Also, Fenris, why aren't you voting for anyone? Do you not feel strongly about anyone at all or is there something more to it than that?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo19z3UfaZ1qafrh6.gif

[Fenris]

At Fenris: First, yay people talking, second is that you are right, I did already pretty much figure Thadius's actions were more the result of his personality rather than actual scum. At the time of voting for him however, it wasn't clear that he was going down however. I decided that I would rather pile onto the current highest votes and ensure a lynch on Thadius rather than leave it open to where if a few mafians were smart they could all vote last minute and lynch someone else. In hindsight, probably not the best reasoning, but too late to change that now.

That's horrible reasoning. And it is exactly your reasoning for voting for B_real now.

Here is a couple of tidbits I would like to have out there that have to make me wonder about stuff. Bard's posting habits I can pick apart all day, but besides the initial burst he hasn't really done anything to bring himself to attention. Everyone is starting to push for lyncing inactives, and suddenly my gut is telling me that is the wrong thing to do, I mean, why is suddenly all these voices pushing for it? Yeah, the reasoning is sound but something doesn't sit right with me about that. It built up just a little too quick. As far as I can tell, SMB and I are the only ones who even mentioned inactives, and I haven't pushed to lynch anybody, inactive or no. I'm simply trying to cast attention into their direction so that maybe they'll start posting so the game doesn't die.

The other thing is, I understand that Fenris has a decent arguement against me for going after P-sleazy, but why defend him? That arguement wasn't exactly one that was obvious, and while I like seeing that much thought, I suddenly think there is more to this than meets the eye. So I am leaving my vote where its at. Because your logic is shit and I don't like people dying for shit logic. A 2 person majority when we have like 12 or 13 people alive is unacceptable.

Also, Fenris, why aren't you voting for anyone? Do you not feel strongly about anyone at all or is there something more to it than that?

as nothing's really thrown off my scumdar yet.

I don't even think you're scum, I just think you're mistaken.

[Ryanderman]

My confidence is shaken after being wrong yesterday. I don't know who to vote for, and don't want to swing and miss again. Need to look this thread over more thoroughly after work today.

[P-Sleazy]

I still do not like the way Bard or Aldurin voted for Sifright. Very little substance in thier reasoning on voting Sifright. Atleast IC is attempting to create some kind of substance to the votes on me. BUUUUuuut,

I do like to live, so in the same interests as Sifright, those interests being self preservation,

##VOTE: Sifright
FOS: Bard
FOS: Aldurin

[Mr.Bookworm]

Uuugh. This is the part of Mafia I hate, where you have absolutely no concrete suspicions.

Sooo I am going to blatantly bandwagon and ##Vote: Sifright, and hope random chance falls in our favor.

[Solid Snake]

Day's ended.

She was so ex~cit~ed that she could barely contain her joy. No one had died last night! This had to mean wonderful things for herself and her beloved comrades! The recent deaths of Karkat and Equius barely clouded her mind, for even they would still remain accessible to her in Dream Bubbles. What concerned the abdicated Empress-to-be was simply her duty, to heal and to love, and to be so excited as she worked her magic every night, conspiring with the Horrorterrors to prevent the deaths of those she selected.

...Sadly, her ENTHUSIASTIC NATURE was misinterpreted in the dark, unlit halls of the LABORATORY as a sign of MALEVOLENCE. And even one with such ROYAL BLOOD was caught off-guard when those around her demanded her HEAD. With a blind fury she charged those nearest to her with her TRIDENT, but was quickly dispatched with. When everyone finally gathered around her CORPSE, they realized in horror the nature of their grievous mistake, for the woman who lay dead was the LAST TROLL they'd ever want to kill.

Sifright is dead. He was Feferi Peixes, TOWN Doctor.

D3 Vote Totals:

[4] Sifright: (Inbred Chocobo), Bard, Aldurin, P-Sleazy, Mr. Bookworm
[3] P-Sleazy: rpgdemon, Inbred Chocobo, Sifright

Night officially begins at 2:00 AM EST. Due to a prior commitment I have that will keep me busy on Saturday night this 'night' will last 72 hours long and thus 'Day Four' will begin at 2:00 AM on Monday, August 8. (Sunday night for those who stay up as late as I do.)

Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
3. Ryanderman
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot / Karesh
9. Mr. Bookworm
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir

The Dead:

[N1] greed: Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla
[D2] Thadius: Equius Zahhak, TOWN (Strong) Vanilla
[D3] Sifright: Feferi Peixes, TOWN Doctor

[Solid Snake]

DAY FOUR BEGINS:

No time for flavor I'm late I'm late.
Ryanderman has mysteriously disappeared. As his body cannot be found, his identity cannot be verified.

Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot / Karesh
9. Mr. Bookworm
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir

The Dead:
[N1] greed: Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla
[D2] Thadius: Equius Zahhak, TOWN (Strong) Vanilla
[D3] Sifright: Feferi Peixes, TOWN Doctor

The Missing:
[N3] Ryanderman: [??]

With 11 alive and present, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Due to my tardiness Day Four will last until 12PM EST on Friday the 12th.

[rpgdemon]

I don't actually believe him to be scum though based on his previous voting pattern and would be willing to move my vote to rpgdemon or smarty. (both of them voted for thadius before who was a towny *i did as well* and rpgdemon moved away from that vote before he was lynched prehaps in a move to remove suspicion from him self?

Defending myself from a dead guy, but it actually happened backwards to this.

I was voting for P-Sleazy, and jumped onto Thadius immediately before I was lynched, to boost the number there and try to end the day early, since my vote was being thrown away.

I'm honestly just deadset on voting P-Sleazy, since right now that's the biggest "Lead" that I have. Alternately, other people didn't post at all the other day, and voting them out can only be beneficial to the town, since either it makes our day-ending-lynch easier, or hits scum, right?

Though, if we vote them out and they're townies, then it makes the scum able to overpower us in a lynch?

##vote: P-Sleazy

Since I still don't believe him not to be scum. I've got no further reasons, aside from what I've said before.

[Fenris]

Alternately, other people didn't post at all the other day, and voting them out can only be beneficial to the town, since either it makes our day-ending-lynch easier, or hits scum, right?

Well, there's a balance here. The days allow us to discuss and try to figure out each other's roles. It's important that we lynch people. It's not necessarily important that we lynch people quickly.

[Aldurin]

I have to put it out here that our current strategy sucks big time, we just seem to be going after whoever is the first to post in a way deemed suspiciously (it's clear that the scum are getting by because we're too busy drooling over our first couple FOS's while they wait to post and join the bandwagon).

I'm going to wait for a proper headcount from the whole group before I make a vote. Also no FOS's until I see some more posts.

[rpgdemon]

So, I went through the entirety of Day 1, and here are the stats for it. By which I mean, postcounts.

greed - 2
Moogle0119 - 2
Ryanderman - 3
Fenris - 4 (+1 Questionable moddeything)
Inbred Chocobo - 3 (+1 Questionable jokeypost against Snake)
Aldurin - 2
Bard the 5th - 3
Revolving Ocelot - 3
Mr. Bookworm - 3 (Made first post)
Thadius (X) - 7
rpgdemon - 8
Smarty - 10
P-Sleazy - 5
Lumenskir - 4
Sifright - 1



Smarty - 10
rpgdemon - 8
Thadius (X) - 7
P-Sleazy - 5
Fenris - 4 (+1 Questionable moddeything)
Lumenskir - 4
Inbred Chocobo - 3 (+1 Questionable jokeypost against Snake)
Bard the 5th - 3
Ryanderman - 3
Mr. Bookworm - 3 (Made first post)
Revolving Ocelot - 3
greed - 2
Moogle0119 - 2
Aldurin - 2
Sifright - 1

[rpgdemon]

The options are how they're sorted, by the way.

[P-Sleazy]

I still don't quite agree that I am scum. But hey, its still a much better arguement than what we had for Sifight yestrday. Two votes of no reason, one for self peservtion (mine), and then the last one cause "thats just the way things seem to be going".

##VOTE: Aldurin
FOS: Bard
FOS: Mr. Bookworm

I had to pick one of those three might as well be Ald.

[Fenris]

I still don't quite agree that I am scum. But hey, its still a much better arguement than what we had for Sifight yestrday. Two votes of no reason, one for self peservtion (mine), and then the last one cause "thats just the way things seem to be going".

##VOTE: Aldurin
FOS: Bard
FOS: Mr. Bookworm

I had to pick one of those three might as well be Ald.

Why Earl, though? Why not either one of the other two? That vote for Earl can be seen as a vote for no reason if you squint and look at it kinda sideways.

[Inbred Chocobo]

As this point in time, I'm unsure. Previous people I've thrown scrutiny out no longer feel like they are scrutinious. I think inactive people are inactive because they don't really have a hold to this game, however if they were mafian they would have a hold so I don't think lynching people due to post count is an effective move either. We have people that are sort've scummy and could possibly be scummy like Thad and sifright, but we've seen how that works out. So I'm going after the one target that makes me think they are smarting up and playing nice and helpful, all while attempting to avoid any kind of threat at all to town.

##Vote: Fenris

Have you ever watched someone's post and things just seem a little too helpful? Just a little too nice and it makes you wonder? Yeah I am getting that with Fenris. Honestly I'm getting that with P-sleazy as well so there we go.

[Fenris]

As this point in time, I'm unsure. Previous people I've thrown scrutiny out no longer feel like they are scrutinious. I think inactive people are inactive because they don't really have a hold to this game, however if they were mafian they would have a hold so I don't think lynching people due to post count is an effective move either. We have people that are sort've scummy and could possibly be scummy like Thad and sifright, but we've seen how that works out. So I'm going after the one target that makes me think they are smarting up and playing nice and helpful, all while attempting to avoid any kind of threat at all to town.

##Vote: Fenris

Have you ever watched someone's post and things just seem a little too helpful? Just a little too nice and it makes you wonder? Yeah I am getting that with Fenris. Honestly I'm getting that with P-sleazy as well so there we go.
I'm really glad I took a stroll down memory lane during the night and read some of the older games.

This is not the first time you've tried to get me lynched for being too helpful. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=358776&postcount=289) In that game, you succeeded.

Please note that I was town-aligned then, too. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=361641&postcount=387)

If we want to talk about people's posting tendencies, it's not uncommon behavior for me to be helpful towards people, especially when I've already made it clear what my ulterior motive is for being so nice. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1145843&postcount=165)

And, once again, history goes against you in terms of people being in the game being the ones who are definitely scum. Back in Bleach Mafia, the Cult won while its leader was afk. Support. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=429861&postcount=513)

I'm not really seeing any basis for your arguments this game, IC. I think you're grasping.

[P-Sleazy]

Why Earl, though? Why not either one of the other two? That vote for Earl can be seen as a vote for no reason if you squint and look at it kinda sideways.

Well, considering how much all of them posted when voting for Sifright.

I'm going to leave the FOS: Sifright, Ryanderman, 'cause Ryanderman has been a bit silent, and Sifright's posts (that I've seen) didn't have much meat on 'em. I'm holding back on Moogle because I haven't seen him post much of anywhere.

For now though, I'm going to leave this with a ##Vote: Sifright. May be subject to change.

We need to generate more shit to read if we're gonna get anywhere, and killing somebody should do just that.

##Vote: Sifright, since taking shots at the flamboyant posters isn't getting anywhere and gut instinct.

I still do not like the way Bard or Aldurin voted for Sifright. Very little substance in thier reasoning on voting Sifright. Atleast IC is attempting to create some kind of substance to the votes on me. BUUUUuuut,

I do like to live, so in the same interests as Sifright, those interests being self preservation,

##VOTE: Sifright
FOS: Bard
FOS: Aldurin

Uuugh. This is the part of Mafia I hate, where you have absolutely no concrete suspicions.

Sooo I am going to blatantly bandwagon and ##Vote: Sifright, and hope random chance falls in our favor.

Of those 4, Bard threw out ideas (although flimsy). I'm me. so I'm not gonna vote or FOS myself. That'd be silly. Bookworm and Aldurin gave very little in terms of reasons. Atleast bookworm had the decency to call his vote for what it is. A bandwagon vote. So, I'm left with Aldurin. Doesn't mean I like Bard or Bookworm. I just like Aldurin's vote less than the other twos.

[Fenris]

I have to put it out here that our current strategy sucks big time, we just seem to be going after whoever is the first to post in a way deemed suspiciously (it's clear that the scum are getting by because we're too busy drooling over our first couple FOS's while they wait to post and join the bandwagon).

I'm going to wait for a proper headcount from the whole group before I make a vote. Also no FOS's until I see some more posts.

Whoa, just noticed something. Aren't you like, insinuating that the scum are waiting for things to happen and then jumping on?

And then aren't you going on to say that you're going to wait for things to happen and then join in?

I just want to make sure I'm reading that post correctly.

[Aldurin]

After my random vote helped kill the town doctor I'm a bit reluctant. And you've read my early posts and know that reasoning my reasoning is not a well-invested skill.

I can see the suspicion towards me since most everyone (including me) is drunkenly throwing around votes with what little reason there is to squeeze out of the ton of nothing.

Also who are the inactives (haven't posted during the last day)? Letting the townies randomly kill eachother off and then taking victims during the night would totally be a reasonable tactic for the scum.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm a bit sleepy and have a headache, so I don't think I can perform any cohesive reasoning right now. Tomorrow I'll search through this and drop in my two cents.

[P-Sleazy]

The most inactive, and still living, players of the game have been

Moogle (6),
Mr. Bookworm (5),
Karesh (2)

[Mr.Bookworm]

True. Mmm. Really have no idea here, though I am disinclined to think B_real is scum after sorting through the thread, although I could be totally wrong on that, and I'm not sure I want to jump on the Choo-Choo-Fuck-You Train after the last one killed the Doctor.

[Moogle0119]

One thing that's interesting is we only had a night kill on Night 1. Why wasn't there a kill on Nights 2 & 3 (the missing person thing doesn't seem to match the style of death/disappearance of the Night 1 death). My only guess is that we have an inactive mafia who is forgetting to send in night kills the last two nights unless there's another doctor/bodyguard role out there (unlikely considering the number of people in this game).

For now though I'm going to:
##Vote: Karesh
Since the player change happened right at Night 2, it's possible Karesh missed the deadline for sending in a night action which resulted in no deaths on Night 2. Since he has only posted twice (once on Day 3 and once today on Day 4) it could support the theory that his lack of posts the past two days coincides with an inactive mafia.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

One thing that's interesting is we only had a night kill on Night 1. Why wasn't there a kill on Nights 2 & 3 (the missing person thing doesn't seem to match the style of death/disappearance of the Night 1 death). My only guess is that we have an inactive mafia who is forgetting to send in night kills the last two nights unless there's another doctor/bodyguard role out there (unlikely considering the number of people in this game).

For now though I'm going to:
##Vote: Karesh
Since the player change happened right at Night 2, it's possible Karesh missed the deadline for sending in a night action which resulted in no deaths on Night 2. Since he has only posted twice (once on Day 3 and once today on Day 4) it could support the theory that his lack of posts the past two days coincides with an inactive mafia.


That makes absolutely perfect sense. Despite being in contact with our generous host for this murderous little event to establish my entry into the game I would definitely skip out on actually noticing that I should be killing someone. And he would totally skip right into day without giving me a chance to throw my choice in for the night.

Vote: Karesh

Because that logic is so flawless.

[Bard The 5th LW]

unless there's another doctor/bodyguard role out there

Actually I'm pretty sure we still had our doctor on the night with no kill. Not so sure about the 'missing' thing.

[Aldurin]

Ryanderman locked himself in the bathroom, no cause for alarm.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Those bathroom doors are a sinister lot.

[Fenris]

That makes absolutely perfect sense. Despite being in contact with our generous host for this murderous little event to establish my entry into the game I would definitely skip out on actually noticing that I should be killing someone. And he would totally skip right into day without giving me a chance to throw my choice in for the night.

Vote: Karesh

Because that logic is so flawless.

I totally see where you're coming from there, regarding being in contact with Snake. But! We don't know what the messages between you and Snake that got you into this game were, and we don't know when they were sent. There was a single day that passed between your joining the game and Snake beginning the next day. It's imaginable that you neglected to check your PM box in the time between the two posts regarding "Cowboys & Aliens" that you made during that day. It's not probable but it is certainly possible. I don't think it's what happened, given that you were the first one to post on the following day, but I think that's where Moogs is coming from.

But Snake is totally one for being by-the-book follow-all-regulations no-exceptions-ever, so this little bit-

And he would totally skip right into day without giving me a chance to throw my choice in for the night.

-is totally feasible.

Comes with the lawyerism, don'chaknow.

[Moogle0119]

@Bard: Yeah you're right about the doctor, I was confusing him with the "strong" townie that died on Day 2.

[Moogle0119]

Sorry for the double post. But yeah, what Fenris was saying is what my line of thinking is, only better explained. I'll admit though I didn't check Karesh's posting habits prior to joining the game nor right afterward (hard to do as well as keep track of everthing else going on while I'm without my pc). It's the best reasoning I can come up with at the moment and it'ss definitely a lead worth taking a look at.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

It's imaginable that you neglected to check your PM box in the time between the two posts regarding "Cowboys & Aliens" that you made during that day. It's not probable but it is certainly possible. I don't think it's what happened, given that you were the first one to post on the following day, but I think that's where Moogs is coming from.


I see where he's coming from too, I just think it so happens he's coming from stupidtown.
I find it especially odd since he was all on about how he hates the lack of concrete evidence earlier. That post lead me to believe he wasn't the kind of person to act on those silly little scraping up evidence from anywhichway ideas. But I guess I was wrong in that.

But Snake is totally one for being by-the-book follow-all-regulations no-exceptions-ever, so this little bit-



-is totally feasible.

Comes with the lawyerism, don'chaknow.

That I'll grant you, but even still. You don't think he would at least send me more PMs or try to contact me some other way? Especially when he might not have even been sure I'd been informed of my role?

[Fenris]

You don't think he would at least send me more PMs or try to contact me some other way? Especially when he might not have even been sure I'd been informed of my role?

If I were Snake, I would assume one PM would be enough. I'm pretty sure it kicks back a message if the recipient's PM box is full, so he would be aware you received it.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

If I were Snake, I would assume one PM would be enough. I'm pretty sure it kicks back a message if the recipient's PM box is full, so he would be aware you received it.


It just seems a bit faulty for him to have handed such a critical role out to me and then just kinda dropped the issue when he received no kill command. Unless Moogle's suggesting I made a conscious decision to use an inactive mafia tactic, but that being the case the obvious concurrent strategy would be to be active as fuck in the main thread in order to point suspicion toward the less active.

[Fenris]

It just seems a bit faulty for him to have handed such a critical role out to me and then just kinda dropped the issue when he received no kill command. Unless Moogle's suggesting I made a conscious decision to use an inactive mafia tactic, but that being the case the obvious concurrent strategy would be to be active as fuck in the main thread in order to point suspicion toward the less active.

I would imagine that Snake doesn't wish to receive any accusations of GM bias, and as such is doing the bare minimum of interacting with players.

He seems like the kind of guy that would take that kind of thing pretty hard so I wouldn't really blame him if that were the case.

But like I said, I don't really buy into Moogle's theory, but I do find it pretty interesting that the instant somebody pointed a finger at you you appeared in the game.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

But like I said, I don't really buy into Moogle's theory, but I do find it pretty interesting that the instant somebody pointed a finger at you you appeared in the game.

As I almost always do I've been reading but refrain from posting unless I actually have something to contribute.

[Fenris]

As I almost always do I've been reading but refrain from posting unless I actually have something to contribute.

That's an awful nice way to say "lurking."

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

That's an awful nice way to say "lurking."

That's an awful crude way to say "reading but refraining from posting unless I actually have something to contribute."

[Fenris]

That's an awful crude way to say "reading but refraining from posting unless I actually have something to contribute."

That's an awful nice way to

But nah, seriously though. You had absolutely nothing to contribute to the game in ways of discussion or even prompting people to do stuff? Why didn't you show up when I called out some lurkers yesterday? Not even an "I'm still here" ?

C'mon, Gary.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

But nah, seriously though. You had absolutely nothing to contribute to the game in ways of discussion or even prompting people to do stuff? Why didn't you show up when I called out some lurkers yesterday? Not even an "I'm still here" ?

Nope.

C'mon, Gary.

I will destroy you.

[Fenris]

I will destroy you.

Not unlike a mafiate would overnight! Caught you!

[Fenris]

Can't we all just agree that sarcasm funny doesn't work on discussion boards?

Oh, right.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

What I really like though is that someone posts a list of the most inactive people and all three of the next posts are those posters.

[Aldurin]

What I really like though is that someone posts a list of the most inactive people and all three of the next posts are those posters.

Triggering that motion was probably the best move I have made so far and probably the best move I will ever make. Which is sad when I think about it.

[Fenris]

Just a note that I'm going to be more absent than usual, due to me stuffing paper into envelopes all day erry day for the next 3 days, then some band camp stuff for the next week.

[Inbred Chocobo]

After some self debate, I think I am going to concede to Fenris's arguement.

##Unvote: Fenris

Pursuing him for being unhelpful after thinking about it for a few days doesn't really sound much like a good idea anymore. In truth, I really don't know who to go after anymore, and really the only thing I can get now after reading the thread is gut feelings, so in truth, that is what this vote is, nothing more than after reading this thread again gut feeling.

Vote: P-Sleazy

[P-Sleazy]

Is that really all we have against me? Gut Feeling from both RPG and IC?

[Inbred Chocobo]

Damnit, you are giving that perfect feeling as well, the too good townie. Which Fenris debunked for going against him, and going against you. I don't know why, its just bothering the hell out of me, the both of you. GAH!!!!!!

Okay, unless other people agree with me that it just is a bit too weird how it seems like P-sleazy and Fenris are the perfect damn townies, then I'm going with Bard

##Unvote: P-diddy
##Vote: Bard

Bard had weird posting habits at first, started the trainwreck that killed the town doctor, and well thats all I got but there we go.

[rpgdemon]

IC's constant switching back and forth and going, "I'm a townie and care about townies is why I keep townie switching from townies" is kind of suspicious.

Suspicious enough to change my vote? I dunno, what's the count at right now? I feel like it's one on like three people, but I'm not sure.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Unvote: Karesh

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

I'll just be the one to say that's the most suspicious thing I've seen so far.

[Bard The 5th LW]

By my count (which I think is mistaken) here are the tallies.

Karesh: 1
P-sleazy 1
Aldurin: 1
Bard: 1

A note to Karesh: Your vote won't be counted unless you have it like this. ##Vote: Person

Bard had weird posting habits at first, started the trainwreck that killed the town doctor, and well thats all I got but there we go

I don't think post count has really been working well as far as a determining factor so far. And I voted for Sifright after Aldurin and you already voted. Although you withdrew the vote by that point. So don't pin that bandwagon on me.

[Aldurin]

I'm going to have to go with ##Vote: Inbred Chocobo because I just find him the most odd of all of the reasonable people.

I'd post a picture of Omochao looking evil, but I'll have to settle with the phrase that the tutorial character is the real enemy. Being helpful can keep you off the FOS list for only so long.

[rpgdemon]

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and
##Unvote: P-Sleazy
##Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Since now someone I suspect will be ahead in terms of votes, whereas P-Sleazy vote wasn't doing anything.

[Inbred Chocobo]

When I die guys, vote for P-sleazy. Also, I keep changing my votes in an expression of confusion over our current situations, nothing really more too it than that.

[Aldurin]

Due to my tardiness Day Four will last until 12PM EST on Friday the 12th.

So voting should have already ended? Or did you mean 12AM EST on Saturday the 13th (a.k.a.midnight)?

[Solid Snake]

So voting should have already ended? Or did you mean 12AM EST on Saturday the 13th (a.k.a.midnight)?

It ended when I was not present, just like last time. (Gotta figure out better timing to end the Days.)

[Solid Snake]

The lovable little kitten cosplayer probably deserved her horrifying fate least. Yet she refused to put up a fight, perhaps because her one and only true love had died so long ago. And the innocents, scrambling for answers and finding none, were shocked to find another of their own had been killed in their haste and negligence.

Inbred Chocobo has DIED. He was Nepeta Leijon, TOWN Vanilla.


Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
4. Fenris
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot / Karesh
9. Mr. Bookworm
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir

The Dead:
[N1] greed: Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla
[D2] Thadius: Equius Zahhak, TOWN (Strong) Vanilla
[D3] Sifright: Feferi Peixes, TOWN Doctor
[D4] Inbred Chocobo: Nepeta Leijon, TOWN Vanilla

The Missing:
[N3] Ryanderman: [??]

Night will last until 10pm EST on Sunday, August 14. Gotta get this on a better schedule.

EDIT:
End of Day votes for your reference:

[0] P-Sleazy: (rpgdemon)
[1] Aldurin: P-Sleazy
[0] Fenris: (Inbred Chocobo)
[1] Karesh: Moogle0119
[1] Bard: Inbred Chocobo
[2] Inbred Chocobo: Aldurin, rpgdemon

[Solid Snake]

Nearly everyone had a VERY NICE SLEEP last night, heroes and villains alike. To everyone's collective surprise, NO ONE DIED.

Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
4. Fenris
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot / Karesh
9. Mr. Bookworm
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir

With 10 Alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
(Also I'm seriously going to be contacting greed and others shortly about Replacements if some of y'all don't get your acts together. I generally hate to replace this late in the game but this is getting somewhat ridiculous. Those of you I'm considering replacing should know who you are.)

[P-Sleazy]

No, I don't think they know. Mostly because they probably stopped paying attention to this. Which makes me sad. :(

[rpgdemon]

So, wait, do we win if the Mafia lose organization and their hierarchy collapses?

[P-Sleazy]

assuming they actually are inactive, they would be collapsing. We just have to lynch them and not ourselves.

[Moogle0119]

This is extremely strange indeed and I'm also thinking that the mafia (or at least the mafiate who is supposed to be sending in the night kills) is an inactive player. The question now is whether or not there is any players in this game that haven't logged onto the site since Night began? If everyone that's still left alive has, then perhaps we can start looking at individuals who only seem to post once in a while saying something like "Still here, not sure what to do though." or "I'll be busy for the next few days." Anything that could pull them away from the board for days at a time or if it seems like the player isn't honestly interested in contributing.

On second thought (and this may be a little meta-gaming) we could wait to see who gets replaced and assume that, they are replacing the inactive mafiate.

[Solid Snake]

On second thought (and this may be a little meta-gaming) we could wait to see who gets replaced and assume that, they are replacing the inactive mafiate.

Way to encourage a line of reasoning that would definitely ensure, regardless of whether I was replacing a Townie or a Mafiate, that I wouldn't want to replace anybody lest I influence the outcome!

Nah but seriously: Inactives at this point include Townies and Mafiates alike. You can either imply a course of action that would force me not to replace anyone, or you can actually play the game the way you're supposed to play it.
But I assure you if any replacements happen from here on out, they'll happen in groups in order to deliberately avoid your blasted Meta.

Anyway: Day ends at 11:00PM on Thursday the 18th. Day ends and votes are frozen at that precise time whether I'm around or not.

[Fenris]

"Still here, not sure what to do though." or "I'll be busy for the next few days." Anything that could pull them away from the board for days at a time or if it seems like the player isn't honestly interested in contributing.

I'mma call foul on that simply 'cause that implicates me.

I mean, it's sound reasoning, but I can't really damn anybody for life happening.

Anyway, I'mma ##Vote: rpgdemon

Here's why.

I'm Sollux Captor, TOWN Inventor, and due to being an Inventor, I have limited uses of some nifty powers. I can roleblock, investigate, or protect 2 times each. I investigated B_real (P-Sleaz for you neophytes) on night 2, and he came up TOWN as well. Withholding his role to keep him safe-ish from the scumteam, which rpgdemon is a part of. This investigation is why I stepped in to protect him from the bandwagon.

This past night, I investigated rpg. rpgdemon has been yellin' at B_real the whole game. I got his role as:

Hegemonic Brute: SCUM Abductor.

Abductor, to me, implies that he isn't responsible for killing people, but hiding them away, which explains Ryanderman's disappearance.

So, yeah. Votin' RPG.

[Aldurin]

That is a big gambit you're doing there Fenris, since you could get royally fucked if this goes wrong, or if it turns out rpg is a townie. So I believe you for your boldness.

##Vote: rpgdemon

Fuck you scum. Also, what do you mean by "protect 2 times each"?

[Fenris]

That is a big gambit you're doing there Fenris, since you could get royally fucked if this goes wrong, or if it turns out rpg is a townie. So I believe you for your boldness.

##Vote: rpgdemon

Fuck you scum. Also, what do you mean by "protect 2 times each"?

Just what I said. My protection, investigation, and roleblocking powers have limited uses. 2 uses each, to be exact.

[Moogle0119]

Yeah sorry for the meta-gameiness and I guess it doesn't actually matter for now anyway.


## Vote:rpgdemon

[rpgdemon]

I'll go along with it to be vindicated as soon as you lynch me, since I'm actually a moderately important townie role.

I already gave my character in my first post, as well. You are John Egbert.

In any case, I'm not gonna try to argue with it, since at this point it goes he said she said, but Fenris's machine is clearly borked. Like, badly. So I'm gonna go ahead and say that he's a towny, but his machine works backwards. For now.

##vote: P-Sleazy

[rpgdemon]

Fuck you scum. Also, what do you mean by "protect 2 times each"?

Woah, wait, what? Ad hominem like a fucking asshole.

You go onto my next list of people who ought to die after you guys lynch me, just because thou doth protesteth too much. Also, ad hominem like a fucking asshole.

[rpgdemon]

And Fenris, I'm not sure if you read Homestuck, but giving my character name is a pretty blatant hint at what my role is.

If P-Sleazy's role came up as Bulletproof, then you I know for sure that your machine is broken. You can say that I'm just guessing based on the roles that are left, but keep in mind that I gave my name WAY early on.

In Homestuck, John Egbert is the main character, who because of various shenanigans, is unable to be killed except for in a heroic or just way. Lynching is a just way, which will be the way that I can die.

I figure that an exposed Bulletproof is more useful than lynching the wrong guy, especially since I'll be exposed soon, if I'm dead.

Either way: Faulty Machine is faulty.

[Fenris]

And Fenris, I'm not sure if you read Homestuck, but giving my character name is a pretty blatant hint at what my role is.

If P-Sleazy's role came up as Bulletproof, then you I know for sure that your machine is broken. You can say that I'm just guessing based on the roles that are left, but keep in mind that I gave my name WAY early on.

In Homestuck, John Egbert is the main character, who because of various shenanigans, is unable to be killed except for in a heroic or just way. Lynching is a just way, which will be the way that I can die.

I figure that an exposed Bulletproof is more useful than lynching the wrong guy, especially since I'll be exposed soon, if I'm dead.

Either way: Faulty Machine is faulty.Rather convenient for you that you would roleplay as John right from the beginning. I don't buy it though, seeing how scum wouldn't roleplay as scum.

Only one way to find out if my machine's faulty, and that's a lynch on you. If your lynch turns you up to be who you say you are, then we should go for B_real as that would mean that my machine is giving me switched results, which isn't unheard of.

Like I said, only one way to find out though, my vote stands.

[rpgdemon]

Fair enough, though I have evidence enough to back up my case, (And a bias) to say that we ought to go for P-Sleazy first, and then lynch me if he comes up as the town bulletproof.

If I were scum, I wouldn't choose the role of Town Bulletproof to fake being, I'd pick a random dude who wasn't important.

Heck, Snake even said that the Scum would be given safe roles, and I'd pick my safe role to hide behind, rather than fake being a bulletproof.

[Fenris]

Fair enough, though I have evidence enough to back up my case, (And a bias) to say that we ought to go for P-Sleazy first, and then lynch me if he comes up as the town bulletproof.

If I were scum, I wouldn't choose the role of Town Bulletproof to fake being, I'd pick a random dude who wasn't important.

Heck, Snake even said that the Scum would be given safe roles, and I'd pick my safe role to hide behind, rather than fake being a bulletproof.

P. sure the bulletproof fake is what you're hiding behind.

[rpgdemon]

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[rpgdemon]

P. sure the bulletproof fake is what you're hiding behind.

P. sure bulletproof fake isn't what I'm hiding behind, since that would imply hiding.

If I were faking, as I said, I'd fake a safe role that Snake would have offered me, which wouldn't have overlap with someone else to go, "HEY THAT'S ME WAIT A MINUTE."

[Fenris]

Fair enough, though I have evidence enough to back up my case, (And a bias) to say that we ought to go for P-Sleazy first, and then lynch me if he comes up as the town bulletproof.

If I were scum, I wouldn't choose the role of Town Bulletproof to fake being, I'd pick a random dude who wasn't important.

Heck, Snake even said that the Scum would be given safe roles, and I'd pick my safe role to hide behind, rather than fake being a bulletproof.

Let me elaborate on why scum would hide behind the bulletproof role.

Say there's a vig. The vig could ostensibly nightkill the scum. The scum wants to live, so he claims the investigator that investigated him is broken. The scum then claims he's not killable at night, as to keep the vig away and give the scum one more night to kill people before he's lynched the next day when the townie is killed instead of the scum.

My vote stays on you, buddy.

[rpgdemon]

Are we allowed to PM eachother about this? Since you could ask P-Sleazy to PM you his role, as a test.

[Fenris]

Are we allowed to PM eachother about this? Since you could ask P-Sleazy to PM you his role, as a test.

Absolutely not.