Adventure Time, with Fiona and Cake

[Aerozord]

I know there will be people kicking themselves if they miss this, so I'm doing my part by spreading the word. Fiona and Cake episode will be on monday, so you know, start working on that cough now so your "total legit sick day" is more believable

[Aerozord]

wow, I'm abit surprised they got the scene of him taking her to his room, locking the door, and apparently undressing past the censors

[Jagos]

What the hell is Adventure time?

[Kerensky287]

What the hell is Adventure time?

NEGAREP NEGAREP NEGAREP

[Bard The 5th LW]

FUCK I MISSED IT OH WAIT NO I RECORD EVERY EPISODE SO IM COOL

[Jagos]

WTF?

*Looks around*

Did I miss something?

*Combs his beard*

[Kerensky287]

Okay, that was a pretty good episode I just saw.

With Neil Patrick Harris as Prince Gumball.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Anything with Neil Patrick Harris is instantly awesome.

[Nique]

Adventure Time is a Cartoon Network show about a boy named Finn and his dog/ best friend Jake voiced by John Dimaggio aka Bender from Futurama. It's a very clever show.

[Aerozord]

they just did an entire episode, completely straight, where the gender of every character is changed, if you still need a reason to watch this show you are clearly some alien replicant attempting to imitate us humans

and failing

[Pip Boy]

If you want to inform people about the show, you could always just link them to this very informative article about it (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/AdventureTime?from=Main.AdventureTime). And then laugh because they'll never be seen again.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Holy shit Fiona and Cake was weird in the best way. I like how it seemed to actually take itself in the tone of a normal episode though.

edit: but seriously, there was a line or two that was crossed in that episode during the bedroom scene

e2: it totally had the all-time best ending of any episode of ever though

[akaSM]

I hope they release DVDs of the show, I haven't watched more than 3 or 4 episodes because of college D:

[Grimpond]

Did Prince Gumball look up fionna's skirt when she kicked the ball, or was I seeing things?

[Fifthfiend]

The Ice King's fanfiction: almost as terrifying as the Ice King's cosplay.

[Locke cole]

It was actually well done until he shoehorned in everyone being in love with him

I mean, aside from being creepy as anything, it just raises questions. If the Ice King and Ice Queen are distinct characters in that world, are there supposed to be male and female versions of everyone, or is it just the Ice King who is two people? Also, if there's an Ice King and Ice Queen, wouldn't they be married to each other and ruling the Ice Kingdom? Or is the Ice King some sort of hobo who doesn't actually rule the Ice Kingdom in that world?

[RickZarber]

I hope they release DVDs of the show, I haven't watched more than 3 or 4 episodes because of college D:There is apparently a DVD (http://www.amazon.com/Adventure-Time-Two-Favorite-People/dp/B005775M22/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315371403&sr=8-1) coming out later this month with six episodes from season one and six from season two. Why they are only doing this when the show is so damn popular boggles my mind. I want season sets, dammit; my DVR is getting full...

[Aerozord]

I mean, aside from being creepy as anything, it just raises questions. If the Ice King and Ice Queen are distinct characters in that world

I was more disturbed with the realization that he had female Fin in love with him.

Or is the Ice King some sort of hobo who doesn't actually rule the Ice Kingdom in that world?

kind of both, there isn't much there, and what is there he can kill rather easily. If I had to guess, he's like the old warrior kings. He isn't king because of some bloodline, but because he's killed anyone that would challenge his claim.

As I said in the last thread, he is deluded and incompetent, but actually has alot of magical power.

[Locke cole]

Naw, I mean, in the Fiona/Cake fanfiction, there is apparently an Ice King in addition to the Ice Queen. Does one of them rule the Ice Kingdom (by whatever method of sovereignty you subscribe to) while the other is just a king/queen in name only? 'cause they certainly aren't married to each other...

[Aerozord]

Naw, I mean, in the Fiona/Cake fanfiction, there is apparently an Ice King in addition to the Ice Queen. Does one of them rule the Ice Kingdom (by whatever method of sovereignty you subscribe to) while the other is just a king/queen in name only? 'cause they certainly aren't married to each other...

I think its more that the Ice King just wanted all the girls to be crushin on him yo

and gave absolutely zero thought to the unanswered questions putting himself in the story would cause. Actually rather meta if thats true. It would mean the writers put in the effort to justify why something in the story within a story wasn't justified

[Locke cole]

I figure as much, actually. Those are questions one would ask the Ice King if his fanfiction was something actually being evaluated.

Like, he did a surprisingly well-constructed 63 version of the world, until he botched it in the last paragraph.

[Ecks]

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

Seriously, even though I saw it coming a mile away... still really messed up.

[Kim]

Cartoon Network apparently had the following behind-the-scenes video taken down.

GODDAMMIT CARTOON NETWORK (http://yamino.tumblr.com/post/10779827940/stephadoodle-mathmatical-behind-the-scenes-on)

I HATE HOMOPHOBIA

EDIT: From what I hear they went so far as to pull the whole episode and are pretending it didn't happen.

Fuck Cartoon Network.

[Aerozord]

really? Odd I didn't get any sexual/romantic subtext out of that exchange at all.

[Fifthfiend]

EDIT: From what I hear they went so far as to pull the whole episode and are pretending it didn't happen.

Fuck Cartoon Network.

Wurp?

I watched on like, On Demand last night.

[Kim]

Okay yeah I checked and it sounds like they just pulled the "Mathematical" episode for that episode of Adventure Time. I guess Mathematical is the behind-the-scenes thing they do?

[Kim]

But I'm also hearing they pulled the actual actual episode of their site?

[Fifthfiend]

Who knows.

It sure is something that CN would lose its biscuits over two girls maybe liking each other but not the constant romantic subtext between two adult women and the (would be a) middleschooler (if any schools remained in the post-apocalyptic world of freaks and weirdos).

[Bard The 5th LW]

My mom mentions that she and my brother watched the episode, but she didn't recall the exchange with Marceline and Bubblegum.

[Kim]

Very frustrated because of what it looks like but I'm gonna calm down and wait a bit until more details surface. That said, if it is what it looks like Cartoon Network can die in a fucking fire.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just watched it on DVR, pretty hilarious. Haven't heard about it being pulled though.

e: nvm, I see what you guys are talking about now. It was the behind the scenes that got removed, not the episode

[Aerozord]

Who knows.

It sure is something that CN would lose its biscuits over two girls maybe liking each other but not the constant romantic subtext between two adult women and the (would be a) middleschooler (if any schools remained in the post-apocalyptic world of freaks and weirdos).

with their recent programming, I think CN itself couldn't care less. Or even enjoys seeing what they can get away with. If anything gets pulled, my money is one someone making a stink about it. With that its more what they pick out, so I dont think logic applies

[RickZarber]

Here (http://adventuretimeart.frederator.com/) is the official deal, for the record:

Well, I completely screwed up.

There’s been chatter on the internet recently about our latest Adventure Time “Mathematical!” video recap that we created, posted, and removed here at Federator. I figure it’s time to clear up the matter.

In trying to get the show’s audience involved we got wrapped up by both fan conjecture and spicy fanart and went a little too far. Neither Cartoon Network nor the Adventure Time crew had anything to do with putting up or taking down our latest re-cap. The episode ”What was Missing” remains a terrific short and will be shown again and again just like any other Adventure Time episode.

I let us goof in a staggering way and I’m deeply sorry it’s become such a distraction for so many people.

—Fred Seibert

[Locke cole]

Oh, well, good. Good to know it wasn't executive politics or anything.

[Kim]

Now I'm just kind of depressed.

I'm glad to know that it wasn't a case of someone shutting down a possible relationship, but at least when I thought it was there was the feeling that some people were trying to be more progressive with children's entertainment and give LGB youth a relationship they could identify with. Now that feeling is gone, replaced with the knowledge that the closest we've come is a one-off joke in a behind-the-scenes video.

[Fifthfiend]

IDK, the subtext is still totally, totally there.

[Kim]

When a video that seemed to make the subtext into text is taken down for differing from the intentions of the series' creators, I'm not sure I can really look at the subtext that way any more.

[Token]

Frankly, the over-the-top fan outrage towards the perceived censorship has been one of the most hilarious clusterfucks I have ever witnessed. The episode was good, and I didn't really see the subtext, after all, this is a show all about the power of Bros. It's not far-fetched for Marceline and PB to have been bros. but eh. Even if I did, I wouldn't be surprised the video was taken down.

[Marelo]

The problem wasn't the idea of them being in a relationship or wanting to be (because the subtext is totally there; I think it's pretty hard to read the lyrics in any other way). The problem with the Frederator video, the reason one of the creators expressed distaste for it, was the sensationalist treatment of the subtext.

I personally think it was a pretty garish leap from "There's subtext about Marceline having feelings for Bubblegum" to "WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE TOTALLY IN LOVE, FANS," especially considering the lack of input from the actual creators of the show.

Then there's the aforementioned rumors that got passed around without any sort of verification. I think the idea of Cartoon Network pulling an episode of one of their most successful original shows ever just because of some non-hetero romantic subtext, when AT gets away with so, so very much, as do other programs, was just kind of silly on the face of it! The episode ran paired with another episode a few days later, like usual, unless my DVR is magic. On the whole, the outrage felt like a game of activism telephone, more concerned with anger than enlightened justice.

It's kind of a shame, because I feel like it buried a lot of good discussion that could have come from the episode. The pain Finn's feeling in his awkward position among his older friends, and with Bubblegum in particular, came out all at once. And, on top of that, he asked them to start treating him with the respect he has earned instead of the condescension he tends to get. Also, did you notice that because Finn said he wouldn't fake the song, he didn't use his autotune voice?

I didn't see anyone talking about that on Tumblr or anywhere else, all because of a big ol' raging overreaction to something that didn't even happen the way the rumors had it.

Edit: I forgot how stupid the name on this account was...

[Aerozord]

"mathmatical" actually reminds me of those gossip news shows. Which I think was the idea. And just like those types of shows it was more about stirring things up from conjecture then in any way being legitimate insight.

If there was one thing about relationship complexity I found interesting it would be Finn and Bubblegum, to be more exact the lack there of.

When they were the same age their affection for one another was obvious. Though the moment she became older it was gone. Which to me shows that age gap really is whats keeping her away. Its not even like a societal constraints, its really an automatic dismissal of someones feelings based purely on a single factor, which apparently for her is even alterable

[Betty Elms]

Here (http://adventuretimeart.frederator.com/post/10825331450/well-i-completely-screwed-up-theres) is the official deal, for the record

Well then Fred Seibert is kind of a piece of shit.

I mean, maybe they did take it down because the episode's writer didn't agree with something the video presented as conjecture. But that's not what "I let us goof in a staggering way and I’m deeply sorry it’s become such a distraction for so many people" says. I don't quite see how one can see that sentence in that context as referring to anything other than the appropriateness of homosexuality in children's entertainment.

The stand that Seibert's taken could be anywhere between "I'm a TV producer and controversy is scary" and "FUCKIN' QUEEEEERS," but as far as I'm concerned it all falls decidedly within a spectrum of dickishness.