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Betty Elms
11-11-2011, 01:48 AM
Tow Mater, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Tow-may-ter: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of two steps down the palate to tap, at two, on the teeth. Tow. May. Ter.
He was Tow, plain Tow, in the morning, standing seven feet ten in one tire. He was Mater at work. He was also Mater on the dotted line. But in my arms he was always Tow Mater.

Today I saw Cars 2. This is personally noteworthy as it marks the first time I chose not to see a Pixar movie when it was in theaters, a decision I made with no lack of pain. Tears were shed. Countless apologies were issued to the life-size Brad Bird doll in my closet, crafted from the stitched together skins of my stuffed childhood toys. His LED eyes lit up, and their stare was hard and unforgiving. I could feel his (supposedly accidental) Randian judgment. But at long last I feel redeemed, as Cars 2 is pretty balls.

There are many reasons for this distinct taste of balls, the gags, the story, so on and so forth. Chief amongst these scrotacular Things That Don't Work is the character of Mater, who has been promoted from goofy supporting character who isn't-actually-good-in-any-doses-but-at-least-they're-giving-him-to-us-in-small-ones to the venerable rank of Main Character. (Owen Wilson gets first billing, but that's a formality. There's like five times as much Mater.) One of the big problems with Mater is that he's Larry the Cable Guy, and being Larry the Cable Guy is a rather difficult sort of setback to overcome because fuck Larry the Cable Guy. I suppose I can (and do) take umbrage over the fact that John Lasseter sees somebody whose response to the Abu Ghraib photos was
It was hysterical. It was the kind of uplifting thing that we here at home needed to see… It was nice to see. Some friends and I actually went to Denny's and had a “moons over mihammy" in celebration of it.
and goes MAN GET THIS GUY HIS OWN FUCKIN' MOVIE. However, it would be a little unfair to judge the movie for this, given that Mater is ostensibly a separate fictional character. But that's the thing. Mater IS Larry the Cable Guy, he's spouting all sorts of LtCGisms, from a one off "GIT-R-DONE" to making "THAT'S FUNNY RIGHT THUR" into his own catchphrase as well, he's just Larry the fucking Cable Guy with the edges all tucked away so the kids can love him too! And god damn does this movie want you to love Mater. You're tied up and John Lasseter's got one of those gynaecologist's speculums in your mouth, and he's shoving in one slice of Mater dripping with Materjuice after another and he's shouting "DO YOU LOVE HIM YET?" and you're crying and pleading that yes, yes you do love Mater, and Lasseter's like "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU! MATER LOVES YOU AND YOU SHOULD LOVE MATER!" and eventually it begins to feel like Mater's some kind of metaphor for "Cars" in general, Lasseter's just screaming "YOU BET YOUR ASS I'M MAKING THIS SHIT A FRANCHISE, TALKING CARS GIVE ME A BIG OL' HARD ON." The Matering never stops.

The emotional character arc of this movie is pretty much: Mater is a fucking moron. He's an idiot, and he fucks absolutely everything up. He is an embarrassing obnoxious mess of a sentient automobile, and Lightning McQueen is justifiably sick of Mater's bullshit. The movie hinges upon the assumption that McQueen and Mater make fantastic friends, so the fact that "no, they don't" is a bit of an obstacle that the movie never overcomes. McQueen has to treat him like a child the whole time, because (barring the last act, which depends upon a series of contrivances) Mater can't do anything right ever. In one scene McQueen's hanging out with his friends and then he's like "Oh, I have to go look after Mater because he's going to maim himself if I leave him alone for five minutes" and we're supposed to nod and go "ah yes, that is what friendship is." So eventually Mater ruins McQueen's Big Important Race, and McQueen is like "quit being such an incompetent fuckup," which makes Mater very sad. So rather than changing himself in any way, Mater goes on a journey in which he discovers that as long as 1% of the time you aren't an incompetent fuckup, it's all good. McQueen on the other hand undergoes a change of heart (mostly off screen it seems, because this is Mater Hour at Materopolis, Mater Capital of the World, open mater-four seven, and fuck no we aren't wasting time on that shit) and realizes that ending a friendship is never a good idea ever at all no matter what because friendship is the most important thing regardless of who you're friends with and how fucking awful they are and you certainly shouldn't expect them to ever change themselves so better learn to fucking love it because you're locked into this shit for life.

So we have a big happy ending and everybody loves Mater. Except he's still Larry the Cable Guy the Tow Truck, so I just figure that like right after it cuts to credits he turns to McQueen and starts going off about the muslims and the gays.

There are however, exactly two levels on which this movie works. The most immediately evident is that the visuals are very accomplished, but everybody knew that would be the case. The other is that, remember how in the first Cars (if you saw it) you spend a good chunk of the movie thinking to yourself "wait, how the hell does this universe work?" When it comes to that aspect of the film, Cars 2 is to Cars as methamphetamine is to a moderately caffeinated breakfast tea. So if you're an inquisitive person who spends too much time thinking about world building (and are over the age of 9) that is probably what's going to get you through the movie. One moment Mater's mentioning the Catholicism of the Popemobile, and then I'm spending the next ten minutes imagining what Cars universe Jesus must have been like. He was a cart, right? Did they crucify him? Like through the wheels? Fuck.

Anyway, Brave looks good.

The Sevenshot Kid
11-11-2011, 02:08 AM
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Professor Smarmiarty
11-11-2011, 02:47 AM
Did I get real boozed last night and log in as Betty Elms?

Kyanbu The Legend
11-11-2011, 03:19 AM
Man people really seem to love that tow truck. Mater of meh to me. But he grew a little on me when I saw the first Cars movie a second time (unintentionally but still enjoyed it).

But you still couldn't pay me enough to watch Cars 2 though. I just can't watch it, I just can't. Wouldn't even make it past the intro scene.

Betty Elms
11-11-2011, 06:35 PM
Did I get real boozed last night and log in as Betty Elms?
Probably not, but I did.

But you still couldn't pay me enough to watch Cars 2 though. I just can't watch it, I just can't. Wouldn't even make it past the intro scene.
The intro scene was pretty okay actually. It's just Michael Caine being a car who does rad shit, and I am fine with that. It also introduces gun battles and vaguely graphic car death, two concepts sadly lacking from the original that Cars 2 has chosen to usher in with gleeful abandon.

Professor Smarmiarty
11-11-2011, 09:49 PM
Like I'm not a big pixar fan but like if they just took great films and turned them into hilarious cartoons it would be splendidballs.
Firt up I suggst manchurian candidate- like as Sinatra you could have a wise cracking confident front man- rest of the characters I'll leave pretty much same.
and he and all his friends are cats but infiltrting society are some squirrels and there is a big hunt for squirrels- we can putsome racism shit in there- and then like sinatra falls in love like the regular movie but instead with a squirrel this time- what a twist- and instead of solitaire they play with a ball of string and squirrels hypnotise with nuts ona string obv.. And like set the whole thing instead of on like a train and an appartment set it under a bridge and in an alley.
And lie manchurian candidate did a lot of interesting intersectioins of light/colour/music, imma do the same thing but with the added dimenions of animation properties- instead of light interestions- because low lit animation can be hit or miss- i'd intersect perspective with colour and music, just a little, not enough to be distracting but enough so your brain goes wahey.

or fire the whole team, get in svankmeyer- do it all with puppets.

TDK
11-11-2011, 11:26 PM
IMO the saddest part about Larry the Cable Guy is that he is a character, not a person. The actual dude is named Daniel something-or-other and actually appears to be a somewhat competent actor who does not speak like a moron.

And yet he chooses to do so. It confounds me.

EVILNess
11-11-2011, 11:29 PM
And yet he chooses to do so. It confounds me.

I would speak like a moron too if I were making millions to do such.

TDK
11-11-2011, 11:38 PM
Then you have no integrity.

phil_
11-12-2011, 12:05 AM
Then you have no integrity.http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/100/230x306/100239_paul-reubens-as-pee-wee-herman-at-spike-tvs-guys-choice-awards-in-2007.jpg

Betty Elms
11-12-2011, 12:14 AM
Like I'm not a big pixar fan but like if they just took great films and turned them into hilarious cartoons it would be splendidballs.
Well A Bug's Life is very blatantly Seven Samurai. Cars is infamously identical to Doc Hollywood, which isn't a great movie, but it is a movie. It's a shame they didn't decide to rip off a great movie, because I would totally love to see Andrei Rublev with anthropomorphic cars. Up is only a few insanity notches away from Fitzcarraldo, but that's unintentional.

Also I can't help but feel like Ratatouille, while possibly my favorite Pixar movie, is The Fountainhead but with rats and cooking.

IMO the saddest part about Larry the Cable Guy is that he is a character, not a person. The actual dude is named Daniel something-or-other and actually appears to be a somewhat competent actor who does not speak like a moron.
And because of that whenever you say "this guy's What the hell is this the cartoon network? The Republicans had a muslim give the opening prayer at there convention! What the hell's going on around here! Is Muslim now the official religion of the United States!... First these peckerheads fly planes into towers and now theys prayin' before conventions! People say not all of em did that and I say who gives a rats fat ass! That's a fricken slap in the face to New York city by having some muslim sum-bitch give the invocation at the republican convention! This country pretty much bans the Christian religion (the religion of George Washington and John Wayne) virtually from anything public and then they got us watchin' this muslim BS!! Ya wanna pray to allah then drag yer flea infested ass over to where they pray to allah at! is fucking terrible and he's at times racist, misogynist, xenophobic, or mildly homophobic" people will often go "no no that's just his character. IT'S SATIRE." But he's playing for a crowd who sincerely thinks all those things, and he sincerely thinks at least many of those things, and I'm expected to figure that just because he puts on a stupid accent he's suddenly Jonathan Swift.

Fifthfiend
11-12-2011, 12:35 AM
Ratatouille can't be Fountainhead because cooking necessarily involves doing something for the pleasure of other people.

Fifthfiend
11-12-2011, 12:41 AM
Like if the rat cooked the most delicious soup in the world and let people lift up a spoonfull almost to their lips and then yanked the hapless kid's hair to make him slap the spoon out of the person's hand and then popped out from under the guy's hat and screamed in rat language FOR MY GLORY ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then Ratatouille could be a Rand novel.

Magus
11-12-2011, 01:46 AM
Tow Mater, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Tow-may-ter: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of two steps down the palate to tap, at two, on the teeth. Tow. May. Ter.
He was Tow, plain Tow, in the morning, standing seven feet ten in one tire. He was Mater at work. He was also Mater on the dotted line. But in my arms he was always Tow Mater.

My eyebrows have traveled all the way to the back of my bald head!

Professor Smarmiarty
11-12-2011, 07:01 AM
Well A Bug's Life is very blatantly Seven Samurai. Cars is infamously identical to Doc Hollywood, which isn't a great movie, but it is a movie. It's a shame they didn't decide to rip off a great movie, because I would totally love to see Andrei Rublev with anthropomorphic cars. Up is only a few insanity notches away from Fitzcarraldo, but that's unintentional.
See I haven't seen most of these because they don't advertise them like that. i tried to watch Up once but i got bored right at the start.
But haven't seen bugs life,cars or ratattouille.
Andrei Rublev with cars would be fantastic but I think they might have trouble pitching like a 3+ hour movie which, contrary to my general rule of more than 90 minutes and you suck, Andrei Rublev needs to be.

Early summer but with bugs would make a fantastic movie.
Also bicycle thieves would be a good pixar movie, not sure what spin to put on it, if they just took the movie and animated it it would be pretty fantastic already.

E: Also you are nowhere near the fucking insanity of Fitzcarraldo unless they actually built a real house and floated it with balloons to south america or whereever they go in up. Cause fuck that movie is insane.

EVILNess
11-12-2011, 07:17 AM
Then you have no integrity.

I could live with the knowledge I had no integrity, as long as I had mountains of money to keep me warm at night.

TDK
11-12-2011, 10:17 AM
I could live with the knowledge I had no integrity, as long as I had mountains of money to keep me warm at night.

Yes, that is what having no integrity means. It is also called being a sellout.


E: Also you are nowhere near the fucking insanity of Fitzcarraldo unless they actually built a real house and floated it with balloons to south america or whereever they go in up. Cause fuck that movie is insane.

Up was BOSS.

Professor Smarmiarty
11-12-2011, 10:25 AM
Starting with a montage is a risky move and it doesn't pay off in the case of Up. Like its clearly trying to make me feel for these characters and care about their lives through forced, sentimentality but I had no reason to and didn't give a shit. Themontage basically compresses what would be 30 minutes of character building in other films into a single focused shot of the cares and if it pays off (which pretty mcuh requires your audience to be in the same frame of mind as the characters in your film) then its a fantastic way to set up your movie but if your audience is of a different disposition they spend the next hour going "Fuck this I don't care about these dudes".

Betty Elms
11-12-2011, 12:44 PM
Starting with a montage is a risky move and it doesn't pay off in the case of Up. Like its clearly trying to make me feel for these characters and care about their lives through forced, sentimentality but I had no reason to and didn't give a shit. Themontage basically compresses what would be 30 minutes of character building in other films into a single focused shot of the cares and if it pays off (which pretty mcuh requires your audience to be in the same frame of mind as the characters in your film) then its a fantastic way to set up your movie but if your audience is of a different disposition they spend the next hour going "Fuck this I don't care about these dudes".
I thought it functioned more as economical storytelling. The character building occurs over the course of the remainder of the film, whereas the role of the montage was only to provide a sense of the stakes and motivations of the film. The fact that it might be emotionally effective (or manipulative) in its own right is extraneous to its primary role, which is to contextualize the events of the bulk of the film. That doesn't demand the audience being in the same frame of mind as the characters. Even if the montage fails to bring the viewer to tears or any such, as long as they grow invested in the protagonist over the course of the movie it will succeed in enhancing the viewer's understanding and investment of the protagonist's actions and how events relate to the protagonist.

If there were an extra half hour of him with his wife and her dying, all that would do is make the movie longer. It wouldn't impact the main story or its emotional significance.

TDK
11-12-2011, 01:02 PM
*I* liked the montage.

Amake
11-12-2011, 01:25 PM
I can consistently take whatever Smarty says about a movie, go in the exact opposite direction and find that, yessire, I completely agree with that. I thought the Up intro was fantastic and probably the most intense, genuinely affecting bit of any Pixar movie yet.

Anyway now I think I have to watch Cars 2.

PS. Betty are you hinting that you had a forbidden love affair with a car? If so I suggest writing a book about it, changing the names. That sort of story always seems to find an audience.

phil_
11-12-2011, 01:35 PM
I can consistently take whatever Smarty says about a movie, go in the exact opposite direction and find that, yessire, I completely agree with that.That's a dangerous position to take.Anyway now I think I have to watch Cars 2.See?! See where it leads you?!

Also, fuck you Cars 2, a joke and irony are separate, if related, concepts. They are not dialectically interchangeable. Quit giving children the impression that they are.

The song about Mater and McQueen being in love is pretty good, though, if only to wonder how they got it past LtCG.

Fifthfiend
11-12-2011, 01:36 PM
Did I get real boozed last night and log in as Betty Elms?

I think we can safely say this isn't the case having confirmed that if this were what happened this movie would have been about Up.

Or probably fucking... Wall-E. Or Toy Story 3.

Fifthfiend
11-12-2011, 01:37 PM
Or Toy Story 3.

SMARTYPANTS IS SECRET FORUM CELEBRITY ARMAND WHITE

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Professor Smarmiarty
11-12-2011, 01:56 PM
I thought it functioned more as economical storytelling. The character building occurs over the course of the remainder of the film, whereas the role of the montage was only to provide a sense of the stakes and motivations of the film. The fact that it might be emotionally effective (or manipulative) in its own right is extraneous to its primary role, which is to contextualize the events of the bulk of the film. That doesn't demand the audience being in the same frame of mind as the characters. Even if the montage fails to bring the viewer to tears or any such, as long as they grow invested in the protagonist over the course of the movie it will succeed in enhancing the viewer's understanding and investment of the protagonist's actions and how events relate to the protagonist.

If there were an extra half hour of him with his wife and her dying, all that would do is make the movie longer. It wouldn't impact the main story or its emotional significance.

But you see that doesn't work when the person is no longer watching the movie.
If the character development etc coomes from the rest of the movie we don't need the montage. Just start from after the montage. It'll be much more effective to hint at a past while letting the viewier fill in his own past than shotgunning us down a pixar approved happy but tragic past of their own devising.
And the montage just completely turned me off and stopped me watching the rest of the movie. Because it presented the film as the type of film I don't want to watch- overly maudlin without realy examining where these feelings arise from and playing upon audiences sentimentality buttons for a cheap tear. Maybe the rest of the film is not like this but if that is how you open your film you can't expect me to keep watching. The opening of Up is every sitcom very special episode and the ending of "Old yeller" rolled up into one. And that is not a movie I need to watch because there is a million movies already ike that, it doesn't often anything interesting or new.
Start your movie how you intend to continue.
Though to be completely fair great films should be polarising if they work for every viewer they playing it too safe, the best rating is 5/10 not 10/10 so I will admit that maybe Up is a really good movie in this regard. Not for me.

Also I'm watching Andrei Rublev again while drinking vodka and swearing in Russian, I forgot how fucking fantastic this movie is.

SMARTYPANTS IS SECRET FORUM CELEBRITY ARMAND WHITE

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Nah I'm pretty consistent in what I like and what I hate whereas Amand White is just an RNG.