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Magus
03-16-2012, 12:14 PM
As if seeking to cut college education funding by another whopping 30% across the board (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/03/12/gov-corbett-defends-higher-education-funding-cuts-in-pennsylvania/)(which combined with last year's cuts would increase cuts to an astronomical 50% over the last two years), or routinely denying wheelchair-bound people access to elevators in the Capitol building (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/pa_gov_tom_corbetts_administra.html) were not enough to put Tom Corbett into the record books as one of the most insensitive, incompetent governors in Pennsylvania history (and this is a group that includes Tom Ridge), Corbett recently said women being forced to receive unwanted ultrasounds (which according to the bill in question, could be either transvaginal ultrasounds or exterior ones, as it makes no assignation in the bill), should just "close their eyes" and take it (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/tom-corbett-ultrasound-bill-pennsylvania_n_1348801.html):

During a discussion of a far-reaching mandatory ultrasound bill, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett (R) on Wednesday dismissed off-handedly the insinuation that the measure goes too far, saying, "You just have to close your eyes."

Corbett reaffirmed his support for the "Women's Right to Know" Act, which would require doctors to perform an ultrasound on a patient, offer her two personalized copies of the image and play and describe fetal heartbeat in detail before she can have an abortion -- "as long as it's not obtrusive."

He did not indicate whether or not he considered a transvaginal ultrasound to be an intrusive procedure, which the bill would require doctors to perform on a woman whose fetus is not developed enough to be visible by a regular, "jelly-on-the-belly" ultrasound.

Asked if he thinks the bill goes too far to make a woman look at the ultrasound image, Corbett responded, "You can't make anybody watch, okay? Because you just have to close your eyes. As long as it's on the exterior and not the interior."

Pennsylvania's ultrasound bill, unlike the revised version passed in Virginia, does not specify a type of ultrasound, so the doctor will have to use an "interior" procedure for most first-trimester abortions in order to meet the requirements of the law.

Even if the woman opts to "close [her] eyes," as Corbett suggests, the doctor will have to turn the ultrasound image toward her face, give her two signed copies of the printed image, describe the number of heartbeats per minute and tell her if that's normal or not for a fetus of that age. She then has to wait 24 hours and bring all the signed paperwork and both ultrasound images to her abortion doctor in order to have the procedure legally, and the doctor has to repeat to her the age of the fetus.

The Pennsylvania House postponed a scheduled vote on the bill this week because of "concerns raised by the medical community, among others," according to House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R).

Patrick Murphy, a Democratic candidate for attorney general, called Corbett's comments "disturbingly offensive" and demanded that he apologize to Pennsylvania women.

"It's bad enough that Governor Corbett wants to force women to get an unnecessary and invasive procedure as a means of getting a government permission slip to undergo legal medical care," he said in a statement. "It's worse yet that he wants to shame them by shoving an ultrasound screen in their face. But it's unthinkable that he would so casually dismiss this by advising women to just close their eyes."

It's been astounding to me how my state has become a bastion of right-wing conservatism so quickly. In only two years Corbett has turned this state into a proto-Atlas Shrugged hellhole. But asking women to just "close their eyes" when forced to receive an unwanted, unneeded ultrasound and be forced to look at the images? That's pretty damn low even for this guy.

And everyone from PA who voted for Corbett over Onorato is at fault for this mess, not to mention voting for Toomey over Sestak. We have to put up with this mess for another freaking two years! Another four with Toomey! I don't know if people here are insane or simply stupid.

Listen, Mr. Corbett. You are a terrible governor. And no, we aren't falling for your B.S., either. Do you really think we believe your crap about "increasing school funding by 2% this year" when you cut it by 6% last year, across the board, in every single school district across the state with zero examination of the individual school districts needs? That we can't take 6% and subtract 2% and realize our high schools are still getting a 4% cut this year from two years ago? That your proposal to cut colleges by 50% is not going to ruin the higher educational system in this state?

And now you want women to just "close their eyes" and take unwanted, unneeded state-mandated vaginal probing? You're a fool if you think we're so stupid we can't see what you're doing.

Fifthfiend
03-16-2012, 12:39 PM
Woo, all-out Republican war on modernity!

Satan's Onion
03-16-2012, 02:01 PM
See, when they're violating you and rooting around in your vadge trying to make you feel shameful and wrong and horrible and responsible for a tiny clump of cells you can't take care of for any of a number of reasons, the proper response is to just, y'know, tough it out. Grow some balls, ladies.

edit: After all, it's just so hard for him, having to legislate women's bodily autonomy away, don't you understand his plight?

Fifthfiend
03-16-2012, 03:16 PM
Just to add, while the fact that they're willing to add casual rape to the package goes to show the deep misogyny on which they're based, but these ultrasound bills are atrocious either way, as they're designed to force women to undertake and pay for an expensive medical procedure that they don't need and extend the time before they can have the actual, lawful procedure which they want to undertake, basically all so that state legislatures can scream BABY BABY BABY BABY into women's ears by proxy.

Nique
03-20-2012, 11:35 PM
I am terrified about everything I'm hearing re: women's rights these days.

I guess I'm de facto pro-choice now. Someone throw me a parade or welcome me to the dark side or something.

Shyria Dracnoir
03-20-2012, 11:45 PM
Welcome to the baby-eating liberal conspiracy Nique. We got cookies!

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Kim
03-20-2012, 11:57 PM
And cake!

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rpgdemon
03-21-2012, 12:20 AM
I guess I'm de facto pro-choice now. Someone throw me a parade or welcome me to the dark side or something.

The way I see it, how can you not be pro-choice? Especially as a dude, who will never even have to deal with the legislation. You let them make their decision, since it's not yours to make.

Those who want to not-abort don't have to, and those who want to, can. One side is saying, "Hey, other side, we want to let you do your thing, if that's what you want, so long as you let other people have that same option you had, of choice." The other side is saying, "My choice is the best choice."

I mean, I don't see how you can argue against having a choice, by pushing the choice that you made forward, that you could only have made by having one.

Fifthfiend
03-21-2012, 01:07 PM
I am terrified about everything I'm hearing re: women's rights these days.

I guess I'm de facto pro-choice now. Someone throw me a parade or welcome me to the dark side or something.

Remember those times I was all "yo really nobody really gives a shit about babbys, its all about punishing women for being fOXY sLUNTZ"

and you were all

"NO WAY, THATS CRAZAY"

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche
03-21-2012, 01:21 PM
Remember those times I was all "yo really nobody really gives a shit about babbys, its all about punishing women for being fOXY sLUNTZ"

and you were all

"NO WAY, THATS CRAZAY"

Yeah these people are totally fucking nuts or totally fucking morally reprehensible.
I'm not sure this changes my personal stance on abortion, but it's become far more clear that there's nobody involved in these laws that actually cares about human rights or has any interest in the well being of the people their laws will effect.

Nique
03-21-2012, 02:17 PM
Remember those times I was all "yo really nobody really gives a shit about babbys, its all about punishing women for being fOXY sLUNTZ"

and you were all

"NO WAY, THATS CRAZAY"

I totally do remember that.

And to answer rpg's question; individual pro-life folks are so because they don't understand that their are a variety of reasons someone might need to have an abortion, like, for example purely medical, life saving reasons that almost no one would object to. They also don't understand that the form the legislation they support takes is a violation of basic womens rights.

Like, imagine having to induce labor early to save the mother's life and suddenly she's subject to what amounts to a murder investigation.

Then of course there's the whole birth control issue which is freaking nuts. Do you know there is literally a realativly painless implant that prevents pregnancy 100% guaranteed? Why someone who is anti-abortion wouldn't want that covered by every health plan ever is totally beyond me.

DarkDrgon
03-21-2012, 04:29 PM
Then of course there's the whole birth control issue which is freaking nuts. Do you know there is literally a realativly painless implant that prevents pregnancy 100% guaranteed? Why someone who is anti-abortion wouldn't want that covered by every health plan ever is totally beyond me.

everyone I talked to is against it because its an "early abortion". Yes, those exact words. several times.

Kim
03-21-2012, 04:37 PM
Basically, they're against it because it doesn't let them punish women for having sex, which is what being "pro-life" has always really been about regardless.

Nique
03-21-2012, 04:51 PM
Well then what those people really want is to continue the "family value" of subjugating women by treating them as breeding stock. Notice that no one is trying to outlaw condoms.

Magus
03-21-2012, 05:12 PM
everyone I talked to is against it because its an "early abortion". Yes, those exact words. several times.

lolwut? An IUD prevents pregnancy by killing or weakening sperm before they ever even get near an egg. It's less of an "early abortion" than even the morning-after pill that keeps the fertilized egg from adhering to the uterine wall (something the female body does naturally all the time on its own, of course).

Ask them how they feel about a woman having their tubes tied or a man having a vasectomy. If they don't care about the second one they are a straight up misogynist.

I guess every time someone masturbates they're committing an even earlier early abortion, too. Then again I guess if someone is this far gone they would probably like to outlaw masturbation, too, sooo...chastity belts for everyone!

Nique
03-21-2012, 05:23 PM
Our sperm will be laughing at us from heaven as we burn eternally.

Magus
03-21-2012, 05:27 PM
Our sperm will be laughing at us from heaven as we burn eternally.

I dunno, what's the age of accountability for sperm? It must be measured in minutes instead of years like humans. Many of my sperm may be rotting in hell currently for having committed uncleansed sins during their short time on earth. And how does one even tell a sperm about Jesus?!

Satan's Onion
03-21-2012, 07:05 PM
I dunno, what's the age of accountability for sperm? It must be measured in minutes instead of years like humans. Many of my sperm may be rotting in hell currently for having committed uncleansed sins during their short time on earth. And how does one even tell a sperm about Jesus?!

I imagine your various exudations are as sinful, or sinless, as you are. Therefore, if they're damned, it's entirely your fault. So what sins have you committed lately? WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING TO MAKE BABY JESUS CRY YOU SINNER

Yeah these people are totally fucking nuts or totally fucking morally reprehensible.
I'm not sure this changes my personal stance on abortion, but it's become far more clear that there's nobody involved in these laws that actually cares about human rights or has any interest in the well being of the people their laws will effect.

Now see, I for one got no problem with you not feeling like abortions are nice things. The problem is when those feelings, along with a heapin' helpin' of slut-shame and patriarchs of the patriarchy patriarchin' it up in protect-the-patriarchy mode, are transmuted through the power of selfish, vicious, petty shitheadedness into laws--well, that's when everything gets all kinds of fucked up.

Osterbaum
03-21-2012, 09:45 PM
lolwut? An IUD prevents pregnancy by killing or weakening sperm before they ever even get near an egg.
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Betty Elms
03-22-2012, 03:09 PM
I really sincerely hope that republicans AREN'T doing this for "the baaaabies." If they're doing it for the little fetus things, then that means they must have some understanding of why an abortion is often an extremely traumatic experience and that what they're primarily doing is exacerbating or prompting this trauma in women. Which can and should be considered torture.

I would like it if this is just old men going "yo fuck women let's make shit harder for them" without even the faintest understanding of what it is like to undergo an abortion and the psychological implications of the bill they're passing. Because I already know that setting the clock back on women's rights is what gets them all hot and bothered, their ancient pallid cocks standing upright, that's old hat by now. But if they really care about the babies, then they must have some awareness that they're saying "MAYBE WE CAN STOP SOME ABORTIONS BY TORTURING WOMEN." Which is deeply unsettling.

So yeah, without even getting into the endoscopic ultrasounds, anyone who supports these measures supports the torture of law abiding US citizens.

Professor Smarmiarty
03-22-2012, 03:25 PM
these measures supports the torture of law abiding US citizens.

No you see attempted murder/murder is a crime. And criminals aren't people. So torture is a-ok.
Its totalllly consitent.

Nique
03-22-2012, 04:04 PM
It takes some understanding to realize that pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion or endorsing abandonment of personal responsibilty.

Unless the 'pro-life' side of the argument started introducing competent understand and specificity in the kind of legislation they want rather than to broadly target women's rights and health, in which case they would effectively be a branch of pro-chioce, I can't identify with such a stance. Likes I says, if they really want to stop abortions then they nerd ro bite the bullet and endorse east-coast-intellectualist-hippie-socialized-communist-Obamacare. Also Stalin, and Mao.