"James Bond 23" or "Skyfall"

[Seil]

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The Bond:

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Daniel Craig

The Bond Girls:

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Bérénice Marlohe, Naomie Harris, Tonia Sotiropoulou

The Villains:

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Ralph Fiennes, Javier Bardem



...Well... all I have to say on this is...

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[stefan]

krylo, get the fuck in here and post a happy asian gif

[mauve]

From what I've read, James Bond no longer drinks martinis, shaken-not-stirred or otherwise. Heineken bought the rights for product placement in Skyfall, so guess what James' new favorite drink will be. This depresses me.

[Arcanum]

Was never a fan of Craig's Bond, and every time I hear of a new Bond movie I keep hoping the folks in charge have replaced him. Oh well, maybe next movie.

From what I've read, James Bond no longer drinks martinis, shaken-not-stirred or otherwise. Heineken bought the rights for product placement in Skyfall, so guess what James' new favorite drink will be. This depresses me.

This just makes everything worse :(

[Professor Smarmiarty]

OKkkk, let's do some bond educationnnnnnn.
Here is the correct order of bond films from ok to shitttt
Original Casino Royale>MoonRaker>Moore Films>Connery Films>ALl the other films> Craig Films.

This film stars Craig
And thus is shit.
No more discussion.

[Aldurin]

"James Bond - Skyrim" anyone? Because that may end up being a better thing to fund.

[Osterbaum]

I thought the Casino Royale one was pretty good.

[BitVyper]

Guys I dunno, I'm watching some bits out of the 1967 Casino Royale, and I think Smarty might be right.

[Satan's Onion]

From what I recall, 1967's Casino Royale was rather flawed as a movie, but was an amazing fever dream.

[Azisien]

I've learned years ago to pretty much reverse whatever Smarty said about a piece of media and that's the correct opinion.

Although in this case that doesn't explain Die Another Day. Godfuck what was that shit

[Seil]

Don't get me wrong, I love Peter Sellers, but anything with like, 12 active directors and tens of re-writes is probably going to be terrible. Which it was.

Apparently, to those who read the original books, Craig is more in the vein of the traditional Bond - a brutish killer turned suave spy. That being said, the best three Bond actors are:

Connery
Dalton
Craig

Just because if you've only done one movie, you don't count, and Moore made the whole thing seem jokey.

Which people will argue that the series is jokey anyway, but they're summer blockbusters and awesome spy movies, there's a suspension of disbelief. They're awesome.

[RickZarber]

To me, Bond is like Batman; I'm willing to accept multiple interpretations of various seriousness, as long as it's all fun.

But Die Another Day was terrible. Just terrible.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Don't get me wrong, I love Peter Sellers, but anything with like, 12 active directors and tens of re-writes is probably going to be terrible. Which it was.

Apparently, to those who read the original books, Craig is more in the vein of the traditional Bond - a brutish killer turned suave spy. That being said, the best three Bond actors are:

Connery
Dalton
Craig

Just because if you've only done one movie, you don't count, and Moore made the whole thing seem jokey.

Which people will argue that the series is jokey anyway, but they're summer blockbusters and awesome spy movies, there's a suspension of disbelief. They're awesome.

Yu are missing an important rubric- the original books were shit.
Thus the further away from them, the better you are.

[Magus]

OKkkk, let's do some bond educationnnnnnn.
Here is the correct order of bond films from ok to shitttt
Original Casino Royale>MoonRaker>Moore Films>Connery Films>ALl the other films> Craig Films.

This film stars Craig
And thus is shit.
No more discussion.

Moonraker? Seriously?

...Moonraker?

SMARTY, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD. YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN!

EDIT: On a serious note, I liked the two Timothy Dalton ones quite a bit (The Living Daylights, Licence to Kill), but how can Goldfinger not be at the top of everyone's list, even yours, Smarty?

Also Casino Royale (the Craig one) is fine to me. I thought Quantum of Solace was pretty bad, though. Not Die Another Day bad, but bad. They spent all that time channeling The Bourne Identity with the first one, then the second one had a bunch of silly set pieces based on the four Greek elements, culminating with a scene set in apparently the most dangerous hotel ever built. It's not as bad as the myriad sillinesses of Die Another Day, which killed the Brosnan franchise and made the movies skip an installment for the first time in history (there has been a James Bond movie every two years since Dr. No except for the gap between Die Another Day and Casino Royale) but it's more in the same vein.

ANOTHER EDIT:

Guys I dunno, I'm watching some bits out of the 1967 Casino Royale, and I think Smarty might be right.

I don't really take issue with this, it's a very different film tonally (a comedy instead of an action movie), and it does have the most Bonds of any Bond movie. So if Smarty wants to say it's the best that's...fine. Moonraker, though...that's just Smarty playing mind games with us. It has to be. IT HAS TO BE

[Krylo]

Guys I dunno, I'm watching some bits out of the 1967 Casino Royale, and I think Smarty might be right.

That's not the important part. This is:

This film stars Craig
And thus is shit.
No more discussion.

And he is right.

Speaking of: krylo, get the fuck in here and post a happy asian gif
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[BitVyper]

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[Krylo]

That cartoon would be way better if it was a different kid in every episode.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

James Bond films are supposed to be about ridiculous nonsense. Moonraker is themost ridiculous of the non Casino Royale bond films and thus it is clearly the best.
If I want a serious gritty spy film I'll watch a serious gritty spy film. If I want ridiculous stunts, crazy gadgets, insane over the top villains and sexy women I'll watch a bond film and Moonraker provides all these in the largest helping of insanity you can find.

[Magus]

James Bond films are supposed to be about ridiculous nonsense. Moonraker is themost ridiculous of the non Casino Royale bond films and thus it is clearly the best.
If I want a serious gritty spy film I'll watch a serious gritty spy film. If I want ridiculous stunts, crazy gadgets, insane over the top villains and sexy women I'll watch a bond film and Moonraker provides all these in the largest helping of insanity you can find.

Die Another Day should be like, number 3 on your list, then.

EDIT: I'll agree to disagree if you will at least cite Live and Let Die as the best Moore Bond film (after Moonraker), then.

[Seil]

You are all wrong - the worst Bond is Diamonds Are Forever.

Eugh,

[All Mankind]

From what I've read, James Bond no longer drinks martinis, shaken-not-stirred or otherwise. Heineken bought the rights for product placement in Skyfall, so guess what James' new favorite drink will be. This depresses me.
We are not amused.

In fact this datum alone makes me question why Agent Bond ever became such a fixture in my culture. Why did I need his traditional martinis; his gadgets, his women, his boyish adventures? No more than a security blanket. Let us thank the James Bond franchise for finally opening our eyes to its redundancy, and then put it away with our childish things. Surely there are more worthwhile things to pursue, even for light entertainment?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Die Another Day should be like, number 3 on your list, then.

EDIT: I'll agree to disagree if you will at least cite Live and Let Die as the best Moore Bond film (after Moonraker), then.

Die another day is terrible. Shitty cgi and they didn't go over the top in the correct way. Car chases are boring and invisible car chases are even worse. If you can make stuff invisible you make theevil fortress invisible and the bad guy invisible. The only poit of cars is to look at them, making it invisible is like the dullest use of invisible technolgoy.
Also there was no seen of outrunning the space laser with it burning a hole behind them. And no scene of Bond reprogramming the space laser to heat up his drink. And the bad dude wasn't cartoonishly over the top and only wanted to murder a few koreans. And the bond girls were fugly.

Live and let die is fucking ace though.

[Magus]

Die another day is terrible. Shitty cgi and they didn't go over the top in the correct way. Car chases are boring and invisible car chases are even worse. If you can make stuff invisible you make theevil fortress invisible and the bad guy invisible. The only poit of cars is to look at them, making it invisible is like the dullest use of invisible technolgoy.
Also there was no seen of outrunning the space laser with it burning a hole behind them. And no scene of Bond reprogramming the space laser to heat up his drink. And the bad dude wasn't cartoonishly over the top and only wanted to murder a few koreans. And the bond girls were fugly.

Didn't a laser follow right along behind the plane at the end? Also, if you remember, the bad dude was a cartoonishly over-the-top Briton who used to be a cartoonishly over-the-top Korean dictator (before plastic surgery). Seems like this would make it zany enough.

Live and let die is fucking ace though.

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[Professor Smarmiarty]

Man I don't remember the laser chasing the plane- I take that bit back.
The villain was boring though. He didn't talk a lot. He just glowered. And he had diamonds in his head but they didn't refract into lasers. He should have had them in his hand then use them to scratch people to death.

[RickZarber]

First official poster:
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First teaser trailer goes live on Monday!

[Xellos]

Is he in the barrel of that gun? Apparently now bond doesn't even need to shoot you. He'll just waltz up and detonate it from the inside, obviously using some government designed shrink-ray-watch-coffeemaker.

[Magus]

Clearly a lot of thought and artistic genius were put into this poster.

[RickZarber]

Hm, ya'll are a lot more critical of the poster than I was. I thought it had a nice "classic" feel appropriate for the 50th anniversary of the franchise.

Anyways, who cares, because the teaser trailer is here!

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To quote reviewer Garth Franklin: "Beautifully colourful and rich shot compositions without a shaky cam in sight - glorious."

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Man I don't remember the laser chasing the plane- I take that bit back.
The villain was boring though. He didn't talk a lot. He just glowered. And he had diamonds in his head but they didn't refract into lasers. He should have had them in his hand then use them to scratch people to death.

He was the Oddjob of the villainous pair.

[Magus]

That movie was definitely channeling the wackier James Bond movies because I the movie-goer am supposed to suspend my disbelief enough to believe that you can take a North Korean dictator and flawlessly alter his looks, personality, voice, and accent enough in like, six months to make him a perfect doppelganger for a British nobleman (and teach him impeccable fencing!).

[Betty Elms]

"Beautifully colourful and rich shot compositions without a shaky cam in sight - glorious."
Well it's shot by Roger Deakins. It could easily end up the most technically accomplished Bond film yet in terms of photography.

Friend of mine is part of the main cast so I hope the movie's good for him. Although I guess it's less one of those "oh man it would be cool if this helped your career" type deals and more "haha yeah you lucky piece of shit have fun with your job being locked on the rails to awesometown."

[Magus]

Hm, ya'll are a lot more critical of the poster than I was. I thought it had a nice "classic" feel appropriate for the 50th anniversary of the franchise.

My main criticism was it looked like it took literally five seconds to think up. More of a teaser poster like the teaser trailer you linked, doesn't actually tell you anything except HEY LOOK ANOTHER JAMES BOND MOVIE OUT SOON. So I guess it serves its purpose. I'd expect a better poster out eventually (cover art type stuff y'know?)

[RickZarber]

Well it's shot by Roger Deakins. It could easily end up the most technically accomplished Bond film yet in terms of photography.Ooh, I hadn't read that! My expectations are getting dangerously high now...
My main criticism was it looked like it took literally five seconds to think up. More of a teaser poster like the teaser trailer you linked, doesn't actually tell you anything except HEY LOOK ANOTHER JAMES BOND MOVIE OUT SOON. So I guess it serves its purpose. I'd expect a better poster out eventually (cover art type stuff y'know?)Well, yes, exactly. It's just a teaser poster. I mean, just for reference, this was the first Die Another Day poster:

[Magus]

Yeah but that poster there shows way more thought and creativity. It's referencing the ice palace, for one thing. Like they put way more thought into that than they did for that one that was posted for Skyfall, I'll say that, even if it was for a pretty terrible movie.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Man putting Roger Deakins on the cameras is the surest way to get me not to watch. Man why can't we make a Bond movie as a fucking Bond movie. Ohhhh gotta be gritty. Like Batman. That sold heaps of tickets right.
Fuck off.

[RickZarber]

Fuck off.

That's a little strong, dude. :ohdear: Not sure why you feel the need to shit all over every little thing. I mean, are you just trolling for arguments? 'Cause while part of my wants to argue over that, the majority is just like, what's the fucking point? We get it, you hate everything. I just can't (and never will) understand the intensity.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I don't hate everything. I like heaps of the bond movies.
What I don't like is people trying to turn Bond movies into more contemplative, more angsty, more meaningful dramas. There are billions of spy films like that.
It's a complete destruction of a franchise to go along with popular trends. Like I want a new Bond movie, what I don't want is a new Bond movie as done by the Coen brothers.
Is it really wrong to want difference in my movies and not to have the same movies released over and over and over again in the cinema.
Turning James Bond all serious is like if they make Godfather 4 and its a slapstick comedy but not awesome.

[Betty Elms]

It's a complete destruction of a franchise to go along with popular trends. Like I want a new Bond movie, what I don't want is a new Bond movie as done by the Coen brothers.
I'm beginning to feel like your apparent unawareness as to what a Coen brothers film actually is is some kind of running joke.

[Seil]

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[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm beginning to feel like your apparent unawareness as to what a Coen brothers film actually is is some kind of running joke.

Wait, a "Coen brothers film" is a film made by the Coen brothers right? It's not some kind of code is it? Fuck this always happens to me.
Man I just want to be cool you guys. Let me in...

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Wait wait wait, I think I get what Betty is saying.
George Clooney was in Batman and Robin so that was the Coen Brothers Batman right?

[Magus]

Well True Grit had a lot of comic relief in it. And Raising Arizona was a comedy. They aren't always super gritty, is probably the problem with your comparison, Smarty. You'd be better off picking a particular movie that you think they shouldn't make it like, like No Country for Old Men, or the Jason Bourne movies.

[RickZarber]

Also I feel like Deakins' skill as a cinematographer is in shot compositions, which I'm not really sure how that equates with a necessary direction for the film? Like, has he made "gritty" looking films? Sure. Does that necessarily mean Skyfall will look gritty--regardless of the tone of the story?

(I apologize if this isn't quite coherent; I'm half asleep.)

[Betty Elms]

Well True Grit had a lot of comic relief in it. And Raising Arizona was a comedy. They aren't always super gritty, is probably the problem with your comparison, Smarty.
If by "not always," you mean "almost never, with perhaps the exceptions of Blood Simple and No Country." The latter of which is of course more indicative of the style of Cormac McCarthy.

Like, the vast majority of their films are comedies. Using the Coens as an example of humorless angsty and self-serious filmmaking is just a weird way of going about saying "I don't know who the Coen brothers are, they made The Matrix, right?"

[Magus]

Well they have lots of dramatic films as well, but they always leaven their movies with comic relief and so to say they are the same kind of uber-serious films as Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace is wrong, yeah. In fact their movies seem to be more self-aware than anything--look at Miller's Crossing, which basically calls attention to its own Mafia-film tropes and subverts them.

Basically they seem overly gritty because their most famous movies are Fargo and No Country For Old Men.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Calling your movie a comedy don't actually make it a comedy. But...
like my super-serious grim gritty remark was meant to be read seperately from my Coen brothers remark. I just put that in because it's being filmed by their chief camera dude and I like saying the Coens are dicks. It was good old fashioned slander. NPF you used to be cool.
Like it should have been pretty obvious seeing as "grim and gritty" and Coens don't make no sense. Even No Country wasnt grim and gritty and people calling it such above are the ones I would question about having seen the Coen films. Cause thats pretty ridic label to give it.
My complaints were A) Bond films are too stupid and serious nowadays
and B) Deakins is a wanker and makes wanky films. Also he probably eats caviar and the skin of baby seals.
They were vaguely related in that here is the thought process of the dude making Skyfall:
Man A) Kids love Batman. That was grim and gritty! Let's do that to Bond. well make heaps of money.
Man B) *coked out on heroin*
Man C) Making films is hard though *throws some money in the furnace*
Man B) Gurgle
Man A) We'll just funnell some money at a serious filmmaker. They work for cheap.
Man D) MONEY MONEY MONEY BLURGH BLURGH BLURGH
Man C) Do we know any serious film makers?
Man A) Those dudes who did that film with all the murder were real serious. Let's see which of them we can get
Man C) POWERFIVE
Man A) POWERFIVE..

Man you dudes need to learn how to read a smarty post.
Here is the general guide I use
Serious point made in funny way
Serious point made in stupid way
Serious point made in serious way
Giant rant against people I hate- insert Mensheviks, Coen, Nolan, Tony Blair, Israel. Bonus points if you can relate it to the topic.
Like I've made thousands of posts people. how have you not worked this out. They are all exactly the same (like a Coen brothers film).

If by "not always," you mean "almost never, with perhaps the exceptions of Blood Simple and No Country." The latter of which is of course more indicative of the style of Cormac McCarthy.

Like, the vast majority of their films are comedies. Using the Coens as an example of humorless angsty and self-serious filmmaking is just a weird way of going about saying "I don't know who the Coen brothers are, they made The Matrix, right?"

Nah I'm pretty sure that was Terence Malick. You can't trick me Captain Film!
They did the Garfield movies though right?

[Magus]

Only the sequel, Garfield: A Tale of Two Kitties. Grim and bloody it was, indeed.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Do you know what modern day bond needs? Motherfucking jaws. Bring that sucka back. Instantly improves your movie by 3 levels.

[RickZarber]

I don't think we'll ever agree on Bond in general, but yes.

No recasting either; Richard Kiel is still alive. Jaws would be in his 70s but whatevs.

The part I think we would disagree on is that I would want him played straight like in Spy Who Loved Me, and not (literally) a clown like in Moonraker.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'd be happy with either to be honest. I like both Jaws.

[Magus]

Do you know what modern day bond needs? Motherfucking jaws. Bring that sucka back. Instantly improves your movie by 3 levels.

It took me a second to realize you meant the James Bond villain Jaws and not the shark Jaws. Which is kind of sad in that I forgot about Jaws despite watching the ones with Jaws several times, BUT kind of awesome in that James Bond versus a great white shark is exactly what the next Bond movie needs!