New TDKR Trailer

[RickZarber]

*slides a cold glass across the bar--it teeters on the edge before crashing over, spilling fresh movie trailer all over the place*

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Also just gonna go ahead and get this bit of the conversation out of the way: Smarty thinks this will be shit.


(Alternatively, I considered setting this up as just an all-purpose movie trailer dump / comment thread, since it seems a little thin to create a new one just for this--the last TDKR thread had fallen off the last page, or I'd have used that. I was feeling lazy, but if any mod feels like that's a good/better idea...)

[Seil]

*ahem*

FUCK YEAH!

[Arcanum]

Whyyyyyyyy? Why does the bat-jet look so stupid?

Like yeah I get that it's pretty much "we revamped that armored car/tank you were using as a batmobile to also be a flying armored car/tank" but it still looks stupid.

[Bells]

This is the first time i find out that Cobra Commander is in this movie, had no idea!

[Magus]

This trailer pretty much confirms this is at least partly an adaptation of No Man's Land, what with the bridges cutting off a huge swathe of Gotham from the mainland and the earthquake machine presumably being used to keep the military at bay, while Bane creates a dystopian prison-state that reverses social norms by imprisoning the rich and affluent while setting all the prisoners loose to wreak havoc. Elements of Knightfall are also pretty apparent, obviously.

[Locke cole]

This trailer pretty much confirms this is at least partly an adaptation of No Man's Land, what with the bridges cutting off a huge swathe of Gotham from the mainland and the earthquake machine presumably being used to keep the military at bay, while Bane creates a dystopian prison-state that reverses social norms by imprisoning the rich and affluent while setting all the prisoners loose to wreak havoc. Elements of Knightfall are also pretty apparent, obviously.

That second bit makes sense, when you consider Selina's line from previous trailers about how Bruce will "wonder how you could live so large" and all that jazz.

[Magus]

That second bit makes sense, when you consider Selina's line from previous trailers about how Bruce will "wonder how you could live so large" and all that jazz.

That, and Bruce and Alfred appear to be in an actual prison in many scenes in the last trailer before this one, wearing as they do rags and sadness beards, wandering around a concrete pool with other people looking much the same.

[Kim]

This looks dumb.

[Magus]

This looks dumb.

A measured and intelligent response, we all concur.

[Bells]

i guess it does look a tad underwhelming, but i'm not sure what i wanted from this movie anyway.... It looks like a decent fun movie to watch, but i'm not as psyche about as i was with The Dark Knight...

i still think that Batman is the least interesting thing in any batman movie, and Catwoman looks absolutely dispensable for me on this one... Bane looks interesting, but so far he is pretty much Ras Al'ghul 2.0 for me so far...

I dunno how this is going down, but i still hope it will be good, Batman deserves a decent movie.

Also, i'm still hoping for that Batman Beyond movie where Old Batman is played by Kevin Conroy and Old Joker is played by Mark Hamill

[Locke cole]

Joker never became old in Batman Beyond.

[Azisien]

Christopher Nolan is making a movie so I will probably enjoy watching this one.

[Token]

I think Smarty and Liz are right, but I've had no faith in this one at all, considering how awful TDK was. When Nolan can get Scarecrow right, and get a close enough representation of Ra's, but can't get the fucking JOKER right, I have little faith in his ability to handle Bane and Catwoman. I still think Bane's costume is awful- a Luchador mask might actually be LESS ridiculous than that mess he's got going on. Frankly, I'm glad this is Nolan's last Batman moveie.

[Nique]

Wasn't Nolan's Joker like, universally loved?

[Azisien]

I don't think anyTHING is universally loved, but Joker and TDK in general are about as universally loved as movies get, in my experience.

And I run a movie store so I have experience.

[Token]

It just didn't feel at all like the Joker to me.

[Bells]

i... honestly can't conceive of what a "proper" joker would be to you, to me, the movie one was the most Spot on thing i've ever seen to what the character could look like in a realistic world, that i have trouble imagining any deviation from that.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I think Smarty and Liz are right, but I've had no faith in this one at all, considering how awful TDK was. When Nolan can get Scarecrow right, and get a close enough representation of Ra's, but can't get the fucking JOKER right, I have little faith in his ability to handle Bane and Catwoman. I still think Bane's costume is awful- a Luchador mask might actually be LESS ridiculous than that mess he's got going on. Frankly, I'm glad this is Nolan's last Batman moveie.

What the fuck man? I thought we were cool?

[stefan]

guys, token is just being a hipster about his comics about people in pajamas punching other people with bad fashion sense.

[Token]

Or, maybe, if I'm willing to put my suspension of disbelief away enough to accept a man dressed as a bat who fights crime and works with the police, along with villains who use fear gas and walk around with third degree burns over half of their body, I'm willing to put my suspension of disbelief away long enough to see a proper fucking Joker. For all the BS about how the Nolan movies are "realistic," everyone seems to forget that at its core, the entire fucking premise is uncharacteristic, and maybe that's okay. I mean for fuck's sake, it's been proven time and time again that stories with Joker can be gritty and dark without taking away everything that makes the character recognizable. If being annoyed by that makes me a "hipster," it only goes to show how utterly meaningless that word is.

[phil_]

I'm willing to put my suspension of disbelief away long enough to see a proper fucking Joker. … it's been proven time and time again that stories with Joker can be gritty and dark without taking away everything that makes the character recognizable.But, I mean, movie Joker has the green hair and make up, the laughing, the evil for evil's sake, the expendable goons, the gay for Batman, the homelessness; what's missing? Is it pies and fake pistols?

[tacticslion]

Token: Is it Mark Hamill? It's Mark Hamill isn't it. (Though I'd agree that "hipster" - and "meme" - both seem to be changing meanings and bifurcating in them quickly.)

Regardless, I'm excited about this. Whether it's as good as the other two or not, I don't think it'll matter too much - it will likely still be a good (or at least enjoyable) movie, and I'm stoked. I have no idea when I'll actually get to see it, however.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

New catwoman- horrendously wrong. Catwomen is supposed to be sexy but also to be scary- to be intimidating in her feminity not princess Mia. Even the batman porno got this one right.

Aside from that TDK sucked. It was 2 hours of shitty pop psychology, stilted dialogue, crappy acting, unfollowable fightscenes and "realism" ie things even more fantastical than the comics.

[Locke cole]

Unfavorably comparing something to a porno! Now you know we're gettin' serious.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I should be a movie critic.

[BitVyper]

I have to agree that this Catwoman is shit. Smarty pretty much hit the nail on the head with why. As for Bane.... isn't he supposed to be like... Mexican? Anyway, the mouth thing looks kind of stupid, and it's shit that he's not wearing his luchadore mask, but at least he seems marginally scary.

[Masked Jedi]

So I have a theory. It's a theory I've had for a while, and this trailer (particularly the heavy emphasis on Joseph Gordon-Levitt) really sells it for me.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character becomes Batman over the course of the movie. He's a completely new character and the movie's promotional materials (and choice of villain) have heavily played up this idea of Bruce Wayne being broken and beaten, and Nolan's previous two films have focused heavily on the idea of Batman as an idea to the people of Gotham.

This trailer in particular makes be think that the 'rising' of the title refers not to the end of The Dark Knight and Batman's redemption in the eyes of Gotham, but to Bruce Wayne being completely destroyed by Bain and the ah Ghuls and whoever else shows up in this movie, and Batman coming back strong with another man behind the mask.

I am so fucking excited for this flick. The only other movie this year that I want to see more is the new Tarantino, which (oddly) also has JGL in a supporting role.

[Bells]

So I have a theory. It's a theory I've had for a while, and this trailer (particularly the heavy emphasis on Joseph Gordon-Levitt) really sells it for me.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character becomes Batman over the course of the movie. He's a completely new character and the movie's promotional materials (and choice of villain) have heavily played up this idea of Bruce Wayne being broken and beaten, and Nolan's previous two films have focused heavily on the idea of Batman as an idea to the people of Gotham.

This trailer in particular makes be think that the 'rising' of the title refers not to the end of The Dark Knight and Batman's redemption in the eyes of Gotham, but to Bruce Wayne being completely destroyed by Bain and the ah Ghuls and whoever else shows up in this movie, and Batman coming back strong with another man behind the mask.

I am so fucking excited for this flick. The only other movie this year that I want to see more is the new Tarantino, which (oddly) also has JGL in a supporting role.

that would be the biggest fuck you ever

[Masked Jedi]

You think? It seems to me to be the natural way to end the trilogy, on both a narrative and thematic level. And seeing as they're rebooting Batman after this anyway, Nolan's free to have an ending that radical.

[Magus]

I see JGL as more of a replacement for Gordon, who appears to be the one getting his back broken in this one, at least from the very first teaser that came out. I'm not saying he doesn't hold down the fort while Bruce is in jail with the rest of the rich people, but as Batman? I don't think that'll be how it goes.

Anyway, I can't believe people aren't stoked for this, but then again it has been 4 years since TDK fever, so...and man, people are being pretty judgmental about Catwoman (and Bane, to a lesser extent). A lot of people didn't like Ledger for the Joker either, until the movie came out.

EDIT: Regarding Token's post, I felt the Scarecrow was at least as far away from the comic book version as the Joker was from the comic book version. Hell, I didn't like Scarecrow at all until he showed up in TDK, because then he actually felt like a real villain in his own right.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

New catwoman- horrendously wrong. Catwomen is supposed to be sexy but also to be scary- to be intimidating in her feminity not princess Mia. Even the batman porno got this one right.

As a current teenager, I can say that Anne Hathaway hits all the right notes for me. She was very important in my formative years.

[Masked Jedi]

I don't remember which trailer it was in (or maybe it was some photos - it was promo materials regardless) but there's been images of Christian Bale walking around with a cane. We've also seen repeated images (both in posters and in this trailer) of broken Batman masks, and this trailer has Wayne with a beard, which implies he's not Batman (though that might be a flashback; it looked similar to his Batman Begins beard). This (along with Bane) implies to me that that Wayne gets broken, not Gordon, although it could be both.

[Nique]

As a current teenager, I can say that Anne Hathaway hits all the right notes for me. She was very important in my formative years.

I'll bet.

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[Bells]

well, the beard displays a timeskip of at least a couple of weeks where Batman could be "off the grid" and then he "Rises" as the saviour of Gotham

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[Dracorion]

Oh shit, of course!

That's why he's being so negative even though the movie's obviously going to be the greatest film ever, to throw us off the scent.

It's the perfect crime.

Professor Smarmiarty

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Batman.

[Kim]

As for Bane.... isn't he supposed to be like... Mexican?

Not like this is the first time Nolan's turn a non-white character white.

Anyway, the mouth thing looks kind of stupid, and it's shit that he's not wearing his luchadore mask, but at least he seems marginally scary.I dunno. He didn't really seem scary to me. He was just random dude beating up Batman while wearing something dumb.

Everyone acting like this movie looks like anything but shit is obviously trolling.

[BitVyper]

Yeah, he's sorta reminding me of what they did with Deadpool in the Wolverine movie. AKA: Remove everything interesting about the character and make him into a generic scary guy that isn't really all that scary.

[Masked Jedi]

Yeah, this trailer really didn't sell Bane for me. Mainly because the new version of his voice isn't menacing, it's just kinda lame. I wish they had stuck with the original voice.

[BitVyper]

Honestly, I have less of a problem with him than I do with how bland and cliched Catwoman is coming off.

[Azisien]

This trailer was pretty underwhelming, but that's hardly sufficient to ruin the movie I haven't seen yet. I'll take BB and TDK as evidence Nolan can deliver.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Oh shit, of course!

That's why he's being so negative even though the movie's obviously going to be the greatest film ever, to throw us off the scent.

It's the perfect crime.

Professor Smarmiarty

is

Batman.

Batman is a rich little fucker. Noway I'd be batman. I'd be like an evil wizard living in a cave.

I can't comment on Bane as he wasn't in any of the pornos.
Batman and Robin bane pretty consistently brought the chuckles though. He got a hard road ahead of him to match such standards. The mouth piece is a good start- I hope it spurts water.

[Lumenskir]

Saw this for the first time in the theater, I'm honestly just delighted to see JGL so prominently displayed.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm not because whenever I see his face I get Brick flashbacks.
I'm a survivor.

[Nique]

Not like this is the first time Nolan's turn a non-white character white.


Not that I'm doubting you but I'm not sure what you're referring to?

Also kind of bummed that Levitt is billed as whoever this John Blake character is supposed to be, instead of Tim Drake or something.

[Kim]

Ras Al Ghul ain't supposed to be a white guy, or so I hear.

[Magus]

Hmm, well, part of the Ra's Al Ghul thing is you're supposed to think Ken Watanabe is Ra's Al Ghul at first and Liam Neeson being him is a surprise for the end of the movie, so it's kind of like they paid homage to the fact Ra's was Asian in the comics but also wanted their surprised that their new Ra's Al Ghul/Ducard combined character was actually Liam Neeson all along. I know his second decoy was also Asian, so let's assume in the Nolanverse, where people are not actually immortal, the original Ra's was Asian and the legend surrounding him (since unlike in the comics there is presumably no actual Lazarus pits, although now I heard they brought Liam Neeson back and unless it's entirely for flashbacks maybe they decided to actually make the dude immortal) that he is immortal would require that all his modern decoys also be Asian, apparently.

As for Bane, when I put together everything he's said in all the trailers, it seems like he has an accent of some kind, OR his throat is just hoarse from something to do with the mask. I'm not sure. In any case, he's being played by a white guy so let's just assume that Nolan has changed him to a white guy, and isn't having a white guy play a Latino guy or a Middle Eastern guy.

I don't remember which trailer it was in (or maybe it was some photos - it was promo materials regardless) but there's been images of Christian Bale walking around with a cane. We've also seen repeated images (both in posters and in this trailer) of broken Batman masks, and this trailer has Wayne with a beard, which implies he's not Batman (though that might be a flashback; it looked similar to his Batman Begins beard). This (along with Bane) implies to me that that Wayne gets broken, not Gordon, although it could be both.

It was in this trailer:

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I'm not saying Bruce isn't broken, probably not just physically but mentally. I'm just saying I think it occurs in the prison in this trailer after he is thrown in there by Bane. And I don't think it's going to culminate in JGL becoming Batman. I think it will be JGL replacing Gordon, since Gordon is shown in a hospital bed in the very first teaser they released.

Here's what I think the timeline might be for the movie, going by the trailers and the first six minutes of the movie (so the info is somewhat disjointed and sparse):


1. Bane escapes CIA custody with Dr. Pavel, brings him and the earthquake machine to Gotham.
2. Bruce fundraising and doing political crap along with Gordon.
3. Selina Kyle is a cat burglar who pretends to be a wealthy socialite to get at her marks, because she actually despises the rich and affluent. She meets Bruce Wayne at the fundraiser and tells him that thing about the storm coming. Maybe she is in cahoots with Bane at this point?
4. Bane uses the earthquake machine at the Gotham Rogue's game, revealing himself as Gotham's "salvation".
5. Bruce comes out of retirement as Batman and attempts to stop Bane, but Bane has created an elaborate trap and proceeds to beat the everloving crap out of Batman, who escapes but is crippled in some manner.
6. Gordon tries to stop Bane with the police and Bane publicly snaps Gordon's spine. He then blows up the bridges, cutting Gotham off from the mainland and outside help from the military (let's assume that along with the earthquake machine as a threat to the military to keep them from intervening, since he has Tumblers he probably also has some surface-to-air missiles, maybe, or maybe just his threat to completely level Gotham is enough to keep them from coming in after him).
7. Bane breaks all the prisoners out of the prisons and uses them to create a dystopian society in Gotham. The rich and affluent are dragged out of their houses and imprisoned, along with all the city government officials and police. This is when Bruce, still crippled, is thrown into prison. OR maybe when he is originally beaten up there is a time lapse where he is unconscious and he wakes up in the prison and has his conversation with Bane ("Why didn't you just kill me?", "When Gotham is ashes, then I'll allow you to die" etc.), and finds out what has transpired since Bane took over by being filled in by Alfred. The difference between these scenarios is whether or not Bane knows Bruce is Batman.
8. JGL is now the only law enforcement officer free and he like, I dunno, leads part of the rebellion against Bane or something.
9. Bruce tries to escape the prison and nearly succeeds, but Bane throws him back down into the pit. This may be when he is actually crippled, having at some other point somehow been rounded up with all the rich people (again, the info is so sparse that there are multiple points where Bruce is beaten up). Then perhaps this is when the convo between him and Bane happens (in this scenario Bane has no idea Bruce is Batman).
9. Catwoman at some point helps Bruce and Alfred escape. Again, not sure why, but at some point she is disillusioned with Bane, we know that.
10. Batman and Catwoman team up to take down Bane. JGL assists with the remnants of the police department. Various action sequences. Giant brawl on city hall's steps. Batman saves the day..

Problems with this timeline:

1. I have no idea how Ra's Al Ghul fits into the story. It may alter things considerably depending on if he is alive in the present or only in flashbacks, and with whom (was he Bane's teacher as well as Bruce's?). Also, there are rumors that the female detective character, forget her name, might actually be Talia Al Ghul. So again, I don't know where that would fit into the story.
2. Bruce is obviously crippled at some point, but is it in the initial fight with Bane, or while he is escaping from prison, or at some other point?
3. There are clearly other details that are important, such as what exactly are the weapons Bane has at his disposal and what his actual goal is. In my mind it is to destroy Gotham's society and create his own version of it, punishing the rich and decadent for their crimes by imprisoning them.

Phew. So that is what I think is a loose story arc. What do you think about my timeline/problems with the timeline?

EDIT: BTW, how many of you have seen the first six minutes of the movie that was in IMAX? I thought it was a pretty impressive opening, easily as exciting as the bank robbery from The Dark Knight. So maybe that will liven up your hopes a bit?