Valve Mafia - "You are all incompetent cowards!"

[Revising Ocelot]

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/d/d4/Announcer.png

"Miss Pauling!"

"Um, yes?"

"I thought you had told Isaac to stop messing around with that teleporter. He shouldn't even be in this universe!"

"I did. But you know what these professor types are like..."

"Quite. Well, it looks like he's parked himself in the middle of Well again. And this time, he's brought company!"

"Ever since he created that second rift in time and space, I've been monitoring him closely. I'm pretty sure he didn't do this one deliberately or through a typically absent-minded 'accident'. This isn't his style.

"Sabotage, then."

"Indeed. I think I've got a lead on the perpetrators, and I believe they are-"

"Yes, I already know who. I'm far too busy to deal with it right now, though. Moscow are threatening to launch some nukes at Washington in 15 minutes, there's yet another zombie outbreak due to strike Rome straight afterwards, and I have lunch with Mr Hale in half an hour."

"Ah. Highly dangerous."

"Yes, he brought a cougar last time. Anyway, you know the drill. Let them fight amongst themselves until one side or another is dead, I don't care who. Both sides, ideally. You can even dress the... 'extras' up in some of the spare RED and BLU costumes, I'm sure they'll love that. Now, I need to redirect these launch codes to aim at Madagascar. We'll see who really 'shuts down everything' around here."


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RED vs. BLU! It is Day 1 and the map is cp_well for approximately 72 hours.

Anticitizen Roster
1. Moogle
2. Inbred Chocobo, BLU Roleblocker - Thrown Into A Pit, Day 2
3. Geminex - Headshot, Night 2
4. Bard The 5th LW - Backstabbed, Night 2
5. rpgdemon - Headshot, Night 3
6. Sifright
7. Aldurin - Headshot, Night 3
8. Arhra - Incinerated, Night 1
9. Oron - Ludicrously Gibbed, Night 1
10. Ryong
11. Fenris - Oxygen-Starved, Night 2
12. Masked Jedi, BLU Bodyguard - Saxton Punched, Day 2
13. Gregness
14. Rhiya Ravenwing
15. BahamutFlare
16. Ecks
17. greed - Oxygen-Starved, Night 3
18. Mr. Bookworm - Torn Apart by Ravenous Horde of Infected, Night 1


All votes must be in this format:

Vote: Revolving Ocelot
or
Unvote: Revolving Ocelot


It takes 10 votes to lynch. Let's settle this like gentlemen.

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[Sifright]

Vote:Revolving Ocelot

I'm not sure I like the fact that we can only vote for you RO, but i'm willing to try it out.

[Sifright]

Unvote:Revolving Ocelot

Vote:Fenris

That dude is always fucking mafia. ALWAYS. I swear to god it's the rule of NPF mafia that fenris has to be mafia.

[Mr.Bookworm]

On the basis of "whoever looks funny", I have selected my first sacrifice.

Vote: Ryong

[Inbred Chocobo]

Vote: Nikose

[rpgdemon]

Mr. Bookworm is clearly trying too hard to rationalize his decisions. What do you have to hide, Bookie?

I'll be watching before I make my vote, since it doesn't make sense to just keep hammering random people with the old unvote/vote train.

[Sifright]

I am 100% totally serious with my vote on fenris.

[Arhra]

The Enrichment Center promises to always provide a safe testing environment. In dangerous testing environments, the Enrichment Center promises to always provide useful advice. For instance: the test subjects here will lynch you. Try to avoid them.

As a collaboration facilitator, it is required that I encourage maximum test subject participation in this collaborative colour discrimination test.

Vote: Oron, you dangerous mute lunatic

[Geminex]

Mmmhp mmmph mmmh mmmph hudda huh!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjLN1TA3bc)

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/Shyria_Dracnoir/H8FVw.gif

[Sifright]

This will be the best Mafia game. :)

[Oron]

Yeah, I'd still be asleep if there weren't rock golems having angry sex on my roof. Bang bang BANG-BANG-BANG bang bang! It's actually roof repairs for hail damage, but it might as well be the former.

Anyway, wow, not knowing anything anything about Valve games except L4D is probably going to haunt me, isn't it? I'll vote for... nobody yet. I'll abstain from the Day 1 joke vote. At least for now.

[Nikose Tyris]

Vote: Nikose

VOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

[Oron]

Wait, isn't the Sniper from Australia?

There must be a connection between Ahra and the Sniper! Cover your heads, people.

[BahamutFlare]

Please tell me Gem isn't limited to only pictures/videos. Is he bound or gagged?

I'm so tempted to vote Fenris because dang that seems like it is always the case.

Is Arhra Glados? Would Glados even be in this game?

[Geminex]

Please tell me Gem isn't limited to only pictures/videos. Is he bound or gagged?
http://i.imgur.com/wNbwo.png
...

[Inbred Chocobo]

Is he bound or gagged?

Of course he is... wait oh we are talking about mafia, not last night.

Also

VOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

VOTE: NIKOSE TYRIS

[Bard The 5th LW]

Ahaha oh boy another .gif person? Lets hope Gem can pull that off.

Anyways, I'm here! Activity may be sparce until friday but I'll try to keep up.

[Geminex]

Ahaha oh boy another .gif person? Lets hope Gem can pull that off.

Mhh-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmmph, Mmnnnh! (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=h42d0WHRSck&p=n#/0;6)

[Ecks]

vote: fenris

because reasons

[Aldurin]

Ok, I assume Gem is the pyro then, and that those Hmmph's are of psychotic anguish at his inability to communicate effectively.

But clearly our threat is the spies, Gem, get on spychecking!

[Nikose Tyris]

VOTE: NIKOSE TYRIS


VOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote: Nikose Tyris

I flipped a coin to decide whether I'd go with IC or Nik. It landed heads, so Nik is at the end of my voting cudgel.

[Ryong]

On the basis of "whoever looks funny", I have selected my first sacrifice.

Vote: Ryong

Words hurt.

I was tempted to vote for Fenris because dude is going to kill everyone but

Vote:Mr.Bookworm

because of first day shenanigans.

[Inbred Chocobo]

VOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

VOTE: NIKOSE TYRIS

[Revising Ocelot]

How about the both of you stop posting.

[Geminex]

VOTE: NIKOSE TYRIS

MMMPH MMMPH MMMMNH

[Gregness]

Mmmhp mmmph mmmh mmmph hudda huh!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjLN1TA3bc)

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/Shyria_Dracnoir/H8FVw.gif

Please tell me Gem isn't limited to only pictures/videos. Is he bound or gagged?

I'm so tempted to vote Fenris because dang that seems like it is always the case.

Is Arhra Glados? Would Glados even be in this game?

There's really very few things you need to say in a mafia game that a well timed flamethrower blast wouldn't get across just as effectively.

And as for Ahra, the thread is called Valve mafia, not TF2 mafia so I don't see any reason to constrain our possibilities.

Words hurt.

I was tempted to vote for Fenris because dude is going to kill everyone but

Vote:Mr.Bookworm

because of first day shenanigans.

Hey, man, day one never changes.

[Sifright]

you guys know nikose isn't playin.... rigght?

[Fenris]

Oh come on, you singlehandedly orchestrate two scum victories and suddenly everybody thinks you can't be trusted.

Harrumph.

[Sifright]

Oh come on, you singlehandedly orchestrate two scum victories and suddenly everybody thinks you can't be trusted.

Harrumph.

I'm pretty sure it's because you've been mafia in every single mafia game that hasn't been bastardly.

Edit: It's terrible meta gamey as fuck reason to vote you, but i've nothing else and it's proven true so far.

[Fenris]

I'm pretty sure it's because you've been mafia in every single mafia game that hasn't been bastardly.

Edit: It's terrible meta gamey as fuck reason to vote you, but i've nothing else and it's proven true so far.

I was the town-aligned roleblocker in Moogle's game.

Also town in all but like 3 games from before the return of mafia with Homestuck.

[rpgdemon]

Anyone who says "metagamey as fuck but I dun caaaare" is on my list.

My list of people who get voted.

[BahamutFlare]

Metagame is tolerable for a D1 thing. It can stir up discussion and stuff. I really really want to vote Arhra for the sole reason that she/he talked like Glados. Usually when I nitpick these smaller details, I've been correct. I imagine Glados to be scum since Glados is scum in the video game. Granted this is metagame too. But I'd be glad to see the response to these accusations.

Fenris: Since mafia started back up again though (which is to say most recent games), your streak has been mafia for the most part. The fact that you bring up things before Homestuck strikes me as irrelevant. Which seems like you're trying to misdirect.

[Fenris]

BF: My role in those games prior to Homestuck is exactly as relevant as my role in the games post-Homestuck, that is to say, not at all relevant.

[rpgdemon]

Yeah, people seem to say, "I'M META!", when they're just making shit up, is my problem.

Like, "Oh, man, it's so meta that Fenris has, by complete chance, been scum a few times. I'm following that meta streak!"

No, you're not. There's NOTHING involved there that's remotely strategic, or using meta knowledge within the game.

Voting Fenris because he always wins for the scum, if he's on the scum, on the other hand, is at least justifiable. It's like, there's a finite chance that Fenris is scum, and if he is, we're going to lose. So, you have to weigh how useful to the town he is as town, versus how detrimental to the town he is as scum.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Mate, I forget to check NPF for ONE DAY and the thread explodes to four pages?!

I would like to point out here that Arhra initially yakked in chat before the game started that he'd - irregardless of his role - play like a fair dinkum GLaDOS.

[Ryong]

The only meta-vote I can think of is BahamutFlare because in the mafias that I saw, no one cared about him while he screwed everyone up. The risk of him being an important townie is too big to vote for him yet, though.

[Fenris]

Voting Fenris because he always wins for the scum, if he's on the scum, on the other hand, is at least justifiable. It's like, there's a finite chance that Fenris is scum, and if he is, we're going to lose. So, you have to weigh how useful to the town he is as town, versus how detrimental to the town he is as scum.

I don't like this for all of the reasons. Even if I were some sort of super player who could always generate a scum victory (which I'm not), policy lynches are always shit and they're why I stopped playing mafia for a while.

[rpgdemon]

I don't like this for all of the reasons. Even if I were some sort of super player who could always generate a scum victory (which I'm not), policy lynches are always shit and they're why I stopped playing mafia for a while.

I'm not saying to do it, I'm saying, I could see that mentality, instead of "HE WAS TOTALLY SCUM BEFORE METAGAMIN' IT GUYS!"

The reason I didn't advocate it is because it's a dick move that makes the game unfun. Policy lynches mean someone never gets to play, because they enjoy playing.

[Ecks]

four... pages?

oh thats right I have it set to like 80 posts per page

[Gregness]

Although policy lynches on Nikose are okay because fuck tha-

What, he's not playing?

Welp.

[Ryong]

He COULD be an invisible serial killer like on the Fuck You Mafia, right? That's a common mafia role, right?

[Fenris]

He did not post in the signup thread, he's not in the game.

[Ryong]

OR IS H-

okay I'll stop.

[Bard The 5th LW]

So Nik is just being himself then? He had me fooled!

Unvote: Nik

[greed]

In the interest of day one posting I will

Vote: Bard

As he is the last person to post.

Also Oron, I am also from Australia....... mate.

[Oron]

Also Oron, I am also from Australia....... mate.

I knew that, but kept quiet due to your own silence. But now you admit to it, eh?! Are you saying that you're an assassin? A contract killer? Hm? As deadly as a dingo? Well I've got a message for you: you won't be eating my ba- oh pffff that joke's too old and stupid to bother. Let's try that again. At least my father accepts me. Oooooh.

...Yeah, that phone call's just about all I remember from the Meet the Sniper video.

Anyway, uh, I'm not going to vote yet due to usual Day One shenanigans equating to having no solid info on anybody. I'd like to get some non metagame-y facts tomorrow (or later today, depending on what timezone you're in).

[Sifright]

Anyone who says "metagamey as fuck but I dun caaaare" is on my list.

My list of people who get voted.

Yea, except no. See on day 1 we have exactly 0 pieces of information to go on. The reason I'm voting fenris? Simple The game operators seem to have a fetish for putting him on the mafia team. Unless roles are assigned entirely randomly which i'm betting doesn't happen very often at all then GM/GOs are choosing to put fenris on mafia i'm banking on that being the case here with a Fenris vote.

BF: My role in those games prior to Homestuck is exactly as relevant as my role in the games post-Homestuck, that is to say, not at all relevant.

This is also true and it's a mega dick move of me to try vote you off because of previous game roles. The other side of the coin is it's a mega dick move to vote any one off Day 1 when we don't know anything I'm prepared to go with the fact that I think people will keep assigning you to the mafia side and not voting for any one would be a stupid move.

So allow me to finish on a question for you RPG given that we have no information to go on currently.

What constitutes a sensible and rational reason to vote a person out day 1?

[BahamutFlare]

The only meta-vote I can think of is BahamutFlare because in the mafias that I saw, no one cared about him while he screwed everyone up. The risk of him being an important townie is too big to vote for him yet, though.

While I appreciate the amount of strength you seem to give me, you left out a piece of information. Chance of being an important townie is the reason you're not voting? How about the fact that I can be dangerous as a townie? I don't have to be mafia to be good at the game.

Now to analyze you. You could easily have thought of it. You seemed confident and intelligent before, so I assume you have thought of this. If you are scum, it's easy to overlook both sides of the story and just display the negative. As town, you would've probably elaborated more. Because your metagame analysis is unsound:

Vote: Ryong

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I knew that, but kept quiet due to your own silence. But now you admit to it, eh?! Are you saying that you're an assassin? A contract killer? Hm? As deadly as a dingo? Well I've got a message for you: you won't be eating my ba- oh pffff that joke's too old and stupid to bother. Let's try that again. At least my father accepts me. Oooooh.

...Yeah, that phone call's just about all I remember from the Meet the Sniper video.

Mate, I reckon a lot of us (me included) are from Down Under.

This is the first time I've played in yeeeeaaars, so I'm going to point my finger at a random bloke...

VOTE: Gregness

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/239/933/63b.png

[Fenris]

Yea, except no. See on day 1 we have exactly 0 pieces of information to go on. The reason I'm voting fenris? Simple The game operators seem to have a fetish for putting him on the mafia team. Unless roles are assigned entirely randomly which i'm betting doesn't happen very often at all then GM/GOs are choosing to put fenris on mafia i'm banking on that being the case here with a Fenris vote.

Randomly assigning people to roles is usually what happens. I can think of exactly two games in recent memory in which roles were not randomly assigned.

And even if RO assigned roles at a whim, what's to stop him from going "Well, Fenris sure has been mafia a lot lately, I'm going to put him on the town side."

The fact of the matter is that role assignment in past mafia games is entirely separate from role assignment in future mafia games, because otherwise it leads to shit like this.

What constitutes a sensible and rational reason to vote a person out day 1?

They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1? They roleclaim mafia on Day 1? They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1?

[Sifright]

They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1? They roleclaim mafia on Day 1? They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1?

barring very rare flubs this almost never happens though I can think of two instances where it occured in all the games i've played here at NPF. In the event I see something suspicious I will of course move my vote.

As I have nothing else to go on until such happens I will keep my vote on you.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Okay, so just to be clear

Unvote: The man that isn't playing

Vote: Sifright

Because that is a horrible reason to vote for someone is their track record. Previous mafia games should have no or very little influence on the next games. Just because someone was scum one game doesn't mean they are scum this game.

If you argued that it has been impossible to tell what Fenris's role has been no matter what game he was in, then I could maybe believe that one, but that arguement. Well last game I was a townie, and you saw how much I was pro town, so you can trust me when I say that is a bad arguement.

[Sifright]

Okay, so just to be clear

Unvote: The man that isn't playing

Vote: Sifright

Because that is a horrible reason to vote for someone is their track record. Previous mafia games should have no or very little influence on the next games. Just because someone was scum one game doesn't mean they are scum this game.

If you argued that it has been impossible to tell what Fenris's role has been no matter what game he was in, then I could maybe believe that one, but that arguement. Well last game I was a townie, and you saw how much I was pro town, so you can trust me when I say that is a bad arguement.

I'm not seeing where my reasoning is specious i'm casting a vote on fenris precisely because I have nothing to go on. As soon as I have any reason to actually vote for some one I will move my vote,as i've yet to see any where else worth voting yet I'm not going to change my vote.

There is little difference between me spinning a wheel and voting some one randomly like most have done so far in this thread and my vote which currently resides on Fenris.

Unvote:Fenris

Vote:InbredChocobo

evidently I find this suspicious.

[Fenris]

I'm not seeing where my reasoning is specious i'm casting a vote on fenris precisely because I have nothing to go on

That is literally the worst reason to ever cast a vote.

[Ecks]

Well shit. If we're already done jokevoting and clowning around already I'll just go ahead and Unvote: Fenris.

That said I don't really see any information strong enough to cast a vote. Imma lurk for a bit. When is the deadline again?

EDIT: 72 hours... so about a day and a half left.

[Ryong]

While I appreciate the amount of strength you seem to give me, you left out a piece of information. Chance of being an important townie is the reason you're not voting? How about the fact that I can be dangerous as a townie? I don't have to be mafia to be good at the game.

Now to analyze you. You could easily have thought of it. You seemed confident and intelligent before, so I assume you have thought of this. If you are scum, it's easy to overlook both sides of the story and just display the negative. As town, you would've probably elaborated more. Because your metagame analysis is unsound:

Vote: Ryong

Okay, to make myself clear because apparently it wasn't before:

Whatever your allegiance is, I believe you'll be a key player. I may be giving you too much credit, but from what I've seen in other games, when you're scum you manage to dodge getting called out as such very well and when you're town you find scum with no apparent trouble.

So unless you act really suspicious, there's way too much risk to vote for you.

Mind you, this is, what, my first real mafia game I think? So I can be completely wrong y'know.

[rpgdemon]

barring very rare flubs this almost never happens though I can think of two instances where it occured in all the games i've played here at NPF. In the event I see something suspicious I will of course move my vote.

As I have nothing else to go on until such happens I will keep my vote on you.

People who are/aren't inactive, and how people act/ how they acted in their previous games are both big hints as to what roles they have. The way you win Mafia isn't just by sitting there twiddling your thumbs and going, "Gee, I hope the scum all out themselves! Anyone? No? Okay, let's just kill this guy."

I mean, let's take your argument to the (il)logical extreme: We don't bother trying day 1, because no one outs themselves. Well, day 2 now, we've got nothing to go off of... Gee, whatever, let's just choose someone at random. Oh, no one outed themselves again? Fuck it, Frank's getting voted today.

It's a scummy strategy that only helps scum, to keep the "We've got no clue, guys just vote whoever, it's totally sweet." period going.

Vote: Sifright

[Sifright]

People who are/aren't inactive, and how people act/ how they acted in their previous games are both big hints as to what roles they have. The way you win Mafia isn't just by sitting there twiddling your thumbs and going, "Gee, I hope the scum all out themselves! Anyone? No? Okay, let's just kill this guy."

I mean, let's take your argument to the (il)logical extreme: We don't bother trying day 1, because no one outs themselves. Well, day 2 now, we've got nothing to go off of... Gee, whatever, let's just choose someone at random. Oh, no one outed themselves again? Fuck it, Frank's getting voted today.

It's a scummy strategy that only helps scum, to keep the "We've got no clue, guys just vote whoever, it's totally sweet." period going.

Vote: Sifright


Except thats bollocks and it's not what I'm advocating. The result of the Day 1 vote allows us to establish potential voting patterns and see who is voting for who and why.

Day 1 is almost always a low information day, but by choosing a person to vote for and seeing how every one reacts to that we can start to delineate potential agendas.

In fact IHMN used this exact scenario to out almost all of the mafia after one game day in Nikoses game.

a small two vote block formed on a player and half the mafia team jumped on that block and called it out as a bandwagon with poor reasoning yadda yadda yadda, turns out those guys were mafia.

FOS:

Inbred
RPG


You two are mafia players trying to look good. Townies are hiding out.

Your calling out my voting when there is no danger of shit going down and a townie wouldn't care about my vote yet because there is no danger of it leading to anything. A mafia player how ever knows who is and isn't on his team and can call out 'bad' arguments early on to try and look good and then utilize that to lead a lynch on the person and they have a ready made excuse afterwards and just go "Well gosh gee darn it, it just so happens he was town any way but with that terrrrible reasoning I just had to vote him out."

[Fenris]

but by choosing a person to vote for and seeing how every one reacts to that we can start to delineate potential agendas.

That makes a lot more sense than what you were saying before - thanks for clarifying.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Unvote:Revolving Ocelot

Vote:Fenris

That dude is always fucking mafia. ALWAYS. I swear to god it's the rule of NPF mafia that fenris has to be mafia.

I am 100% totally serious with my vote on fenris.


There is little difference between me spinning a wheel and voting some one randomly like most have done so far in this thread and my vote which currently resides on Fenris.

This is what I cannot stand, because while you state there is little difference, the problem is that there is a very particular difference, one that actually matters.

Past roles have no bearing to a mafia game. None, whatsoever. To consider it to even have a remote chance, to even suggest that it would even fly in such a minor degree is a horrible thing to do. If it was a joke vote, fine, but the fact that you are acting like that, and 100% serious about it is what has me angry.

Time and time again, people have referenced trends like this, and time and time again they have been proven false. Fenris has the same chance of playing 6 previous games scum and this game being town as he has much chance of playing 6 previous games scum and this game being scum as well, nothing more than that. Do not consider past roles part of your plan, in any way shape or form, do not consider trends in any way shape or form to voting and do not use "Well he acted this way that game he was scum so he must be the same way" argument, else you are wanting to push this game into scum hands so pathetically easy that I would have no choice but to believe it.

[BahamutFlare]

Okay, to make myself clear because apparently it wasn't before:

Whatever your allegiance is, I believe you'll be a key player. I may be giving you too much credit, but from what I've seen in other games, when you're scum you manage to dodge getting called out as such very well and when you're town you find scum with no apparent trouble.

So unless you act really suspicious, there's way too much risk to vote for you.

Mind you, this is, what, my first real mafia game I think? So I can be completely wrong y'know.

Ahh see but there was no whatever the allegiance before. If you're red, then you're always going to be 100% wrong with your accusations.

IC: I'm surprised you actually decided to side against metagaming. I thought you were all for that.

The way I see it, town is going to be not so intelligent D1 offesnively. No doubts about that. For being dumb, Sifright got a decent amount of votes on him. We don't have any real info, so he's going on a hunch. After getting responses, he is still going on said hunches. Honestly, in his case, are there better leads to go off of? No. So what would you have him do? I only think 1 scum is voting him right now though.

Unvote: Ryong
Vote: IC

[BahamutFlare]

Then IC ninja'd me and I know what he's against.

Unvote: IC
Vote: Ryong

[rpgdemon]

You two are mafia players trying to look good. Townies are hiding out.

Yeah, that's totally what's going on. I'm sure the ENTIRE town is hiding, because that's how you win mafia, right? You don't participate? That's what's going on. That seems way more likely than the fact that you're being super scummy, and the only people who advocate "no information day 1 don't worry guys fuck it" are scum, because they're the only people it helps.

Like, even your hypotheticals to explain how the game is going are totally scummy, and the town is being horribly stupid. There's no reason for the town to act like you're saying they are. Inactives are sometimes a day 1 lynch. But most of all, TOWN DOES NOT HIDE. If you have a power role, you keep that secret, but hiding draws attention to yourself. Town is not hiding from anyone. SCUM hide, and they're the ones who use inactivity to hide.

I can only assume you've got some scummates who are inactive right now, who you're trying to cover for. My vote stands.

[Ecks]

Yeah, that's totally what's going on. I'm sure the ENTIRE town is hiding, because that's how you win mafia, right? You don't participate? That's what's going on. That seems way more likely than the fact that you're being super scummy, and the only people who advocate "no information day 1 don't worry guys fuck it" are scum, because they're the only people it helps.

Actually, I think you guys are really hurting your own argument. You're jumping down a guy's throat for doing exactly what you claim town should be doing: generating discussion and being an active player. Town IS hiding. None of us want to poke our necks in to get a word in edgeways while you and IC are slinging around vitriol.

"Hey guys maybe sif has a point-"

"FUCK YOU YOU'RE NEXT FOR THE NOOSE!"

You're scaring people off of participating in discussion. I voted for Fenris too, and while it was a jokevote, it's still Sif who's getting his ass chewed off extra hard. Either you guys are genuinely pissed about metavoting, or you're trying super hard to put the yoke on Sif to get town to waste a lynch.

Like, even your hypotheticals to explain how the game is going are totally scummy, and the town is being horribly stupid. There's no reason for the town to act like you're saying they are. Inactives are sometimes a day 1 lynch. But most of all, TOWN DOES NOT HIDE. If you have a power role, you keep that secret, but hiding draws attention to yourself. Town is not hiding from anyone. SCUM hide, and they're the ones who use inactivity to hide.

Actually at this point I'd say posting is drawing more attention to ourselves than anything. Sif picked a guy, gave some reasoning (bullshit or not), and is sticking with it until he finds a better option. What the hell else are we supposed to do day 1? Random vote and hope for a bandwagon? I have to work with what we have, and we have basically fuck all other than a couple of rabid dogs and a very stupid kid (no offense sif).

I don't agree with the massive assholery here. Between you and IC, you've pretty much painted Sif as scum and you're trying really hard to get everyone else to come around to that line of thinking. I still think Sif's just being dumb here. So are you two, just not in the same way.

Vote: rpgdemon
FoS: IC

[rpgdemon]

I legitimately hate it when people use "super-meta guys" as a reason for why they're voting, so yes, there is that. Especially when he makes almost the exact same post as he did last game.

whoa didn't realise this was actually up.


Vote:Fenris

He's been in the bad guy faction every single game.


Edit: Like, thats meta as fuck but ittttss trueeee

It's obnoxious and even if it's not scummy, I'm going to vote against it. He wasn't scum last game.

I'm also calling him more scum as he ups his calls, because he pretty much said, "You voted for me YOU ARE ALL SCUM."

[rpgdemon]

Like, "You voted for me, so you are all scum" is something even scarier to town, because it means, "Oh, shit, better not talk against this guy, because he'll convince everyone I'm scum!", which means the town is cowwed into not asking questions and probing people for the truth, and it makes a ridiculously easy scum win.

So, the more he pushes that angle, the more convinced I am he's scum. Or, he's just really bad at Mafia. Every game, I've gotten scum vibes from him.

[Ecks]

Wait, what? Fenris WAS scum last game.

Even so, I still think he's being stupid and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he wants to metagame on day one that is his prerogative (though admittedly not a strategy I'd seriously use). My irritation is the implied hostility towards others who may or may not have theories or random votes to put out in lieu of actual information.

More posts mean more clues. And we're closing in on the final 24 hours with practically dick to show for it. My vote stand until something better comes along or I am convinced Sif is totes red team.

[rpgdemon]

Sorry, "he" was Sifright, not Fenris. Sif wasn't scum last game, in his defense of his metagaming, but I really hate the idea of it.

[Ecks]

Sif, Fenris, Vauron, and myself were the scumteam last game, rpg.

Anyway, it's not actually that hard to see you and IC as scum, from a hyper defensive point of view, anyway. You're both attacking him on the "meta is stupid" argument, and when you start getting accused you start getting paranoid and connections are made in your head that an otherwise rational person might not make.

Enough babbling and amateur psychology from me anyway, I want to see some more posts so I can go back to analyzing the thread and scrutinizing the fuck out of it.

EDIT: Also, as a friendly tip to some players, it might be a good idea to go invisible on the forums while the game is running. One look at your user profile will tell anyone who looks what you're doing and who's pms you're reading. I received one such warning myself last game.

[Ryong]

If you're red, then you're always going to be 100% wrong with your accusations.

Wait what

no really I'm trying to understand what do you mean with that.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Anyway, it's not actually that hard to see you and IC as scum, from a hyper defensive point of view, anyway. You're both attacking him on the "meta is stupid" argument, and when you start getting accused you start getting paranoid and connections are made in your head that an otherwise rational person might not make.

Enough babbling and amateur psychology from me anyway, I want to see some more posts so I can go back to analyzing the thread and scrutinizing the fuck out of it..

I'm mostly just making a point that using any reference from previous games on what people's roles are is a bad idea, a really bad idea. This is more stringing Sifright up on the rope as an example, but I think by now I've proven my point.

Unvote: Sifright

I would've liked to at least get the idea that okay, just because Fenris was scum last few games doesn't mean he is this game. Yeah, I get your saying that it doesn't mean he is town either, I just don't want that influencing things. Do I have a better chance of being town since last game I was town as well and put up most scum on a stoll? Of course not. By that same aspect, so does anyone who is scum doesn't have the same chance.

(Its the biggest pet peeve I have, so I probably reacted kind of harshly too it, but seriously, using past roles to judge rules in current games isn't metagaming, its idiocy.)


Wait what

no really I'm trying to understand what do you mean with that.
Read your role PM thoroughly. It should explain things.

Actually, that makes things a little more curious on why you didn't catch that. Hmmmmmmm.

FOS: Ryong.

Possible vote if I don't see anything else I like in some odd number of hours. Smart people know why, but I don't want to spoil it yet, want to see if he catches on got it?

[Ecks]

Point taken.

I have also noticed Ryong kissing BF's ass further up the page, and now this interesting confusion over BF's statement. Pretty huge fucking clue right there.

Unvote: rpgdemon

FoS: Ryong

[Ryong]

Whatever your allegiance is, I believe you'll be a key player. I may be giving you too much credit, but from what I've seen in other games, when you're scum you manage to dodge getting called out as such very well and when you're town you find scum with no apparent trouble.

.

Also: I wasn't expecting it to be a role thing - which it seems to be? But, yes, if it's a role thing, I get it. I was just confused how "oh hey red will always accuse wrong" is somehow a fact.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Random question for you Ryong, you play Team Fortress 2 any?

[Ryong]

Not for ages but I know what you're talking about.

I mean there's a difference between that being his role and it just being a meta thing where Red will simply always pick wrong.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Not for ages but I know what you're talking about.

I mean there's a difference between that being his role and it just being a meta thing where Red will simply always pick wrong.

Okay, what does Red and Blu mean for this game?

[rpgdemon]

Sif, Fenris, Vauron, and myself were the scumteam last game, rpg.

More proof!

In all seriousness, I was only around the first day of that game, and I am mixing it up with the other ones I've played. I maintain my position though.

[rpgdemon]

I mean there's a difference between that being his role and it just being a meta thing where Red will simply always pick wrong.

No, see, Synk's just really bad at Mafia.

[Ryong]

Okay, what does Red and Blu mean for this game?

Scum doesn't tend to be red and Town doesn't tend to be blue, no sir, not at all.

You failed your trick question because meta.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Because Meta? Fine, here is one.

Whats Blue's win condition?

[Ryong]

Because Meta? Fine, here is one.

Whats Blue's win condition?

...Kill off all of Red?

[Inbred Chocobo]

Vote: Ryong

There we go.

[Revising Ocelot]

ALERT! The control point is being contested!



Vote count as of this post:
Ryong - 3: Bookworm, Bahamut, IC
Oron - 1: Arhra
Bookworm - 1: Ryong
Bard - 1: greed
Gregness - 1: Rhiya
Sifright - 1: rpgdemon
IC - 1: Sifright



It's 2:45AM here, so if I've missed any votes feel free to call me a "fukkin noob" and correct me. Also, sleepy time for me, so if the thread heats up while I'm slacking off some help in keeping the tally would be appreciated.

[Ryong]

Let them fight amongst themselves until one side or another is dead

I do believe this supersedes anything in PMs.

I don't remember RO stating that he'd be lying to us.

[Ryong]

Upon double-checking:

I never got my win condition and have been PM'd it now.

Ask him if you want.

[Revising Ocelot]

Upon double-checking:

I never got my win condition and have been PM'd it now.

Ask him if you want.

This is true. Commence "fukkin noob" slinging.

[Inbred Chocobo]

If this is the case, what is your win condition then Ryong?

[Ryong]

Any actual answer will make me get either lynched or killed during the night though, so no, I cannot answer that.

If I say the blu one without a roleclaim there's no credibility and I'll still get lynched, if I roleclaim I get killed at night. Any other answers also lead to my death.

[Inbred Chocobo]

One particular answer would have actually gotten me to unvote you. Basically, if it matched up to the win condition I got, then sure, I would drop it. Get it wrong, and then yeah, lynching time.

However you have been avoiding the question, because I think you have been guessing at the answer. You said you didn't get a win condition with GM confirmation, so I was really going to give you a second guess, however an answer like that makes me think you didn't get a blue team win condition, you got something else.

However, last chance. What is your win condition?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

That's... actually kinda mean, IC. Especially when Ryong didn't even know who's side he was on... Although to be honest now that he's explained he has only just received his win-condition, chances are he'll probably get targetted/lynched during the next night(s)/day(s) anyway.

Unvote:Gregness
Vote: IC

[Inbred Chocobo]

This is true. Commence "fukkin noob" slinging.

Just because he didn't get his win condition doesn't mean he didn't get the rest of his role. So I believe he has knowledge what team he was playing on. Knowing his win condition, without anyone telling it to him in this thread, will at least tell us if he has either guessing or actually knows it. (yeah there is a chance he is guessing, but knocks him off the radar for me for a while at least). If he doesn't answer, and votes stay this way, he gets lynched. If he answers correctly, then I'll move my vote to something else to tie things up so we don't get a lynch, and if he guesses wrong then we have proof of scum.

Its a little unfair to put him in this spot considering he just got his win condition, but now that he has it he should be able to answer the question. He knows what will happen if he has the wrong answer, and his last post was avoiding the question. If he answers it, and its pretty much spot on for the blue team, excellent, then we can drop this mess and move on to other people. If he is wrong, then we have a target.

So, again, to Ryong, what is your win condition?

[Ryong]

I can't tell you my win condition. It in no way guarantees I won't get lynched - I have no reason whatsoever to trust anything you say which is, as you know, the whole point of mafia - but it guarantees my death - or the death of whoever tries to save me during the night which would be pointless - before Day 2. So far, however, this helps:

Unvote:Mr.Bookworm
Vote: IC

[Inbred Chocobo]

Since someone has to keep up with this.

Vote count as of this post:
Ryong - 3: Bookworm, Bahamut, IC
Oron - 1: Arhra
Bard - 1: greed
Sifright - 1: rpgdemon
IC - 3: Sifright, Ryong, Rhiya

So next vote is the tie breaker.

((Oh man, is anyone else enjoying this? Its been a while since I got the blood rushing like this.))

[BahamutFlare]

I don't see this as an unfair trial for Ryong. He is either right or wrong. It's simply copy and paste trial. Or Creative Writing if Red team. At least now he has the information to use it.

It's not going to make you a target. Scum knows who all is against them. Everyone. Saying your win condition is X is not giving away information that scum can use that they already know.

Again, you aren't being asked to say if you're PO, Vig, Vanilla, etc. Just how do you win? I'd almost venture to say you're self-aligned at this point or mafia isn't as active.

[Sifright]

Unnnghh... I'm going to move my vote Ryong. primarily because he isn't posting his win condition.

Unvote:Inbred Chocobo

Vote:Ryong

Post your win condition dude, if it lines up with what i've got i'll move my vote off

[Fenris]

Vote: Ryong

[Ryong]

Win when all non-BLU are dead.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I didn't see it necessary as to why Ryong was the only one pressured to declare his win condition. So, what if his win condition doesn't line up against yours?

FOS: Sifright

[Arhra]

Yeah, I'd still be asleep if there weren't rock golems having angry sex on my roof. Bang bang BANG-BANG-BANG bang bang! It's actually roof repairs for hail damage, but it might as well be the former.

Anyway, wow, not knowing anything anything about Valve games except L4D is probably going to haunt me, isn't it? I'll vote for... nobody yet. I'll abstain from the Day 1 joke vote. At least for now.

Unbelievable. You, , have completed the Vocalisation Capability Assessment with flying colours. You must be the pride of [subject hometown here].

As an optional test protocol, we are pleased to present an amusing fact: Your continued participation in this testing initiative is now more valuable than the organs and combined incomes of everyone in [subject hometown here].

Unvote: Oron, you dangerous [s]mute lunatic

[Sifright]

Unvote:Ryong

Vote:Rpgdemon

That matches up with my win condition perfectly.

Sadly this means we now can't utilise that particulat information to prove innocence but still its saved one blue player.

Voting Rpgdemon for reasons previously stated.

Some what less suspicious of Inbred for pushing Ryong on the win condition although it's possible he did so to gather information.

[Sifright]

So you fuckers are just going to let ryong get killed off even though he's given the town win condition...

Baah

[Inbred Chocobo]

Geez Ryong was that so hard?

Unvote: Ryong

Rhiya, if his win condition didn't line up with blue players, then that meant he wasn't a blue player, aka, he was a threat to town. Ryong's actions and confusion earlier felt like he didn't understand what was going on. I thought that was because he was a rogue person, not on any team. When it was revealed that it was RO that hadn't sent him his win con, then it was just a matter of what was that win condition.

Then of course Ryong argued that by revealing it, it would lead to him lynching no matter what. Which is honestly a bad idea. If its because he thought that I wouldn't unvote him, if he did it correctly, and I didn't unvote him, what would I gain? Other blue people would immediately spot that, and kill me. By arguing with it, he was just acting like he was hiding something. If he revealed, we would have our information one way or another.

Also, this makes me feel better of Sifright as well, since he was the first one to catch the win con exactly like his, so I can pretty much write him off my list. We have the unfortunate matter though that Ryong is still in the lead for being lynched, we need some unvotes. Or more votes on someone else.

So... Arhra is posting Glados quotes. I have no idea what that means for us, or if anything. Could mean he actually is Glados, but I have no idea what team Glados would be for.

Gem is picture man, I think he is going to be Pyro. What does that mean as well? No clue either.

Wait a minute, Ryong is still in the lead for votes isn't he?

Vote: IC

Vote count as of this post:
Ryong - 3: Bookworm, Bahamut, Fenris
Bard - 1: greed
Sifright - 1: rpgdemon
IC - 3: Ryong, Rhiya, IC
Rpgdemon - 1: Sifright


I really, really hope ties mean either no lynch or extended days. (crosses fingers)

[Mr.Bookworm]

My vote was a joke, and I don't see any good reason to leave my vote on him, sooooo...

Unvote: Ryong

[Inbred Chocobo]

Woo, I can do this then.

Unvote: IC

Okay, so now to consider who to vote for. Right now, I am at a bit of a blank, need some time to read over the thread.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I would like to point out here that Arhra initially yakked in chat before the game started that he'd - irregardless of his role - play like a fair dinkum GLaDOS.

Crikey, we already been through this one way early. Both of us still haven't gotten off the Portal 2 hype, and now that the Portal 2 workshop's come out, there's MORE testin' to be done. How grouse is that?!

[Sifright]

WE have 9 out of 18 players who cast votes. I'm not liking that..

Siflorian idea of Player numbers

5/6 Mafia!
1/2 Self aligned
10-12 town!.

Most likely distro
5-1-12 for 2:1 town vs scum ratio

[Moogle0119]

Going of the innocence of Ryong, IC, and Sif, I'm going to have to vote for the person who was gunning for Sif pretty hard earlier.

Vote: rpgdemon

[Ryong]

First off:

Unvote:IC

Haven't checked, but was there anything about a cult? It just hit me that there could be a zombie horde cult.

Edit: Welp no, forget that, no zombie cult.

[rpgdemon]

I didn't see it necessary as to why Ryong was the only one pressured to declare his win condition. So, what if his win condition doesn't line up against yours?

FOS: Sifright

I don't remember WHY Ryong was targetted like this, that's a point. But I also don't remember a lot of things, Someone want to remind me?

What really throws me off is the fact that, after everything said/done, you conclude, "Clearly, I better FOS Sifright."

Sif's had almost nothing to do with the Ryong interrogation, it's been IC the entire time. You might have simply messed up looking at names, but it's also possible you're trying to misdirect the voting onto Sif, for whatever reason.

[rpgdemon]

Going of the innocence of Ryong, IC, and Sif, I'm going to have to vote for the person who was gunning for Sif pretty hard earlier.

Vote: rpgdemon

I'm also not really willing to believe the innocence of people as readily as you. Ryong has been (mostly) proven, via GM error/confirmation. IC is pretty confirmed based on his trial, but I'm not writing him in stone. It could be a crazy conspiracy.

Aside from the random FOS on Sif from Rhiya, I've seen nothing proving his innocence. Your statement, again, feels like misdirection. Say two truthful things, and hope that people think the third is the truth.

Rhiya, on the other hand, is being very strange. First, he makes a really bad misdirection/"mistake" of not knowing who was interrogating Ryong. Second, he's randomly dropping into being the Sniper now, with all the Australian he's doing.

I'm thinking: If Rhiya is scum, Sif probably isn't. If Rhiya isn't scum, no conclusion is drawn.

If Sif is scum, Moogle probably is. If Sif isn't scum, no conclusions drawn.

If Moogle is scum, I'm not sure if you can draw conclusions about Sif. If Moogle isn't scum, no conclusions drawn.

Unvote: Sif

Vote: Rhiya

Voting Rhiya gives me the most information, I think. He and Sif were tied in terms of how much information a lynch on them will give me, but I also think that Rhiya has been more suspicious than Sif, at this point.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Mate, first off I'm female, AND I'm actually an Aussie and thought "why not, occasionally I'll play the part". I took a brief hiatus from the forums so maybe you don't remember me since waaaaaaaaaaay back. I'm also relatively new to this Mafia game thingy (however, I have played it IRL, and have found it quite enjoyable, and have attempted a forum version ONCE before).

Second, I'm pointing a suspicious finger at Sifright for also - along with IC - demanding win con from Ryong when I believed that giving one was unecessary. With the way RO has confirmed why Ryong was so initially confused, I didn't think that wanting further information as to an idea of which side he was on would've helped at all. In fact, it might even be counteractive, because reverse (double, triple, whatever) psychology is great to play along in these games (sorry if I don't know so much mafia jargon).

The FOS was mainly because... well... I only have one vote.

And rpgdemon, mate, if Arhra can pretend he's GLaDOS, I can pretend to be Sniper :P

[BahamutFlare]

Unvote: Ryong

In USA, it's our sleepy time, so I didn't get to see the response til now. RPG, he originally was suspicious because of a bit of confusion which he corrected in a way that was considered brown nosing a little bit.

Vote: Fenris

I felt a tad suspicious early game. And he didn't talk for a while, then randomly pops up to vote Ryong. Seemed like a bandwagon vote.

[Moogle0119]

My belief of Sif's innocence comes from IC's statement in which he actually pointed out the obvious.

Also, this makes me feel better of Sifright as well, since he was the first one to catch the win con exactly like his, so I can pretty much write him off my list.

[Ryong]

I felt a tad suspicious early game. And he didn't talk for a while, then randomly pops up to vote Ryong. Seemed like a bandwagon vote.

::V: By pointing out a bandwagon vote and voting for someone, any votes on said someone will now be bandwagon which defeats the purpose of the vote ::V:

[Fenris]

Win when all non-BLU are dead.

Unvote: Ryong

[Fenris]

Unvote: Ryong[/B]

In USA, it's our sleepy time, so I didn't get to see the response til now. RPG, he originally was suspicious because of a bit of confusion which he corrected in a way that was considered brown nosing a little bit.

Vote: Fenris

I felt a tad suspicious early game. And he didn't talk for a while, then randomly pops up to vote Ryong. Seemed like a bandwagon vote.

Yes, seven hours and four minutes is a wholly unreasonable time to be away from the computer.

Why, this vote on me will surely make me re-evaluate my priorities! Going to class and work are absolutely secondary in nature to playing a mafia game on the internet!

(and the vote was because he was showing so much reluctance to show his win condition, holy shit you're daft if you couldn't figure that one out)

[Sifright]

Fenris and RPG are my fos targerts for Lack of content in fenris case or due to the content in RPGs case.

I've a feeling much of the mafia and town are hiding out though in inactivity :(

[Inbred Chocobo]

Fenris and RPG are my fos targerts for Lack of content in fenris case or due to the content in RPGs case.

I've a feeling much of the mafia and town are hiding out though in inactivity :(

This is going to sound weird coming from me, but I think you might be right. I have a seriously strong feeling that we have a scum role or two lurking on us.

Vote: Arhra

I honestly don't think we have people that are stuck in post restrictions, and while joke posts such as Glados quotes are appropriate, that one seemed kind of out of place considering the rest of the tone of the game. Basically, light hearted attempt for a laugh, doesn't sit right with me.

[BahamutFlare]

Yes, seven hours and four minutes is a wholly unreasonable time to be away from the computer.

Why, this vote on me will surely make me re-evaluate my priorities! Going to class and work are absolutely secondary in nature to playing a mafia game on the internet!

(and the vote was because he was showing so much reluctance to show his win condition, holy shit you're daft if you couldn't figure that one out)

The last time you made a post before the vote on Ryong was 26 hours. So while the unvote vote was 7 hours. I didn't care about that. I also didn't question the reason of your vote since it seemed obvious. I didn't say why didn't he unvote him sooner, but you popped in for a swift kick and then left. Besides, it's one vote. If my reasoning is THAT unsound, then why be justified responding to it in a sarcastic way?

[Fenris]

The last time you made a post before the vote on Ryong was 26 hours. So while the unvote vote was 7 hours. I didn't care about that. I also didn't question the reason of your vote since it seemed obvious. I didn't say why didn't he unvote him sooner, but you popped in for a swift kick and then left. Besides, it's one vote. If my reasoning is THAT unsound, then why be justified responding to it in a sarcastic way?

That makes a lot more sense than what you were saying before - thanks for clarifying.

At 4:49


Vote: Ryong

At 11:53

11:53 - 4:49 = 7:04

Math is hard

And I responded in a sarcastic way because I am highly sarcastic and you're being very stupid.

[BahamutFlare]

No. Just missed that one apparently. Note: I said 26 hours, so it must be clear that I didn't see it.

[Revising Ocelot]

Mission ends in 18 hours!


Vote count as of this post
Bard - 1: greed
IC - 1: Rhiya
rpgdemon - 2: Sifright, Moogle
Rhiya - 1: rpgdemon
Arhra - 1: IC

[Oron]

Vote: Fenris

I felt a tad suspicious early game. And he didn't talk for a while, then randomly pops up to vote Ryong. Seemed like a bandwagon vote.

And what was that "tad suspicion" early on? Hopefully not some metagame reasoning, which you've stated your support for already. The popping in to vote for Ryong real quick, sure, but what was there previously?

Hey, enlighten me. I feel like I'm missing something.

[Fenris]

No. Just missed that one apparently. Note: I said 26 hours, so it must be clear that I didn't see it.

Thus the reason that I'm being sarcastic.

[Aldurin]

WE have 9 out of 18 players who cast votes. I'm not liking that..

Siflorian idea of Player numbers

5/6 Mafia!
1/2 Self aligned
10-12 town!.

Most likely distro
5-1-12 for 2:1 town vs scum ratio

I have some doubts about this model, specifically because I tried the same ratio in my game and it took a TON of luck for it to come down to the wire before scum victory. A more standard ratio is around 1/4 scum, so I really think it's probably 1 self-aligned and 4 mafia, though I may be wrong and RO may have found a way to balance the equation for 1/3 scum.

Unsure of who to vote for, since I don't really see any strong arguments from anyone who isn't considered innocent for now. And the majority of players (regardless of side) were probably inactive since people tend to avoid things like the demands for Ryong's win condition and the massive outburst of arguments filled with recursive meta to avoid saying something that may put them in trouble.

FoS: rpgdemon

A good bit of your reasoning feels weak and more just reaching out to attempt to get pressure on anyone but you.

[rpgdemon]

Well, I don't wanna die!

But mostly, that's how I do things. I know I ain't no Red dude, so I should start putting pressure on whoever might be, unless they give me good reason to remove that pressure.

I mean, look at last game. I did pretty much the exact same thing, and only moved away from it at the end of the one day I survived, in order to avoid a lynch on two people who I thought were town. (And I was right, and y'all totally dropped the ball on my super awesome save. ):< )

[Inbred Chocobo]

I mean, look at last game. I did pretty much the exact same thing, and only moved away from it at the end of the one day I survived, in order to avoid a lynch on two people who I thought were town. (And I was right, and y'all totally dropped the ball on my super awesome save. ):< )


Really, do you really have to use that defense?

Unvote: Arhra
Vote: rpgdemon

The biggest problem with this argument is that it assumes that since you did such a good job last game, and hey I'm just doing what I always do, clearly I cannot be scum. No, you are referencing a point in time that shouldn't effect judgement. I've seen this argument before, its a full on scum defense.

You would have been better off the justify why you were going after the people you did rather than generally defending yourself because thats what you do.

[Gregness]

*snip*

I really, really hope ties mean either no lynch or extended days. (crosses fingers)

Gigantic FoS: Inbred Chocobo

It's been well established that no lynches day one are basically the worst thing for town and now you're hoping for one? I often don't vote day one but I'm like one step away from voting for you dude.

[Aldurin]

Well, I don't wanna die!

But mostly, that's how I do things. I know I ain't no Red dude, so I should start putting pressure on whoever might be, unless they give me good reason to remove that pressure.

I mean, look at last game. I did pretty much the exact same thing, and only moved away from it at the end of the one day I survived, in order to avoid a lynch on two people who I thought were town. (And I was right, and y'all totally dropped the ball on my super awesome save. ):< )

Trying to make claim of innocence via "I was awesome last game, give me some slack" is terrible in its own right, and if we went by this standard then I would have been policy lynched in the last 5 games I was in, because going by track record to determine if someone is town or not is IMPRACTICAL as it more likely than not it has no connection to how the GM assigned roles.

And I don't like your wording of claiming to be "not Red", so I'm gonna gander toward you either lying and being Red, or playing the half-truth stuff and being the SK.

Vote: rpgdemon

[Ecks]

yeah, sorry I was away for that debacle, was sleeping and then working, and sleeping again.

Now that we know Ryong's thing was gm error I have no suspicions whatsoever about him. I am, however, still highly suspicious of rpg, who is once again talking out of his ass.

Vote: rpgdemon for the reasons IC has outlined, plus the aggressive push on sif earlier.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Gigantic FoS: Inbred Chocobo

It's been well established that no lynches day one are basically the worst thing for town and now you're hoping for one? I often don't vote day one but I'm like one step away from voting for you dude.

Did... did you really just post that? Did you really? Did you even read my post? I'm going to have to spell it out for you, aren't I?

Okay, first off, read my entire post rather than the last part. The vote was for myself, to tie it up, so that Ryong wouldn't get lynched, at a time where he had the most votes. It was insurance to make sure we didn't lynch a townie. Moment another vote moved off him, I removed mine and looked for other targets.

Second off, let me address some contradictions in your message. "I often don't vote day one" Means you don't care what happens in the lynch, but the fact that you are also "No lynch is the worst thing for town" means you just want someone to die. Reading your message as is, you just said that you don't care who gets lynched, just that someone does.

Well I have news for you buddy, a no lynch isn't the worst thing that can happen. Lynching a townie is the worst thing that can happen, and that vote that I put and that message was in a post made to prevent it, and since each game is running differently in case of ties, that part was put in for some feeble hope that if no one posted and the day ended there, that RO would see it and just make it a no lynch day, rather than kill off a known townie.

You know what?

Unvote: rpgdemon
Vote: Gregness

That post was constructed horribly, it reads like a push to have distrust put on me for the sole reason to put distrust on me. The fact that we have 2 people verified as town and we resolved a statement that should've gotten Ryong lynch without actually lynching him means nothing to you? Or the fact that at the time of voting I was putting insurance to make sure a townie was not scum would not be lynched matter nothing to you?

Something is wrong here Gregness, seriously wrong.

[Gregness]

Okay, you want to do this? Let's do this.

Did... did you really just post that? Did you really? Did you even read my post? I'm going to have to spell it out for you, aren't I?

Okay, first off, read my entire post rather than the last part. The vote was for myself, to tie it up, so that Ryong wouldn't get lynched, at a time where he had the most votes. It was insurance to make sure we didn't lynch a townie. Moment another vote moved off him, I removed mine and looked for other targets.

This doesn't actually change the fact that it could possibly (depending on RO's policy on the matter) result in a no-lynch which you were in fact hoping for. In addition, Ryong was only in danger in the loosest sense since the day doesn't end 'till tonight some time (though I admit to not knowing exactly when).



Second off, let me address some contradictions in your message. "I often don't vote day one" Means you don't care what happens in the lynch, but the fact that you are also "No lynch is the worst thing for town" means you just want someone to die. Reading your message as is, you just said that you don't care who gets lynched, just that someone does.

No, what this means is that I only vote when there's actual hard evidence and only rarely on vague suspicion or TEHLULZ which means that on Day 1 I rarely vote since people rarely botch.



Well I have news for you buddy, a no lynch isn't the worst thing that can happen. Lynching a townie is the worst thing that can happen, and that vote that I put and that message was in a post made to prevent it, and since each game is running differently in case of ties, that part was put in for some feeble hope that if no one posted and the day ended there, that RO would see it and just make it a no lynch day, rather than kill off a known townie.

You know what?

Unvote: rpgdemon
Vote: Gregness

That post was constructed horribly, it reads like a push to have distrust put on me for the sole reason to put distrust on me. The fact that we have 2 people verified as town and we resolved a statement that should've gotten Ryong lynch without actually lynching him means nothing to you? Or the fact that at the time of voting I was putting insurance to make sure a townie was not scum would not be lynched matter nothing to you?

Something is wrong here Gregness, seriously wrong.

Gonna just take the rest as one chunk.

No, lynching a townie is not actually the worst thing that can happen. The absolute worst situation for town to be in is to have no information. A lynch, even if it lands on a townie; even if it lands on someone with a power role, still provides information to the rest of the town that we can use to corner the real mafia. A no-lynch keeps us from making progress and, in fact, guarantees that a townie dies for nothing since the mafia gets what amounts to a free kill.

[Ryong]

Gotta agree with IC here, that was really weird.

FoS:Gregness

But I'm not voting him yet because rpgdemon's defense seems more suspicious. With that said:

Vote:rpgdemon

[Oron]

I agree with Greg... Sort of. Having no information is not a good scenario for town. However, I do not think lynching a significant power role would be worth it because worst case scenario, scum tags another power role and we're out two important players from the first night. Informative or not, such a scenario could really hurt town. That depends on the balance of players left over, of course.

[Sifright]

I agree with almost everything Gregness is saying but the problem is that IC's point still stands and it completely destroys what greg is saying.

IC took the optimal choice to ensure neither himself (Confirmed town to himself) or Ryong (Potentially confirmed via his win condition) was lynched. This meant he could possibly push the lynch to another player who is unconfirmed. If IC is indeed Town it's the best possible choice he could make.

Greg I understand your points but your logic is very flawed, because it is only countenancing a binary path.

Fos: Greg

It's not enough for me to want to move my vote but greg def comes up suspicious for that piece of faulty logic.

Edit:

for consideration if indeed IC was no where near dead line logically he couldn't have been attempting to enforce a no lynch.

[rpgdemon]

Really, do you really have to use that defense?

Unvote: Arhra
Vote: rpgdemon

The biggest problem with this argument is that it assumes that since you did such a good job last game, and hey I'm just doing what I always do, clearly I cannot be scum. No, you are referencing a point in time that shouldn't effect judgement. I've seen this argument before, its a full on scum defense.

You would have been better off the justify why you were going after the people you did rather than generally defending yourself because thats what you do.

No, I'm not saying don't lynch me because I'm awesome, I'm saying, I did the exact same thing last game and was town, and I'm still sore that you all dropped the ball on Fenris.

[Sifright]

No, I'm not saying don't lynch me because I'm awesome, I'm saying, I did the exact same thing last game and was town, and I'm still sore that you all dropped the ball on Fenris.

I'm not going to lie last game as mafia i was cursing you up the wall in mafia communication for that stunt.

[rpgdemon]

Also, not-red meaning, "Clearly he's lying through his teeth"? Why would I care about being right on a pedantic technicality, if I were SK? There's no reason to be technically not lying, but misinforming people.

Like, here is my list, right now, of people who I want to lynch:

1) I still hate the "IT'S SUPER METAGAMEY TO GO OFF OF PAST GAMES GUYS" of Sifright, and if anyone says that again, I will lynch them. Straight up, anyone says that, it's an auto-"RPG thinks your scum." It's not metagaming at all, it's just straight up making things up, and hoping the town will fall for it. That is why I did not trust Sif for saying it. I don't know how I feel about his position now.

2) Aldurin for using the "not-red" = "totally not blue either" logic. I explained up above why that logic's completely unsound.

3) I've got a lot of maybes. Rhiya, for what I outlined in a different post. If she's scum, I'm thinking Sif isn't. I'm actually thinking Sif probably isn't scum anymore, based off of Rhiya's response to the "verification" of Ryong. Ecks for not being involved in the thread at all, but then jumping in when it looks like a safe* bandwagon is forming.

*Safe being, "Everyone agrees on this, don't worry guys, just jump on and vote RPG, and no one will think you're scum for it."

In fact, Ecks has jumped to the top of my list at this point.

Unvote: Rhiya
Vote: Ecks

[Gregness]

I agree with Greg... Sort of. Having no information is not a good scenario for town. However, I do not think lynching a significant power role would be worth it because worst case scenario, scum tags another power role and we're out two important players from the first night. Informative or not, such a scenario could really hurt town. That depends on the balance of players left over, of course.

Here's the possible lynch outcomes as I see them, sorted from best to worst

Lynch Mafia power role
Lynch vanilla Mafiate
Lynch Vanilla Townie
Lynch town power role
No-lynch

So, not that hitting a town power role isn't bad, it's just less bad than a no-lynch.

I agree with almost everything Gregness is saying but the problem is that IC's point still stands and it completely destroys what greg is saying.

IC took the optimal choice to ensure neither himself (Confirmed town to himself) or Ryong (Potentially confirmed via his win condition) was lynched. This meant he could possibly push the lynch to another player who is unconfirmed. If IC is indeed Town it's the best possible choice he could make.

Greg I understand your points but your logic is very flawed, because it is only countenancing a binary path.

Fos: Greg

It's not enough for me to want to move my vote but greg def comes up suspicious for that piece of faulty logic.

Edit:

for consideration if indeed IC was no where near dead line logically he couldn't have been attempting to enforce a no lynch.

I'm legitimately curious what exactly you mean by "countenancing a binary path" because while I recognize that those are all english words, I'm not really seeing where that has any relevance to no-lynches being scummy.

Like, nowhere have I said I'm convinced that IC is scum. And I actually AM taking into account that the Ryong situation was resolved without a lynch, which is part of the reason he only got a FoS from me for actively trying for a no lynch.

You call out my faulty logic, but I'm not seeing where the fault lies.

A: No-lynches are the worst lynch outcome for town
B: People who push for bad outcomes for town are either scum or playing badly
C: Inbred Chocobo was pushing for a bad outcome for town.

again, there are mediating factors such as the peaceful resolution of Ryong's interrogation and the fact that the danger of there actually being a no-lynch was low due to the amount of time left, but that doesn't change the fact that IC was EXPLICITLY in favor of a no-lynch and that was my beef with him.

[Sifright]

Sif FOS list

Every fucker that hasn't posted or cast a vote.

Fenris - low content posts (I'm not referencing their brevity)

RPG - Pushing for a lynch on me when my voting choice wasn't effecting anything at the time.

Greg - Flawed analysis of IC's voting behavior and reasoning

Oron - Talking around conversation pieces but not really getting stuck in and also his lack of a vote on any one (Not voting is scummy as fuck) Oron is top of my fos list for now.

[Ecks]

Fuck you. What the fuck is so hard to understand about having a job and sleeping habits? I'm also trying to find a balance between being too active (got me in hot water last game) and not being active at all. Once again, you are trying to push suspicion on anyone but yourself here. Doing the exact same thing you were accusing sif of doing.

Fyi, I'm posting from my phone, if my responses seem short or hurried, it's because, surprise surprise! I have a fucking life.

[Sifright]

Here's the possible lynch outcomes as I see them, sorted from best to worst

Lynch Mafia power role
Lynch vanilla Mafiate
Lynch Vanilla Townie
Lynch town power role
No-lynch

So, not that hitting a town power role isn't bad, it's just less bad than a no-lynch.



I'm legitimately curious what exactly you mean by "countenancing a binary path" because while I recognize that those are all english words, I'm not really seeing where that has any relevance to no-lynches being scummy.

Like, nowhere have I said I'm convinced that IC is scum. And I actually AM taking into account that the Ryong situation was resolved without a lynch, which is part of the reason he only got a FoS from me for actively trying for a no lynch.

You call out my faulty logic, but I'm not seeing where the fault lies.

A: No-lynches are the worst lynch outcome for town
B: People who push for bad outcomes for town are either scum or playing badly
C: Inbred Chocobo was pushing for a bad outcome for town.

again, there are mediating factors such as the peaceful resolution of Ryong's interrogation and the fact that the danger of there actually being a no-lynch was low due to the amount of time left, but that doesn't change the fact that IC was EXPLICITLY in favor of a no-lynch and that was my beef with him.

Firstly because IC himself in that very post you quoted explicitly states he wants a no lynch or the day to be extended. How ever it's the context in which that line exists which destroys your reasoning. It's very clear from the rest of the post that he would prefer to lynch some one else but in the event that the deadline occurs before other people move their votes that was his attempt at creating a delaying action to save the town from losing a townie.

Moving on!

[Ecks]

Above post was aimed at rpg :P

Also also, I have been suspicious of you since you accused sif earlier. I changed my vote back to you since ryong turned up innocent and no one else seemed suspicious.

[Fenris]

Fenris - low content posts (I'm not referencing their brevity)False statement. Content =/= length.

(Not voting is scummy as fuck)
False statement. Voting for poor reasons is scummy as fuck.

[Sifright]

I disagree with your assertion that a No lynch is bad in this case as well.

A no lynch is bad if and only if you have absolutely nothing to go on, we actually generated a fair amount of information for day 1.

regardless of anything else

There is evidence to support Three people being blue that there wasn't before hand.

Myself, Ryong and IC all have varying degrees of proof for this.

In the event of a potential lynch happening it is bananas to have the lynch fall on one of us currently. and even in the event of a no lynch information can still be gleaned from viewing voting patterns that formed.

point in contention here You don't kill people that have evidence saying they are town when others don't.

[Sifright]

Fenris - low content posts (I'm not referencing their brevity)False statement. Content =/= length.


well I think we agree on content not equaling length at least.:raise:

[Fenris]

well I think we agree on content not equaling length at least.:raise:

Because you are incapable of comprehending words you read that does not equate to a lack of meaning to be comprehended.

[Gregness]

@Sifright - This may just be a fundamental difference in how we view the game then, but we don't win by trying to not-lose. A win is a win regardless of whether one townie is left or if six townies are left. So, we shouldn't be considering saving townies as much as we should be considering killing mafiates. Now, 90% of the time those two are one and the same, but in the times they aren't you have to go with killing mafiates.

So, for the sake of argument I'll assume for the moment that IC shares your defensive mindset and that was the reason he voted. I.E. he was trying to save Ryong and didn't care how that happened. (Just as an aside, we actually had almost this exact situation last game: there was a tie, and town did get an extension which still remained a tie then turned into a no-lynch, so it's not like the fact that he also mentioned getting an extension lets him off the hook.)

What he could have done instead which wouldn't have triggered alarm bells in my head would have been to vote for someone else he thought as scummy (which apparantly is me at the moment) and present an argument for everyone else to do the same. This way, if everyone else believes IC the accused has to answer the charges or just get lynched, or people keep their votes on Ryong and if Ryong turns up town then you have a list of people to suspect in day 2. Either way, more information turns up for town than what an extension or no-lynch would provide.

[Gregness]

*snip*

point in contention here You don't kill people that have evidence saying they are town when others don't.

Okay, this actually helps my point. You're right, what you do is go after the people who don't rather than try to engineer a stalemate to save the ones that do.

[Sifright]

@Sifright - This may just be a fundamental difference in how we view the game then, but we don't win by trying to not-lose. A win is a win regardless of whether one townie is left or if six townies are left. So, we shouldn't be considering saving townies as much as we should be considering killing mafiates. Now, 90% of the time those two are one and the same, but in the times they aren't you have to go with killing mafiates.

When you know both of the current options being offered to the blood god's skull throne are both likely to be town you don't sacrifice them upon his throne just because he hungers for skulls. You look for another option granted this is what the rest of your post says as well but it bears repeating that in the short term you do the sensible thing and stop a likely town death if possible and then work towards getting a mafiate killed.

In this case a single vote from IC was enough to push the vote to a stalemate and keep both of them alive whilst other options are considered, this is a good move to make.

The point i was making about you viewing thing in a binary fashion was because you didn't appear to be taking into account the mariad of options his actions led to and went with a very tight and narrow focus even whilst having in front of you in this thread evidence which points to the opposite.

Edit: fuck i've spent a lot of wordies defending some one that doesn't need defending.

[Gregness]

*snip*

Edit: fuck i've spent a lot of wordies defending some one that doesn't need defending.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. My FoS's send grown men running to their mothers and give innocent southern girls the vapors.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Sifright, there isn't a point in arguing with Gregness. He is clearly of the opinion there should never be any reason period about why to tie up the votes, as its better to let confirmed townies die rather than have a no lynch. Apparently.

[BahamutFlare]

And what was that "tad suspicion" early on? Hopefully not some metagame reasoning, which you've stated your support for already. The popping in to vote for Ryong real quick, sure, but what was there previously?

Hey, enlighten me. I feel like I'm missing something.

When Sifright voted Fenris for the meta reasons, Fenris actually felt the need to defend himself. His defense proved to have no relevant content. Odds are being his first vote, it was going to switch at some point during the day, and a reason as meta as that isn't going to hold water for very long. Every post seemed unnecessary.

Fenris stated that he was mostly town in games prior to Homestruck. Then I say that the post was irrelevant. Then he agrees that the entire discussion was irrelevant. If you knew the argument was irrelevant, why make it?

Also, I have conditions for using meta as a reason and it being acceptable. I'm ok with meta for the first day. It generates discussion, makes people talk. But after D1, it's uses become severely limited.

[Ecks]

I understand what hes getting at, lynch is the towns only weapon and not using it is very bad form. It gives scum a free night kill, for one thing. But Fenris also had a point: lynching people for stupid reasons is also bad form.

My vote stands. Unless a blatant scum tell dances naked in my face I still think rpg is being scummy. That or at the very least he needs to properly explain why me going back to a previous suspect is somehow bandwagon voting.

[Oron]

When Sifright voted Fenris for the meta reasons, Fenris actually felt the need to defend himself. His defense proved to have no relevant content. Odds are being his first vote, it was going to switch at some point during the day, and a reason as meta as that isn't going to hold water for very long. Every post seemed unnecessary.

Fenris stated that he was mostly town in games prior to Homestruck. Then I say that the post was irrelevant. Then he agrees that the entire discussion was irrelevant. If you knew the argument was irrelevant, why make it?

Also, I have conditions for using meta as a reason and it being acceptable. I'm ok with meta for the first day. It generates discussion, makes people talk. But after D1, it's uses become severely limited.

Fenris was stating the whole argument was irrelevant because Sifright's metagame-reasoning was irrelevant. He said what he said in response to Sifright's meta-vote. I completely understand Fenris and RPG arguing against metagaming, and your argument still sounds like a defense of metagaming.

[Oron]

My point was that you made it seem like there was another reason to be suspicious of Fenris aside from anything tied to the metagame debate that had just occurred. I'm still waiting for that reason, simply because I like to have as many facts as possible before I cast my vote for the day.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Wooo, that's a lot of postsplosion to read through on 1.5 hours' worth of sleep. But I think I can do this now...

UNVOTE: Inbred Chocobo

Vote: rpgdemon

[rpgdemon]

Since I'm going to be lynched:

I am: Demoman, BLU "...yer arses ass and I'm the grass man, punk yeah ya havin' heathen..." Drunkard

Pay attention to that formatting. Something there is very obviously impossible to have without having been given it by the GM. If you don't know what it is, then you're probably scum.

[Gregness]

Sifright, there isn't a point in arguing with Gregness. He is clearly of the opinion there should never be any reason period about why to tie up the votes, as its better to let confirmed townies die rather than have a no lynch. Apparently.

While there's always an exception to every rule, yes that is my position. Small correction though, NO ONE is a confirmed townie yet. The evidence certainly suggests that you, Sif, and Ryong are town, but one or more of you could be scum pulling off a masterful ruse.

Since I'm going to be lynched:

I am: Demoman, BLU "...yer arses ass and I'm the grass man, punk yeah ya havin' heathen..." Drunkard

Pay attention to that formatting. Something there is very obviously impossible to have without having been given it by the GM. If you don't know what it is, then you're probably scum.

Again, it's important to be skeptical in Mafia games. I see the thing you're talking about, but there's always the possibility you could've faked it.

tl;dr - You guys are all lying fucks until proven otherwise.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

AARGHHBLARGHLE

Unvote: rpgdemon

Vote: Gregness

Because that tl;dr can - and probably will - be used against you.

[Fenris]

The evidence certainly suggests that you, Sif, and Ryong are town, but one or more of you could be scum pulling off a masterful ruse.

Christ, it's about time somebody said this.

tl;dr - You guys are all lying fucks until proven otherwise.

This too.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Have one more exam to do tomorrow. After that I'll try to get fully caught up and contribute.

[Inbred Chocobo]

The biggest thing I am curious about is what does the Drunkard role do?

[Ryong]

Drunkard seems like a vanilla role, but I can totally be wrong on that. Either way:

Unvote:rpgdemon

While there's always an exception to every rule, yes that is my position. Small correction though, NO ONE is a confirmed townie yet. The evidence certainly suggests that you, Sif, and Ryong are town, but one or more of you could be scum pulling off a masterful ruse.



Again, it's important to be skeptical in Mafia games. I see the thing you're talking about, but there's always the possibility you could've faked it.

tl;dr - You guys are all lying fucks until proven otherwise.

Alright, who the shit do I vote on, then? Or do you want a roleclaim as proof because I clearly haven't given enough info yet.

[BahamutFlare]

Fenris was stating the whole argument was irrelevant because Sifright's metagame-reasoning was irrelevant. He said what he said in response to Sifright's meta-vote. I completely understand Fenris and RPG arguing against metagaming, and your argument still sounds like a defense of metagaming.

He didn't say it was irrelevant til I said it was irrelevant. He was arguing beforehand about that meta stuff. If you think something is irrelevant, then why argue it? He obviously felt the need to defend himself from a reason he dubbed to be pointless and have no merit. So why did he seem so concerned about it?

It doesn't matter if I'm arguing for or against metagaming. I think it's ok to do D1. End of discussion. My argument is entirely over how he handled the meta argument rather than the meta itself.

FoS: Oron

[Fenris]

He didn't say it was irrelevant til I said it was irrelevant. He was arguing beforehand about that meta stuff. If you think something is irrelevant, then why argue it? He obviously felt the need to defend himself from a reason he dubbed to be pointless and have no merit. So why did he seem so concerned about it?

It doesn't matter if I'm arguing for or against metagaming. I think it's ok to do D1. End of discussion. My argument is entirely over how he handled the meta argument rather than the meta itself.

FoS: Oron

I argued it because at the time my name was the only one being thrown around (third post in the thread), it's day one, and that kind of thing has actually gotten people lynched, and at the time of my first post I was the only person who had multiple votes on them.

An irrelevant argument can still convince people to make stupid decisions.

tl;dr: the argument was irrelevant, the votes were not

[rpgdemon]

I have a power as Drunkard, but it's not worth mentioning right now. It's enough of an ability that I want it to be kept low, and I can't use it right now, anyway.

When it is usable, and ONLY if it seems prudent, I will let you guys know what it is.

[rpgdemon]

Okay, so, people who have posted and not unvoted me: What is keeping you from doing so? I am going to assume that you don't understand the proof.

Unvote: Ecks
Vote: Gregness

[Aldurin]

Unvote: rpgdemon

FoS: rpgdemon

I'm getting several minor red flags from your roleclaim, but it does seem legit enough that I'll let you off the hook for now.

[Sifright]

unvote:rpgdemon

vote:oron

I'm going to trust rpgdemons roleclaim.

Fos for

Fenris, Greg

Still not utterly convinced by Rpg but i'd rather lynch some one that hasn't given some evidence towards being town.

Oron and Fenris are currently pinging as scum the most to me

[Sifright]

oh There was a page 3.

Yea...

Sorry, I'm going to have to move back to a fenris lynch vote.

Out of my self IC and Ryong at the very least Ryong is actually highly highly likely to be town. His win condition post is exactly correct.

I should also be considered likely to be town. The only proviso is i could have taken a gamble in confirming his win condition.

Fenris is trying to spread suspicion on people that should be treated as confirmed for now, as is Gregness.

unVote:Gregness

Vote:Fenris

Edit: Fenris is most probably Mafia, I'm not sure about Greg but he's second on my list.

[Fenris]

oh There was a page 3.

Yea...

Sorry, I'm going to have to move back to a fenris lynch vote.

Out of my self IC and Ryong at the very least Ryong is actually highly highly likely to be town. His win condition post is exactly correct.

I should also be considered likely to be town. The only proviso is i could have taken a gamble in confirming his win condition.

Fenris is trying to spread suspicion on people that should be treated as confirmed for now, as is Gregness.

unVote:Gregness

Vote:Fenris

Edit: Fenris is most probably Mafia, I'm not sure about Greg but he's second on my list.

I'm not even going to dignify this with a response beyond this. Your reasons for acting are literally incomprehensible the way you have expressed them. Trying to use even an iota of common sense and critical thinking would result in recognizing why nobody is actually confirmed as town despite evidence leaning one way or the other.

Also you know how I play as a mafiate (theoretically) better than most, given that you were on my team last game. Granted, I spent the majority of the game on damage control, but still. You should be able to see the high level of activity that I have in this game as indicative of my Blu-ness.

[Fenris]

Also you know how I play as a mafiate (theoretically) better than most, given that you were on my team last game. Granted, I spent the majority of the game on damage control, but still. You should be able to see the high level of activity that I have in this game as indicative of my Blu-ness.

P.S., this is what meta-gaming actually is.

[Sifright]

I'm not even going to dignify this with a response beyond this. Your reasons for acting are literally incomprehensible the way you have expressed them. Trying to use even an iota of common sense and critical thinking would result in recognizing why nobody is actually confirmed as town despite evidence leaning one way or the other.

Also you know how I play as a mafiate (theoretically) better than most, given that you were on my team last game. Granted, I spent the majority of the game on damage control, but still. You should be able to see the high level of activity that I have in this game as indicative of my Blu-ness.

ps this is all crap.

[greed]

Unvote: Bard

Now that the silly day 1 voting has stopped. Will catch up and post more later if I something worth moving on.

[Fenris]

ps this is all crap.

Believe what you want, princess.

[rpgdemon]

The reason I'm voting Gregness above anyone else is that he's currently on the suspicious list of the most people. I have a reason aside from crowdsourcing to do that though: I think I'm still going to be lynched if no one else is suspicious.

My voting strategy tends to be, in general, if my vote is going to be useless at the end of the day, move it to a person on whom it might make a difference. We've got, what, five hours left? I'm not going to tell you who to put your vote on: Fenris might have a lot of people vote for him after you do, or it could be a dead vote. I'm just trying to explain my reasoning.

[Oron]

Well, I'm not sure if I'll be up much later, but before I vote... I have some issues, Sif.

Supporting Ryong. Yeah, yeah, his win conditions match up with BLU's. For all we know, he could be a member of scum team, and their win conditions are "You win when all non-RED are dead." It wouldn't be too hard to guess what town's win conditions are in that case. Even if RO didn't send him his win conditions, I'm not going to just take that at face value. But you did.

I'm going to assume you think I'm suspicious because I haven't voted yet. If not, well say something so I know why you're suspicious of me. I just want to make sure I know what's up.

And your deal with Gregness. All he's really said is that he doesn't support the no-lynch and that it's good to be skeptical. But to you that means he's throwing suspicion at people. Why would he argue against the no-lynch if he were scum? Heck, if we don't lynch anybody, we learn little to nothing and scum basically gets a free night to kill somebody. Arguing that we might kill a townie seems kind of silly to me at this point. Given the number of people who seem to be active, scum wouldn't have much trouble pushing the balance of the vote off of one of their own. At least, I'd think so.

Anyway, that's all I've got. Seem stupid? It probably is. Either way, there isn't much point to voting for you tonight as I'd be the only person to do so, unless I'm completely missing something in my tiredness. I'll read back through later and cast my vote.

[Oron]

Well, I'm going to bed. Vote time.

Vote: Fenris

I lingered on voting for him earlier, but Day One being Day One, the lack of general information makes me want to wait it out. I questioned Bahamut because the way I read that first post I quoted, it seemed to me like he saw something that I missed. That really would have sealed my vote earlier, but his response was basically stuff he already said.

But then this part:
Also you know how I play as a mafiate (theoretically) better than most, given that you were on my team last game. Granted, I spent the majority of the game on damage control, but still. You should be able to see the high level of activity that I have in this game as indicative of my Blu-ness.

Sounds like a shoddy defense, and nothing else came up, so that's where my vote goes.

[Sifright]

Well, I'm not sure if I'll be up much later, but before I vote... I have some issues, Sif.

I'm going to assume you think I'm suspicious because I haven't voted yet. If not, well say something so I know why you're suspicious of me. I just want to make sure I know what's up.

And your deal with Gregness. All he's really said is that he doesn't support the no-lynch and that it's good to be skeptical. But to you that means he's throwing suspicion at people. Why would he argue against the no-lynch if he were scum? Heck, if we don't lynch anybody, we learn little to nothing and scum basically gets a free night to kill somebody. Arguing that we might kill a townie seems kind of silly to me at this point. Given the number of people who seem to be active, scum wouldn't have much trouble pushing the balance of the vote off of one of their own. At least, I'd think so.

Anyway, that's all I've got. Seem stupid? It probably is. Either way, there isn't much point to voting for you tonight as I'd be the only person to do so, unless I'm completely missing something in my tiredness. I'll read back through later and cast my vote.

Mostly because you were skirting around conversations and not taking a stance, non-committal play is sign of scum but not a great indicator.


Supporting Ryong. Yeah, yeah, his win conditions match up with BLU's. For all we know, he could be a member of scum team, and their win conditions are "You win when all non-RED are dead." It wouldn't be too hard to guess what town's win conditions are in that case. Even if RO didn't send him his win conditions, I'm not going to just take that at face value. But you did.

The problem with this idea is that the win condition has specific formating that would be VERY hard to guess.

I'm not fond of people trying to cast doubt on those who have evidence saying they are town precisely because it makes things like roleclaims and trying to actually play an evidence based game worthless. This removes a lot of options from town and helps mafia a lot.

I'm still somewhat suspicious of you.

i'm more worried about the people who aren't posting at all though the entire mafia team could be hiding out in that group with the numbers left.

Edit:


Sounds like a shoddy defense, and nothing else came up, so that's where my vote goes.

Worse in the last game he explicitly told me in mafia communication he was inactive due to other commitments. So his defense comes across as a lie to me as well.

[Revising Ocelot]

Mission ends in 100 minutes!


Vote count as of this post
rpgdemon - 2: Moogle, Ecks
Gregness - 3: IC, Rhiya, Gregness
Oron - 1: Sifright
Fenris - 1: Oron


Sif, your latest votes don't make sense. Checked back over the thread and it does look from here that you never voted Gregness and thus you're still voting Oron.

[Moogle0119]

Unvote: rpgdemon

Vote: Fenris

After all the arguing about how we shouldn't use past games as evidence in current games of someone's innocence or guilt (whether it be from what role you were assigned or how you behaved) I can't believe you said what Oron quoted. Plus, I'm willing to believe rpgdemon unless he gets counter claimed.

[Sifright]

wait im voting oron?

Unvote:Oron

Vote: Fenris

Fenris is coming across as scum the most to me.

[Sifright]

Revolving in the event of a tie between two votes what happens

Edit: If a tie ends in no lynch i'll move my vote to Gregness assuming no one else moves a vote onto fenris

Double Edit: presuming the third vote from gregness is actually Rpgs vote and not a self vote from greg.

[Revising Ocelot]

Tiebreaks end in YOU FAIL.

[Sifright]

so 40 minutes until end of day?

I'm watching this thread pretty closely.

Unvote:fenris

If some one votes fenris or takes a vote away from greg i'll revote fen

[Revising Ocelot]

http://i.imgur.com/1irWv.png



"Those fools. Not only are they unable to even comprehend the colour of people's uniforms, they can't even argue amongst themselves in a timely fashion. No-one has even half the required votes. Instead of killing, they are debating FOOD!"



"OVERTIME! OVERTIME! OVERTIME! OV-"

"Miss Pauling! That speech impediment from the 'WAR!' event is acting up again. Get me more cigarettes IMMEDIATELY."



Less pancakes, more voting. Mission ends in 24 hours!

[Sifright]

Vote:Fenris

In the event of no one having half the votes by the end of the overtime what happens?

[Ecks]

I was off in adventure land with my girlfriend yesterday and went to bed without checking the forums :P wish that subscription thing wouldn't stop sending me emails, someone should fix that.

Is it too late to change my vote? rpg's roleclaim looks legit from a format standpoint.

Unvote: rpgdemon
Vote: Fenris

Something isn't right here, and it's either greg or fen at the moment, given the assload of suspicious behavior going on between the two of them. I'll post again when I'm awake and not on my phone, top hard to actually read and type out my argument from my phone :/

[Inbred Chocobo]

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Fenris

Main reason, Fenris stated his activity from last game was due to him having other commitments which he stated bought to Sifright and in the thread. (I'm not going back to dig it up but I remember reading that).

Now he stated it was because he was mafia.

No.

[rpgdemon]

If Fenris is lying about the past, that's good enough for me as a reason to vote for him. There's no reason anyone should be lying about what happened.

unvote: Gregness
vote: Fenris

[BahamutFlare]

*snippet*

Supporting Ryong. Yeah, yeah, his win conditions match up with BLU's. For all we know, he could be a member of scum team, and their win conditions are "You win when all non-RED are dead." It wouldn't be too hard to guess what town's win conditions are in that case. Even if RO didn't send him his win conditions, I'm not going to just take that at face value. But you did.

1st: I thought I had a vote going for Fenris.
Vote: Fenris

2nd: I have the feeling that this is an attempt to make Ryong look like he could be scum. The mafia usually wins when they outnumber the town usually. Nikose's Forbidden Realms game was the only exception I can think of as it was a bit unique.

[BahamutFlare]

Granted, yes we know that there is a chance that they aren't town, but scum team is usually the first to try and say, "Hey maybe those guys that have pretty good proof of being town are scum."

[Revising Ocelot]

The crowd of misfits, too oblivious to notice the colour of each other's uniforms, had started to mutter about Fenris. The Announcer had been clear - start killing. With no rope handy, the only recourse was to throw someone in front of the regular speeding trains that passed through Well. But as the motley crew started asking -who- Fenris was...

"Ahem! Everybody! If I could gather your attention-"

*BLAM* went the shotgun.

"Ah! Good. I hate using this thing, even when firing into the air. Might hit an innocent creature. Anyway, we aren't going to find the culprits who threw us together like this by arguing amongst ourselves. We need to have a proper debate! One person should speak at a time only! I'm sure if we're all reasonable we can-"


"Mission ends in 10 seconds!"


"What? Oh my! I think I must have hit some electronics with this blasted weapon. Whatever shall-"


"YOU FAIL! Stalemate!"


Day 1 has ended and nobody has been killed! The server is now loading ctf_doublecross.

[Revising Ocelot]

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/ae/CTF_DoubleCross_RedBase.png/800px-CTF_DoubleCross_RedBase.png


Night falls as the map changes to Capture The Flag mode. The Engineer bots spring into action and immediately plant sentries everywhere around the two bases, rendering normal interaction beyond a hail of rockets and ammunition unfeasible.

However, on the lower bridge, shadowy figures start to sneak across in both directions...


It is Night 1! Those of you with night roles, PM me with your actions in the next 24 hours.
And don't forget to set your user status to invisible before doing anything!

[Revising Ocelot]

Just a note that my internet has been FU all day, so if there's no post by 6PM GMT tomorrow it'll have been upgraded to FUBAR.

[Revising Ocelot]

OVERTIME!


Still haven't received PMs from all night roles.

[Fenris]

Traditionally, that is when you just end the night, since you posted a clear deadline and all.

But I mean, up to you. Just throwin' that out there since you've not GM'd before.

/nightpost

[Revising Ocelot]

I did consider that, yes. But I'm extending the deadline until:

12AM GMT just for this Night.

[Revising Ocelot]

Some of you have full PM inboxes. Sort it out.

[Revising Ocelot]

As the round draws to its conclusion, a glitch in the AI causes the Engineer bots to destroy their sentries and start spamming requests for teleporters, allowing the two teams to converge once again. They still completely fail to spot the colour of each other's clothing, but they do notice other things...


By the stairs, a disembodied pair of legs are dangling in the air, supported by the bottom half of Oron's torso. The rest of him is spread around the nearby vicinity. Intermingled with the gibs are other bulky pieces of flesh that used to belong to Mr. Bookworm, showing signs that he has been utterly torn apart by a spontaneous horde of zombies.

In the middle of the lower bridge are the ashes of Arhra. With no urn handy, the pile is carefully swept into the chasm.

Night 1 is over! The server is changing map to pl_frontier when people sort out their inboxes.

[Fenris]

This was written shortly after I awoke and found that it was night.

-----

You all decided to be dumb while I was in bed. Shame on you.

Worse in the last game he explicitly told me in mafia communication he was inactive due to other commitments. So his defense comes across as a lie to me as well.
If you were paying attention, you might have noticed that my activity increased after I posted saying that my activity would decrease. While shit did in fact come up, I became more vested in the game as I saw that with a little work, I could pretty easily turn the game into a victory.

You bumbling around like a fool slowed my plan down, but thankfully I disassociated myself from you and your antics.

Unvote: rpgdemon

Vote: Fenris

After all the arguing about how we shouldn't use past games as evidence in current games of someone's innocence or guilt (whether it be from what role you were assigned or how you behaved) I can't believe you said what Oron quoted. Plus, I'm willing to believe rpgdemon unless he gets counter claimed.What I was saying was that you shouldn't use very stupid evidence from past games when considering current games. Evidence based wholly on chance (past roles) is very stupid evidence whereas utilizing information based on how people act when they have certain roles is how you play a mafia game.

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Fenris

Main reason, Fenris stated his activity from last game was due to him having other commitments which he stated bought to Sifright and in the thread. (I'm not going back to dig it up but I remember reading that).

Now he stated it was because he was mafia.

No.
If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that on the first day as a mafiate, I very rarely tend to involve myself.

Look at all this involvement! I have no idea how you tend to peg so many of the scum, when this is the effort you have put forth in this game.
If Fenris is lying about the past, that's good enough for me as a reason to vote for him.

There's no reason anyone should be lying about what happened.

unvote: Gregness
vote: Fenris
I'm not lying about the past. I'm just remembering it accurately.

So, I'm gonna roleclaim, Dr. Kleiner, BLU "Someone has hidden my glasses again!" Inventor., believe it or don't, don't give a shit anymore. It's like trying to reason with a brick wall, except the brick wall probably has a higher appreciation for logic.

The RED team will win if you continue playing this poorly. Unless you're on the RED team, then you're doing an ace job thus far.

[Revising Ocelot]

I'm gonna count that as a Day post. Day doesn't start until I CAN ACTUALLY REPLY TO PEOPLE.

[Fenris]

I'm gonna count that as a Day post. Day doesn't start until I CAN ACTUALLY REPLY TO PEOPLE.

Sorry, I figured that Night being over and various people being dead meant that Day had begun.

/dawnpost

[Revising Ocelot]

Alright, some people insist on being stupid with their private messaging. Remember the promise of cutting my way out of primate hell?

From now on, people who don't message their night roles (even if it's just "no action"), leave their inbox open for replies or don't post in the thread WILL get Saxton Hale Punched out of the game. You're ruining it for everyone.


Now, with that said...


http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/b/b4/Pl_frontier_4.jpg/800px-Pl_frontier_4.jpg

Day 2 begins. The map is now pl_frontier for approximately 72 hours.

[Ryong]

...Wait a second, we don't get to know their roles or names or teams?

Also, zombie horde?

If there's no cult...Either the mafia is a zombie horde or the serial killer, which would be quite strange for one person to be a horde.

[Gregness]

So, with the lynch being mysteriously stopped (I'm guessing via someone's special powers) and the night deaths not revealing role information we're not really any closer to finding mafiates than we were last night.

*snip*

Also, zombie horde?

If there's no cult...Either the mafia is a zombie horde or the serial killer, which would be quite strange for one person to be a horde.

That's probably the serial killer's handiwork. The character probably isn't a zombie horde per se, but since it's Valve mafia, it might be one of the L4D guys with bottles of boomer bile as their kill method.

[Fenris]

So, with the lynch being mysteriously stopped (I'm guessing via someone's special powers)
That was me; I sent RO a PM saying to use the shotgun if I was to be lynched while I was sleeping.

[Ryong]

Oh okay yes that makes a lot more sense.

[Aldurin]

Yeah I'm just gonna get the ball rollin' again by roleclaiming, since this is the only way I can shake things up.

I am Wheatley, BLU "I've got an idea, but it is bloody dangerous!" Moron. BLU Vanilla powers (whatever that means). It just annoys me since I like having some means of shaking up the dynamic and keeping people interested.

You may now resume your meta-WIFOM arguments.

[BahamutFlare]

Hopefully SK nailed a Red team member instead of blu. But I'm really aggravated that we don't know the alignment of said dead people.

Not entirely sure who to vote. Aldurin, why did you roleclaim? D2 couldn't have started long ago. People just need to see that night is over. So I'll do so tomorrow.

Vote: BahamutFlare

That guy has nothing to contribute right now.

[rpgdemon]

Aldurin is scum: His roleclaim is wrong. Again, pay attention to it, and it'll show why. Since it's still tripping scum up, I'm not going to say what it is, unless I need to.

Vote: Aldurin

[Ryong]

If you're using the logic I think you're using then so is Fenris and you're either mafia/sk trying to lynch an actual townie or both of them just didn't do a perfect job on writing their claims WHICH MEANS THEY'RE WRONG FOREVER.

I am inclined to believe the former more, though.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hopefully SK nailed a Red team member instead of blu. But I'm really aggravated that we don't know the alignment of said dead people.

Not entirely sure who to vote. Aldurin, why did you roleclaim? D2 couldn't have started long ago. People just need to see that night is over. So I'll do so tomorrow.

Vote: BahamutFlare

That guy has nothing to contribute right now.

What?

And Aldurin, also what? Like, i don't see what is inherently wrong with the roleclaim itself but there seems little reason for it right now.

Both of you explain! (exams have ended btw)

[rpgdemon]

If you're using the logic I think you're using then so is Fenris and you're either mafia/sk trying to lynch an actual townie or both of them just didn't do a perfect job on writing their claims WHICH MEANS THEY'RE WRONG FOREVER.

I am inclined to believe the former more, though.

FOS: Ryong.

It's late, but pay attention to the claim, people. Fenris did not make the same mistake. And it's a big mistake.

[Fenris]

FOS: Ryong.

It's late, but pay attention to the claim, people. Fenris did not make the same mistake. And it's a big mistake.

Oh damn, I see it now, too.

Vote: Aldurin

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh! I see now!

I guess that makes him as good a suspect as any. Although I guess it may have just been a legit formatting error?

Vote: Aldurin

[BahamutFlare]

I cannot think right now so clearly. Hence I'm saying confusion is happening, and analyzing behavior is a bit difficult right now. I voted for myself just to push myself when I wake up. However, I couldn't sleep.

Although good catch RPG.

Unvote: BF
Vote: Aldurin

[Aldurin]

Wait, what formatting error?

And seriously? Immediately bandwagoning me instead of farming info?

[Gregness]

The roleclaims thus far:

Demoman, BLU "...yer arses ass and I'm the grass man, punk yeah ya havin' heathen..." Drunkard


Dr. Kleiner, BLU "Someone has hidden my glasses again!" Inventor.

Wheatley, BLU "I've got an idea, but it is bloody dangerous!" Moron

To which we have this:

FOS: Ryong.

It's late, but pay attention to the claim, people. Fenris did not make the same mistake. And it's a big mistake.

I literally didn't see the difference until after I was halfway done writing a big post about how there was no difference.

Vote: Aldurin

[Aldurin]

Oh wait, you're really lynching me over how I was too lazy to look at the exact color code in my PM and instead guess on the closest color?

REALLY?

[Gregness]

Actually, yeah, nevermind, we can always go back to lynching Aldurin later, but there's no need to end the day prematurely like this. We need to dredge up all the information we can given that we got next to no information from the night post.

Unvote: Aldurin

[Fenris]

Yeah, fair enough. Let's be reals here, he probably copy/pasted the role from his PM and added colors later.

Unvote: Earl

[Sifright]

All of you jumping on him over the color code of his message are dumb.

Edit:Oron was a boomer/bomb Bookworm killed him and got splashed with boomer bile and then torn apart by zombies is my read

It's possible Book was the SK or a town killer

[greed]

So uh why didn't you just copy and paste it, Aldurin? Not gonna vote for you yet, I think some discussion might be good first, but will


FoS: Aldurin

And vote for you once the deadline looms unless something better comes up.

[Sifright]

So, with the lynch being mysteriously stopped (I'm guessing via someone's special powers) and the night deaths not revealing role information we're not really any closer to finding mafiates than we were last night.



That's probably the serial killer's handiwork. The character probably isn't a zombie horde per se, but since it's Valve mafia, it might be one of the L4D guys with bottles of boomer bile as their kill method.

This fails to take into account that both of their death messages are intermingled and so are their corpses

They definately died together is the implication.

I think mafia will be the zombies.

[Revising Ocelot]

OP updated. Also:

It takes 8 votes to lynch.

[greed]

Oron was a boomer/bomb Bookworm killed him and got splashed with boomer bile and then torn apart by zombies is my read

It's possible Book was the SK or a town killer

I agree with this message.

Also my other point of skepticism with Aldurin's roleclaim is I'm kinda unsure about Wheatley being a town role.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Already three roleclaims? Is that ever a wise thing to do at such an early stage?!

I'm utterly confused as to what's going on :(

[Ecks]

FoS: Earl

This being Valve mafia, I'm very suspicious of anyone claiming a vanilla role. It seems too... Ordinary. Might be shitty reasoning on my part but I've been wrong before in that department.

[Ryong]

Goddamnit colorcode.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Eeeeh that was probably a hasty vote, yeah.

Unvote: Earl

I ought to catch up on some other stuff earlier in the game before I cast another vote.

[Sifright]

Fenris quick question, you copy pasted your role message correct?


Edit: Also, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK dieing doesn't even reveal role information. Great there goes any ability to verify anything.

[Ecks]

Might... might there be a passive power in place preventing that? RO is making a specific point that we aren't able to recognize the colors on our uniforms. Unless I'm reading too much into it and that's a flavor text reason for how we don't recognize who's red or blu.

[rpgdemon]

I just assumed that he was saying, "Yeah, if you could see eachother's colors it'd be over in a second", but it could be some power going on.

[Gregness]

I'd been under the impression that we were all in BLU uniforms it's just that some of us are actually RED spies.

Guess not.

[Ecks]

Might it also be a consequence of Fenris' power usage of ending the day early? Might that be part of his power?

[Aldurin]

Yeah, my copy/paste doesn't carry the colorcode, I feel pretty dumb for that now. Sorry about freaking people out about that.

Being unaware of the uniforms is probably RO's way to justify a mafia setup in a TF2 setting.

As for last night's shenanigans, I agree with the Boomer theory, which still leaves open whether bookie is the Vig, SK or RED. Any guess on whether the Pyro is RED or BLU? Or would Pyro be the SK because fire has no alignment?

[BahamutFlare]

I didn't even notice the color code. Maybe because I didn't have them side by side. However, I noticed something else wrong with it. I don't trust the fact that it is vanilla. There's usually something even if it's super small. And I don't trust the fact that Wheatley if I remember correctly wasn't really a moron (except to Glados, who everyone is a moron). Rather he was a misguided personality.

[Sifright]

No wheatley was designed to be the dumbest AI physically possible to create. He was created as a modular downgrade to GladOS so that the scientists there would be able to deal with her/it. Obviously that didn't work.

I don't believe the vanilla claim. The colour code thing could be a mistake as you dont copy paste formating unless you take it from the reply section instead of the pm it's self.

My other problem is thematic Wheatley is only friendly at the start of Portal 2 and becomes the main enemy during the story.

I've a few differing ideas on what the Mafia could be, but with out information to really go on it's a total shot in the dark and not worth persuing. WE actually desperately need a lynch so we can get some information to work on as town. The outcome of the lynch yesterday really screwed us over in pretty much every way possible.

Also still waiting on an answer from fenris.

[Fenris]

Fenris quick question, you copy pasted your role message correct?

I clicked reply and then copy pasted the entire formatting of my role name, thus the double punctuation (.,) and such in my roleclaim post.

[Sifright]

Question to Aldurin

What is the very next thing AFTER the word moron in your role PM?

[Aldurin]

A picture of Wheatley on his core-rail thing in Chell's bedroom. There's no punctuation at the end of my assigned role, so that's probably an inconsistency on RO's part if other people do.

[Sifright]

my role doesn't have punctuation on the end of it either. it was an inconsistency with fenris role claim that pinged up to me.

Does any one have that?

[Fenris]

It is also wholly possible that RO was inconsistent in typing up the role PMs.

Mine definitely did have a period there - why else would I have a period followed immediately by a comma, when I'm such a stickler for accuracy and grammar?

[Aldurin]

I went looking through the list for inactives and the only true inactive is Masked Jedi, who hasn't even posted yet. Please give us your thoughts, because it's honestly fun-breaking to be completely silent.

Actually, I forgot that Gem appears to be the pyro based on his post restrictions. If he incinerated Arhra (which is pretty damn likely) then I have to ask if he can somehow convey what he suspected Arhra to be.

I'm going to keep looking through the day 1 stuff to see what if I can find anything useful.

[Geminex]

If he incinerated Arhra (which is pretty damn likely)
gvdf5n-zI14

http://i.imgur.com/QwwWI.png

http://i.imgur.com/yy5cZ.png

Mmphmmph nnph? (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=nTbL5elVXrU&p=n#/106;108)

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

*snip*

My other problem is thematic Wheatley is only friendly at the start of Portal 2 and becomes the main enemy during the story.

*snip*

You could say a similar context in just about every 'role' in a Valve mafia in this game. There's a problem just by being a Valve character.

I think Geminex is just being difficult, much like what Arhra was doing in D1 acting like GLaDOS... Then again, I wouldn't be surprised either with the Pyro's reputation of "SPYCHEEEEECK!!!!" that the pyro's role (not saying Gem is the Pyro) could actually be town-aligned vigilante of some sort?

[Geminex]

I think Geminex is just being difficult,
http://i.imgur.com/V7W28.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pmdWw.png



that the pyro's role (not saying Gem is the Pyro) could actually be town-aligned vigilante of some sort?
gvdf5n-zI14
http://i.imgur.com/QwwWI.png

Edit:
"You are the Pyro, BLU "Hmmmphmph!" Tracker."