Man Allegedly Tries to Eat Another Man

[Terex4]

Just a bit of weird news. (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html)
One man was shot to death by Miami police, and another man is fighting for his life after he was attacked and his face allegedly half eaten, by a naked man on the MacArthur Causeway off ramp, police said.

The bloodshed began about 2 p.m. when a series of gunshots were heard on the ramp, which is along NE 13th Street, just south of The Miami Herald building. Witnesses said a woman saw the two men fighting and flagged down a police officer who was in the area.

The officer, who has not been identified, approached and saw that the naked man was actually chewing the other man’s head, according to witnesses. The officer ordered the naked man to back away, and when he continued the assault, the officer shot him. The attacker continued to eat the man, despite being shot, forcing the officer to continue firing. Witnesses said they heard at least a half dozen shots.

Miami police were on the scene, which was just south of The Miami Herald building on Biscayne Boulevard. The naked man who was killed lay face down on the pedestrian walkway just below the newspaper’s two-story parking garage. Police requested The Herald’s video surveillance tapes.

The other man was transported to the hospital with critical injuries, according to police. Their identities were not released.

The incident, which came as crowds descended upon South Beach for the annual Urban Beach Week hip-hop festival, snarled traffic on the causeway for several hours.

In a text message, Javier Ortiz, spokesman for Miami police’s Fraternal Order of Police, said the officer who fired the fatal shots was “a hero.”

“Based on the information provided, our Miami police officer is a hero and saved a life,’’ he said.

Sergeant Altarr Williams, supervisor of Miami police’s Homicide Unit, said a man doesn’t have to be armed to be dangerous.

“There are other ways to injure people,’’ Williams said. “Some people know martial arts, others are very strong and can kill you with their hands.’’
This was just posted today so, of course, everything is still mostly hearsay, but it may be interesting to see how this story develops once they start releasing details.

Get your zombie plans figured out folks. I'll see you in Alaska.

[Magus]

This is indeed the first scene of like, a dozen zombie movies. The only question is: should one focus on shotguns or rifles? It seems like shotguns would be awful splattery.

[Aldurin]

Do both, no need to wait for them to come into shotgun range.

[Amake]

Kind of odd a cop couldn't try to restrain one naked guy before shooting him. I hope he was an actual zombie and not, like, having epilepsy or something.

Oh wait, Sergeant Altarr Williams, supervisor of Miami police’s Homicide Unit, said a man doesn’t have to be armed to be dangerous.

“There are other ways to injure people,’’ Williams said. “Some people know martial arts, others are very strong and can kill you with their hands.’’ apparently it's Miami PD procedure to shoot unarmed people because you never know, they might be ninjas?

[Magus]

You got a good point. A taser would probably have sufficed to get him to stop eating the other guy's face (since apparently shooting him once did not help much).

[Amake]

It might have helped, or maybe not. But I guess it's hard to tell since apparently no one even thought about trying not to kill the guy.

[Ryong]

See this is what "preparing for the zombie apocalypse" has done.

[Terex4]

It might have helped, or maybe not. But I guess it's hard to tell since apparently no one even thought about trying not to kill the guy.
Especially considering that with his first shot not being a kill-shot, what was he doing firing on someone who was on top of his victim. Seems the chances of hitting the one he was trying to protect were rather high...

[Osterbaum]

Standard procedure is to only pull a gun on someone if they pose a threat that you couldn't handle with non-lethal equipment. This can vary a bit, so if a guy eating another guys face and not responding to commands is reason enough to pull a gun or not is debatable. If we assume that getting his gun out was justified, then the procedure would be: "Stop, or I'll shoot", then a warning shot and again "Stop!", followed by an incapacitating shot to the leg and finally killing shot if the guy still doesn't stop. That's of course for an ideal situation, where time for example isn't too pressing an issue at the moment. Again, if he did more or less follow the procedure then it was at least legally justified to shoot this guy.

Following procedure is important, and any time the police shoots someone it should be investigated to determine if it was necessary. But in this case I can't say I feel too sorry for this face-eating guy.

Now can we get this boring serious stuff out of the way and speculate about the Zombie Apocalypse, please.

[Sifright]

So we have what a week until the guy with his face eaten off dies and rises from the dead maybe less?

Precautions to take

Buy up tinned food that will last ages.

Get stores of clean bottled water. Running water won't be around to much longer

Make sure to get a lot of spare tools, they wont really be replaceable onces things really start going to hell. You want tough clothes that are very resistant to puncturing whilst still allowing you to be flexible.

Fatties among us you have a week at max to get your cardio into shape the apocalypse requires a lot of running.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Do both, no need to wait for them to come into shotgun range.

Depends on how many skill points you start out with though. And if you spend too much in Ranged you might not have any left to put into Melee, which could be a mistake, especially if there are fast zombies around.

Of course the real question is whether to pick a Soldier class, or go with Scientist and spec out Intelligence and Medicine skills, since those could be important too.

I dunno man, it's too early to tell yet, need more info.

[Osterbaum]

Fatties among us you have a week at max to get your cardio into shape the apocalypse requires a lot of running.

Well actually if you're doing things right, you'll be running a lot less and just staying out of sight a lot more, moving silently and without being seen unless you want to be seen.

[Sifright]

Even so if the need arises you want to have the fitness around. Also even moving quietly for any prolonged length of time whilst you are under great stress is very tiring.

[Osterbaum]

Someone previously mentioned which type of gun would be the best to use. The answer is almost always Assault-Rifle. And in that category, the AK-family is the best choice in many ways. Remember to have some kind of a melee weapon with you at all times. I suppose as far as being armed goes, the ideal combo for me would be assault-rifle, pistol and crowbar etc.

[RobinStarwing]

Oh come on, we all know chainsaws make ludicrous gibs/hamburger of zombies and imps!

[Ecks]

rob don't you know that's impractical as fuck

jeebus man, go get yourself a nice wooden or aluminium bat, maybe a machete (or if you're weaboo enough for it) a ninjato or katana (real ones, not that horseshit replica stuff you find at shitty trade shows and festival vendor tents).

then you got to stock up on some hardware. someone mentioned kaloshnikov stuff, get some of those. also stock up on some american made stuff, most things made by colt, browning, or smith-wesson are actually very good, can't go wrong with an M-16 or M-4 (the AR-15 is a civilian model of the M-16 and is quite popular). i myself favor the classic M1911 .45, there's a reason it was standard issue for the army for a long time.

i don't know much about ammo types or what they do, so someone else can recommend what would be useful in that department. all i know is you need bullets shells and slugs to shoot stuff with.

[akaSM]

Oh wait, apparently it's Miami PD procedure to shoot unarmed people because you never know, they might be zombies?

FTFY, also, it makes sense.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Man we should be eating people. They got heaps of sweet meat on them.

[Ecks]

smarty that's called cannibalism and it is totally a thing that is not okay in civilized... uh... society.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Worldwide food shortages. Meat is expensive. Its win win.
Like you get diseases and shit form eating human meat but surely we could fix that if we wanted to.
Why aren't we eating like dead people.

[Osterbaum]

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[akaSM]

Why aren't we eating like dead people.

Babies are tastier and more nutritious.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Oh come on, we all know chainsaws make ludicrous gibs/hamburger of zombies and imps!

Man who the fuck uses chainsaws to kill zombies? They're big, unwieldy, make a bloody mess (not good if it's a blood borne viral outbreak) and run on petrol that could better be put to use powering your getaway vehicle. You might as well advocate using a flamethrower whilst you're at it!

For zombies you want bludging weapons, blunt force trauma all the way.

[RobinStarwing]

Okay fine, no chainsaws.

I will go take levels in Cleric instead.

[IHateMakingNames]

Why did the naked man go for the face? Is face meat more tender and delicious? I can't think of any animals where we eat the face.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

It's not even like that's where you aim to incapacitate or kill. If you wanted to take somebody out you'd tear their throat out or something.

[rpgdemon]

Why aren't we eating like dead people.

Dead people don't really eat very well.

Heck, UNDEAD people don't eat very well, but that might just be the deteriorating jaw.

[RobinStarwing]

At least we are no longer going on about the Zombie Apocalypse...

...and in that vein I leave those of you on that joke with this.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540564_369368063129272_268330443233035_996162_1093 692857_n.jpg

[Magus]

Worldwide food shortages. Meat is expensive. Its win win.
Like you get diseases and shit form eating human meat but surely we could fix that if we wanted to.
Why aren't we eating like dead people.

The prions in the meat (although maybe it is only brain meat? But that's what zombies love, sooo...) fuck with your brain and make you go insane.

Which honestly would make you act even more like a zombie, and make you eat more brains. Endless zombie cycle.

Also there is no cure to that shit except to be shot to death, let me tell you.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Only thing that would put the cherry on top with this story is if the dude was a long-term abuser of that drug krokodil.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The prions in the meat (although maybe it is only brain meat? But that's what zombies love, sooo...) fuck with your brain and make you go insane.

Which honestly would make you act even more like a zombie, and make you eat more brains. Endless zombie cycle.

Also there is no cure to that shit except to be shot to death, let me tell you.

But like we could fix that. There must be a proper method of human meat preparation which we haven't discovered because nobody is eating them.

[Osterbaum]

Lets not "fix that". Sound good?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Why not? The reasons why are fairly obvious. I'm not sure why it would be a bad thing aside from like "tradition".

[Sifright]

It simples we just aren't ready to become fremen yet.

[Osterbaum]

I dont want to eat other people. Im a total pussy like that.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm not going to force you to eat them, like I also don't force-feed vegetarians meat.
I'm saying we shouuld have the option for cheap cheap human meat.

[RobinStarwing]

I'm not going to force you to eat them, like I also don't force-feed vegetarians meat.
I'm saying we shouuld have the option for cheap cheap human meat.

Have we become a planetary Donner Party now?

[Japan]

I can't believe some of you are giving the police officer involved shit for shooting this guy.

I mean yeah there are some dirty police out there, but fuck the dude was eating another dude. I'm not wrestling with some crazy fucker going for the jugular, he's getting shot. That bullshit comment about thinking everyone is a ninja is completely ridiculous. People can kill other people in any number of ways, some of them even accidental. When you've got a full grown man attacking another human being with his teeth, that shit is deadly force.

I mean for fuck's sake the article even mentions the procedure the officer went through. He told the man to stop, he shot him once and the dude kept on going so what's he supposed to do? Try to talk the dude down before he gnaws through the guys cranium?

Your average adult male human being is completely capable of killing another human being with his bare hands given the time and inclination. I'd assume if one were using their jaws as well it would only speed the process.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Tase him, pepper spray him, tackle him.
Not going to say that he shouldn't have defended an innocent person, but there were a lot of other options he could have taken.

Not really sure that pointing out he had those options is giving the guy shit. He probably did what he thought he had to, but it's a shame he didn't do more to save both lives.

[Sifright]

If the guy had access to a taser he should have used that. it's much much more effective at incapacitating people than shooting them.

2nd The guy was most likely off his head on PCP trying to take him down non-leathaly with out a taser would have been impossible and waiting for back up would allow the guy to finish eating his victim...

Edit: Pepper spray is completely useless on people strung out on PCP.

also fuck tackling some one that is literally EATING some other dude

[Japan]

Now who's assuming people are ninjas?

Protip: Cops don't have super powers.

When you're presented with a situation where another human being can be killed within seconds (ie: a crazy person is chewing on their face) you use deadly force. You don't take a few seconds to go down the checklist of shit you could be doing. There's a reason military personnel and police officers receive training in this stuff, while you're busy tasing the guy or trying to wrestle with him he finally gets through an artery or turns his attention to you.

But I mean hell if you guys could do it better why don't you put on a badge? I'm sure you can just judo chop the bad guys like Austin Powers.

Basically I am aggravated by the blanket police hate this thread is showcasing. Some cops are the scum of the earth, but the majority are just guys doing a job that needs to be done. I can't stand it when people deride an officer for doing his very dangerous job.

[Krylo]

Taser might have been better, yeah, but it's either that or bullets, and honestly when there's a naked dude literally eating another guy's face, and has done enough damage that the guy whose face he's eating is 'fighting for his life' in the hospital after the situation, I'm honestly not going to give the cop too much shit for just shooting him.

Like maybe there was an other thing he coulda done, maybe maybe there wasn't, but that's not exactly a situation that lends itself to acting calmly. That's more a situation that lends itself to "Holy shit oh fuck what the hell."

[Sifright]

Taser might have been better, yeah, but it's either that or bullets, and honestly when there's a naked dude literally eating another guy's face, and has done enough damage that the guy whose face he's eating is 'fighting for his life' in the hospital after the situation, I'm honestly not going to give the cop too much shit for just shooting him.

Like maybe there was an other thing he coulda done, maybe maybe there wasn't, but that's not exactly a situation that lends itself to acting calmly. That's more a situation that lends itself to "Holy shit oh fuck what the hell."

I'm with Krylo, although I have to point out NO one and I really really do mean NO one can resist the effects of a taser blast if you actually get it off properly and there no reason in hell you couldn't if the dude is naked.

electricity pouring through your body like compeltely takes away all control you have over it.


Edit: i'm sure if i was in that situation I would have freaked the fuck out and shot both of the dudes in my fumbling paniced state. So like i can't blame the dude for shooting the cannibal zombie

[Japan]

Ok but that fun bit of philosophy aside lets get down to the serious shit where we find out if this was indeed the first phase of the zombie apocalypse because fuck man I need to go knock over a wal-mart quick like if that's the case.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Tase him, pepper spray him, tackle him.

Right, that's delusional thinking right there dood. He's eating another man's head so tackling is not an option. Could very well make for two people gettin munched on. That's just ridiculous talk right there. Following that with if the stopping power of a BULLET didn't stop the guy from eating face do you really REALLYthink pepper spray or a rinkadink tazer would stop the guy either? Hell, it took upwards of six shots to get the dude down if I've read the article correctly.

Tasers and spray? Those are generally designed to subdue people, y'know, not face eating bitey bitey batshit crazy nutso who don't go down from a bullet (OR FEW). Not really sure if the dude was on pcp or not, but people do some insane things on that.

Then there's other factors to take into consideration. Sure, you can waste time trying to be PC and subdue the guy while the victim bleeds out but there's too many variables. What about getting the spray on the victim's exposed wound trying to take down Mr. Munchies? Or the guy gettin the pepper stuff on the victim while gnawin away? That stuff isn't like spray glue. It can and will spread. If it is a powder it spreads. If it is a liquidy foam then it can be wiped/spread around or right off.

Then the risk of communicable nasties through blood/saliva.

So yeah. I'm siding throwing in with Japan. the officer made the logical choice on this one. Too many bullshit variables to factor when trying to be oh no, excessive force bler bler bler PC police. It came down to weighing an unfortunate victim against a psychotic face muncher.

[stefan]

incapacitating shot to the leg

are you fucking serious.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Right, that's delusional thinking right there dood. He's eating another man's head so tackling is not an option. Could very well make for two people gettin munched on. That's just ridiculous talk right there. Following that with if the stopping power of a BULLET didn't stop the guy from eating face do you really REALLYthink pepper spray or a rinkadink tazer

Whatever else you want to say about tackling and pepper spray this is idiotic.

First of all, hand guns don't have that much stopping power. Like, at all. You bleed to death from a handgun shot or it immediately kills you from a shot to a critical area. You don't get hit somewhere relatively non-lethal and get flung backward like a ragdoll.

Second "Rinkadink tazer"? Really?
Lets say Sif is right and the guy was on PCP. He can stay standing when he gets hit by the stopping power of a bullet, he can stand up to a tackle or grin and bear some pepper spray. But unless his basic neurological systems just don't fucking work like a normal human being a taser is still going to stop him.
That shit doesn't just hurt you into submission, it shuts your body down. For a far and away majority of people you'll lose all control of your functions and fall onto the ground as if someone had flicked the on off switch to off. Unless you're standing, fully prepared to take the shock and have tensed all your muscles for it you cannot stand. Most people can't even do that much even if they're prepared! Let alone punch, kick or nibble.

To say the cop made the right choice is fine, to say that he was panicked and didn't even have time to consider his alternatives is also fine. To say he had no options at all other than to shoot, especially because you don't know how a taser works is less alright. And to imply that anyone who really would have liked to see the Police officer try the non-lethal alternatives is deluded or just blanket hating the police is absurd.


are you fucking serious.

incapacitating shot to the leg and finally killing shot if the guy still doesn't stop. That's of course for an ideal situation, where time for example isn't too pressing an issue at the moment.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Also
Witnesses said they heard at least a half dozen shots.

The cop ended up shooting our bite happy friend half a dozen times. Something tells me he didn't unload them all into him one after the other, either. So even if the end all be all of problem solving is expedience for the sake of the victims life then you should at least be able to consider that not only was the handgun a far more lethal option, it was also ridiculously inefficient.

[IHateMakingNames]

I assume the cop didn't have a taser on him.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I don't know one way or the other. Miami officers are supposed to have tasers, but the only thing I can dig up about it is that as of this month last year a third of them didn't because a large number of the tasers they ordered went missing.
Just to be clear like I said earlier my problem isn't with thinking the officer made the right call. Just with implying that there's no justifiable reason to believe he could have done more to save both lives. And, to be honest if he didn't have a taser why the fuck didn't he have a taser?

[stefan]

no, you don't get it. There is literally no such thing as "shooting to wound" except in action movies. you can kill someone pretty quick by shooting them more or less anywhere on the body. For instance, leg? You're liable to sever the femoral artery either with the bullet itself or bone shards, which will kill someone in a matter of minutes. Arm? same deal, huge fucking arteries. Shoulder? most delicate bone structure in the body, assuming the clusterfuck of shattered bone chunks, nerve endings, and blood vessels doesn't send the victim into shock and kill them, they will likely never use that arm again.

Also, Tasers are not magical Off Buttons that solve everything forever. You need to get dangerously close, the shock gets transmitted to everyone the assailant is touching (including the victim in critical condition, possibly killing them, or, potentially, you), there is a nonzero chance that it can be taken off you and used against you, and it may kill the assailant anyway, which is why tasers etc. are classified as less-lethal weapons, not non lethal.

[Marelo]

I don't mean to downplay that guns kill people and all, and I can't really vouch for the accuracy of this article or the claims made by people in it, but:

If a gunshot victim’s heart is still beating upon arrival at a hospital, there is a 95 percent chance of survival, Dr. DiMaio said. (People shot in vital organs usually do not make it that far, he added.)

Shots to roughly 80 percent of targets on the body would not be fatal blows, Dr. Fackler said. Still, he added, it is like roulette.

Anybody who survives being shot, he said, “is lucky to be alive.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/nyregion/03shot.html?_r=1)

So, you know, they aren't necessarily instant deathslings. "Shooting to wound" is still pretty silly of course, given that it's basically a game of chance.

[McTahr]

Electricity likes the ground. Guess what's between the assailant and the ground?

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Second "Rinkadink tazer"? Really?
I wanted to say rinkadink, sue me.

Lets say Sif is right and the guy was on PCP. He can stay standing when he gets hit by the stopping power of a bullet, he can stand up to a tackle or grin and bear some pepper spray. But unless his basic neurological systems just don't fucking work like a normal human being a taser is still going to stop him.
That shit doesn't just hurt you into submission, -it shuts your body down-.
If we're gonna get picky about word choice, that implies death. :smug:

For a far and away majority of people
Far and away, people generally, y'know, don't gnaw face on other people.

you'll lose all control of your functions and fall onto the ground as if someone had flicked the on off switch to off.

Some more fun with words. In short, let's skip picking over verbal straws, mmkay? It's asinine and downright irritating, I'm only doing this to make a point here. BUT LET'S CARRY ON, SHALL WE?

Unless you're standing, fully prepared to take the shock and have tensed all your muscles for it you cannot stand. Most people can't even do that much even if they're prepared! Let alone punch, kick or nibble.

To say the cop made the right choice is fine, to say that he was panicked and didn't even have time to consider his alternatives is also fine. To say he had no options at all other than to shoot, especially because you don't know how a taser works is less alright. And to imply that anyone who really would have liked to see the Police officer try the non-lethal alternatives is deluded or just blanket hating the police is absurd.
[/b]

Never anywhere did I state he has NO other choice. I simply said he made, what I find to be, the most logical choice given the scenario that took place. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternative methods of takin' someone down. But when it comes down to some nutjob violently chewing on someone else I'll pick gun.

[Osterbaum]

no, you don't get it. There is literally no such thing as "shooting to wound" except in action movies. you can kill someone pretty quick by shooting them more or less anywhere on the body. For instance, leg? You're liable to sever the femoral artery either with the bullet itself or bone shards, which will kill someone in a matter of minutes. Arm? same deal, huge fucking arteries. Shoulder? most delicate bone structure in the body, assuming the clusterfuck of shattered bone chunks, nerve endings, and blood vessels doesn't send the victim into shock and kill them, they will likely never use that arm again.
Well they told us to shoot to wound first if possible in MP-training. But sure, a shot to the leg or arm is likely to cause massive bleeding, which is lethal unless treated immediately. But if the situation is resolved by this incapacitating shot, then there is still time to treat the person. It's the difference of making absolutely sure you kill the person as fast as possible and giving them a chance to stay alive.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

A tazer is a poor choice of weapon in a zombie fight.

[Sifright]

A tazer is a poor choice of weapon in a zombie fight.

depends if it's the melee variant or the one that shoots electrodes!

Also Skwee, No one can resist being tasered it's not possible.

[Amake]

Do I really need to point out that you have to shoot someone once before you can say that shooting them once was not sufficient to to disable them? When you see someone take a bullet without slowing down after you have shot them, this is not a justification for your decision to shoot them. You did not base your decision on information from the future.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Also, Tasers are not magical Off Buttons that solve everything forever. You need to get dangerously close

What, fifteen feet? I think the police actually get variants that go even farther than that too, but pretty much all dart delivery systems clear ten feet easily.
the shock gets transmitted to everyone the assailant is touching (including the victim in critical condition, possibly killing them, or, potentially, you), there is a nonzero chance that it can be taken off you and used against you, and it may kill the assailant anyway, which is why tasers etc. are classified as less-lethal weapons, not non lethal.

Aside from the "It might shock you as well" thing these are true, the shock will go the victim, and the taser might be taken from you.
It's also true that when you choose to use a gun you might shoot the person you're trying to save, and that gun can be taken off you. We are aware in hind sight that the officer would not have missed his shot and the assailant was capable of resisting at least one shot without being severely miffed by it. But the officer didn't know these things. He made a judgement call about whether he would hit or not, and whether or not anything else would work.

I wanted to say rinkadink, sue me.
I didn't want to say rinkadink was a stupid word. I wanted to say that the implication that the taser is an inefficient method of incapacitation is asinine.
Although going by what I thought the definition of rinkadink was I thought you were saying that tasers are cheap pieces of junk. I'm not really sure anymore to be honest.

If we're gonna get picky about word choice, that implies death. :smug:
Not really.

Far and away, people generally, y'know, don't gnaw face on other people.
Far and away people who gnaw on other people's faces haven't figured out how to alter their physiology to the extent that they can reset their nerves getting shocked up.


Some more fun with words. In short, let's skip picking over verbal straws, mmkay? It's asinine and downright irritating, I'm only doing this to make a point here. BUT LET'S CARRY ON, SHALL WE?

Hahaha. What are you trying to say here? What's the point of this?
You really seem to be skirting around the issue that you're trying to imply to people that the taser wouldn't have worked well. I don't see how my describing what happens when someone uses a taser on you is a ...verbal straw?
I don't actually know what that means and I can't figure it out so I'm just going to assume you've implied I'm a Polynesian poodle sniffing buttmunch.



Never anywhere did I state he has NO other choice. I simply said he made, what I find to be, the most logical choice given the scenario that took place. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternative methods of takin' someone down. But when it comes down to some nutjob violently chewing on someone else I'll pick gun.

Recall that you also decided to let me know that the alternatives I presented were "Delusional thinking". Which is sort of odd wording if you were open to the other possibilities.

But hey you could also notice that you never said that people in the thread were blanket hating. Which might lead you to conclude that I was addressing Japan as well.

[Japan]

I was going to make a bunch of sarcastic remarks showcasing the obvious ignorance to reality being espoused in this thread but then I was like nah.

Lets all go on believing whatever it is that we believe. I love that smug internal justification feeling.

[Terex4]

Aside from the "It might shock you as well" thing these are true, the shock will go the victim, and the taser might be taken from you.
It's also true that when you choose to use a gun you might shoot the person you're trying to save, and that gun can be taken off you. We are aware in hind sight that the officer would not have missed his shot and the assailant was capable of resisting at least one shot without being severely miffed by it. But the officer didn't know these things. He made a judgement call about whether he would hit or not, and whether or not anything else would work.
This is pretty much the only reason I question the officer's choice to shoot. Thankfully, he didn't hit the victim so it was, seemingly, the right choice but it also may have been nothing more than luck. Shooting at someone with their victim in melee range just doesn't seem like the right choice to my non-combat trained mind.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I was going to make a bunch of sarcastic remarks showcasing the obvious ignorance to reality being espoused in this thread but then I was like nah.

Yes! There are!
First and foremost among the obvious ignorance of reality would probably be the idea that touching someone who is being shocked by a taser will get you shocked as well.

Like, reading about it I can't see a lick of evidence that that's how it works so I'm not really sure what to think about it.

[Doc ock rokc]

Yes! There are!
First and foremost among the obvious ignorance of reality would probably be the idea that touching someone who is being shocked by a taser will get you shocked as well.

Like, reading about it I can't see a lick of evidence that that's how it works so I'm not really sure what to think about it.

While the shock wouldn't be on the same level as getting tazed yourself. Yes it can hurt anyone who touches you. However you would have to be in the path of least resistance in order for that to happen.

So say if someone was literally on top of you not touching the ground and you were covered in a simi-conductible liquid say blood Some stray bits of electricity might shock you. It would be bad if the area that does get tazed happens to have your neurological controls like the head.

Then again if we take into account of aim and distance and how the two targets are placed it would also be very likely that the second probe would hit the victim giving him a full blast on the taze

[Lumenskir]

http://s17.postimage.org/n77bijrwt/CSI_Cannibal.jpg

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

While the shock wouldn't be on the same level as getting tazed yourself. Yes it can hurt anyone who touches you. However you would have to be in the path of least resistance in order for that to happen.

So say if someone was literally on top of you not touching the ground and you were covered in a simi-conductible liquid say blood Some stray bits of electricity might shock you. It would be bad if the area that does get tazed happens to have your neurological controls like the head.

...Path of least resistance to what?
In the reading I've done a dart taser is designed to generate an electric shock between the two darts it launches. It doesn't go to the ground, it runs through the nervous system from one dart to the other.
Like, someone correct me if I'm wrong but how you're describing this just doesn't seem to be how the thing works. It doesn't run into the things in contact with its target, which is why it's perfectly safe to have two people standing right next to the target to safely lower them to the ground during tests.


Then again if we take into account of aim and distance and how the two targets are placed it would also be very likely that the second probe would hit the victim giving him a full blast on the taze

I haven't seen anything that indicates they flail about wildly. If we're talking this particular instance then the officer had the time to aim properly for his handgun, there's no reason he couldn't also hit with a taser. Again, in each test I've seen of a taser there's always people standing to each side of the target, but they're never hit. These things are designed to be used up to 15 feet for a civilian model and even more for a police version. They have to be accurate, because too much or little variance in where the darts hit can screw it up.

[Sifright]

...Path of least resistance to what?
In the reading I've done a dart taser is designed to generate an electric shock between the two darts it launches. It doesn't go to the ground, it runs through the nervous system from one dart to the other.
Like, someone correct me if I'm wrong but how you're describing this just doesn't seem to be how the thing works. It doesn't run into the things in contact with its target, which is why it's perfectly safe to have two people standing right next to the target to safely lower them to the ground during tests.




I haven't seen anything that indicates they flail about wildly. If we're talking this particular instance then the officer had the time to aim properly for his handgun, there's no reason he couldn't also hit with a taser. Again, in each test I've seen of a taser there's always people standing to each side of the target, but they're never hit. These things are designed to be used up to 15 feet for a civilian model and even more for a police version. They have to be accurate, because too much or little variance in where the darts hit can screw it up.

Something to keep in mind, we are arguing from a best practice point of view, in this situation I dont think the cop is at fault for anything. I just feel the taser would have incapacitated the target faster with less danger to the officer in question.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I don't think the officer is at fault either. He performed to the best of his ability. As far as we know the story there's nothing wrong with his actions except that half a dozen shots was probably overkill. But panic, a tense situation and an unreasonably zombie filled culture are all factors that make his decision easily understandable.

[Magus]

Bath Salts zombies? (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/29/reports-miami-zombie-attacker-may-have-been-using-bath-salts/)


Reports: Miami 'zombie' attacker may have been using 'bath salts'

A naked man who chewed off the face of another man in what is being called a zombie-like attack may have been under the influence of "bath salts," a drug referred to as the new LSD, according to reports from CNN affiliates in Miami.

The horrific attack occurred Saturday and was only stopped after a police officer shot the attacker several times, killing him.

Larry Vega witnessed the attack on Miami's MacArthur Causeway. He told CNN affiliate WSVN he saw one naked man chewing off the face of another naked man.

Rudy Eugene

"The guy was like tearing him to pieces with his mouth, so I told him, 'Get off!'" Vega told WSVN. "You know it's like the guy just kept eating the other guy away, like ripping his skin."

"It was just a blob of blood," WSVN quoted Vega as saying. "You couldn't really see, it was just blood all over the place."

Vega said he flagged down a passing police officer.

"When the officer approached him, told him to stop, pointed a gun at him, he turned around and growled like a wild animal and kept eating at the man's face," Fraternal Order of Police President Armando Aguilar told CNN affiliate WPLG.

Augilar said he suspects the attacker, identified as 31-year-old Rudy Eugene, was under the influence of "bath salts." Four other drug use instances in Miami-Dade bear resemblances to Saturday's attack, he told WPLG.

"It causes them to go completely insane and become very violent" and take off their clothes, Augilar told WPLG.

Dr. Paul Adams, an emergency room physician at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami, told CNN affiliate WBFS that the drug makes users delirious. They exhibit elevated temperatures and extreme physical strength, Adams said.

“I took care of a 150 pound individual who you would have thought he was 250 pounds,” WBFS quoted Adams as saying. “It took six security officers to restrain the individual.”

Adams said users have been known to use their jaws as weapons, according to WBFS.

According to a 2011 report from the National Institute of Drug Abuse, bath salts contain amphetamine-like chemicals.

"Doctors and clinicians at U.S. poison centers have indicated that ingesting or snorting 'bath salts' containing synthetic stimulants can cause chest pains, increased blood pressure, increased heart rate, agitation, hallucinations, extreme paranoia, and delusions," according to the NIDA report.

In October, the Drug Enforcement Administration made possession of the stimulants in bath salts, Mephedrone, 3,4 methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) and Methylone, illegal under an emergency order. The order lasts for a year with a possible six-month extension.

The stimulants have been placed under restrictions or banned in 37 states, according to a DEA press release.

The victim of Saturday's attack, whom police have not identified, was in critical condition at Jackson Memorial on Monday, according to the WPLG report. Augilar told WPLG that 75% to 80% of his face was missing.

Eugene had an arrest record, mostly misdemeanors, including a battery charge from when he was 16 that was later dropped, according to the Miami Herald.

He had been married but divorced in 2007, WPLG reported. His former wife told the station that Eugene had been violent toward her.

Homeless people near where the attack took place said Eugene was often seen around the area looking confused, according to WPLG.

Okay this is officially the most fucked up thing ever. I hope the guy is exaggerating the whole "growled like an animal as he continued feasting on the man's face" because like who wouldn't shoot at some crazy shit like that?

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Yeahhhh...I just saw pictures of the victim. I'm fuckin sick to my stomach and it takes a lot to get me this sick feeling. This wasn't a teehee gnaw gnaw nibble munch.

Everything between his upper lip and hairline is horrendously straight up chewed right down to the bone with mangled tissue here and there. Nose is completely gone, looks like he's missing an eye too. Or could be tissue flopped over the socket. Either way, nobody should have to suffer that.

Gonna say this right now: the cop made the goddamn right choice.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Well, played the part of the fool and looked up the pictures myself.

It's amazing (and sickening) how much damage the human body can do if the attacker is fully free of restraint. I hope the hospital can do something for the victim.

[Aldurin]

Yeah, this is why I never even consider touching drugs. The policeman made the right choice to take the shot.

[Amake]

I'll concede that in a world of increasingly ballistic law enforcement where our chances of getting killed just for being near a police officer, the cop was lucky that in this case he may likely have ended up doing the thing that saved the most possible lives. Heck, he may even have intuited the correct solution through keen ninja senses or prodigious genius for police work instead of making a lucky guess.

But no, we don't know either of those things.

Also, nice spin to make LSD look dangerous there. Yeah, sure, I think there's been like six instances of LSD making someone violent, I'm not sure, but it doesn't make you super strong. PCP does that but I guess scaring people from doing PCP at this point is moot.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Hey may have? may? Right, blunt time here. If the officer made the wrong choice with the victim looking like this I will punch myself in the junk as hard as I can so I'll shut up once and for all. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10003158/victim.jpg)

His face is missing. Bitten. Chewed off. Gone.

This is beyond spin on drugs in an article or conceding points with hemming and hawing. The damage done to the victim is being massively played down. Don't believe me? Click the link. I have others that can be cross referenced for validity.

Hell, for shits and giggles let's look at a wonderfully fucked up new situation that happened yesterday! Even pepper spray was used!

Dude cuts himself open with a twelve inch kitchen knife and throws his intestines at police officers (http://www.northjersey.com/news/Hackensack_man_stabs_self_throws_intenstines_at_po lice.html). They used two cans of pepper spray to virtually nill effect. Sure they detained the guy after, maybe they could've used a tazer if they had them. Did they? I don't know. Again, more details that are unclear. What did happen is this was beyond their training or capacity so a SWAT team was deemed necessary. Lethal force? Nah. But he also wasn't rending the living chunky hell out of another man's face in public in broad daylight right next to traffic.

In this face mutilization situation the gun was the best choice. There are pretty much no if's ands or buts at this point.

[Sifright]

Hey may have? may? Right, blunt time here. If the officer made the wrong choice with the victim looking like this I will punch myself in the junk as hard as I can so I'll shut up once and for all. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10003158/victim.jpg)

His face is missing. Bitten. Chewed off. Gone.

This is beyond spin on drugs in an article or conceding points with hemming and hawing. The damage done to the victim is being massively played down. Don't believe me? Click the link. I have others that can be cross referenced for validity.

Hell, for shits and giggles let's look at a wonderfully fucked up new situation that happened yesterday! Even pepper spray was used!

Dude cuts himself open with a twelve inch kitchen knife and throws his intestines at police officers (http://www.northjersey.com/news/Hackensack_man_stabs_self_throws_intenstines_at_po lice.html). They used two cans of pepper spray to virtually nill effect. Sure they detained the guy after, maybe they could've used a tazer if they had them. Did they? I don't know. Again, more details that are unclear. What did happen is this was beyond their training or capacity so a SWAT team was deemed necessary. Lethal force? Nah. But he also wasn't rending the living chunky hell out of another man's face in public in broad daylight right next to traffic.

In this face mutilization situation the gun was the best choice. There are pretty much no if's ands or buts at this point.

Well... Thats pretty horrible. (understatement of the year)

[Japan]

Yes! There are!
First and foremost among the obvious ignorance of reality would probably be the idea that touching someone who is being shocked by a taser will get you shocked as well.

Like, reading about it I can't see a lick of evidence that that's how it works so I'm not really sure what to think about it.

Electricity doesn't work like you think it does.

In order for an electrical current to flow through a human body it must be presented with a situation wherein the human body presents the path of least resistance to ground. When this ad-hoc circuit is completed the voltage levels are generally extremely high due to the extremely high resistance values of human skin. Note I said skin as the internal resistance of the human body is relatively low. Also, as skin burns due to electrocution the resistance of the entry point for the current decreases. Healthy dry skin presents the highest resistance to current basically.

So, when you have a current strong enough to complete a circuit through a single human body it only stands to reason that if another human body is placed in that same circuit it will begin to conduct electricity as well. Dependent on the current levels involved you don't even need to touch an open circuit to present the path of least resistance, as air will provide an ionized channel eventually given high enough current values.

But I digress, a taser is a device that produces an extremely high voltage jolt meant to travel through human tissue and produce an incapacitating effect, if you happen to be a part of that circuit then you will feel the effects as well. This is one of the most basic principles of electrical safety and is the reason you should see lengths of non conductive rope and non conductive plastic canes in any work area in which energized circuits are to be operated on. If you ever come across someone being electrocuted, don't touch them. Use your belt or something non conductive to remove them from the circuit (assuming that removing power isn't an immediate option.)

[Amake]

Did the officer see exactly how damaged the victim's face was when it was presumably covered with blood and zombie? Did the officer calculate exactly how the seconds he would save by going for his gun compared to any less lethal methods would make a difference to how much further damage/risk/death the victim would suffer?

I'm willing to admit the answer to both these questions may be yes. But could we please acknowledge that there are some things we don't know about this case?

[akaSM]

So...the description we have some pages before this one was accurate. Holy shit :aaa:

I still wonder how did the victim manage to get hurt that badly, I mean, the human body can do a FUCKTON of damage but, still, how do you let someone like that (naked and crazy) ON YOUR FACE, and why couldn't the victim shove him or, at least get away with injuries that aren't so extreme? :raise:

[Japan]

Did the officer see exactly how damaged the victim's face was when it was presumably covered with blood and zombie? Did the officer calculate exactly how the seconds he would save by going for his gun compared to any less lethal methods would make a difference to how much further damage/risk/death the victim would suffer?

I'm willing to admit the answer to both these questions may be yes. But could we please acknowledge that there are some things we don't know about this case?

Must... Not... breach Godwin's Law...

Did Hitler not see that the Jews were human beings? Did he stop to calculate the impact on society that removing millions of jews would have?

I'm willing to admit the answer to both these questions may be yes. But could we please acknowledge that there are some things we don't know about the holocaust?

Ah fuck it.

[Sifright]

So...the description we have some pages before this one was accurate. Holy shit :aaa:

I still wonder how did the victim manage to get hurt that badly, I mean, the human body can do a FUCKTON of damage but, still, how do you let someone like that (naked and crazy) ON YOUR FACE, and why couldn't the victim shove him or, at least get away with injuries that aren't so extreme? :raise:

Because drug fueled psychotic events give the person in the midst of it literally superhuman strength. People don't use all their strength naturally because it really really damages your body. When your fucked on something like PCP you can use so much force you tear your own muscles.

[akaSM]

Because drug fueled psychotic events give the person in the midst of it literally superhuman strength. People don't use all their strength naturally because it really really damages your body. When your fucked on something like PCP you can use so much force you tear your own muscles.

The same goes for people on life or death scenarios. If some naked junkie can overpower a healthy person in a life or death situation...fuck :ohdear:.

FAKEDIT: Wait, watching the CNN video, both men were naked...WTF? Both were drugged?

[Japan]

That bit about electricity is of course assuming that one of the prongs doesn't land in the appropriate place and creates a divergent circuit path. Tasers are designed to shoot current from one prong to another so if both prongs are embedded in the assailants chest then there's very little chance of it going through someone else, I was just trying to illustrate that assuming its impossible for a taser to electrocute multiple people at once is incorrect. One of the prongs could land in the victim or not embed itself properly in the intended target and cause an unpredictable circuit path.

[Amake]

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say, Japan. Because we're looking at a particularly nasty situation it's perfectly fine to make blanket judgments about how certain people deserve to die or don't? Like we acknowledge the Holocaust was generally bad even though some good things happened during and as a result of it. So you submit that the cop is broadly speaking a hero and some pesky details that may or may not tell otherwise are less important than the fact that he showed great courage and skill when faced with a situation the base violence of which would have cowed a lesser man? If so I can only tell you we have different priorities.

[Sifright]

That bit about electricity is of course assuming that one of the prongs doesn't land in the appropriate place and creates a divergent circuit path. Tasers are designed to shoot current from one prong to another so if both prongs are embedded in the assailants chest then there's very little chance of it going through someone else, I was just trying to illustrate that assuming its impossible for a taser to electrocute multiple people at once is incorrect. One of the prongs could land in the victim or not embed itself properly in the intended target and cause an unpredictable circuit path.

See this is what I've been arguing, like you've got the whole missing thing means the taser is ineffective or could hurt other people I totally agree with.

Also it appeared that you were arguing that even in normal operation the taser would effect other targets, which I think is what others were arguing against.

Regarding missing, Guns are inherently worse if you miss because "Whoops I just killed the guy i was trying to save"

Again it bares reiterating, I'm not saying the cop did anything specifically wrong. I'm just saying in best practice using the taser would have been the better option because it would have been a quicker way to incapacitate the target unless he was going to shoot him in the head which police training teaches you not to do, everything i've read about this incident paints the picture of a stationary target sitting on top of his victim whilst mauling him.

[Japan]

Amake: I've decided not to continue discussing this matter with you due to obviously irreconcilable philosophies.

also here is a diagram I just made to describe a taser electrocuting two people.


Crazy guy-> o<-<---Taser prong A(emebedded in assailant)
Victim-> o<-<
---Taser Prong B(Lying on ground beneath victim)

So basically if one of the prongs falls off or never embeds itself properly the shortest path between prong A and B will be through both parties.

[Sifright]

I've decided not to continue discussing this matter with you due to obviously irreconcilable philosophies.

also here is a diagram I just made to describe a taser electrocuting two people.


Crazy guy-> o<-<---Taser prong A(emebedded in assailant)
Victim-> o<-<
---Taser Prong B(Lying on ground beneath victim)

So basically if one of the prongs falls off or never embeds itself properly the shortest path between prong A and B will be through both parties.

The problem with this scenario is that it ignores the fact that the target was essentially stationary and thus missing would be highly unlikely. It also forgets that tasers were originally supposed to be used to REPLACE guns, instead of being used to enforce compliance as a general tool.

[Japan]

Well I'm not terribly interested with their philosophical intent where this conversation is concerned, just trying to make a very basic point about the potential for unintended victims in a melee involving tasers.

Also I'm not terribly familiar with the accuracy of the projectile component of tazers, I assume they're not as accurate as pistols but that's just a guess on my part. Compressed gas shooting out two weird little prongy thingies doesn't sound as accurate as aerodynamically refined gunpowder powered projectiles traveling from a rifled barrel.

Also also the standard issue taser operates through a series of pre-programmed pulses I believe. The initial burst being of a relatively longer period (like 7 seconds I guess) followed by several shorter bursts designed to preclude the possibility of removing the prongs. So all in all the thing is probably going off for over 10 seconds, during which time I assume all manner of random things could occur, including one of the prongs becoming dislodged due to one or both of the enmeshed parties struggling or flailing about, creating a new circuit path etc. etc.

[Sifright]

*Snip*
just trying to make a very basic point about the potential for unintended victims in a melee involving tasers.

-Sif- Understandable.-

Also I'm not terribly familiar with the accuracy of the projectile component of tazers, I assume they're not as accurate as pistols but that's just a guess on my part. Compressed gas shooting out two weird little prongy thingies doesn't sound as accurate as aerodynamically refined gunpowder powered projectiles traveling from a rifled barrel.

-Sif- Not a valid concern when you are within 10-20 Feet of your target and aiming at center of mass- Flitlock and match lock weapons were accurate within that range

Also also the standard issue taser operates through a series of pre-programmed pulses I believe. The initial burst being of a relatively longer period (like 7 seconds I guess) followed by several shorter bursts designed to preclude the possibility of removing the prongs. So all in all the thing is probably going off for over 10 seconds, during which time I assume all manner of random things could occur, including one of the prongs becoming dislodged due to one or both of the enmeshed parties struggling or flailing about, creating a new circuit path etc. etc.

-Sif- This concern is some what valid but in those 10 seconds you can drag the victim to safety or try and secure the target. point is the taser works much better for instantly making a target compliant and giving you more options.-



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[Japan]

I'm only trying to prove to a satisfactory degree that the possibility of accidentally electrocuting the victim by employing a taser exists. I feel I've accomplished that. I've made no assertions as to the probability of such.

Really what I've meant to say in this thread is that crazy zombie motherfuckers chewing on faces need to get shot. Fuck em. Not really getting where they whole "save the zombies" thing is coming from in this thread other than super zealous altruism which is, cool, I guess. Just not my bag.

[Sifright]

I'm only trying to prove to a satisfactory degree that the possibility of accidentally electrocuting the victim by employing a taser exists. I feel I've accomplished that. I've made no assertions as to the probability of such.

-Sif- but you aren't arguing in a vacuum your argument appears to be intended to say "And thus a taser shouldn't be used"



you've proved it's possible not probable. The possiblity exists that the police officer could have accidentally shot the victim by your own logic that justifies not using a gun.

[Japan]

you've proved it's possible not probable. The possiblity exists that the police officer could have accidentally shot the victim by your own logic that justifies not using a gun.

Well to be honest after having your face chewed off you might consider getting shot a blessing. I feel the main objective here should be shooting the face eating zombie motherfucker anyways.

Also I never stated that he shouldn't have used a taser so much as he should have shot the face eating zombie motherfucker.

[Sifright]

Well to be honest after having your face chewed off you might consider getting shot a blessing. I feel the main objective here should be shooting the face eating zombie motherfucker anyways.

Also I never stated that he shouldn't have used a taser so much as he should have shot the face eating zombie motherfucker.

So basically your saying thats the best option for the purpose of slating your lust for vengeance.

I'm stating that the taser is the best option to ensure the victim doesn't continue to get his face eaten.

[Japan]

So basically your saying thats the best option for the purpose of slating your lust for vengeance.

I'm stating that the taser is the best option to ensure the victim doesn't continue to get his face eaten.

Unfortunately that's likely incorrect, since the best option would have probably been shooting the assailant in the face so as to mechanically remove the threat of his jaw immediately.

Also fun fact: Do you know what happens to the jaw when you run 50,000 volts through a person? It clenches up!

[Sifright]

Unfortunately that's likely incorrect, since the best option would have probably been shooting the assailant in the face so as to mechanically remove the threat of his jaw immediately.

Also fun fact: Do you know what happens to the jaw when you run 50,000 volts through a person? It clenches up!

Fun fact: that only happens with DC. Taser use an AC output to ensure the target can't do anything at all.

[Amake]

Of course! We can just decide the guy is a face eating zombie motherfucker, and since he's not a real person then it's fine to shoot him. Even though we have to invent justifications afterwards like it was probably the only way to save the victim, the important thing is that subhuman drug monsters get executed with all due haste and enthusiasm. Yes I can see how this philosophical discussion might not be appealing.

[Sifright]

Of course! We can just decide the guy is a face eating zombie motherfucker, and since he's not a real person then it's fine to shoot him. Even though we have to invent justifications afterwards like it was probably the only way to save the victim, the important thing is that subhuman drug monsters get executed with all due haste and enthusiasm. Yes I can see how this philosophical discussion might not be appealing.

Yea I thought we were arguing over the best way to subdue the assailant quickly with out harm to the victim obviously lethal force is an option to that end. but if your arguing from a perspective of the fucker deserved to be gunned down then im going to call you an idiot.

Purely from a perspective of allowing police to be judge jury and executioner.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

That bit about electricity is of course assuming that one of the prongs doesn't land in the appropriate place and creates a divergent circuit path. Tasers are designed to shoot current from one prong to another so if both prongs are embedded in the assailants chest then there's very little chance of it going through someone else, I was just trying to illustrate that assuming its impossible for a taser to electrocute multiple people at once is incorrect. One of the prongs could land in the victim or not embed itself properly in the intended target and cause an unpredictable circuit path.

See, again, this is the thing: Where does the idea that the taser would miss anymore than a firearm would miss come in? The prongs do not fling wildly in opposite directions, spin around and then land on the target because of psychic powered supercops. They fly directly at the target LIKE A BULLET.
They can be deployed effectively from ranges of over thirty feet.
This entire concept is unreasonable!

Also I'm not terribly familiar with the accuracy of the projectile component of tazers, I assume they're not as accurate as pistols but that's just a guess on my part. Compressed gas shooting out two weird little prongy thingies doesn't sound as accurate as aerodynamically refined gunpowder powered projectiles traveling from a rifled barrel.

So you told me I was wrong about electricity but then realized I was right in the case of tasers but only if the taser works like it's meant to, and the reason you think it's worth mentioning it might not have is because you aren't familiar with the accuracy of tasers.


Well to be honest after having your face chewed off you might consider getting shot a blessing. I feel the main objective here should be shooting the face eating zombie motherfucker anyways.

Also I never stated that he shouldn't have used a taser so much as he should have shot the face eating zombie motherfucker.

If I woke up in a hospital with half my face missing I'd feel blessed (By what I dunno) That I survived. But I damn sure wouldn't be happy that to save my life they had to kill a drugged up man who was probably scared and confused and had no idea what the fuck was happening around him, and probably had no idea what kind of consequences taking the drugs he did would have.

He wasn't a goddamn zombie, alright? He was on drugs, and he might have even been a drug addict. But he was still a fucking human being.

[Terex4]

One thing I don't think has been considered here is the fact that this guy was basically running superhuman strength and that there was one cop. I don't know that he could have properly subdued the zombie guy.

I'm actually curious how much damage the zombie guy would have done to himself had he been cuffed...

[Osterbaum]

Im not sure this police officer, or most police officers for that matter, have access to the best and most expensive tasers, so the whole argument about that seems a bit silly? Unless you guys have just moved on to arguing what you know about tasers in general.

[Loyal]

I'd like to believe the thread has run its course when literally the only thing we can argue about is semantics and tenuous what-ifs.

[RobinStarwing]

I'd like to believe the thread has run its course when literally the only thing we can argue about is semantics and tenuous what-ifs.

Maybe the guy thought he was a Camel Spider and the other guy's face looked tasty?

There, now it has run its course!

Edit: I seriously was not going to let this die without a mention Camel Spiders at least once.

[POS Industries]

And Robin once again proves that my major failing as a moderator and as a human being in general is not acting quickly enough.

But seriously, Robin, either quit making posts like that in this subforum or quit posting in this subforum entirely. Yes, this is a warning and it is very official.

Thread closed because of what Loyal said.