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Lumenskir
06-06-2012, 09:09 AM
So it's been quite the morning for semi-solid rumors and forebodings concerning comic book movies.

First up (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/matthew-vaughns-x-men-are-heading-to-days-of-future-past), it appears that the new X-Men movie is going to be ripping off that one Heroes storyline where they see a powers-unfriendly future and have to change the past to prevent it. I'm sure the addition of time travel will surely satisfy all of the fans who were upset that X-Men: First Class didn't fit into the carefully constructed continuity established by That One X-Men Movie Where The Juggernaut Actually Said "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" X-Men 3 and That One X-Men Movie Where They Let Will.I.Am Have A Prominent Role X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
Matthew Vaughn is hard at work prepping his next film in Fox's successfully reinvigorated "X-Men" franchise, and thanks to someone sending in a tip to Ain't It Cool News, we now have some idea of where they're headed.

I called the MPAA's Title Registration Bureau today to double-check the tip, and it is indeed true. Fox recently locked down "X-Men: Days Of Future Past" as a title, and for anyone who is a longtime fan of the comics, that is very, very interesting news.

It seems strange to look back at some of what are considered the biggest and most significant storylines in comics weren't originally published as mega-events like we see from Marvel and DC today. When they publish something like "Civil War" or "House Of M" or "Flashpoint" or the various "Crisis" events, they make those huge deals, with multiple authors, with dozens of comics involved, with tons of hype, and those events drive the entire publishing year for the companies.

In 1981, Marvel published the "Days Of Future Past" storyline as part of the regular run of "The Uncanny X-Men," and while it may have blown the minds of regular readers, it was hardly a major media event outside the comic world. In the 31 years since, though, it has become one of the best-loved stories published during the entire run of the title, and for good reason. Chris Claremont and John Byrne were on fire at that point, doing some of the best work that anyone's ever done with the X-Men, and when X-Men fans talk about the overall series, many of the things they consider essential or defining about the characters come from Claremont and Byrne's time in charge.

When Matthew Vaughn came onboard the series with "X-Men: First Class," he was working under enormous pressure to get a film together, and he ended up delivering something surprisingly rich and robust in what had to be a difficult work situation. Now, with that hit under his belt and the studio more confident about what he'll do, Vaughn's in a good position to try to tackle the storyline which was one of the stories considered for both "X-Men 2" and "X-Men 3" at various points in the development process.

There have been many questions about how they plan to connect these new "X-Men" films to the movies that Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner made, and while there are any number of story points that don't match up if you pay close attention, it still seems like Fox has an opportunity to try to connect both versions in some fun and clever ways, and if they plan to do it, "Days Of Future Past" seems like the perfect place to start.

After all, this is a story that deals with alternate timelines and an attempt to stop one possible future from taking place. When the future version of Kitty Pryde reaches out to the present version and shows the X-Men a world where Sentinels monitor the streets and all mutants live in work camps, the X-Men realize they have to stop the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants from assassinating Senator Kelly, whose death will kick of a new era of mutant hatred.

The "X-Men" animated series in the '90s adapted one version of the story, and they did another version of it in "Wolverine and the X-Men," so they've certainly mined this material before. The difference here would be seeing a live-action large scale version of it, and I'm curious to see if the future that Vaughn creates features some familiar faces.

After all, I'd pay $15 to see Michael Fassbender and Ian McKellen side by side in matching Magneto helmets, and I'm guessing I'm not alone.

The "X-Men: First Class" sequel will arrive in theaters July 2014.

Next (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055082), they've hired a screenwriter for the Justice League movie. With Batman ending and Super Dark Gritty Fast-Then-SloMo Superman coming, I'm guessing they're going to try for a reverse-Avengers where they have the big team up movie showcasing the broad strokes of everyone, and then have single-hero movies to deepen the universe. Hopefully they stick with the original plan of having the John Stewart Green Lantern, but that they also do a better overall casting job than last time (Adam Brody as the Flash??).

Speaking of black superheroes, Black Panther is rumored to be the next Marvel stand alone after Captain America 2 (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/black-panther-now-rumored-as-next-marvel-stand-alone-movie). I don't really know much about the character, other than the fact that I'm now going to spend a bunch of time hoping that Michael B. "Chronicle" Jordan or John "Attack the Block" Boyega gets snapped up for the role quickly.
One of the most anticipated announcements of the year will most likely take place at this year's San Diego Comic-Con when Marvel is expected to confirm which of their properties will be the source for their next original superhero title. Obviously "Iron Man 3" just began production (you can see the first still from the film here), and they're casting bad guys for "Thor 2," and chances are they're going to get really serious about "The Avengers 2" sometime soon.

But what of the rest of the Marvel Universe? Edgar Wright has been working towards making "Ant-Man" based on a script he's co-writing with Joe Cornish, but with the word that he's going to be shooting the final film in his Cornetto trilogy this fall, it seems less likely that "Ant-Man" is coming next. Marvel poobah Kevin Feige has spoken many times about how much he wants to figure out "Doctor Strange" for the big-screen, but there hasn't been any word on when or if that will happen.

Today, El Mayimbe at Latino Review is reporting that he knows which movie is scheduled next, and if he's right, we're about to meet a new Avenger.

Mark Bailey was brought onboard to write a script for the film last year, and that's the last we heard about it. Mayimbe says that his sources now believe this film is set as the next greenlight that Marvel will give, making it one of the 2014 releases.

They've certainly laid some groundwork in the Marvel films so far, including Wakanda on a video screen map in "Iron Man 2" and using vibranium, an element that comes exclusively from Wakanda, in Captain America's shield. By laying in Easter Eggs like that in the various movies, Marvel keeps their options open, and it means that when they get a script they like and casting comes together, they can move forward, knowing that they've already got enough groundwork laid that it doesn't feel like they're just wedging something brand new into the world they've been building so carefully.

The Black Panther is a major part of the most recent animated iteration of "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes," which is a sharply-told, well-made series that works to unite both younger audiences and a more adult fanbase. Marvel's been smart about using the animated world to introduce characters to kids so that if they do make a movie about a character, they're not having to start at zero. He was also a big part of the Lionsgate Marvel movies, including "Ultimate Avengers 2."

There have been many attempts to bring the character to the bigscreen over the last few years, with directors like Reginald Hudlin taking their shot and with stars like Wesley Snipes eager to put on the suit. If this is indeed the next priority for Marvel Studios, they're going to have to find a lead actor who can become that character for the next decade, so expect them to cast a wide net.

We'll be paying close attention to this, and if there is news about a director or a cast starting to come together, we'll have that here for you as well. In the meantime, we'll be watching Marvel closely, as will everyone, to see if they can build off of the worldwide goodwill towards "The Avengers" as they kick off phase two of their overall Marvel Movie Universe plan.

Professor Smarmiarty
06-06-2012, 09:49 AM
Man the justice league villain better be Darkseid and he better spend the whole movie doing maths. Get Aronofsky to direct.

The Sevenshot Kid
06-06-2012, 11:27 AM
Man the justice league villain better be Darkseid and he better spend the whole movie doing maths. Get Aronofsky to direct.

That actually sounds awesome.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche
06-06-2012, 11:32 AM
Just standing still while using his laser eyes to etch equations and formulas into a massive wall that his legion of slaves are still constructing just ahead of him.

CABAL49
06-06-2012, 03:15 PM
Darkseid is too good a villain to start off with. They should start with Vandal Savage and spend the movie criticizing his social Darwinism.

Professor Smarmiarty
06-06-2012, 03:57 PM
But that would be lies. Social darwinism is ace!

Bells
06-06-2012, 04:17 PM
On another news... having marvel proved that you can make successful movies with Super Powered Shenanigans without the need of having everything have "Gritty realism" , and the Nonalverse of Batman being closed off, i hope they finally tackle Batman as BATMAN...

Also would be fine if it was a movie telling the origin of the Justice League but not the origin of the heroes in it... just to avoid the bigger slice of Mediocrity

Sifright
06-06-2012, 04:19 PM
On another news... having marvel proved that you can make successful movies with Super Powered Shenanigans without the need of having everything have "Gritty realism" , and the Nonalverse of Batman being closed off, i hope they finally tackle Batman as BATMAN...

Also would be fine if it was a movie telling the origin of the Justice League but not the origin of the heroes in it... just to avoid the bigger slice of Mediocrity

Man first movie batman with Jack as the joker was the best movie batman.

The Sevenshot Kid
06-06-2012, 06:44 PM
Warner Bros. should just find a way to adapt the latest Justice League comic by Geoff Johns. It's far from perfect but it provides a decent structure to base a film off of. The only problem I could foresee is the fact that it's an alien invasion story and so was The Avengers and they don't want the fact that they're copying Marvel to be too apparent.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk
06-06-2012, 06:53 PM
it's an alien invasion story and so was The Avengers and they don't want the fact that they're copying Marvel to be too apparent.

Since when has that ever stopped them?!

That aside I'm actually quite looking forward to a Black Panther movie. I never really knew much about him until I watched EMH but he is actually pretty cool.

I did hear they were doing an Antman movie as well, has there been any further word on that yet? I'm somewhat less enthusiastic about him really.

Lumenskir
06-06-2012, 07:58 PM
I did hear they were doing an Antman movie as well, has there been any further word on that yet? I'm somewhat less enthusiastic about him really.
In the article it says that while Edgar Wright was starting to work on the script, he's also busy working on the next Edgar Wright-Simon Pegg-Nick Frost movie this year, which would push the script for Ant Man back. I think they already have a Black Panther script ready, so it's just a matter of casting, director choice, re-edits, etc.

POS Industries
06-06-2012, 08:34 PM
That aside I'm actually quite looking forward to a Black Panther movie. I never really knew much about him until I watched EMH but he is actually pretty cool.
Wakanda developed technology to make awesome superhero movies centuries ago.

Amake
06-07-2012, 01:19 AM
I'm mostly excited about Days of Future Past. It'll be easier to watch the movie than find anyone willing to sell the comic, for one thing. (I sold mine.)

Let me run down some spoilers if you don't care to not know what happens in the comic: Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Banshee, Polaris, Xavier, the whole Fantastic Four, probably all of Avengers, Spider-man, Dr Doom, Daredevil, Black Panther, the Hulk and even Ghost Rider are dead before the story starts. Franklin Richards is blown up, Magneto sacrifices himself, Wolverine is disintegrated, Storm is staked and Colossus is stomped. And they don't get better! This time travel plot creates a pocket continuity that allows the authors to really go nuts, and they do so with style; this is pretty much the Dark Knight Returns of X-men.

Will it work as a movie? Probably better than as a comic. Claremont and Byrne fill about half the pages with text to cram the story into 40 pages, so there's a lot of stuff to expand on and I imagine they'll have to to make the movie run more than fifteen minutes. More is better, right?

Lumenskir
06-07-2012, 06:18 PM
Wakanda developed technology to make awesome superhero movies centuries ago.
I tried to read up on Black Panther on Wikipedia, but it's got a bad case of For Fans By Fans. He's basically African Batman, with a fictional country as his Bat Cave and the country's military as his Alfred, plus Hamlet-as-origin, right?

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk
06-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Pretty much yeah, though without the angst or grittyness of Batman. He also tends to have Stark level (or better) technology.

Premmy
06-08-2012, 03:51 AM
I tried to read up on Black Panther on Wikipedia, but it's got a bad case of For Fans By Fans. He's basically African Batman, with a fictional country as his Bat Cave and the country's military as his Alfred, plus Hamlet-as-origin, right?

African Captain America batman

Intern Nin
06-08-2012, 12:10 PM
African Captain America batman

African Captain America Batman Aquaman. Who dresses like a cat.

Lumenskir
06-08-2012, 10:55 PM
African Captain America Batman Aquaman.

Helllllo, T'Challa!

http://blackcelebsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Michael_B_Jordan_shirtless_09.jpg

Premmy
06-09-2012, 12:35 AM
That image says Michael Jordan... tha fuck?

The Sevenshot Kid
06-09-2012, 12:55 AM
His name is Michael B. Jordan. He was on Friday Night Lights and Chronicle. Not my first choice for Black Panther but a good one.

I would prefer to have John Boyega as T'Challa and Chiwetel Ejiofor as T'Chaka.

Lumenskir
06-09-2012, 09:57 AM
I would prefer to have John Boyega as T'Challa and Chiwetel Ejiofor as T'Chaka.
Yeah, that's my runner-up lineup (and I guess if they keep the Oxford background it'd make even more sense), I just really want everyone who was on The Wire to have a big career. Stupid Marvel using Idris Elba for some bullshit Thor part...

Magus
06-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Yeah, Black Panther's origin doesn't really make a lot of sense for a movie, but then again, did Thor's? In fact I think Black Panther will work better as a movie in many ways...

The Justice League thing is silly. It's like they looked at how the Marvel movies worked and said, "Let's do this in reverse." Confusing. As for a villain, I really don't think they'd like to go straight to an alien invasion/Darkseid for the first movie. It's been shown to be a bad idea (Green Lantern's Parallax, anyone?). If I had to make up a trilogy of Justice League movies, I'd save Darkseid for the second or third one. In fact here is an arc that makes the most sense for villains in a Justice League movie (and is in fact basically what Justice League Unlimited did, so there's that):

1. President Luthor/Cadmus and the government (which can bring in characters like Captain Atom who are interesting in their waffling between loyalty to the government and what they feel is right).
2. Legion of Doom.
3. Darkseid.

This is probably what would make the most sense as an "arc" for a trilogy. It's not what I would personally want, though. If it were up to me I'd never include Darkseid in any of these things. Instead I'd have them fight the Justice Lords as an "ultimate threat" in the third one. Or perhaps the Injustice League or whatever the "bad" version of the Justice League was (not just misguided or dystopian like the Justice Lords. Actual criminals, you know, Ultraman and Owlman and so on).

Lumenskir
06-09-2012, 01:55 PM
The Justice League thing is silly. It's like they looked at how the Marvel movies worked and said, "Let's do this in reverse." Confusing.
I don't think the basic theory is unsound, especially for the DC Movie Universe. DC's main plan hasn't been as organized as Marvel's, seeing as none of the DC superheroes ever appear to be living in the same universe. Doing the team-up movie first lets you create a blank slate to introduce how the individuals will act later. DC never had Marvel's familiarity problem (i.e., Batman and Superman were always more well known than Iron Man or Thor), but they do have a problem with consistency.
As for a villain, I really don't think they'd like to go straight to an alien invasion/Darkseid for the first movie.
Ah, but if they do then they could potentially preemptively fuck over Marvel and the similar sounding Thanos arc. Earliest Marvel can get out Avengers 2 is 2014, Justice League could come out the summer before easily.
(Green Lantern's Parallax, anyone?).
Yeah, I think that was mostly a problem of execution rather than concept.

Magus
06-09-2012, 02:03 PM
But why not just copy Marvel's plan? Pick a third superhero besides Batman or Superman to begin a new reboot of interconnected movies with, much like Iron Man kicked off the Marvel-movie universe. Then have one movie each for four or five of the major ones and then have the Justice League movie. Doing it in reverse doesn't make sense to me.

The only thing this requires to go well is that the individual movies be good. I think we can bank on a rebooted Batman or Superman being decent, but Warner Bros. has had a hard time getting a third franchise going. And yeah, it's not so much the concept of Green Lantern/Parallax, but their execution. Going for a big ensemble movie without building up the individuals within it seems like more of the same bad execution.

If I were them I would create a game plan for a DC-movie universe. Start with trying to get a third hero going well to start. The Flash would probably be a good one to start with since I hear they are already developing a Flash movie. Then do that thing where you cliffhanger off the ending of the movie to preview the next one and create a real plan for how you are going to build up to a Justice League movie. Don't just throw a Justice League movie out there and think people are going to then be real excited about seeing a movie with one of the individual members who aren't Batman or Superman based on whatever success Justice League has.

I mean, there are arguments that the public will like a Justice League movie without there being individual movies first. 4 or 5 of them have pretty large cachet with the general public, unlike the Marvel heroes in the Avengers. The average person didn't have any idea who any of them were other than probably the Hulk and Captain America, whereas most people are pretty familiar with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Aquaman, etc. But that they would accept a Justice League movie and then go on to watch a Cyborg movie, or a Martian Manhunter movie...I dunno.

Lumenskir
06-09-2012, 04:18 PM
But that they would accept a Justice League movie and then go on to watch a Cyborg movie, or a Martian Manhunter movie...I dunno.
True, but then the problem is more about playing the pros/cons of "Is [X] ready for primetime?"

Related: What would everyone's ideal starting movie-JL line up be? For me, looking primarily at mass appeal and acting enticement, I'd go Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, John Stewart GL (so that DC can have the implicit diversity card ready to deploy), and The Flash. Aquaman might still be too much of a joke, and Martian Manhunter might need a higher Q Score and groundwork to explain why he's not just green Superman.

Intern Nin
06-09-2012, 04:26 PM
Aquaman might still be too much of a joke
Aquaman isn't a joke. He's the punchline.
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Magus
06-09-2012, 04:55 PM
Hard to ignore both Aquaman and Martian Manhunter...obviously they felt Cyborg could stand in for one of them, but I can't necessarily think of a seventh to take the place of the other. Captain Atom would be interesting for what he brings to the plot, or...I dunno, Elongated Man? I can't see that going over better than Aquaman.

Plus you have to keep in mind if they were going to make a Justice League movie they'd probably want it to either follow the first Justice League line-up or the current one to tie it in with the current comics.

Lumenskir
06-09-2012, 05:01 PM
Plus you have to keep in mind if they were going to make a Justice League movie they'd probably want it to either follow the first Justice League line-up or the current one to tie it in with the current comics.
Is that what Avengers did? I went with five to match up with how many heroes were in that one (counting SHIELD as one hero).

Magus
06-09-2012, 05:04 PM
Oh, well, I figured the Avengers had seven, really, if you count Nick Fury. Which you should, I mean, he had his own comic book back in the day. And I certainly considered Hawkeye and Black Widow to be separate heroes, too.

And Justice League to me always has seven at the least, too. It's a nice number...five would work too, I suppose, but seven just seems right.

The Sevenshot Kid
06-09-2012, 07:56 PM
Donald Glover would be fucking awesome as Cyborg.

DC should just launch into a Justice League movie with the current line-up and maybe they could put in Hawkgirl too if they wanted. Aquaman is a fucking necessity. Done right, he could be the break out character like the Hulk was in Avengers. Imagine a badass Aquaman summoning sharks and telepathically inducing seizures.

For the villain, they have no choice but to go with Darkseid. There's no other credible villain that would work in a movie and you can't spring a Legion of Doom without any set-up (maybe they could if they could find someone capable of adapting the totally awesome Justice). DC could totally fuck over Marvel by pulling the Fourth World card before they can play Thanos because, let's be honest here, Thanos is totally a Darkseid rip-off.

The main problem DC has is that the individual stories of each hero are more interesting than the team stories. The only time I can say that wasn't true was in the cartoon series and Warner Bros. isn't smart enough to pull those writers in. They hired the fucking guy that wrote Gangster Squad.

Magus
06-10-2012, 01:14 AM
How was the government not a credible villain? They got a whole season of the show out of it.

I hate the concept of Darkseid. I hate overpowered god-like supervillains, like Darkseid or Thanos, whose only motive is to rule the universe, and not backed up by some kind of character trait. Like Lex Luthor wants to rule the world, and he's driven by his own inadequacies as a mortal man in the face of Superman, the beloved immortal. Amanda Waller fears the abilities of the metahumans and what they mean for the future of the country.

Darkseid is just like "want to rule the universe, because I am evil." It's so boring to me.

I'll tell you what, meet in the middle. Brainiac is more interesting than Darkseid. Make it Brainiac who invades. At least his motive is interesting.

Premmy
06-10-2012, 02:43 AM
The main problem DC has is that the individual stories of each hero are more interesting than the team stories. The only time I can say that wasn't true was in the cartoon series and Warner Bros. is smart enough to pull those writers in. They hired the fucking guy that wrote Gangster Squad.
This is kind of an inherent fault of all "All Star" Team-Ups because they always involve characters initially created to be solo, or created with their own supporting cast, setting, and tone in mind.

The Sevenshot Kid
06-10-2012, 02:45 AM
How was the government not a credible villain? They got a whole season of the show out of it.

You can't just make the government a villain (at least the first time around) in a big budget superhero movie. If the film is going to portray the Justice League as already being an existing entity then you can introduce distrust from the government but if it's actually a movie about forming the team then you can't just jump right in with it. The reason why the Cadmus arc worked on the show was because they built up to it from as early as Superman: The Animated Series, it's not something you can just introduce.

I'll tell you what, meet in the middle. Brainiac is more interesting than Darkseid. Make it Brainiac who invades. At least his motive is interesting.

Brainiac has that problem of being too closely associated with Superman. Marvel almost had the same problem with Loki but they had built up to him and included elements from the other films and introduced more to make him a credible threat (cosmic cube, the Chitauri) for the team. Loki was also not just a Thor villain but an Avengers villain, the first Avengers villain. Brainiac is a Superman villain first and (depending if you want to split hairs seeing as how it's Brainiac 5) a member of the Legion of Superheroes second.

Darkseid, however, has a history with the Justice League. The Legends story-arc from the eighties is another example of a great basis for a movie plot. It was even (kinda sorta) adapted in the tenth season of Smallville somewhat successfully.

Lumenskir
06-10-2012, 09:17 AM
They hired the fucking guy that wrote Gangster Squad.
Oh man, you saw a sneak preview of Gangster Squad!? I get that you didn't like it, but what were your overall impressions??
Brainiac has that problem of being too closely associated with Superman.
Yeah, for comic readers and maybe people who watched Smallville or Lois and Clark. For the average moviegoer you just need something that provides a world-ending threat.

That being said, it's just smart to use Darkseid so that they can, if not cut off Marvel, attempt to pre-saturate the marketplace with Cosmic World Conquerors.

CABAL49
06-10-2012, 09:54 AM
But then what? There is not a lot that is more threatening that Darkseid.

Professor Smarmiarty
06-10-2012, 10:22 AM
In Justice League 2 the villain is Man.

POS Industries
06-10-2012, 11:44 AM
I hate the concept of Darkseid. I hate overpowered god-like supervillains, like Darkseid or Thanos, whose only motive is to rule the universe, and not backed up by some kind of character trait.
You're spot on with Darkseid and I can see where you might be confused with Thanos what with the two of them being roughly the same character created by the same guy for both companies in a fit of laziness, but at least with Thanos the primary motivation is to get into Death's pants.

He's conquering the galaxy for love!

Intern Nin
06-10-2012, 12:11 PM
You're spot on with Darkseid and I can see where you might be confused with Thanos what with the two of them being roughly the same character created by the same guy for both companies in a fit of laziness, but at least with Thanos the primary motivation is to get into Death's pants.
Darkseid was created by Jack Kirby. Jim Starlin created Thanos.

Magus
06-10-2012, 12:35 PM
Well personally I usually associate Darkseid with Superman, as well, or Wonder Woman to an extent. I admit that Brainiac is pretty much only a Superman villain, of course, but I don't see why that would keep the average movie-goer from accepting him as the villain in a Justice League movie. You're not going to have time to properly build up Darkseid, either. That's why when they go with the "alien invasion" plot without any build-up it seems lazy. That's why I think a more personal enemy would be better.

The Sevenshot Kid
06-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Oh man, you saw a sneak preview of Gangster Squad!? I get that you didn't like it, but what were your overall impressions?

Har har har.

I haven't seen it, I'm actually looking forward to it, but I'm just concerned about them not getting someone with some pedigree or some geek cred. Avengers got Joss Whedon, Justice League got some guy that wrote some episodes of Castle and a movie no one has seen.

Magus
06-10-2012, 02:29 PM
I don't even see it going anywhere yet anyway. They've been talking about it for three years and they don't even have a script or possibly don't even a story outline created. Just a bunch of people saying "let's start developing this so we can maybe get something out in 2016 maybe." When a movie is talked about like that, who knows if anything is ever going to get done. There are so many movies that have been put into "pre-production" that I'm not sure I'm ever going to see.