Oh shit, a Steam Autumn Sale, NOT ENOUGH MONEY

[Revising Ocelot]

Guaranteed to leave you penniless for the inevitable Christmas sale. There's currently 48 hour deals as well as flash deals between 9-16 hours at this time.

Rather than type everything out manually, I'll screenshot it for your pleasure. It'll all be in Britty squids, but the percentages should be the same wherever you live. Probably.

But seriously, it'd probably be better if you wait one more month until ransacking your funds. F'instance, Darksiders 2 was cheaper when it was on midweek sale just last week, and it'd probably be back to that price by then. Then again, that sale didn't discount the DLC.

http://i.imgur.com/TwrFu.png
http://i.imgur.com/oCVlG.png
http://i.imgur.com/AEIG9.png

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Downside of all the chrimbo sales of the past is i pretty much have all i want. Might be a thing here or there, but it is unlikely.

It's like that nef now comic. Steam veteran of war makes the wallet a safe wallet.

[Revising Ocelot]

XCOM didn't exist last year, however.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Yeah, but i still jumped on that shit day one. Might gift it to a friend, though. Depends on if he wants it or not.

[BB]

Don't miss the daily indie deals too, some cracking prices over that way (£1.74 for World of Goo and Cave Story+, you can do much worse, and Fortune Summoners is a lot of super-adorable fun)

As always, the rule of steam sales if there's something you want:

1) Is it on Daily Deal? Buy it.
2) Is it on Flash Sale? Buy it.
3) Is it discounted, but not on either Daily Deal or Flash Sale? Wait until the last day.

Especially for indie titles, games often get discounted to 50% only to later appear in a daily offer at 75% off. If you can handle waiting 5 days, you might save yourself some money.

I've been trading and amassing some small wealth in TF2 items waiting for this occasion so I will be buying a few things in exchange for keys/metal if anyone is interested. Nothing today though!

[Solid Snake]

33% off of X-Com?
ssssshhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiii my moneys

[MuMu]

I reccomend X-com and Darksiders II(Even if I didn't enjoy it as much as the first one). Gonna see if I can snatch Walking Dead.

edit: First Darksiders is at 75%, it's a dark Zelda-styled game with nice combat. The second has RPG elements instead but still is pretty good.

[mauve]

There must be some pretty rad sales going on, as I can't connect to the steam server this morning.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Do I chance getting X-com now or waiting to see if it ends up in a flash sale later?

[Revising Ocelot]

In past sales, flash sale prices were always the same as daily deals. It's just a matter of chance on whether something pops up there that doesn't go daily, or an opportunity to get it again if you missed the daily and vice versa.

[Arcanum]

Yeah I don't think flash sales were ever better than daily sales.

[Flarecobra]

Yeah, nothing catches my eye at the moment.

[Sithdarth]

I spent way too much money. I just couldn't stop.

[Solid Snake]

Do I chance getting X-com now or waiting to see if it ends up in a flash sale later?

Join me in procuring-XCOM-today-land
Together we will kill aliens and stuff

EDIT: Also is it possible to utilize non-Steam Mods with Steam downloads? I feel like the obvious answer is Yes, but I'll ask anyway.
I used to own KOTOR II on-disc and I downloaded a sweet Mod that fixed about 80-90% of its bugs and presumably 'restored' some lost content. I'm trying to digitize my catalog and sell some older games that are on multiple discs so KOTOR II for $2.50 looks enticing, but only if I can download that Mod and access that content.

[Arcanum]

Join me in procuring-XCOM-today-land
Together we will kill aliens and stuff

EDIT: Also is it possible to utilize non-Steam Mods with Steam downloads? I feel like the obvious answer is Yes, but I'll ask anyway.
I used to own KOTOR II on-disc and I downloaded a sweet Mod that fixed about 80-90% of its bugs and presumably 'restored' some lost content. I'm trying to digitize my catalog and sell some older games that are on multiple discs so KOTOR II for $2.50 looks enticing, but only if I can download that Mod and access that content.

Pretty sure you can. A cursory glance at google also says yes.

[Melfice]

I got The Walking Dead.
More doesn't really look interesting right now.

[EVILNess]

I got The Walking Dead.
More doesn't really look interesting right now.

Oh man, I had put that game out of my mind finally.

Why did you remind me of the most depressing thing I have ever played?

Of course, I am also to blame, the comic was the most depressing thing I have ever read. What made me think to expect differently.

[Kim]

I heard Analogue: A Hate Story was on sale. Get that.

[DarkDrgon]

ughh There are a few things I want, but my crappy laptop can't run them

[Revising Ocelot]

Been out all day so slightly late in posting these flash sales, which I'm editing into the first post.

[Bells]

I survived the first wave of sales... but i think i'll fall for that Gary's Mod Deal.. so many cool Half Life mods require you to have at least that, that it's actually worth it even though i'm not overly fond of fugging around with the sandbox stuff

[BB]

Best unlisted deals (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3010922)- some good offers here and you can be reasonably assured that anything at 75% or more probably won't get a better discount later.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I am avoiding looking at this completely, for fear of spending way too much on stuff, and also experiancing the bitter resentment of knowing that a lot of awesome deals will be wasted on me since I can't run most games.

Though I did just click BBs link and saw Star Ruler is 80% off, and it would be nice to get that again after my last steam account fucked up on me. But even then, I resent having to buy something I already bought once before. Same goes for the Broken Sword games.

Now, if they'd finally get around to releasing all the Myst series on here, then we'd be talking...

[Revising Ocelot]

New daily deals. Old ones are still going for another 24 hours, so I'll leave them both up in the first post.

[BB]

Now, if they'd finally get around to releasing all the Myst series on here, then we'd be talking...

Do yourself a favour and don't click this (http://store.steampowered.com/sub/15168/).

[MuMu]

Walking Dead, Prototype and NOTHING MORE

You don't own me, Steam. You don't own me.

[Revising Ocelot]

These'll probably expire while I'm still asleep, so I'll just stick them in this post.

http://i.imgur.com/orv0G.png

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Do yourself a favour and don't click this (http://store.steampowered.com/sub/15168/).

Fortunately that isn't the complete collection. Mysts 3 and 4 are still missing.

[Bells]

Oh look a Multiplayer Military Helicopter Simulation that is 75% off and has a 400 Page Manual plus a 200 page GUI manual

http://store.steampowered.com/app/61000/

[Ryong]

Oh look a Multiplayer Military Helicopter Simulation that is 75% off and has a 400 Page Manual plus a 200 page GUI manual

http://store.steampowered.com/app/61000/

I like how the video says "easily configure your actions" when it shows several pages of keybinds.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Just so everyone is aware Planetside 2 has been released recently and it's totally fucking awesome and totally freaking free.
I love the era of microstransaction business.

[Ramary]

I love the era of microstransaction business.

Hey Karesh want to talk about TOR again?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Hey Karesh want to talk about TOR again?

It serves as an exemplar of what not to do.

[Solid Snake]

Oh hey, To The Moon is 66% off.
I should probably get that.

[Kim]

Oh hey, To The Moon is 66% off.
I should probably get that.

Yeah.

[Revising Ocelot]

Just so everyone is aware Planetside 2 has been released recently and it's totally fucking awesome and totally freaking free.
I love the era of microstransaction business.

I'll copy pasta what I wrote on another forum.

What a mess.

Firstly, the Steam version was the US Client, so I had to mess around with some .ini files to change it to the EU Client so I could actually log in with my account.

When trying to accept the EULA, the Launcher would crash. This persisted for a few hours. Regardless of this the launcher will just randomly crash whenever it feels like it - it may not load, it'll break on logging in, or simply trying to fire up the game.

I managed to get into the game 3 times. The first time, I got a G37 error and booted out when I made my character. The second time, I sat in queue for a server for half an hour, and when it finally got to "Position in Queue: 0"... absolutely nothing happened. For 10 minutes. I gave up and quit out.
The third time was the most successful. I entered the game, landed on part of the planet, and immediately got killed in about 2 seconds flat by a tank. No big deal. Respawned somewhere different, ran out of the building. Saw a red guy shoot down a purple ally, so I skullplugged him. Attempt to reload my rifle and... crash to desktop. No error message. Nothing.


I'll try this again when it's had some serious patching done. Yeah it's a F2P game, but this kind of performance is unacceptable.

Also, new flash sales in OP. Except one of them is FOUR DAYS seven hours. *shrug*

[Bells]

Awww man... guns of Icarus... i do love me some Coop Shenanigans!!

[Aerozord]

Ok I finally got Terraria and Binding of Isaac, but thats it steam, you hear me THATS IT, YOU WONT GET ME FOR ANY- oh Awesomenauts is on sale too?

[POS Industries]

Super Street Fighter 4: AE is 50% off until the 27th. Of course, that still only drops it down to 20 bucks because Capcom loves money.

[Bells]

Street Fighter X Tekken is better and it's also down in price, but not as much though

[Kim]

Spec Ops: The Line is fifteen bucks and you folks should get it.

Basically it's a military shooter that doesn't actually read as far-right propaganda.

[Bells]

Spec Ops: The Line is fifteen bucks and you folks should get it.

Yes. Yes!
You all really should give the people who made this game your money. Give it as a present for anybody who bought Call of Duty or Medal of Honor, it's the feel good story of the year.

and by good i mean mindfucked.

$15 for this game is a Gift Given.

....guess what i'm saying is play Spec Ops The line.

[Arcanum]

First rule of steam sales: If it's not a daily deal, wait until the last day.
Second rule of steam sales: If it's not a flash sale, wait until the last day.

Stop trying to get me to break the rules Kim and Bells!!!

[Wizardcat]

Street Fighter X Tekken is better
POS, would you mind tossing one of those laughing reaction images over here?

[POS Industries]

POS, would you mind tossing one of those laughing reaction images over here?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/1325909130928.jpg

But in all seriousness I wish Juri was as good in AE as she is in SFxT. The fact that her lk cancels into mk due to the launcher combo system instead of requiring a one-frame link in her BnB is a godsend all on its own, and the juggle combo and ground bounce mechanics gives her a lot more options off of her cr.hp anti-air, but I just can't help but feel like AE is a more solid game overall.

I'd be down for putting together NPFight Nights to play either, really, but AE would be my preferred choice. SFxT does have a wider variety of multi-player choices, though.

[Melfice]

I also cracked and got Amnesia.

I fucking hate myself, because I can't stand horror games. I don't know WHAT I was thinking.

[EVILNess]

There are a few things I want, but I have been out of work since my cancer surgery and I have no money.

I guess it will have to wait until the winter sale.

[Revising Ocelot]

I also cracked and got Amnesia.

I fucking hate myself, because I can't stand horror games. I don't know WHAT I was thinking.

Now you have to stream it as you play!

[Kim]

Now you have to stream it as you play!

That is the rule.

[Melfice]

Okay, I guess I could try and work something out. Maybe not stream it live, but I might be able to record stuff.

One rule, and I'm sticking with it: I AM NOT PLAYING AT NIGHT OR ANY TIME WHEN IT IS DARK.

[Revising Ocelot]

One rule, and I'm sticking with it: I AM NOT PLAYING AT NIGHT OR ANY TIME WHEN IT IS DARK.

Weaksauce.

Totally going to stream A Machine for Pigs myself whenever that comes out. I'm reserving it. First cut of the ham to me.
Presuming I can actually get streaming to work beforehand, though. Hm. Maybe I should do Super Metroid or Castlevania SOTN first, or something.

[Arcanum]

I also cracked and got Amnesia.

I fucking hate myself, because I can't stand horror games. I don't know WHAT I was thinking.

I still haven't beat that game.


One rule, and I'm sticking with it: I AM NOT PLAYING AT NIGHT OR ANY TIME WHEN IT IS DARK.

And the reason is because my rule was the opposite. I only played it at night/when it was dark, and I used headphones.

Anyway, Thief is on sale. Should I buy the bundle or should I only get certain ones, because I remember hearing one of them isn't as good, but I forget which.

[Revising Ocelot]

And the reason is because my rule was the opposite. I only played it at night/when it was dark, and I used headphones.

I did that, and completed it. But I could only really go for 30 minutes at a time before going nope.avi and quitting out. Took me a few weeks. Fuck the prison and fuck the torture chambers.

[Melfice]

I got nightmares from a comic (or manga. I don't remember. Probably repressed it.) that was a bit too sick for my tastes, that I read at night.

I don't give a shit what you think, Ocelot.
I really, really don't.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I just bought Thief 1 and 3 and Star Ruler, for a total of £6. Fuck you Steam!

[Revising Ocelot]

I don't give a shit what you think, Ocelot.
I really, really don't.

I wouldn't want it any other way!

[Geminex]

I just bought Thief 1 and 3 and Star Ruler, for a total of £6. Fuck you Steam!

I personally thought thief 2 was the best in the series. Thief 3 was a bit linear, for my tastes.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Only one I've ever actually played is Thief 2 (I tried doing a pure ghost run a while back, got stuck on Life of the Party, never finished it), but yeah, I've heard the third is a bit.. different. But eh, fuck it, it was £1.47, probably still worth it.

[mauve]

Aaaarrrrggggh, Steam why do you do this?! I had just made up my mind to skip this sale and save my money for the epic Winter Sale that'll be held in like two weeks, and now you're showing all these games I've been considering for less than $5.

Steam makes me break my promises to myself.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I know the feeling Mauve. Valve are bastards, offering all these wonderful games that we all want to play for excessively cheap prices. How dare they presume to offer such quality service. It's an outrage, outrage I say!

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go vent my dissaproval by purchasing Sim City 4 for £5. Outrage!

[Bells]

HOLY FUCKING BALLS!! FARMING SIMULATOR 2013 IS 50% OFF!!!!!!!!!

AND IT HAS MULTIPLAYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!

[akaSM]

Maybe not stream it live, but I might be able to record stuff.

You HAVE to stream it :3. I bet there are a lot of people who could help you setting the stream and stuff.

HOLY FUCKING BALLS!! FARMING SIMULATOR 2013 IS 50% OFF!!!!!!!!!

AND IT HAS MULTIPLAYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!

I herd you liek sims (http://www.indiegala.com/)

[Magni]

You can get Dishonored 50% off at Green Man Gaming.

Edit: And you can apply the pc download discount. It's only 22.50

[mauve]

I know the feeling Mauve. Valve are bastards, offering all these wonderful games that we all want to play for excessively cheap prices. How dare they presume to offer such quality service. It's an outrage, outrage I say!

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go vent my dissaproval by purchasing Sim City 4 for £5. Outrage!

Exactly!!! How dare they!!



Aw man. I could purchase every game on my wishlist (with the exception of Borderlands 2 and Scribblenauts) for a grand total of $33. Nice.

None of them are flash sales or daily deals, though, so I figure I'll give it a few more days. THEN I'll just buy everything and save Borderlands 2 for the Christmas sale when it'll inevitably have a coupon deal. And if it doesn't, then I'll justify it by saying I HAVE to buy it at whatever price because there's nothing else to purchase by then.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

HOLY FUCKING BALLS!! FARMING SIMULATOR 2013 IS 50% OFF!!!!!!!!!

AND IT HAS MULTIPLAYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!

Everybody immediately rushes to tip the other player's cows.

[Solid Snake]

I'm actually genuinely tempted by Farming Simulator 2013, which is a sentence I never thought I'd sincerely type.

But the graphics don't look that bad! And part of me has always wanted to own a farm.

[Melfice]

After watching Duncan and Sjin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHdeYCZYiwY&list=UUs4br3aZLU0sOEM-3n0-6xQ&index=10&feature=plcp) of the Yogscast playing it, I had to get me Farming Simulator 2013 as well.

Once again I state: I have a problem. Help me.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yeah, the Yogscast playthrough made it look hilariously fun and actually look like a competent game, but it's also slightly beefy on memory and ram, so I'm using that to justify not purchasing it and not because I would be embarrassed to own such a thing.

[DarkDrgon]

I bought the three pack of awesomenauts for me and a friend, so I have one to spare if anyone wants

[Aerozord]

I bought the three pack of awesomenauts for me and a friend, so I have one to spare if anyone wants

I'll take it, then I can join in on steam nights when we play

[Bells]

just to let you guys know that you COULD be playing Scribblenauts Unlimited on the pc RIGHT NOW but you are not.

and that's just sad...

[Aerozord]

I bought the three pack of awesomenauts for me and a friend, so I have one to spare if anyone wants

Its Aeroz if you decide to, I need to get to work

[Shyria Dracnoir]

I already plonked my game budget on Scribblenauts Unlimited, but I would not be adverse to getting Farming Sim if someone has a spare or is feeling charitable *cough*.

[Ramary]

Hotline Miami is a flash deal and fucking trippy awesome.


And also since Karesh is a jerk and refuses to accept my gifts, I have a spare copy now if someone wants.

[Arcanum]

Oooohhh pick me! Pick me!

[Solid Snake]

...Psychonauts is $2.50
STEAM WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME

[Satan's Onion]

...Psychonauts is $2.50


...which I already have :smug: . I pity all of you, really, who don't have the fortitude to hot diggity, five bucks for Portal 2!

[Solid Snake]

I feel like Steam has been inundating me with games over the past few days.
It's literally too much for me to process.
I'm kneejerkingly buying so many of these phenomenal games at dirt-cheap prices and at no point am I taking a moment to mull over when I'd actually have time to play any of them

...I'm just describing everyone's experience with Steam sales, aren't I?

[Kim]

I haven't bought a single game.

[akaSM]

I haven't bought a single game.

This, due to college/debit card shenanigans.

It's not like I would've bought anything anyway, I want to go through my backlog and, at least finish a game before I die buy more games ::V:

[Arcanum]

...I'm just describing everyone's experience with Steam sales, aren't I?

My steam Library is separated into four categories. In addition to the standard "Favorites" and "Everything else" I added two custom categories of "Not Finished" and "Haven't Started." I haven't bothered to count, but I'm pretty sure over half the games I own are split between those two categories.

[Red Fighter 1073]

Bought XCOM a couple days ago for $30. Most expensive purchase I've made on Steam and despite that it feels like it was most valuable in terms of the amount of hours I've already sunk into the game.

I feel like you always get those situations with Steam where you buy something on Steam based off the hype around it because it's on sale for cheap but you never end up playing it that much when you do buy it. Thankfully XCOM has been more than worth it although my College Writing final paper isn't too happy about my enjoyment with the game right now.

[Bells]

i try very much to focus any purchases i make on steam in the "Multiplayer" group, just cause that for me, it's where i'm going to get more value from. Also makes it easier to dodge some sales if they are for games that none of my friends have or don't have multiplayer at all.

[Solid Snake]

I haven't bought a single game.

I am envious of your restraint.

[Loyal]

I consider myself having bought half a game, insofar as it's the expansion to Civ 5.

[rpgdemon]

I'm with Kim. I don't get why Steam sales are so addicting to people.

I have a back log of games to play, and not much time, so I don't even bother looking, since I'm too lazy to look at prices or try to find games that I might play.

[Arcanum]

I'm with Kim. I don't get why Steam sales are so addicting to people.

I have a back log of games to play, and not much time, so I don't even bother looking, since I'm too lazy to look at prices or try to find games that I might play.

Because instead of going "I don't need to buy this, I can just play one of the dozens of games I haven't played yet, and by the time I work through my backlog there will be another sale" like a rational person, I go "aaahhhh it's on sale, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it!!!!!"

[Ramary]

I'm with Kim. I don't get why Steam sales are so addicting to people.

I have a back log of games to play, and not much time, so I don't even bother looking, since I'm too lazy to look at prices or try to find games that I might play.

I have a master plan to slowly buy everything so I no longer have to buy anything.

I am at 612 right now apparently.

[akaSM]

Because instead of going "I don't need to buy this, I can just play one of the dozens of games I haven't played yet, and by the time I work through my backlog there will be another sale" like a rational person, I go "aaahhhh it's on sale, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it!!!!!"

QFT

[Solid Snake]

DISHONORED IS 50% OFF
CIVILIZATION V IS 75% OFF
TORCHLIGHT II FOR $10
ARKHAM CITY GOTY EDITION FOR $7.50


Fuck you Steam
Just seriously now
For the sake of my bleeding goddamn wallet
Fuck. Yyyyyoooouuuuu

[Ramary]

Who wants to co-op Orcs Must Die 2 with me? (since karesh is still a jerk)

Leave your co-op résumé on my desk and I will consider my options.

[mauve]

Hey Hey Hey Guys Hey Hey

Not that I'm in the throes of shopping madness or anything, but I'd like some opinions before I make a purchase here. Orcs Must Die 2 is on a daily deal: I have the original on my wishlist cuz I haven't played either one. Do you guys think the first or the second game is better?

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy Quantum Conundrum, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and whatever I can't force myself to wait until Tuesday to buy to see if it goes any lower in price.

EDIT:

Who wants to co-op Orcs Must Die 2 with me? (since karesh is still a jerk) WELP


ALSO EDIT:
ARKHAM CITY GOTY EDITION FOR $7.50 Anyone who hasn't played Arkham City and Arkham Asylum needs to do so now. Because I care too much about you people to let you suffer through a life without these games. BECAUSE BATMAN

[Ramary]

Mauve from what I know of it, the second game is the first game with more stuff and co-op. So it is better.

If you want in, I am buying the 2 pack of the complete edition since its cheaper then buying the base game at full price so I can just gift it to you.

I mean I already gave Arc Hotline Miami and aka SANIC, I am like Santa that is a month early.

[mauve]

Mauve from what I know of it, the second game is the first game with more stuff and co-op. So it is better.

If you want in, I am buying the 2 pack of the complete edition since its cheaper then buying the base game at full price so I can just gift it to you.

I mean I already gave Arc Hotline Miami and aka SANIC, I am like Santa that is a month early.
Sweet! Sure, I'll take a copy! Thanks!

[Arcanum]

I have played through Arkham City twice on the 360 (regular and new game +) and am working on my new game + playthrough on the PC. I also collected every riddler trophy in the pc version and I hate hidden collectibles in games. And I'm still having fun with the game. So basically, BUY ARKHAM CITY, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE READING THIS, GO BUY IT NOW.

edit- Also I was gonna buy the Quantum Conundrum DLC but when I go to check out it tells me I already have it. I guess when I pre-ordered the game I got the season pass edition and just completely forgot. So yay I have new content to play!

[mauve]

Along that same vein, does anyone know if Quantum Conundrum can run on Vista? Steam says minimum requirement is Windows 7, but other websites say minimum req is XP.

[Ramary]

Attempt to run the demo.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Anyone who hasn't played Arkham City and Arkham Asylum needs to do so now. Because I care too much about you people to let you suffer through a life without these games. BECAUSE BATMAN

I have never played either. I bought Asylum when it came out, but, like the demo I got from the psn, it would inexplicately not work when I tried to load them up. I tried 2 copies before giving up and getting my money back. I never bothered with City after that as I felt I should play the first one, yano, first.

I am aware of my shameful failure in this regard.

[Flarecobra]

I have played neither batman game, and to be perfectly honest... I don't see myself playing them either. I've watched gameplay footage, and read up on them, and they just don't seem to fall into my "I'll play it." catagory.

[Arcanum]

I have never played either. I bought Asylum when it came out, but, like the demo I got from the psn, it would inexplicately not work when I tried to load them up. I tried 2 copies before giving up and getting my money back. I never bothered with City after that as I felt I should play the first one, yano, first.

I am aware of my shameful failure in this regard.

MIZbGSXeWWE

[Kim]

I'm gonna keep saying this, but get Analogue. It's amazingly well-written. The experience of learning about another culture via spaceship logs, the sexism of that culture being commented on by a character in the story, the background music... It's all just great. Plus, it's by a queer developer, and I'm gonna be honest and say I think queer developers are very much worth supporting when possible, because there need to be more of them in the industry. Just check the game out. It's great.

[Solid Snake]

I'm gonna keep saying this, but get Analogue. It's amazingly well-written. The experience of learning about another culture via spaceship logs, the sexism of that culture being commented on by a character in the story, the background music... It's all just great. Plus, it's by a queer developer, and I'm gonna be honest and say I think queer developers are very much worth supporting when possible, because there need to be more of them in the industry. Just check the game out. It's great.

There are progressive Visual Novels on Steam?
...Done and done.
Should I get Visual too?

[Ramary]

Fuck you Kim, now have to make a visual novel tab for my steam list. IT WAS PERFECT TILL YOU REMINDED ME THAT ANALOGUE WAS STILL AROUND.

Now if you excuse me I need to work 5 grueling seconds to fix my games list.

[Solid Snake]

...Shit I want to buy this universe simulator thing.
Is it worth it?
NOTE: You only have an hour to respond get to it

[Flarecobra]

It's fun to derp around in. Like once I managed to transfer the Solar System from the Milky Way to the Large Magellenic Cloud.

[Solid Snake]

Since it's now a Flash Deal and because I'm desperate to actually play a multiplayer session of this game with folks I know, I'll strongly recommend Crusader Kings II, an addictive strategy game that's akin to Total War except you control a ruling dynastic family instead of a nation, and you're able to more intimately influence politics, religion, the economy and military matters.

If you like games like Total War or if you've played Paradox titles before, CKII is a very similar medieval strategy simulator with a beautiful aesthetic design, a challenging degree of difficulty and an interface that's simultaneously easy to learn but complex and difficult to master.

There are a few social-justice related concerns with the game that merit mentioning:

* In the interests of 'historical authenticity,' characters with the 'homosexual' trait receive a fairly significant penalty to their Diplomacy and Fertility stats, which in turn leads to gameplay benefits being derived from murdering or de-legitimizing gay heirs (because your heterosexual heirs with otherwise equal stats are statistically predisposed to have happier reigns and more children.)

Fortunately, you can choose to ignore this incentive and rule your Kingdom as a 21st Century progressive monarchy, and your gay ruler can become legendary (and sleep with hordes of lovers) if you play well.

Furthermore, you can choose to Mod the penalty out of existence, but those modded values won't carry over into online multiplayer games.

* In the interests of 'historical authenticity,' most women are relegated to supporting roles -- though it is technically possible to procure and play as a female heir, doing so is very difficult unless you're murdering all your sons, grandsons and brothers to ensure your eldest daughter (or sister) takes control. And, female rulers, like homosexuals, suffer a penalty to their Diplomacy stat. If your ruler is a lesbian, you get both penalties, and it becomes very difficult to stay in power unless she has offsetting traits like 'Genius' or 'Kind.'


These have been relatively minor matters in my own playthroughs because, if you're progressive enough as a player, you can just choose to ignore play through the structural limitations. In fact, it's fun to play CKII with gay and female Kings and Queens in an overt attempt to piss on 'historical authenticity.'

And when it comes to matters of race, CKII does the best job of any historical strategy game I've played of including unique Muslim, Mongol and African factions. The Muslim kingdoms and empires in particular don't feel like afterthoughts, and playing as them is lots of fun.

[Arcanum]

So gameplay mechanics that portray the bias and prejudice of that time period are a concern? Those same mechanics that you can ignore or even embrace and that only limit you if you're trying to do a min-maxed playthrough? Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?

[Bells]

I'm pretty sure that by that definition Civilization is also "socially unjust"

[Solid Snake]

So gameplay mechanics that portray the bias and prejudice of that time period are a concern? Those same mechanics that you can ignore or even embrace and that only limit you if you're trying to do a min-maxed playthrough? Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?

It's kind of disconcerting that the penalty for merely being a homosexual ruler in CKII is actually in most respects more severe than the penalties actual homosexual rulers were likely to face at the time, yes.

Like if we're talking 'true historical accuracy' here, you could be a homosexual ruler and face relatively little consequence unless you flaunted a so-called 'decadent' lifestyle in the face of the church. Most gay rulers, given the power they had access to, were perfectly able to dabble with lovers 'on the side' without facing any significant consequence. In that sense they had far greater latitude than the peasantry.

The real problem with this mechanic in CKII from a 'historical authenticity' perspective is that the mere act of being born homosexual automatically leads to the penalty. There's no conscious decision-making involved where, say, I could accept the penalty for my character if I chose to flaunt a gay relationship publicly in front of religious figures. And the penalty is grossly exaggerated in effect -- if you're ruling a major Kingdom or Empire with lots of vassals, the mere fact that the King is gay and visiting male lovers in secret will result in mass uprisings, even if all his other stats are generally positive. Vassals are prickly in this game.

But the warning is really intended for people who might, say, emotionally react to the notion that their gay character might be murdered (by an opposing vassal with the 'Zealous' trait, for example) merely for being gay. I'm sure regardless of any interest in 'historical authenticity' it's possible for those who've suffered under oppression to find a game insufferable if it seems hellbent on reminding them how terrible being gay or female was in prior centuries under the patriarchy.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the 'historical accuracy' stuff if there was an option to toggle them off. Given that the entire point of the game is that you can take history in crazy directions by -- say -- re-establishing the Roman Empire, dethroning the Pope and establishing heresy as a dominant religion, or conquering Europe as a Muslim nation, the idea that you could play an a-historical game in which homosexuality was legalized or women were treated as equals in one's kingdom seems relevant and permissible.

[Kim]

So gameplay mechanics that portray the bias and prejudice of that time period are a concern? Those same mechanics that you can ignore or even embrace and that only limit you if you're trying to do a min-maxed playthrough? Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?

If things like sexual orientation are to be inflicted arbitrarily upon the player as a punishment and nothing more, then it would be better for the game to not touch on them at all. It doesn't explore them enough to do the themes justice. Being gay becomes a negative thing.

It's possible to include homosexuality and mistreatment of gay people and be a progressive game. Analogue: A Hate Story actually does that. It also does the same thing for sexism. This works because there are in-game elements that show the bigotry itself as being a bad thing.

No such commentary exists within Crusader Kings II, as far as I know. As a result, the game gains nothing by making homophobia a part of the experience. Because it gains nothing by doing this, it should not have done so.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!

Unrelated note: I am very pleased with Torchlight 2. Its fun value is inversely proportional to Diablo 3's lack thereof. It doesnt try to be anything that it isnt. Torchlight 2 simply takes what it did before and does it even better while addressing the minor issues the first one had.

[Kim]

You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!

Hey, that's at least sideways assholery in Snake's direction.

I have magistrate authority with all regards to Bein' Cool, and making comments to try and get under someone's skin isn't very cool. Snake's not asking everyone to agree with his perspective. I do, but he's not asking people to.

Snake said a game had issues. He explained the issues as he saw them. That the issues he sees are social justice issues does not give people carte blanche to be jerks about it, okay?

[rpgdemon]

I agree with Kim. If the game has nothing to gain by the inclusion, and it doesn't actually accurately reflect history or help inform people about prejudices and biases, then logically, there should be no reason for it to be in the game, and there should be no reason to complain about people questioning it's inclusion.

[Solid Snake]

It's possible to include homosexuality and mistreatment of gay people and be a progressive game. Analogue: A Hate Story actually does that. It also does the same thing for sexism. This works because there are in-game elements that show the bigotry itself as being a bad thing.

Yeah another issue therein is that at no point does CKII actually attempt to communicate to the player that the medieval prejudices and lifestyle generally was ethically awful.

For example, if you're ruling as King, and you have a gay son as heir, you can kill that son and retain positive traits such as 'Kind' or 'Charitable'. (Granted, you can kill your straight sons -- or daughters -- with similar lack of consequences.) Despite the fact that 'events' in which your character is given CYOA-style choices are popularly used in the game, there's no 'event' or 'choice' in which your King character would express any regret or remorse for committing such a horrific crime.

That fundamental disconnect permeates the game. There's no negative consequence for ruling as a homophobic, misogynistic bigot -- and in fact, events conjured in efforts to stimulate 'historical accuracy' include ones where your ruler receives positive benefits (and comparatively few actual consequences) for condoning this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur)

As such, while it's easy to attempt to play through CKII as an enlightened progressive ruling Enlightened Progressiveville -- I once had my gay King exclusively promote other homosexuals into open high-ranking baronies because why not -- it's also easy to imagine that CKII is using 'historical accuracy' as an excuse to cater to the fantasies of privileged white men who wish they could live as a King in medieval times, declare war against Muslim infidels, sleep with all the peasant girls, cultivate 'perfect' heirs with exclusively 'positive' traits, and torture all the prisoners.

I'm so sorry that this discussion has offended your precious sensibilities, by the way. I'll be sure to never mention social justice issues in any context again lest you feel offended, because certainly any offense you might take is far more egregious than the offense a gay person and/or a woman might take in playing a 'historically accurate' game that tells him/her that s/he's subhuman and that they were born with 'negative traits.'

[Ryong]

You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!

Unrelated note: I am very pleased with Torchlight 2. Its fun value is inversely proportional to Diablo 3's lack thereof. It doesnt try to be anything that it isnt. Torchlight 2 simply takes what it did before and does it even better while addressing the minor issues the first one had.

My friends and I ended up getting the 4pack and it's just...Man. I feel like the first game was a prototype and the second game still wasn't all that great. Ot's just highly annoying how every single enemy focuses on dishing out damage and little else - beyond having, say, a shield. The final bosses were significantly easier than any enemy I fought simply because, to balance out their ton of HP, they did less damage than a lot of the enemies I was fighting up to them. It didn't help that, on every character we played, gameplay boiled down to normal attacking, turning on a few buffs every 40 seconds ( which Titan Quest's approach of toggled buffs that reduce your max mana while on did infinitely better ) and having three terrible skills and two situational skills.

Man, I don't know. I always liked Titan Quest and how much variety the game had, now I'm used to it and everything else just feels underwhelming.

On Crusader Kings 2: To be fair, medieval times were pretty bad. It's why artistic license is so common in games that have them for a setting.

[Bells]

what am i missing here if the Crusader Kings II wiki states that the Homosexual Trait only reduces fertility by 15% and nothing else ?

You sure you did your homework on that one?

[Solid Snake]

what am i missing here if the Crusader Kings II wiki states that the Homosexual Trait only reduces fertility by 15% and nothing else ?

You sure you did your homework on that one?

Yes.
Given that I own the game and have ruled with homosexual rulers before, I can assure you of that.

Actually play the game and select a vassal while you have a Homosexual ruler. Check his opinion of you, which is a number that ranges from +100 to -100.
You'll see an "Is Homosexual" penalty that corresponds with a negative number (usually -10 or -15 or so.)
Hence, a negative penalty to diplomacy. Your vassals literally have a worse opinion of their ruler if their ruler is female or gay.

And that penalty to fertility is more than enough of a downside when the game ACTUALLY ENDS if you die and don't have an heir.
(Translation: If you have two sons and the elder is gay while the younger is not, you have a sheer statistical incentive to kill off or disenfranchise the gay heir to increase your odds that your heir will have children and the game will continue.)

EDIT: Check the bottom of this screen here for proof, yo. (http://ckiiwiki.com/Traits)

[Arcanum]

It's kind of disconcerting that the penalty for merely being a homosexual ruler in CKII is actually in most respects more severe than the penalties actual homosexual rulers were likely to face at the time, yes.

Like if we're talking 'true historical accuracy' here, you could be a homosexual ruler and face relatively little consequence unless you flaunted a so-called 'decadent' lifestyle in the face of the church. Most gay rulers, given the power they had access to, were perfectly able to dabble with lovers 'on the side' without facing any significant consequence. In that sense they had far greater latitude than the peasantry.

The real problem with this mechanic in CKII from a 'historical authenticity' perspective is that the mere act of being born homosexual automatically leads to the penalty. There's no conscious decision-making involved where, say, I could accept the penalty for my character if I chose to flaunt a gay relationship publicly in front of religious figures. And the penalty is grossly exaggerated in effect -- if you're ruling a major Kingdom or Empire with lots of vassals, the mere fact that the King is gay and visiting male lovers in secret will result in mass uprisings, even if all his other stats are generally positive. Vassals are prickly in this game.

Yeah okay I can accept that. I haven't played the game, and I don't know how severe this penalty is, so I'll defer to your experience on the matter (since I'm pretty sure every time I see you playing a game on steam it's this game). Also the lack of choice in regards to how you act with the assigned traits is a bit disappointing, but understandable since you would have to include choices for every trait and modifiers based on those choices, and it would bring balance issues due to the increased min-max possibilites, and overall a fuckton of work for the devs.

I was going to mention in my original post that it would be cool if there were traits that affected character penalties (not just for homosexuality) such as "secretive" or "decadent" but I didn't want to get into hypothetical game design of a game I know very little about.

If things like sexual orientation are to be inflicted arbitrarily upon the player as a punishment and nothing more, then it would be better for the game to not touch on them at all. It doesn't explore them enough to do the themes justice. Being gay becomes a negative thing.

It's possible to include homosexuality and mistreatment of gay people and be a progressive game. Analogue: A Hate Story actually does that. It also does the same thing for sexism. This works because there are in-game elements that show the bigotry itself as being a bad thing.

No such commentary exists within Crusader Kings II, as far as I know. As a result, the game gains nothing by making homophobia a part of the experience. Because it gains nothing by doing this, it should not have done so.

I never thought of it as punishment, just as a challenge. Especially in a game with randomly assigned traits. As for the game not exploring the themes, from what I gather CK2 is basically a setting and a strategy simulator. It's not there to explore themes and ideas like a visual novel, that's left up to the player as he or she forges their path through a campaign. The negative stat on being gay can be viewed as punishment and a bad thing, or a challenge and a chance to rise up against oppression. It all depends on the player.

Could it have handled the homophobia better? Based on Snake's analysis, yeah probably. Should it have been left out? I don't think so. Doing so could be seen as ignoring a significant issue, and people would have complained about the lack of homosexuality (because people complain about everything).


-after hitting "preview post" and seeing a bunch more posts-

For example, if you're ruling as King, and you have a gay son as heir, you can kill that son and retain positive traits such as 'Kind' or 'Charitable'. (Granted, you can kill your straight sons -- or daughters -- with similar lack of consequences.) Despite the fact that 'events' in which your character is given CYOA-style choices are popularly used in the game, there's no 'event' or 'choice' in which your King character would express any regret or remorse for committing such a horrific crime.

That fundamental disconnect permeates the game. There's no negative consequence for ruling as a homophobic, misogynistic bigot -- and in fact, events conjured in efforts to stimulate 'historical accuracy' include ones where your ruler receives positive benefits (and comparatively few actual consequences) for condoning this.

As such, while it's easy to attempt to play through CKII as an enlightened progressive ruling Enlightened Progressiveville -- I once had my gay King exclusively promote other homosexuals into open high-ranking baronies because why not -- it's also easy to imagine that CKII is using 'historical accuracy' as an excuse to cater to the fantasies of privileged white men who wish they could live as a King in medieval times, declare war against Muslim infidels, sleep with all the peasant girls, cultivate 'perfect' heirs with exclusively 'positive' traits, and torture all the prisoners.

Ah okay, didn't know it was that bad. I can understand if you secretly assassinate your kids, you don't receive a diplomatic penalty because hey, nobody knows anything, your kid just died of plague or went to visit a relative and never showed up. Still, having the choice to be repentant would be pretty great, and it's disappointing that it wasn't included.

Likewise having traits like "homophobic" and "racist" that lower relations with those people would have been a nice inclusion to show that their actions aren't without consequences. But here I'm getting into hypothetical game design of a game I know very little about so I'll just stop here.

On my simulation comments earlier in this post, in hindsight they are pretty dumb since the game doesn't simulate negative consequences for such negative actions. I will still leave the original comments there because writing all this out and re-reading a bunch of these posts have helped me understand your side of the issue better.

I'm so sorry that this discussion has offended your precious sensibilities, by the way. I'll be sure to never mention social justice issues in any context again lest you feel offended, because certainly any offense you might take is far more egregious than the offense a gay person and/or a woman might take in playing a 'historically accurate' game that tells him/her that s/he's subhuman and that they were born with 'negative traits.'

Is that directed at me? While my original post was based in a lack of understanding of how deep these mechanics ran, it doesn't merit a snide remark like this. Seriously, what the fuck?

[Bells]

Is that directed at me? While my original post was based in a lack of understanding of how deep these mechanics ran, it doesn't merit a snide remark like this. Seriously, what the fuck?

Snake reacts like this

In Which Bells claims he knows more than the guy who's played 400+ hours of CKII

When someone simply asks confirmation on data that he said goes one way, while the (albeit little) research i did, showed something else... so i asked.

But it is ok to react like that... cause he is morally upright, you see?

[Kim]

Snake reacts like this when someone simply asks confirmation on data that he said goes one way, while the (albeit little) research i did, showed something else... so i asked.

Your tone was insulting. "You sure you did your homework on that one?" It isn't the tone of someone asking for clarification. It is the tone of someone certain they are right and rubbing it in.

This fits in with a history of behavior from yourself and others wherein whenever the subject of media and social justice is broached, you make an effort to dismiss or otherwise trivialize the complaints of those taking issue.

In a thread where Snake has already been mockingly called illogical for taking note of this content, he is going to have even less patience for this behavior than normal.

This is exacerbated by similar such behavior in another thread this very day.

A group of people, which include yourself, have been trying his patience and treating him disrespectfully.

I do not believe you honestly expected any other result.

If you expect Snake to treat you with respect, you ought first treat him and the things he says with more respect than you have been. This goes out to all of you.

[Solid Snake]

I wasn't the slightest bit snarky when I was made the original post you all responded to, which merely elucidated that Crusader Kings II (a game I like, by the way, and one I'm usually more eager to defend) is saddled with a fair share of issues related to social justice concerns that might caution against its purchase.

Y'all then proceeded to react with:

Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?

I'm pretty sure that by that definition Civilization is also "socially unjust"

...And even after you expressed this initial round of, yes, holier-than-thou know-it-all bona fide snarkiness in response to my otherwise innocuous attempt to inform, I graciously proceeded to try to explain the specific substantive issues in a post or two without delving into name-calling.

Instead, y'all proceeded to attempt to prove me wrong and/or lecture me, with a continued flippant tone:

You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!

You sure you did your homework on that one?

Yes, Bells, that last comment of yours I quoted was snarky and sarcastic and self-indulgent and uses wording that is at best completely unnecessary and at worst utterly dismissive.

Yes, I'm sure I "did my homework" on that one.
And yes, by the time we had gotten that far -- by the time I had already elucidated in three separate posts my line of reasoning -- I finally gave in to temptation and decided to inject some snark because you were already tossing out your zingers at me for daring to suggest that a game I actually LIKE has genuine issues.

And no, I shouldn't have to justify every attempt I make to preface recommendations for videogames with a social-justice related disclaimer.
This is the kind of attitude and behavior that makes talking about issues like sexism and homophobia utterly impossible here at NPF.

[Marc v4.0]

Snake reacts like this



When someone simply asks confirmation on data that he said goes one way, while the (albeit little) research i did, showed something else... so i asked.

But it is ok to react like that... cause he is morally upright, you see?

You didn't "simply ask" Bells, you directly challenged in a manner that tried to cast doubt or suspicion on the veracity of his knowledge.

what am i missing here if the Crusader Kings II wiki states that the Homosexual Trait only reduces fertility by 15% and nothing else ?

That is simply asking.

You sure you did your homework on that one?

That is being condescendingly snide and then turning around and acting the morally better better person because you 'did nothing wrong'.

We can all read here, we didn't miss it.

E:FB

[Solid Snake]

Is that directed at me? While my original post was based in a lack of understanding of how deep these mechanics ran, it doesn't merit a snide remark like this. Seriously, what the fuck?

For clarification's sake: No.
That was directed at Skweeb.
I did lose my cool there. I felt Skweeb's comment crossed a line.
The previous post I wrote -- one where I didn't lose my cool -- was one that directly quoted and responded to you. I'm not even sure if you commented after that (I don't think you did, at least not until now.)

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Look, you're givin me too much credit for tryin to stir up shit. I agree that the mechanics of some aspects of the game are silly and illogical, and frankly downright stupid in execution. Trying to make sense why they made it so is the illogical part i was alluding to.

If i really wanted to stir up shit i'd say something like "all we need now is someone to bring up entitlement so i can claim social justice bingo!"

So, if what i said is soooo offensive, then i apologize on that one.

[Solid Snake]

Look, you're givin me too much credit for tryin to stir up shit. I agree that the mechanics of some aspects of the game are silly and illogical, and frankly downright stupid in execution. Trying to make sense why they made it so is the illogical part i was alluding to.

I am about 99.9% certain that Paradox's team had conversations about every trait they put in the game, how those traits would correlate and intertwine, and how best to balance their gameplay while retaining a semblance of historical authenticity. So no, I don't buy that their usage of homosexuality as a negative trait was "silly and illogical." I think if you'd ask a Paradox designer they'd come up with a litany of historical reasons -- mostly regarding past persecution of homosexuals -- to justify its inclusion.
They'd be wrong, but there are reasons why they were wrong in their approach that can be perceived and understood.

Any 'illogical stupidity' from Paradox in their game doesn't immunize the product from criticism, for that matter.

I don't buy your explanation that you weren't trying to start controversy, by the way. Even your half-assed attempt at an 'apology' right there is offensive.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Christ this shit's gettin ridiculous, i'm out. Take the half-assed attempt or not, I dont particularly care either way 'cause that's all that is going to be given.

[POS Industries]

Please return to the topic of outrageous holiday deals on video games.

If you want to continue discussing the problematic nature of Crusader Kings II: Bigotry Boogaloo, you may feel free to make a thread for that if you are able to remain respectful and reasonable in the process.

[Ramary]

Will do sir.


Anyone intrested in Castle Crashers? I remember kinda liking it on the xbox and might get a 4 pack to keep making people feel indebted to me.

[Kim]

Comrades! I hear of a place beyond the Great Valve Wall! A land where deals are in abundance, not just one day or two but all year round! Let us raise our banners! Let us shout our battle cry! Tonight the wall falls! Tonight... Tonight we know freedom.

[BB]

Today is the last sale day (although, possibly, there's one more round of flash sales to come), so it's time to hoover up all the things you haven't bought yet in case they went on a daily deal.

Also, Bastion's on flash sale right now. You won't spend a better $4.

[Doc ock rokc]

Will do sir.


Anyone intrested in Castle Crashers? I remember kinda liking it on the xbox and might get a 4 pack to keep making people feel indebted to me.

alright If you want to give me CC i'll play with you

Seeing that I have no money anyway.

[Arcanum]

Will do sir.


Anyone intrested in Castle Crashers? I remember kinda liking it on the xbox and might get a 4 pack to keep making people feel indebted to me.

It's a pretty darn fun sidescrolling beat-em-up and you can even forsake the "beat-em-up" part and specialize entirely into spells.

So count me in on that 4 pack if you get it. I'll even toss $3.75 (15/4=that) your way (or get you a game that's at that price).

[synkr0nized]

Look, you're givin me too much credit for tryin to stir up shit. I agree that the mechanics of some aspects of the game are silly and illogical, and frankly downright stupid in execution. Trying to make sense why they made it so is the illogical part i was alluding to.

If i really wanted to stir up shit i'd say something like "all we need now is someone to bring up entitlement so i can claim social justice bingo!"

So, if what i said is soooo offensive, then i apologize on that one.

I should think now, especially since multiple readers of this thread have pointed it out, you should be able to see the difference between continuing a discussion while "alluding" to opinions on poor mechanics and just being sarcastic about someone else's response in the thread.

Let's all be a bit more mature, as PoS has asked.

[Ramary]

It's a pretty darn fun sidescrolling beat-em-up and you can even forsake the "beat-em-up" part and specialize entirely into spells.

So count me in on that 4 pack if you get it. I'll even toss $3.75 (15/4=that) your way (or get you a game that's at that price).

Don't forget Hotline Miami. Might ask ya for a 7 something game then we be even in my book.

[Arcanum]

Don't forget Hotline Miami. Might ask ya for a 7 something game then we be even in my book.

Hey that was a gift! Freely given from the good of your heartahahahaha okay yeah I can't say that with a straight face. Anyway, yeah that's fine with me.

[Ramary]

Still need one more for castle crashing though. I swear I won't demand you to pay me back in organs.




yet.....

[synkr0nized]

I already have it on Xbox Live, and my interest in it didn't last past beating it once.

It is still fun to play with friends, though, so hopefully that doesn't sound too discouraging.

[Revising Ocelot]

Tonight... Tonight we know freedom.

More like parole. Less than a month until the next sale, insert evil laughter of choice here.


I expect damage reports when all this is done. I'm saving at least three purchases for Christmas, was going to be two but Dark Souls didn't pop up. And I still need to steal a 360 controller for that, anyway.

[Ramary]

Dark souls was 20 bucks on amazon a few weeks ago.


It is an okay price right now if you are interested, it is basically a steam code. (http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Souls-Prepare-Edition-Online/dp/B00917DBUE)

[Bells]

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• The Darkness 2 (PC Download) is $11.25
• Quantum Conundrum (PC Download) is $11.25
• Worms Revolution (PC Download) is $10.12
• Max Payne 3: Hostage Negotiation Pack (PC DLC) is $7.50
• Awesomenauts (PC Download) is $7.50
• Death Rally (PC Download) is $7.50
• Fallout: New Vegas (PC Download) is $7.50
• Men of War: Red Tide (PC Download) is $7.50
• NecroVisioN: Lost Company (PC Download) is $7.50
• Nexuiz (PC Download) is $7.50
• Port Royale 3 (PC Download) is $7.50
• Scarygirl (PC Download) is $7.50
• The Lord of the Rings: War in the North (PC Download) is $7.50
• Sine Mora (PC Download) is $7.50
• Sonic Adventure 2 (PC Download) is $6.72
• Men of War (PC Download) is $5.62
• Tropico 4 (PC Download) is $5.62
• Bastion (PC Download) is $5.62
• Hitman: Blood Money (PC Download) is $4.50
• Drip Drip (PC Download) is $3.75
• Hard Reset (PC Download) is $3.75
• Galaxy on Fire 2 Full HD (PC Download) is $3.75
• Anna (PC Download) is $3.75
• Sleeping Dogs: Nightmare in North Point (PC DLC) is $3.75
• XCOM: Enemy Unknown - Elite Soldier Pack (PC DLC) is $3.75
• Hitman: Codename 47 (PC Download) is $3
• The Journey Down: Chapter One (PC Download) is $2.97
• Death Road (PC Download) is $2.81
• Cargo Commander (PC Download) is $2.55
• Bang Bang Racing (PC Download) is $1.87
• Skydrift (PC Download) is $1.87
• Gear Grinder (PC Download) is $1.50
• Port Royale 3: Harbour Master (PC DLC) is $1.12
• Naval War Arctic Circle: Operation Tarnhelm is $3.75

Origin has many best-of-the-web prices across multiple platforms. Also free shipping on orders over $39.99. Otherwise it's $2.50.
• Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 Limited Edition (Xbox 360) is $29.99
• Battlefield 3 Premium Edition (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $29.99. Shipping is $2.50 for the 360 and PS3 version.
• Madden NFL 13 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $29.99
• Madden NFL 13 (Wii) is $24.99
• Madden NFL 13 (Vita) is $19.99
• FIFA Soccer 13 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $29.99
• FIFA Soccer 13 (PS Vita) is $19.99
• Battlefield 3 (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $19.99
• Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $19.99
• Need for Speed: Most Wanted 2012 (PS Vita) is $19.99
• Syndicate (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $14.99
• Dead Space 2 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $9.99
• Medal of Honor (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $9.99
• Alice: Madness Returns (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $9.99
• The Sims 3 Pets (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Army of Two: The 40th Day (Xbox 360) is $9.99

Origin PC downloads are surprisingly beating more popular digital distributors. Someone in their marketing department deserves a thanks for this aggressive Cyber Monday pricing. Medal of Honor Warfighter hit a new low by $15 and The Sims 3: Supernatural is cheapest ever by $10.
• Medal of Honor Warfighter Limited Edition (PC Download) is $29.99
• Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 (PC Download) is $24.99
• Command & Conquer The Ultimate Edition (PC Download) is $24.99
• Sniper Elite V2 (PC Download) is $24.99
• Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City (PC Download) is $24.99
• The Sims 3 Pets (PC Download) is $19.99
• The Sims 3 Seasons (PC Download) is $19.99
• The Sims 3: Supernatural (PC Download) is $19.99
• FIFA Manager 13 (PC Download) is $19.99
• Deep Black Reloaded (PC Download) is $14.99
• Dead Rising 2: Off the Record (PC Download) is $14.99
• The Walking Dead Game (PC Download) is $12.49
• Ravaged (PC Download) is $12.49
• Bulletstorm (PC Download) is $9.99
• Darksiders (PC Download) is $9.99
• Afterfall: InSanity (PC Download) is $9.99
• Battlefield Bad Company 2 (PC Download) is $9.99
• Battlefield 2 Complete Collection (PC Download) is $9.99
• F.E.A.R. 3 (PC Download) is $9.99
• Mirror's Edge (PC Download) is $9.99
• Dead Space (PC Download) is $9.99
• Dead Island Game of the Year Edition (PC Download) is $9.99
• Battlefield 2142 Deluxe Edition (PC Download) is $7.49
• To The Moon (PC Download) is $5.99
• Mercenaries 2: World in Flames (PC Download) is $4.99
• Shank (PC Download) is $4.99
• Symphony (PC Download) is $4.99
• Kung Fu Strike: The Warrior's Rise (PC Download) is $4.99
• Hoodwink (PC Download) is $4.99
• All Zombies Must Die (PC Download) is $4.99
• Choplifter HD (PC Download) is $4.99
• Warp (PC Download) is $4.99
• Gatling Gears (PC Download) is $4.99
• Bust-N-Rush: Double Bust Bundle (PC Download) is $3.99
• Squids (PC Download) is $3.49
• Bunch Of Heroes (PC Download) is $2.49

Best Buy sold through most of their best console game deals this weekend, like usual. . A few remaining gems listed below, including Medal of Honor: Warfighter inching another dollar lower after already beating Dell's Friday $40 "doorbuster deal" by $10.
• Nintendo 3DS XL Red/Black is $179.99
• Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $29.99
• Medal of Honor: Warfighter Limited Edition (Xbox 360, PS3) is $28.99
• Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault (PS3) is $19.99
• Kid Icarus: Uprising (Nintendo 3DS) is $19.99
• Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo 3DS) is $19.99
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo 3DS) is $19.99
• uDraw GameTablet with uDraw Studio (Xbox 360, Wii) is $12.99

Walmart has lots of gaming deals in their Cyber sale, and they offer free shipping to your local Fedex in addition to free store pickup. And a pretty solid deal on the Xbox 360 4GB bundle with Skylanders Starter Kit.
• Xbox 360 4GB Console w/ Skylanders Starter Kit & Exclusive Gill Grunt Character is $159
• Borderlands 2 (Xbox 360) is $30
• Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (PS3) is $15
• Ratchet and Clank HD Collection (PS3) is $15
• L.A. Noire (Xbox 360, PS3) is $10
• Gran Turismo 5 XL Edition (PS3) is $10
• PS3 Slim 250GB Console with Uncharted 1 & 2 and Infamous 1 & 2 + FREE bonus game and dreamGEAR 2-in-1 Charge 'n Chat Pack is $219

GamersGate has four notable deals, with two popular downloads dropping to $5 and $7.50.
• War Of The Roses (PC Download) is $15
• Victoria Collection (PC Download) is $14.99
• Total War Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai (PC Download) is $7.49
• Deus Ex: Human Revolution (PC Download) is $4.99

Microsoft Store shifted hard into the $10 and $15 gear after their big Black Friday sale on new titles for $25 sold out quickly. Now you can grab Gears of War 3 for $10 and they have a couple decent 360 + Kinect bundles still available.
• Forza Horizon (Xbox 360) is $14.99
• Fable: The Journey (Xbox 360) is $14.99
• Kinect Sports Ultimate Collection (Xbox 360) is $14.99
• Binary Domain (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Rage (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Inversion (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• MotionSports: Adrenaline (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Gears of War Triple Pack (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Gears of War 3 (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• MLB 2K12 (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Operation Flashpoint: Red River (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Big League Sports (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Quake 4 (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Portal 2 (PC) is $9.99
• The Secret World (PC) is $9.99
• Batman: Arkham City (PC) is $9.99
• Assassin's Creed Revelations (PC) is $9.99
• Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition (PC) is $9.99
• Star Wars: The Old Republic (PC) is $9.99
• Rift (PC) is $9.99
• Xbox 360 4GB Console and Kinect Bundle with Kinect Sports, Kinect Joy Ride and 320GB Media Drive is $349.99
• Xbox 360 4GB Console and Kinect Bundle with Kinect Sports and Kinect Joy Ride is $249.99

NewEgg isn't exactly leading the pack in gaming deals this Cyber Monday, but they do have the best price on Dishonored.
• Dishonored (PS3, Xbox 360) is $24.99
• Shadows of the Damned (PS3) is $9.99
• Warhammer 40k: Space Marine (PC) is $7.99

TigerDirect has a great deal on Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Xbox 360, PC) for $39.99 if you don't mind dealing with mail in rebates.

Target
• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $25

Steam Autumn Sale ends today. Notable titles: Dishonored/em> $29.99, Torchlight II $9.99, Borderlands 2 $29.99, and Orc's Must Die $3.74.

Amazon had some great 360/PS3 deals over the Cyber weekend but they sold out of many titles. A few price drops remain but their strongest sales are the ridiculously cheap PC Download bundles.
• XCOM Enemy Unknown (PS3) is $25
• Record of Agarest War 2 Limited Edition (PS3) is $29.99
• NBA 2K13 (PC Download) is $22.49
• Civilization V Game of The Year Edition + Civilization V: Gods and Kings (PC Download) is $19.99
• Sleeping Dogs (PC Download) is $19.99
• Max Payne 3 + Season Pass (PC Download) is $19.99
• Grand Theft Auto IV: Complete + La Noire Complete + GTA San Andreas (PC Download) is $14.99
• Majesty Bundle (PC Download) is $9.99
• Plentiful Paradox Package (PC Download) is $9.99
• Batman: Arkham City + $5 Amazon Credit (PC Download) is $7.50
• Total War: Shogun 2 (PC Download) is $7.49
• Paradox War Chest (PC Download) is $7.49
• Batman Arkham Asylum Game of the Year Edition + $5 Amazon Gaming Credit (PC Download) is $5
• Bioshock Dual Pack - Steam Version (PC Download) is $4.99
• Dungeon Siege 3 (PC Download) is $4.99
• Worms Reloaded: Game of the Year Edition + $5 Amazon Gaming Credit (PC Download) is $4.99

Cyber Monday Deals on everywhere else! It's the final countdown! GET YOUR CRACK!


BY THE WAY

http://www.gamefly.com/Download-Spec-Ops-The-Line/5004056/#axzz2DNOLRa8e

SPEC Op the Line - UNDER $8 FRIGGIN BUCKS!!

[Arcanum]

I was waiting for the last round of flash sales to see if spec-op dropped any further, but this saves me the waiting time. Thanks Bells!

[akaSM]

If no one has taken the 4th slot of the castle crashing game, I'm in.

[mauve]

Okay kids, the sale is over; wallets everywhere breathe a collective sigh of relief. They are safe--FOR NOW.

Time to post your damages from Steam Autumn Sale 2012.

I ended up with:

To The Moon
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 1&2
Batman Arkham City DLC: Harley Quinn's Revenge

And I got Orcs Must Die 2! as a gift.

Total cost= just under $20

[BB]

I got away mostly unscathed- didn't buy anything until the last day to mop up some of the unlisted deals. (This is only because Ys Origin didn't get a higher discount than 50%- in which case I would have bought it with fury)

Damage report:

The EXceed collection, 3 bullet hell shooters
Puzzle Quest which I've wanted ever since someone posted the demo on this very forum many years ago
Toki Tori because it was cheaper than eating so why not

Just under a month to wait until the next one. Definitely getting Ys then.

[Loyal]

Civ 5: Gods and Kings
Castle Crashers

Honestly there really wasn't a lot that interested me in this sale.

[Solid Snake]

My bounty:

XCOM: Enemy Unknown
To The Moon
Psychonauts
Analogue: A Hate Story
Medieval II: Total War (technically I've owned that title already and have for years, but my discs were getting rusty, it was on sale, and I'm gradually digitizing my game collection as sales become available)

It took everything I had to resist Batman: Arkham City and Spec Ops: The Line, but I'd prefer to own those titles on console. I tend to prefer action-adventure and FPS titles that feel better with controllers on the PS3, particularly if graphics aren't a selling point.

I'm glad I waited about a month for XCOM. Doing so basically freed up the amount of cash I just used for all the games I got in addition to XCOM. God bless you, Steam.

[Ramary]

The Walking Dead
KOTOR 2
Cave Story
AOE3
Serious Sam 3 DLC
Max Payne 1 and 2
To the Moon
Hotline Miami
McPixel
Dragon age origins
The basement collection
Orcs must die 2
Analouge: A hate story
Half Minute Hero
Castle Crashers

And I gave
Toki Tori
Puzzle Quest
eXceed
SANIC
3 copies of Castle Crashers
Orcs Must Die 2
and Hotline Miami
To people as gifts.


So a usual sale for me.

[Kim]

Only thing I got that I didn't have before was the Analogue soundtrack.

[akaSM]

I got SANIC and Castle Crashers.

FOR FREE!

ORISIT?

[Aldurin]

I got SANIC and Castle Crashers.

FOR FREE!

ORISIT?

Depends on which Sanic, but since people have been smart enough to not make a PC port of the-sonic-game-we-shall-not-acknowledge, the toll on your soul will be minimal.

[Flarecobra]

DiRT: Showdown (It's demo derby modes are just too fun.)

Scribblenauts: Unlimited (Gifted)

[Arcanum]

MTG: 2013 (and expansion)
Deadlight (kind of regret this one. Game was short, controls were sluggish, minimal replay value, story is kind of meh)
Space Pirates And Zombies
Orcs Must Die 2 Complete
Spec-Ops: The Line (got it through Gamefly courtesy of Bells' post, and saved even more)

Hotline Miami
Castle Crashers
^These last two I got from Ramary, and I got him Iron Brigade.

[Melfice]

Farming Simulator 2013 (and it's surprisingly fun too! If you just want to relax after mercilessly murdering mofos online, play this.)
Amnesia: The Dark Descent (And I still hate myself for buying it. Haven't seen anything really scary yet, and I'm already hesitant of playing it again. XD )
Crusader Kings II
The Walking Dead

Not too bad.

[DarkDrgon]

Awesomenauts 3 pack
Sonic Generations
Crusader Kings 2
Shogun: Total War

not too bad, I also tried to play Planetside 2 and my computer nearly caught fire

[Solid Snake]

Yyyyyeeeesssss people to play CKII with

[Revising Ocelot]

Darksiders 2
Borderlands 1 DLC

Mostly restrained myself for the winter sale. Somehow.



(Let's see, Dark Souls, Dishonored, XCOM, Hotline Miami... maybe AssCreed 3 if that ever goes on UK Steam and it goes on discount, but neither will probably happen. Also musn't forget impulse buys! Damned impulse buys. Impulse bought the Witcher 1&2 LAST Christmas and still haven't got around to playing them yet)

[DarkDrgon]

Yyyyyeeeesssss people to play CKII with

yeah... im about 3 hours in and have no idea what I'm doing. at all. I did the tutorials and read the begginers intro on the wiki, but there was NO help

[rpgdemon]

Oh, by the way, I have an idea for you people who are addicted to buying games at discount prices:

Buy them as gifts. That way, if you DON'T play them, you can "cash out", as it were in trading.