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Solid Snake
11-24-2012, 11:08 PM
Just bought a PS Vita (if you want to know why, just note that I appear to have very little willpower (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=42334). I've been conflicted over it even after the purchase, and whether it's a sign of maturation that I'm willing to accept imperfection for the sake of my own sanity, or whether it's a sign of capitulation and submission to temptation.)

But! Rather than concentrate on that bag of worms, I figure now's a great time to actually purchase some PSP games that I've missed out on over the years because I've never owned a PSP. And, apparently a lot of PSP games are available for download onto the Vita.

The obvious contender right now for an immediate download is Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together, though I'm not sure if it's available for Vita, but if it is, I am purchasing that shit immediately (despite any passing resemblance to FFT, an objectively respectable game I'm actually not as fond of as you probably are.)

Any others you'd recommend? Remember my preferences: JRPGs, JRPGs, JRPGs, the occasional action-adventure title or strategy game, and JRPGs.

Arcanum
11-24-2012, 11:19 PM
Patapon. Pata-pata-pata-pon.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-24-2012, 11:23 PM
Disgaea 1
Disgaea 2
Wild Arms XF


As for the Vita. Awesome News, Bandai Namco now WANTS to release tales games here.

So there's Tales of Innocence R and Tales of Hearts R to look forward to. in the later years.

Also You should definately pick up P4 Golden. It's a pretty rad updated port with so much new content and quests/Social Links added that it's almost an remake.

Aldurin
11-24-2012, 11:30 PM
First off I don't recommend the Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter games made specifically for PSP (outsourcing to a different developer means you might as well set your franchise on fire).

Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky is a very interesting JRPG that shakes up a lot of the classic turn-based system and has so much style to it.

Most everything else I play and like has showed up already, but keep an eye out since they're adding more and more PSP games and with cross-play more and more PS3 releases will have a PSV version.

Solid Snake
11-24-2012, 11:30 PM
Also You should definately pick up P4 Golden. It's a pretty rad updated port with so much new content and quests/Social Links added that it's almost an remake.

I'm torn between a desire to contradict your assertion that the updated content is "rad," and a defeatist acknowledgment that P4G is, as implied (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=42334) in past commentary, (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1216901&postcount=1) the reason I did in fact purchase the Vita today.

Arcanum
11-24-2012, 11:34 PM
Also You should definately pick up P4 Golden. It's a pretty rad updated port with so much new content and quests/Social Links added that it's almost an remake.

Honestly started laughing out loud because of how heavily Snake implied that's the main reason he got a Vita, and how he's gone on record that the added content is not something he is looking forward to.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-24-2012, 11:37 PM
Ah my mistake then.

Solid Snake
11-24-2012, 11:41 PM
Honestly started laughing out loud because of how heavily Snake implied that's the main reason he got a Vita, and how he's gone on record that the added content is not something he is looking forward to.

I basically bought a Vita for the sole purpose of reliving the PS2 version of P4, and the moment the game goes horribly 'off-script' I'll close my eyes, whistle a tune and pretend the new content was non-canonical rubbish written by a fanfic author that slipped under Atlus' radar.

Honestly I actually have been looking forward to getting access to all these PSP games though. I probably was going to buy a Vita in 2013 anyway, P4G just expedited things.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 12:02 AM
Techically it's not cannon anyway. It's just there to help make the game feel more then just a port of a game you can get off amazon for $10+ instead of paying $40+ to play it on a small screen (assuming you don't have the TV cables).

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 12:12 AM
Techically it's not cannon anyway.

Oh, it's totally canon, from an objective perspective. Atlus wrote the new scenes and they intend the new scenes to be "real" events that occurred to the main character during his time in Inaba.
...I just choose to ignore all of that because I'd rather not be sorely tempted to buy a plane ticket to Japan just to punch a wall in Atlus' office building.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 12:16 AM
Okay could you please explain what's wrong with the EX parts of P4G.

So I can understand what's wrong.

Last I check there don't seem to be any plans to make a P5. And hopefully it'll stay that way. Persona really doesn't need a 5th game.

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 12:20 AM
Okay could you please explain what's wrong with the EX parts of P4G.

So I can understand what's wrong.

A lot of it's buried in this thread. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=41907&highlight=Atlus)

Though it is worth noting there were a lot of scenes that were just shitty in the original P4 (most notably the Inaba Beauty Pageant stuff.)
So the Anime, Arena and Golden's descent into the abyss was essentially foretold.

...Still, P4 was just progressive enough compared to most other games that you wanted to believe they were trying, until Atlus decided to just prove they weren't trying at all.

Also: I've heard the exact opposite about P5. I thought it sounded like it was going to happen.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 12:21 AM
In that case, nevermind, I've already read it.

Whelp so much for P4G being good. Also that's even more reason why P5 should never happpen. period.

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 12:25 AM
I remember the exact moment everything went to existential hell for me regarding P4, and it was episode seven of Persona 4: The Anime.

Seriously.
That is when P4 officially died.
And now I'm just a necrophiliac, playing with its corpse.

EVILNess
11-25-2012, 12:26 AM
Recommendations HO!:

Tactics Ogre, is in fact available for the Vita. Get that shit.

Persona 3 Portable. It will go great with P4G.

Final Fantasy 4 Complete Collection. The definitive edition of the game, hands down.

The 3rd Birthday. Without spoiling any plot it's Aya Brea: Time Cop. If you haven't played Parasite Eve 1 or 2 and don't know who Aya Brea is then you should get on that as well.

Mega Man Maverick Hunter X and/or Megaman Powered Up, because fuck yeah Megaman!

OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS I AM NOT SURE IS FOR THE VITA:

Persona and Persona 2: Innocent Sin. The first game is kinda hard to go back and play, but it is neat to see where the game series originated from. Innocent Sin is MUCH better though.

Powerstone. YES, AWESOME FIGHTING GAME FROM THE DREAMCAST. YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT Powerstone IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME. IT IS THAT DOPE.

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 12:28 AM
Recommendations HO!:

Tactics Ogre, is in fact available for the Vita. Get that shit.

YES

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 12:31 AM
Son, MMMHX is a required title that all PSP/Vita owners must own. No is not an option.

Arcanum
11-25-2012, 12:33 AM
...I just choose to ignore all of that because I'd rather not be sorely tempted to buy a plane ticket to Japan just to punch a wall in Atlus' office building.

Don't worry, you won't have to fly there. I know a guy. (http://youtu.be/TfLcC1o85bo)

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 12:35 AM
It's gonna take more then the coolaid man to take down the evil Atlus Corperation.

I remember the exact moment everything went to existential hell for me regarding P4, and it was episode seven of Persona 4: The Anime.

Seriously.
That is when P4 officially died.
And now I'm just a necrophiliac, playing with its corpse.

You mean that's when Persona died. Atleast for me, I have no plans of touching this series with a ten foot pole.

Grandmaster_Skweeb
11-25-2012, 12:54 AM
Monster hunter! MONSTER HUNTER!

Only reason to ever buy an overpriced paperweight with a screen is for M-m-m-monstah huntah! Kill things solely to wear bits of their carcass to kill more things better to wear their bits! The fashionable side of mindless recreational slaughter!

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 02:14 AM
Crisis Core isn't available for Vita?
...I'm not sure whether I should be disappointed or grateful Square-Enix is sparing me from the inevitable disappointment of a crappy sequel.

(Going to exploit the hell out of the back door workaround to get Valkyria Chronicles 2, though)

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 02:18 AM
You mean Prequel. CC is a retelling of FF7 Zack's back story.

Aldurin
11-25-2012, 02:41 AM
Recommendations HO!:

Mega Man Maverick Hunter X . . . because fuck yeah Megaman!

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee96/LazyLobstar/OBJECTION.gif

Don't do that at all, Maverick Hunter X is the bastardized clone of Megaman X. If you still insist then I demand you watch the Sequelitis episode on Megaman, play the Maverick Hunter version, then cry.

Kim
11-25-2012, 02:57 AM
Disgaea 2 is pretty dope if you can get that.

EVILNess
11-25-2012, 04:32 AM
Don't do that at all, Maverick Hunter X is the bastardized clone of Megaman X. If you still insist then I demand you watch the Sequelitis episode on Megaman, play the Maverick Hunter version, then cry.

Have you played MHX? Cause its really fucking good.

It's the same exact game with new graphics. The power ups are in the same place, the enemies are the same, the bosses are the same. The controls are just as tight and responsive as on the SNES.

It is literally the same exact experience with a shiny new fully voiced coat of paint.

The only real downside is the fact that X calls out attacks when he uses a Maverick weapon. That does kind of get annoying.

The game has two amazing things going for it though. Hard mode and Vile Mode.

I heartily and readily recommend MMMHX on the PSP.

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 02:02 PM
I'm taking a good hard look at Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky.
Also Monster Hunter: Freedom Unite.
Patapon and Patapon II, too.

For those of you who've played Dissidia and its sequel: Is there any reason whatsoever to pick up both titles? I figure if the sequel has the exact same character lineup (only more to choose from), it'd be worthless to get the original.

Kim
11-25-2012, 03:52 PM
Advanced warning: Legend of Heroes is homophobic.

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 04:20 PM
Advanced warning: Legend of Heroes is homophobic.

Wwwwhhhhhyyyyy

Locke cole
11-25-2012, 05:58 PM
I'm taking a good hard look at Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky.
Also Monster Hunter: Freedom Unite.
Patapon and Patapon II, too.

For those of you who've played Dissidia and its sequel: Is there any reason whatsoever to pick up both titles? I figure if the sequel has the exact same character lineup (only more to choose from), it'd be worthless to get the original.

Not only does Duodecim have the same character lineup, it contains the first game's story mode.

That's not the only thing there is to it. There are some other differences between the game (balance changes, some game modes dropped in favor of replacements, a different extra-hard extra story compared to the extra-hard extra story int he first game, etc.), but in terms of number of characters and story modes, Duodecim is absolutely the superior choice. There are also new stages, more music and costumes, and new moves for most of the characters.

If you're into Kingdom Hearts or Castlevania, I'd suggest Birth By Sleep and Dracula X Chronicles, respecively. BBS introduced the best fighting system in the series, and DXC is a great port of Rondo of Blood, and contains a newly-translated Symphony of the Night as a bonus.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 08:25 PM
Not only does Duodecim have the same character lineup, it contains the first game's story mode.

That's not the only thing there is to it. There are some other differences between the game (balance changes, some game modes dropped in favor of replacements, a different extra-hard extra story compared to the extra-hard extra story int he first game, etc.), but in terms of number of characters and story modes, Duodecim is absolutely the superior choice. There are also new stages, more music and costumes, and new moves for most of the characters.

If you're into Kingdom Hearts or Castlevania, I'd suggest Birth By Sleep and Dracula X Chronicles, respecively. BBS introduced the best fighting system in the series, and DXC is a great port of Rondo of Blood, and contains a newly-translated Symphony of the Night as a bonus.

Plus it also has the Original "Rondo of Blood".

I'm taking a good hard look at Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky.
Also Monster Hunter: Freedom Unite.
Patapon and Patapon II, too.

For those of you who've played Dissidia and its sequel: Is there any reason whatsoever to pick up both titles? I figure if the sequel has the exact same character lineup (only more to choose from), it'd be worthless to get the original.

The first one is okay but still fun if your okay with the whole "Air Battles" thing it has going for it. The Prequel improves the battle system.

Aside from new characters and some chracters playing different. It really comes down to rather or not you care about the story. 012 is a Prequel by the way. It takes place before the first game.

EDIT: Never mind, 012 is the better choice seeing as it does still have the first game's story mode along side its own.

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 08:42 PM
...Does anyone here happen to be familiar with the new PS Store?
...Because fuck my life, I can't figure out the new PS Store.

EDIT:
Not only does Duodecim have the same character lineup, it contains the first game's story mode.

...Wow, I can't believe Square-Enix would shoot down any chance of selling the older title once the newer one was released like that.
...Good for me, though.

Locke cole
11-25-2012, 08:54 PM
Yeah, pretty much the only reasons to have the first game is if you really miss the original Colosseum mode (explaining would take a while, but I'll do so if you want), Inward Chaos extra story (lots of top-level enemies followed by the hardest Chaos fight in the game, replaced by the "Confessions of the Creator" extra story in Duodecim), or completely broken EX Mode system (rebalanced in Duodecim by dropping the strength of EX Force, and adding the Assist character system alongside it and basically making accessories that boost one hurt the other)

...I really should get around to selling my copy of the first game back to a store or on Amazon or something. There's really not enough in he firs game to make me want to keep playing it, although the ability to make indefinite EX Mode builds was kinda fun.

edit:

And yeah, the new story in Duodecim is a prequel mostly revolving around the new fighters added to the game (Most specifically, Lightning, Vaan, Tifa, Kain, Yuna, Laguna. Prishe and Gilgamesh show up... elsewhere). It sort of leads into the first game's story afterward.

There are also small playable snippets in the extra "Reports" that are essentially anecdotal scenes that take place at various points in the story.

Solid Snake
11-25-2012, 09:54 PM
Goddamn it, the new PSN store doesn't appear to keep track of content you've actually already purchased like the old one did.

...You'd think it's such an inconsequential thing, but I've spent the last couple years buying tons of downloadable content and I've never bothered to write down what I've purchased in an independent record because PSN seemed to keep track for me.

Sorry, I'm just going to rant and rave over this issue because it infuriates me and I am infuriated.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-25-2012, 09:58 PM
I have not updated (nor touched) my PS3 and quite a while. And now I'm not sure I want to.

Least not till I learn more about the "changes" made to PSN.

Ryong
11-25-2012, 10:09 PM
I'll suggest Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky, Tactics Ogre and BlazBlue Continuum Shift 2, although Chrono Phantasma may be coming out soon. suggest against Monster Hunter: Freedom Unite because it's basically stupid hitboxes the game and suggest Lumines 1 or 2, because they're fucking great. Also, I heard nothing but good things about Ragnarok Odyssey, you might want to give that a try.

greed
11-26-2012, 02:01 AM
Yeah the new PSN store sucks syphilitic horse cock. It's style over substance to such a degree Apple would blush.


The 3rd Birthday. Without spoiling any plot it's Aya Brea: Time Cop. If you haven't played Parasite Eve 1 or 2 and don't know who Aya Brea is then you should get on that as well.





Snake, you may want to ignore this and just not look into 3rd Birthday, it will likely just depress you. Seriously don't look it up, just try and forget it exists. If you thought P4G's extra content was bad.......

Locke cole
11-26-2012, 02:17 AM
Is it still possible to get the Aya Brea costume for Lightning in Duodecim?

EVILNess
11-26-2012, 05:39 AM
Is it still possible to get the Aya Brea costume for Lightning in Duodecim?

I think if only if you get a new physical copy of 3rd Birthday, which isn't a bad game you know. It's an average 3rd person shooter that controls pretty well despite the lack of a second analog stick on the psp, and the only justified hate I have ever heard about the game is Aya's chickification (Which has a justified story reason) and the fact that you have to read a lot to get the full story from the game when you change the past (Who and who is dead now is a big thing that changes.) (The clothing damage thing is a bit sexist, but I'm more taking about gameplay and story here. That is another can of worms.)

There is a Lightning costume for Aya as well from Duodecim.

I actually have an unused card for the costume (I also have the extra costume for Cecil from FF4 Complete Collection) somewhere in my drawer of PSP games. I can dig it out if anyone REALLY wants it.

Kim
11-26-2012, 06:51 AM
Making violence inflicted on a woman "sexy" isn't just a bit sexist.

It is incredibly sexist.

Sexualizing anti-woman violence is something we've seen a few times lately in games. Promotional stuff for the new Hitman and the new Lara Croft are the most standout examples.

It's not okay and it's very sexist from a number of angles. This is exacerbated by the fact that the specific game we're discussing takes a strong woman character and completely removes those elements of her character. Whatever excuse exists in-game doesn't change that fact.

3rd Birthday is a game that sexualizes anti-woman violence while taking what was once a strong woman and making her substantially less so.

I think any hate against this game is completely justified and I'd ask you to not trivialize the sexism of that game.

EVILNess
11-26-2012, 08:08 AM
I agree 100%, except I feel the game doesn't really do that.

1. Aya bleeds and gets covered in dirt when she takes battle damage. It isn't really that sexy. 2 which is understandable because she is in the middle of warzones. 3. The game penalizes you for having damaged clothes.

Also, yes the story does excuse Aya acting like an entirely different heroine.

The bottom line is that you should play the game yourself, as its a decently fun TPS. It doesn't require having played the first two games, but it does greatly enhance understanding of the characters from those games.

I was just casually pointing out some of the common complaints I have heard from people who haven't actually played the game. I didn't expect to get jumped on and beaten with a soapbox about sexism in a thread where we are suggesting video games.

Kim
11-26-2012, 08:35 AM
I was clarifying points so that Snake could make an educated purchasing decision.

You yourself don't actually have a history of taking problematic content in video games seriously on these forums. Snake, in contrast, is the sort of person who wants to know these things before making such purchasing decisions.

Thus, in a thread about whether or not he should spend his money on these games, bringing such things to his attention is just as relevant as elements of gameplay and story.

That you interpret such an explanation as a personal attack is no fault of mine.

Locke cole
11-26-2012, 09:30 AM
I think if only if you get a new physical copy of 3rd Birthday, which isn't a bad game you know. It's an average 3rd person shooter that controls pretty well despite the lack of a second analog stick on the psp, and the only justified hate I have ever heard about the game is Aya's chickification (Which has a justified story reason) and the fact that you have to read a lot to get the full story from the game when you change the past (Who and who is dead now is a big thing that changes.) (The clothing damage thing is a bit sexist, but I'm more taking about gameplay and story here. That is another can of worms.)

There is a Lightning costume for Aya as well from Duodecim.

I actually have an unused card for the costume (I also have the extra costume for Cecil from FF4 Complete Collection) somewhere in my drawer of PSP games. I can dig it out if anyone REALLY wants it.

I don't suppose I could convince you to give me what is needed for that Cecil costume? I don't plan on buying FFIV The Complete Collection any time soon. I have FFIV Advance, FFIV DS, and FFIV The After Years on Wiiware. I don't feel like buying FFIV again just to have both games on the same disc. No matter how shiny and new the sprites and extra bonus battle against Proto-Babil are...

Inbred Chocobo
11-26-2012, 09:37 AM
For Monster Hunter: Freedom Unite, being a huge fan of the series myself, I do really like the game. However, I'll be honest, this is a better game to do with a buddy or someone you can get with to play. Soloing will be fun, but hard at times, however nothing quite captures the joy in the game as joining with friends to take down something. There is no online play either, got to find someone with a PSP/Vita that has the game as well if you want to join up. (Though I will say if you do that, prepare to be forever entranced in the game).

For Vita specific, Touch My Katamari was pretty entertaining, but you kind of have to like that type of game.

There is also a Ratchet and Clank game coming next year for the Vita as well. Full Frontal Assault I believe its called. With what little I have heard about it, its back to the classic style, though it has a "Tower Defense Mode" in it as well. I've always enjoyed a good Ratchet and Clank game so that may be worth picking up.

Solid Snake
11-26-2012, 09:50 AM
I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to wait for a Vita version of Monster Hunter, if at all possible. Just seems like it'd be more fun with that series to take advantage of WiFi.

In regards to 3rd Birthday and Legend of Heroes, I do want to hear specifics regarding problematic homophobic and sexist content. Subsequently, Kim's analyses are appropriate to the discussion and much appreciated on my end.

Games with such glaring content have higher thresholds to cross before I'd consider a purchase. P4G's onerous content (barely) crosses that high threshold by virtue of characters and gameplay I'm very fond of. That's likely a consequence of my own weakness, but that's something I'm willing to acknowledge. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=42334)

But since I'm not a fan of the Parasite Eve series and I've never played a Legend of Heroes game before, in those cases, their regressive bullshit story scenes and disappointingly brazen male-gaze aesthetic design choices will be enough to prevent a purchase.

Ryong
11-26-2012, 10:37 AM
But since I'm not a fan of the Parasite Eve series and I've never played a Legend of Heroes game before, in those cases, their regressive bullshit story scenes and disappointingly brazen male-gaze aesthetic design choices will be enough to prevent a purchase.

You seem pretty sure about that.

Parasite Eve's issues are basically 3rd Birthday's whole clothing damage mechanic and fetish wear...And the shower scenes in 2 and 3? I can't remember if 1 had one. Either way, 1 and 2 were rather interesting and I'd give them a try.

Legend of Heroes, I'm afraid I can only speak about Trails in the Sky, which is the fourth one released in the west and which has nothing to do with the 3 earlier games, which were released as some sort of trilogy even though they're not connected.

And, well, what I can say about it is that it's a fantastic RPG the likes of which I haven't seen in ages. It does end in a temporary cliffhanger, however.

Solid Snake
11-26-2012, 10:46 AM
You seem pretty sure about that.


What's up with your stubbornness about these games?
Why should it matter to you whether I purchase or play them, or what reasons I have for avoiding them?

...I'm aware that games can still be enjoyable despite of homophobic or sexist content. But I'm trying to deliberately avoid snaring myself in more series like Persona. My addiction to that story and its gameplay has translated into financial support for socially regressive content I personally oppose.
I'd rather avoid that conundrum with other games and other series I haven't already gotten attached to.

So, to reiterate: I don't think anyone -- not Kim or I or anyone else here -- is implying that those games you like are awful or that everyone who likes them is automatically sexist or homophobic for finding some enjoyment in them.

...But insofar as I don't yet know how 'great' those games may be, and insofar as I have no nostalgic ties to those games' existence, there's little psychological cost in disavowing them the moment I hear that some of its content caters to privilege while stereotyping and oppressing disparaged minority groups.

If I can include social justice into the equation as to whether or not I purchase a product, I will. Doing so is not a slight against you or the game itself. It's just me managing my own money the way I see fit.

Bells
11-26-2012, 10:59 AM
It's angles... if you actually play 3rd Birthday with a different point of view to it, there is actually a explanation to the clothing thing and the "chickification" thing that ties -directly- into the story the game is trying to tell. And it's characters...

on THAT note, it's actually pretty well designed. Even clever.

On ANOTHER note, it's poorly executed and an overall bland game that in the end isn't as smart as it seems to be trying to be. And it comes across cheap, thick and pointless when it's trying to be meaningful... and failing at it.

It's a Squeenix game, so there is bloat load of Symbolism and "in-between-the-lineism", that, as many Squeenix game tend to do, you actually need to stop and think about it instead of... you know... enjoying the game. And when you DO think about, you get it... but it wasn't that much of a big deal that would justify all the cryptic shit...

It's a mature game trying to dress like a kid to look cool. Comes out dumb.

...so, it's ok to Oppose content, but usually not a good idea to oppose context.

Ryong
11-26-2012, 11:05 AM
Well that escalated quickly.

I've PMed you the content that was found to be homophobic, since I'd rather avoid derailing the thread even further.

What's up with your stubbornness about these games?
Why should it matter to you whether I purchase or play them, or what reasons I have for avoiding them?

It doesn't. It's just a game I like that I haven't seen a lot of people talk about because it's a PSP RPG that everyone assumes to be bad - like, say, Tales of Legendia for the PS2 which people hate but are fanatical about Tales of Abyss, for example - based on hell if I know.

So, to reiterate: I don't think anyone -- not Kim or I or anyone else here -- is implying that those games you like are awful or that everyone who likes them is automatically sexist or homophobic for finding some enjoyment in them.

Not assuming that. Chill.

...But insofar as I don't yet know how 'great' those games may be, and insofar as I have no nostalgic ties to those games' existence, there's little psychological cost in disavowing them the moment I hear that some of its content caters to privilege while stereotyping and oppressing disparaged minority groups.

If I can include social justice into the equation as to whether or not I purchase a product, I will. Doing so is not a slight against you or the game itself. It's just me managing my own money the way I see fit.

You've asked for recommendations, I made a recommendation of a game I find to be good, you've both said you never played them and gave a description that shouldn't be thrown around so lightly and I tried to explain myself.

Solid Snake
11-26-2012, 11:25 AM
I've PMed you the content that was found to be homophobic, since I'd rather avoid derailing the thread even further.

Your 'PM' was a vitriolic way to attempt to recommend the game by belittling and dismissing Kim's legitimately revolting reaction to an awful scene. I'm assuming you included it in a PM as opposed to posting it here in public so as not to catch Kim's ire in this thread.

It was a wholly negative representation that captures a heck of a lot of the anti-Kim sentiments that's been bubbling underneath the surface over these past few months. You heavily implied through the PM commentary that I should purchase the game in spite of Kim's reaction because she was -- in your view -- emotionally and irrationally overreacting to a scene where the homophobia was contextually justified.

Having read about the scene and having done my own research into the subject matter, I can say that the scene is brazenly homophobic. Kim's private and personal reaction was unnecessary at best and inappropriate at worst for you to disclose (Kim can choose whether or not to disclose something so deeply personal on her own prerogative, without your doing so in a mere attempt to dismiss and discredit her perspective.)

Also: I created this goddamn thread. Do NOT attempt to so much as suggest or imply that a discussion of homophobia in a PSP game is 'derailing' a thread in which I am asking for game recommendations. You continually do so, and it insults me. When I ask for opinions on whether to purchase PSP games, issues of social justice in those games are NOT, I repeat NOT, derails. That may be true for you, but don't insert that passively-oppressive 'let's not upset the status quo' bullshittery of evading social justice conversations into my mouth and tell me what can and can't be discuss in my thread. If a Mod believes such conversations are against the rules for any reason, that's within their jurisdiction to set the boundaries, but it's certainly not within yours.

MSperoni
11-26-2012, 11:32 AM
I really like the Metal Slug games. Metal Slug XX is pretty fun.

Bells
11-26-2012, 11:48 AM
I really like the Metal Slug games. Metal Slug XX is pretty fun.

On that note, the PSP has Metal Slug Anthology which is totally worth it and likely to be dirt cheap anywhere

Ryong
11-26-2012, 11:56 AM
Fine.

To make a long story short:

1) My suggestion of Parasite Eve was boiled down to the first two games and even then it was just a small "try them out" suggestion. I have agreed with the issues on 3rd Birthday.

2) I've belittled the scene in question in Trails in the Sky because it all makes sense in context - Estelle (a sheltered girl with a crush on Joshua ) gets mad at a stranger ( Olivier ) hitting on him. Olivier makes repeated flirting attempts at several women throughout the course of the trilogy and is met with similar, albeit indeed less severe, reactions, except from Scherazard ( an older female party member ) who also makes advances at Joshua that neither Joshua or Estelle are fans of. Olivier's character is also portrayed as being eccentric in general, but it isn't known when he's serious and when he's only playing the part ( which is a spoiler, but I doubt anyone will mind, for the purpose of conversation ).

3) I have suggested the game to Kim before and - now that the cat's out of the bag on "disclosing information" as now the whole forum's here - she stopped playing at that point. I attempted the same I am now to no avail. I feel the game is good, which is why I'm insisting on it.

4) I must admit Kim has been getting on my nerves lately. This has nothing to do with her sexual identity or if she's cis or not. It has everything to do with overreaction, a holier-than-thou feeling in every conversation, generally being offended very easily and a strangely binary view of people with me/scum. I'm far from being conservative, but I feel fanaticism doesn't work well for anyone anywhere.

Excuse me for being blunt and generating drama.

Kim
11-26-2012, 12:11 PM
I know I'm perfect and beautiful and great in the sack, but I'm not quite so amazing that literally every attempt to discuss social issues devolve into a discussion about me, nor am I so marvelous that you folks need to talk about me behind my back.

I know I may seem that fantastic, and I almost am, but I'm really not.

http://i45.tinypic.com/1057acy.gif

Carry on.

Aldurin
11-26-2012, 12:20 PM
There is also a Ratchet and Clank game coming next year for the Vita as well. Full Frontal Assault I believe its called. With what little I have heard about it, its back to the classic style, though it has a "Tower Defense Mode" in it as well. I've always enjoyed a good Ratchet and Clank game so that may be worth picking up.

And it's going to be a good Ratchet & Clank game since Insomniac is now clinging to their IP again so that High Impact can't fuck it up any more. They might let some other company work on handling the Vita side of development but as long as they are judge, jury and developer on the content of the game then I feel good about it.

Yeah, I kinda get pissy when developers outsource my favorite franchises.

Insomniac, please buy Spyro back so I can have a fourth game to consider canon.

POS Industries
11-26-2012, 12:25 PM
I know I'm perfect and beautiful and great in the sack, but I'm not quite so amazing that literally every attempt to discuss social issues devolve into a discussion about me, nor am I so marvelous that you folks need to talk about me behind my back.

I know I may seem that fantastic, and I almost am, but I'm really not.

http://i45.tinypic.com/1057acy.gif

Carry on.
Pretty much this, guys.

If Snake doesn't want to play some games, then respect his wishes and suggest something else.

MSperoni
11-26-2012, 12:26 PM
Carry on.

You're putting words in my mouth like... hotdogs!


Also: I wouldn't mind getting that Metal Slug Anthology one of these days.

Kim
11-26-2012, 12:29 PM
Now's your chance!!

No thread can handle two Shaq gifs on the same page.

It can't be done.

Solid Snake
11-26-2012, 12:42 PM
What this thread needs is more Charles Barkley GIFs

Bells
11-26-2012, 12:43 PM
No thread can handle two Shaq gifs on the same page.

It can't be done.

You can if you are a Master of Shaquido...

#Shaqfureference2012

Solid Snake
11-26-2012, 12:59 PM
I am now assuming you're all doing your due diligence in procuring me Barkley GIFs

Donomni
11-26-2012, 01:18 PM
What this thread needs is more Charles Barkley GIFs

I can do you one better and suggest a game with the power of Barkley!

jgnOrcWXGd4

Basically, Touch My Katamari is pretty neat. It's Katamary Damacy on the go!

That said, it's still like basically every other Katamary Damacy. Unless you really would like rolling shit up on a handheld(And isn't shit with controls like the PSP), you're probably better off with a console version.

Also, Snake: Get Playstation +. You can, essentially, rent PS3/PSP/Vita games for whenever you're a PS+ member, even after a membership expires. You just need to flag the games as having "bought" them while they're free, then you can download then whenever you want as long as you have PS+(which, as I said, includes letting the subscription expire and renewing it!).

There's a lot of free junk(and 6 games for the Vita). (http://us.playstation.com/psn/playstation-plus/) And since you can flag new "free" games when they come up... the value seriously snowballs after a few months.

So, yeah, hope this helps!

Kyanbu The Legend
11-26-2012, 01:34 PM
This thread is overflowing with B-Ball Energy!

EVILNess
11-26-2012, 05:29 PM
Are the two Star Ocean games on the Vita? Because, while I haven't played the first one very much the second is a nice redo of one of my favorite games from the PS1.

Also on the weird side of things that I actually doubt is on the PSP store, Kenka Bancho Badass Rumble is probably the best beat em up released in the US for the PSP. It is rather Japanese and can be very nonsensical though, but has a super amount of re-playability. If you have never seen it, basically its a River City Ransom where time flows ala Persona 3 and 4.

Ryong
11-26-2012, 06:18 PM
Are the two Star Ocean games on the Vita? Because, while I haven't played the first one very much the second is a nice redo of one of my favorite games from the PS1.

Snake, a word of advice, you'll need a guide for both, constantly.

I don't know what it is with the Star Ocean series that requires you to know exactly what you're doing because even if you manage to exploit the crap out of it, you're still doing stuff wrong. There's waaaaaaaay too many missable content to keep track of.

THEN AGAIN

They DID make Valkyrie Profile, didn't they?

Bells
11-26-2012, 06:29 PM
Star Ocean and Valkyrie profile... two games that no matter how hard you complete them, they still make you feel shitty for not completing enough stuff...

Locke cole
11-26-2012, 07:13 PM
Man, I hope the Kickstarter for Barkley 2 shows up soon.

Satan's Onion
11-26-2012, 08:48 PM
I dunno if you'll actually be able to find it easily, but if you manage to stumble across it, get yourself a copy of LSD - Dream Emulator, if you think you'd be into a fascinatingly weird game of exploring exceedingly odd dreamscapes. It was ported to the PSP from the original PSX game, which was based on (iirc) a game designer's dream diary. It's pretty rad if you're into that kind of thing.

Ryong
11-26-2012, 10:07 PM
A game designer's dream diary during 10 years that she did drugs. And said dream diary came with the game originally.

Shit's crazy.