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Kyanbu The Legend
12-11-2012, 09:52 PM
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/142896-valve-confirms-steam-box-coming-in-2013-says-it-will-compete-with-next-gen-consoles


Hot on the heels of the surprisingly-well-received Big Picture mode, Valve has confirmed that it will release a “Steam Box” video game console sometime in 2013.

Speaking to Kotaku at the 2012 Video Game Awards this weekend, Gabe Newell confirmed that Valve is working on a living room-friendly PC that runs Steam. Newell says that reception for Steam’s new, TV-oriented Big Picture mode has been “stronger than expected,” and the company will now work to get Steam for Linux out of beta.

Beyond that, Gaben only gave us one other tidbit about the Steam Box, stating that “our hardware will be a very controlled environment.” In other words, the Steam Box will be a console, rather than some kind of PC that you can upgrade. Curiously, Newell also said that he expects other companies to sell living room PCs that will compete with next-gen consoles from Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. We’re not entirely sure why 2013 is the year that living room PCs will suddenly compete with game consoles, but do let us know in the comments if you have a theory.

Valve in general, and Gaben in particular, seem to be on some kind of heroic mission to bring Steam to the mass market. Newell was one of the first critics of Windows 8, calling it “a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space.” It’s impossible to say for certain, but it certainly seems that Steam for Linux’s graduation from weekend project to full-blown endeavor neatly matches up with Gabe’s distaste for Windows 8. As far as we can tell, though, this hatred doesn’t stem from the Metro interface; rather, Valve sees the Windows 8 Store as a direct threat to Steam. In much the same way that Microsoft squashed other web browsers with its monopolistic backside, Valve is worried that the Windows Store will snuff out third-party digital distribution platforms.

What isn’t clear, though, is how the Steam Box will actually combat the Windows Store. With Valve’s focus on Steam for Linux, the current assumption is that the Steam Box will run Linux — but then the console won’t be able to play more than a few dozen games. Valve is also working on a Linux port of its Source game engine, which will certainly help matters, but that isn’t going to suddenly make Skyrim or Mass Effect compatible with Linux.

The other option, of course, is that the Steam Box will run Windows 7. This would drive the cost of the console up, but it would mean that you could immediately play Assassin’s Creed III on your TV, with your Valve gamepad.

Ultimately, though, the elephant in the room is the hardware itself. Newell very clearly tells Kotaku that the Steam Box will be a PC, rather than a custom piece of console hardware (such as the Xbox 360 or PS3). In all likelihood, this means the Steam Box will probably just be a small form factor (SFF) x86 PC — and as we know, high-powered SFFs are not cheap ($600+). By pitching it as a living room PC with more capabilities than a conventional video game console, Valve has some leeway on the pricing — but not that much.

Though, having said that, if it looks like a Companion Cube, I’d pay almost anything for a Steam Box.

Update: The wording in the original Kotaku story is rather vague. It seems to indicate that the Steam Box is coming in 2013, but Newell might instead be referring to other living room PCs. Either way, with next-gen consoles due at the end of 2013, it would make sense if the Steam Box has a similar launch window.

Locke cole
12-11-2012, 10:16 PM
Only one hat?

Kyanbu The Legend
12-11-2012, 10:26 PM
Honestly I don't see how this will combat the windows store. And last I check isn't Steam the best choice for digital distribution anyway?

This seems like an unessasary move on Gabe's part.

I guess only time will tell how well it does when it launches next year.


EDIT: I should have done more homework on this. I erased my previous statment. Since this is pointing more towards Valve's personal brand of living room PCs.

mauve
12-11-2012, 10:49 PM
Ten bucks Microsoft sues for the use of the word "box" as part of their console name.

Seil
12-12-2012, 02:09 AM
That's why they're calling it a cube.

akaSM
12-12-2012, 02:32 AM
It'd better be shaped like a Companion Cube or I'll be very very sad.

Bells
12-12-2012, 05:27 AM
Ooooooooh i see... they will make Steam stronger on Linux, use that to base their console on and release a mini-gaming-pc that runs Steam.

Kinda like the OUYA on steroids.

...cause i'm not seeing them running this thing out of a Windows platform. Microsoft is not going to play softball with this, it would directly compete with their XBOX, except Steam has better Pricing systems and a bigger library.

On the other hand, we would most likely remain trapped in the loop of "If it's cheaper than a PC, it's not as good as one. If it's the same price or more expensive, it's better to get a PC with Steam and enjoy everything else a PC do"

Problem is... the aggressive push to Windows 8.

... *sigh* is going to be an annoying year for gaming, isn't it?

Revising Ocelot
12-12-2012, 07:14 AM
Using Kotaku as a source?

Bells
12-12-2012, 07:32 AM
Well... it is technically a source...

Aerozord
12-12-2012, 11:45 AM
I dont see any competitive advantage here. Unless Steam suddenly becomes exclusive to this console people will just keep running it on their PC like normal. Admittedly its cheaper, but its also the consumer choosing a more limited platform. I suppose to people without a computer this might be appealing but if you dont have a computer you probably aren't that interested in computer games.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche
12-12-2012, 12:25 PM
Well... it is technically a source...

I could write "Gabe Newell to go to moon in 2013" on my inner thigh and it would technically be a source.

Grandmaster_Skweeb
12-12-2012, 12:39 PM
You're missing the whole point of it, aero. Gabe's push with this is to bring more people to the PC end of the spectrum. Thing is, there's still a godawful silly misconception among the console crowd still thinks computers still operate the same way they did in the 90's when it comes to drivers and everyday operations. I see it all the time. Plus, the limited platform comment is amusing because consoles by their very nature are already very limited. Talk of next gen consoles are already sounding more PC-like than ever with modular components and with this venture gabe is further blurring the lines between the two. I think of it as a gateway drug into PC euphoria.

If a user wants to use steam on their rig, that's great. Gabe is all for it. If anything this will hopefully give more weight back to the PC gaming industry instead of dealing with a game built on a pc, ported to console, then lazily ported back to pc with a shoddy UI and control scheme. Furthermore, i'm frustrated as all hell when having to pay for a game full price and it looking like it should have been released back in 2005 because consoles only run at DX9 when i have a rig built to run shit designed for now. Dont get me wrong, consoles have done good for the gaming scene but the downside of it is there's an underlying stagnation because, for the most part, the limits of console hardware are being reached with games.

Because games are generally made for consoles and PC's, and a good portion doesn't even see the latter, the console's inherently limited specs make it hard to innovate as creatively as otherwise desired. Take borderlands 2 for example. Ever notice that compared to BL1 there's a helluva lot less enemies on screen doin their thing? Boils down to hardware limits. Instead they focused on fewer tougher smarter enemies. Not that i mind, but its a good example of a console being the weakest factor in development.

I for one welcome our Gaben overlord, shining beacon for the glorious PC master race.

Edie edit edit: fuck windows 8 with sandpaper wrapped balsa wood. Once linux steam goes full hog wild and more devs jump to it i can be a happy skweeb. 'Cause with that there's less cost and time devs have dealing with microsoft's endlessly frustrating certification/approval process that amounts to little more than saying'okay, you can put our logo on your product.'

Bells
12-12-2012, 12:51 PM
i Dunno, doesn't it hold kinda true that if you build a top gaming PC today, it will still run most games on MAX for a good 5 years before you have to dial Graphic sliders down to medium?

I always thought the paradigm here was that while PC's do that in a more expensive way with more options, consoles are streamlined and locked down to cheapen production... So, a PS3 is like a top PC rig in 2007 (being released in 2006) that is going to cycle out in 2013/14 (originally it was supposed to run until 2015/16).

See a game like Watch Dogs for instance, that was CLEARLY being developed in a next Gen PC. And i would bet it only comes out for the next consoles... hell, FF13 was PC Developed! When it went to PS3 and 360 it got graphically watered down for the final builds... but that's cause Squeenix just like to go super nuts like a pretentious suda51...

I could write "Gabe Newell to go to moon in 2013" on my inner thigh and it would technically be a source.

Well, in that case the correct headline would be "Gabe Newell to return home in 2013"...

Kyanbu The Legend
12-12-2012, 12:53 PM
Like I've said before, a while ago. Consoles have lost their place in gaming. No matter what, they'll always be weaker then PCs.

Magus
12-14-2012, 04:14 PM
Depends entirely on price. I've wanted a new PC to play new games but I continue to balk at the minimum price floor of $600. If it's just a box that connects to Steam and plays games on TV for 250 bucks or whatever I'd be happy with it.

Solid Snake
12-14-2012, 04:26 PM
Like I've said before, a while ago. Consoles have lost their place in gaming. No matter what, they'll always be weaker then PCs.

I'm not so sure about that.

Though it's funny to think about how just a few years ago, the general trend among doomsday analysts was exactly the opposite: Consoles were ascendant, PC gaming was going down the drain aside from a few strategy titles, major titles weren't even being released or supported for PC, etc.

Everything's cyclical. Towards the end of the lifecycle of a dominant console a reasonably priced PC far surpasses its capabilities, so everyone's shouting how consoles are done for and how PC is for master gamers and some shit.

Then the next generation of consoles are released and shortly thereafter, all the talk's about how consoles give you graphics and processing power that far exceeds PCs at identical price points, and how much easier it is to rely on a console, and how PCs are going to be relics only used for strategy titles that require a keyboard.

It's Battlestar Galactica's core message all over again.