Man of Steel - Final Trailer

[Bells]

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So, little peck of upbeat news anyone?

New superman movie! C'mon... Iron Man 3 is already dawning on us, but Supes! Supes is suppose to change the game here... Marvel is going for Round Two of their Movie Making dominance, and they seem to be starting strong...

Superman is supposed to be the final non-shitty counter to that offensive... can they do it?

This is the final trailer, the one that set us for the whole thing... there might be a new teaser here or there, but this is the final montage. it shows us everything we need to know for the story... and here is what i took from it.

1) Be prepared for a good hour of humanizing backstory before Superman puts the cape.

2) They did the "ooooooh he was going to say superman but they got cutoff so they didn't ..." bit. ok movie... you get ONE of those. don't push it.

3) Be prepared for a lot of Zoom in action while two super beings cover great distances towards each other in seconds.

4) They explained the S with an Alien origin. That is actually a big relief to prevent corniness


All and all this is an Origin story, and i expect it to be good. Seems like there will be a lot more action, which the previous one was severely lacking... while not forgetting to tell us a character piece.

If we care to compare it to two other movies, one DC and one Marvel, i would say that the fair comparison is with Batman Begins and the first Iron Man movie. it's been a while since those came out... but i'm expecting to see that again.

Thing is, right now... Batman begins would pale in comparisson to what Iron Man 3 seems to be promising. Its a different game from when we started all those years back... they have their buffer window between the two movies, but comparisons are inevitable. So i guess its not completely unfair to say that as competent as Man of Steel seems to be right now... its an uphill battle if DC really wants to get it right this time.

[Magus]

Does it mean hope? I thought it meant El. Since it's the family's sigil and that's their last name. Or is hope what El stands for? Eh, whatever.

Still confused why the woman says, "My son was on the bus! He saw what Clark did!" when it's clearly Lana Lang sitting there. Maybe her son is also on there, I guess.

They seem to avoid showing all the CGI stuff involving Zod and his space ships or wahtever because I bet it's kind of hokey and as you said, probably only involved in about half the movie, since they are going for a pretty strong Batman Begins parallel here.

[Amake]

It looks worth watching, so that's a big step up for Superman movies.

I don't know about going in-depth in the origin story that's already been successfully distilled in eight words, but maybe it's the sort of movie that can make us care about the same story we've heard a thousand times before.

You could say the trailer gives me. . .hope

[Magus]

The problem is Snyder's attempt at making you care mostly seems to revolve around choir music and Superman sort of standing around looking thoughtful (sometimes in slow-mo).

Trailers are notoriously hard to use to figure out the films they represent, though.

[tacticslion]

It looks worth watching, so that's a big step up for Superman movies.

I don't know about going in-depth in the origin story that's already been successfully distilled in eight words, but maybe it's the sort of movie that can make us care about the same story we've heard a thousand times before.

You could say the trailer gives me. . .hope

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Personally, I'm really excited.

My personal take on the Superman movies:

* Superman: pretty great! A couple minor plot holes, but whatevs.

* Superman 2: also pretty great! See Superman 1 (also Supes shacks up, but whatevs)

* Superman 3: ... no. This is officially the worst. Yes, it was intended as a comedy. That was a mistake. No, it wasn't really funny. Or interesting. It was confusing, plodding, and a Richard Prior movie that also happened to get some Superman on it.

* Superman 4: ... see? I told you. Not great, filled with really dumb plot-holes, but better than 3. Besides I was young and that yellow-suit guy was kind of scary (though how he has a suit, despite the explanation, is a mystery for the ages).

* Superman Returns: ... kiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda slightly disappointing, actually. Not terrible, and has some great moments, but Superman is characterized as a super-jerk and Lois seems to be a genuinely awful person, over-all, and I feel really sorry for whatshisnameforgetableguyLoismarried because he's really getting the short end of the... uh... "deal" with all this, and he's never done anything except be a pretty cool and awesome guy. In a way kind of like Episode 1 of Star Wars: there were some great things with some terrible things and it added up to an over-all "meh" movie. Luthor was hilariously flawlessly acted, though, and I'm pretty sure he channeled Gene, there (even if the ultimate "plan" was a little dodgy, it really fit with Gene's Luthor's earlier doofy ideas and executions). Really strange the sudden "youngening" of the characters, though. No where near as awful as "3".
(Incidentally, do you think that Lois's son with Supes was mostly lacking powers and had defects (such as asthma) because Supes was lacking powers due to weird radiation when he and Lois had sex the one time they did so?)

So anyway, I'm really hopeful for this movie. I've enjoyed four of the five of the movies (sometimes in spite of said movie, I must admit), and am feeling hopeful about this one. :)

[Betty Elms]

I'm only excited for this movie if it's ninety minutes of Michael Shannon contorting his face and being intense.

[Magus]

I'm only excited for this movie if it's ninety minutes of Michael Shannon contorting his face and being intense.

I'd rather he was playing Nelson Van Alden than General Zod. Now that's a threat! PURITAN POWER!

Secret death plan for Superman: burn him horribly with hot (kryptonite) iron, have wife whack him over the head with a (kryptonite) club.

THEN COMES THE DROWNING (in liquid kryptonite)

[Gregness]

I dunno man, I kind of dislike the part where it seems like Jor-El sent him to earth for a purpose ('he'll be a god to them', 'they'll follow you into the sun', etc). I always thought it was way more compelling to think that he was just sent blindly into the cosmos and that with all his power he CHOSE to be the big blue boy scout (due to the farm boy upbringing or whatever).

[Magus]

I dunno man, I kind of dislike the part where it seems like Jor-El sent him to earth for a purpose ('he'll be a god to them', 'they'll follow you into the sun', etc). I always thought it was way more compelling to think that he was just sent blindly into the cosmos and that with all his power he CHOSE to be the big blue boy scout (due to the farm boy upbringing or whatever).

Seemed like that was in the comics and such, though. He specifically chose Earth because the yellow sun would make him godlike versus the native humans.

One part I liked about Smallville is it was actually not so much hope as "Go forth and rule these primitive apes with your godlike powers, Kal-El." Like condescending. This one is definitely more upbeat/not terribad Jor-El.

I guess you could argue that it is indeed like a mission from Jor-El that he should be a hero instead of arriving at it on his own, but then again he wanders America before going to the Fortress of Solitude and getting this message from what I'm seeing in this trailer, so there's still a large amount of his becoming Superman not based on knowing he's a special godlike alien, I would think.

[Gregness]

I suppose it's worth noting that 95% of my exposure to superman is from the DCAU and so I'm not really all that knowledgable about the comics

[Bells]

Like Magus said... The angle of this movie is that Jor El knew that Kal El would be superior to the whole of the Human race and that they would look up to him and worship him to some degree... which its actually quite a bit of truth from the Superman Mythos. He is "the" superhero after all...

Thing is, Superman learned Humility from his earthly upbringing. In the end, he decided to help people because he knew it that it was the right thing to do with the gifts that he had and never searched adoration or expected it from them.

The Superman from DCAU is a very good example actually. Most of my DC knowledge comes from there... a LOT of it is due to Justice league cartoon and Batman Cartoon... he suffers from "Harvey dent-itis". He is a symbol and he can't be seen being bad or vengeful or evil caue people look up to him and want to be better because of him.

I mean, look at one of the very best momments of expresion from Kal El ever made...

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[Magus]

Superman Vs. The Elite is a good movie with the same exact thing at the end. When Superman goes off the deep end it's like "holy crap we are all dead".

[POS Industries]

I liked that George Newbern's "evil Superman" voice is just his Sephiroth voice.

Because that actually makes sense.

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Huh, for some reason I thought I was posting this in the Injustice thread but it's applicable for both.

[BloodyMage]

I'm disappointed so much of the alien stuff looks like it came from the Alien franchise.

[Bells]

Moviebob made a commentary-teaser on stuff he heard on Kryptonian technology that i found interesting... it was in the lines of Krypton seeming highly advanced and at the same time stagnated on their current technology level, which should in some degree be relevant to the backstory of this new movie.

So i found that interesting.

[Magus]

To speculate on that technology: that first scene seems to be some kind of Kryptonian war or something. I guess General Zod's attempted coup?

I liked that George Newbern's "evil Superman" voice is just his Sephiroth voice.

Because that actually makes sense.

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Huh, for some reason I thought I was posting this in the Injustice thread but it's applicable for both.

You're lucky I was somehow prescient enough to bring up Superman Vs. The Elite.

[Premmy]

To speculate on that technology: that first scene seems to be some kind of Kryptonian war or something.te.

Might just be Krypton exploding.

[Magus]

Might just be Krypton exploding.

I don't know. There's what appears to be laser fire between ships fighting. Maybe they are going with The Animated Series version of Brainiac and this is Brainiac destroying Krypton by turning the global defense network against itself or something? Instead of destroying it through inaction? Or maybe Zod has turned the weapons on it or something...

It's definitely something we haven't seen before, be it another version of the planet being destroyed or the actual war with Zod.

[BloodyMage]

If it's a war, it'll be Zod. DC and Warner Bros are tenatively dipping their toes into this movie franchise continuity thing, I'm not sure they'll have the awareness to stick in Brainiac right at the start if he has little bearing on the rest of the film, especially if it is only a veiled reference to a cartoon.

[Bells]

Speaking of DC world... a little bit of speculation, shall we?

Let's assume that DC is ready to go full out with this thing. That man of steel really is the first step into the new DC movie unniverse and it will all come together into the justice league movie in a few years...

Ok, check this out...

You know in the movie, how Supes finds this huge ass Alien looking ship in the artic? Ok, that's the fortress of solitude. But not only that... it is also a kryptonia ship. Also where he finds information from his father and the superman costume. Why? Cause the costume is adult sized and we are already in the knowing that he only gets the costume later on in life... if his father intended for him to have the costume since the start, he would send it with him as a baby. I also know he will find a Recording from Jor El later in life because you simply don't sign in Russel Crow to kill him off in the first 10 minutes and not use him again...

From that, i jump to the speculation that the superman outifit "Hope-S" and everything, is actually the official Uniforn of a Kriptonian ambassador or some other sort of of political figure with a non-aggressive stance. Also explains the "Hope" on his chest.

Now... why would there be a secondary ship stranded in the artic? Why does it cary info from Jor el and the costume?

We know it doesn't belong to Zod, that makes no sense... my idea here is that more likely Zod followed that ship in search of Kal El and ended up on Earth.

So... we get to the end of the movie and that plot point kinda stays in the air, right?

Well it just so happens that the navigation control of that ship was in fact Braniac.

let's just jump some hoops here and assume Braniac finds his way to Lex Luthor... Lo' and behold... we have our Justice League villain, complete with the ability of creating a powerful, yet screen-disposable army of enemies. Now imagine this scene of Lex finding Braniac being the "Post-credits" scene...

Yep, I would be hyped for that.

So, here is the big question... let's consider what we know from the trailers. Let's propose that it is in fact the DC unniverse and the arrival of Zod makes the heroes aware of one another... how do you think this Aesthetic would feel for the other heroes?

Cause, i can in fact see how they get this mold from this superman trailer and transfer this to Aquaman or Wonder Woman... it can work in that scale... not so sure about Batman though.

Actually... if they do reboot Batman for this, he is probably going to be the last one... and just to make sure that the Supernatural element exists in his world he is very likely to fight Killer Croc or Grundy...

[Nique]

Does anyone know what the word is on the details of DC's properties in terms of their license agreements with whoever has the movie rights to Supes, Batmans, etc?

EDIT: Superman and Batman are clearly under control but I meant more like, is there some lingering copyright on Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, etc?

[Magus]

If it's a war, it'll be Zod. DC and Warner Bros are tenatively dipping their toes into this movie franchise continuity thing, I'm not sure they'll have the awareness to stick in Brainiac right at the start if he has little bearing on the rest of the film, especially if it is only a veiled reference to a cartoon.

Well that was the thing, if they are trying to build up continuity it would allow them to provide the villain early for a sequel, which is what the cartoon did. Brainiac was in the first episode, Superman did his whole origin and a bunch of other crap in between, mostly involving Lex Luthor, and then like, episode 10, Brainiac finally showed up as a villain.

But you are right it is probably Zod's war.

Speaking of DC world... a little bit of speculation, shall we?

Let's assume that DC is ready to go full out with this thing. That man of steel really is the first step into the new DC movie unniverse and it will all come together into the justice league movie in a few years...

Ok, check this out...

You know in the movie, how Supes finds this huge ass Alien looking ship in the artic? Ok, that's the fortress of solitude. But not only that... it is also a kryptonia ship. Also where he finds information from his father and the superman costume. Why? Cause the costume is adult sized and we are already in the knowing that he only gets the costume later on in life... if his father intended for him to have the costume since the start, he would send it with him as a baby. I also know he will find a Recording from Jor El later in life because you simply don't sign in Russel Crow to kill him off in the first 10 minutes and not use him again...

From that, i jump to the speculation that the superman outifit "Hope-S" and everything, is actually the official Uniforn of a Kriptonian ambassador or some other sort of of political figure with a non-aggressive stance. Also explains the "Hope" on his chest.

Now... why would there be a secondary ship stranded in the artic? Why does it cary info from Jor el and the costume?

We know it doesn't belong to Zod, that makes no sense... my idea here is that more likely Zod followed that ship in search of Kal El and ended up on Earth.

So... we get to the end of the movie and that plot point kinda stays in the air, right?

Well it just so happens that the navigation control of that ship was in fact Braniac.

let's just jump some hoops here and assume Braniac finds his way to Lex Luthor... Lo' and behold... we have our Justice League villain, complete with the ability of creating a powerful, yet screen-disposable army of enemies. Now imagine this scene of Lex finding Braniac being the "Post-credits" scene...

Yep, I would be hyped for that.

So, here is the big question... let's consider what we know from the trailers. Let's propose that it is in fact the DC unniverse and the arrival of Zod makes the heroes aware of one another... how do you think this Aesthetic would feel for the other heroes?

Cause, i can in fact see how they get this mold from this superman trailer and transfer this to Aquaman or Wonder Woman... it can work in that scale... not so sure about Batman though.

Actually... if they do reboot Batman for this, he is probably going to be the last one... and just to make sure that the Supernatural element exists in his world he is very likely to fight Killer Croc or Grundy...

If they do the "eventually finds out about other superheroes thing", I think it would be through the military trying to bring them together. Much like Avengers has SHIELD, I could see Cadmus doing a similar thing here (and eventually turning on them in a Justice League movie).

Killer Croc is kind of lame for a full-feature villain. Clayface would be better.

Does anyone know what the word is on the details of DC's properties in terms of their license agreements with whoever has the movie rights to Supes, Batmans, etc?

EDIT: Superman and Batman are clearly under control but I meant more like, is there some lingering copyright on Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, etc?

I'm pretty sure Warner Bros. has the full rights to the whole DC universe, it's not like Marvel where two or three big franchises are licensed by Fox and the rest are owned by Disney. This is only judging by the fact that they have developed op-scripts for various DC heroes like Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. just to see if they could think up a decent movie idea. And their CW shows like Arrow have no problem dipping into any corner of the DC universe they want.

[BloodyMage]

Now imagine this scene of Lex finding Braniac being the "Post-credits" scene...

Yep, I would be hyped for that.

I kind of hope DC find another way to hook people other than using the post credit techique. I mean that it has become so incorporated into Marvel's style of connecting films with each other that, well, it's going to seem like DC is copying Marvel entirely.

Well that was the thing, if they are trying to build up continuity it would allow them to provide the villain early for a sequel, which is what the cartoon did. Brainiac was in the first episode, Superman did his whole origin and a bunch of other crap in between, mostly involving Lex Luthor, and then like, episode 10, Brainiac finally showed up as a villain.

But you are right it is probably Zod's war.

I agree that would work but again, considering that DC and WB only just got on board with a continuity driven Justice League film after Avengers was such a success, I don't know if they would be so gung-ho as to introduce the Justice League villain in the first film.


I'm pretty sure Warner Bros. has the full rights to the whole DC universe, it's not like Marvel where two or three big franchises are licensed by Fox and the rest are owned by Disney. This is only judging by the fact that they have developed op-scripts for various DC heroes like Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. just to see if they could think up a decent movie idea. And their CW shows like Arrow have no problem dipping into any corner of the DC universe they want.

Yep, Warner Brothers and the subcompanies own the film and television rights to the entirety of the DC universe, which is why Smallville tried to launch spin offs for Flash and Aquaman at different points. Warner Bros. tend to stick with Superman and Batman in film because they're the most popular and because other franchises such as Wonder Woman and Green Lantern have either failed to get off the ground or have tanked.

[Azisien]

I'm excited for this movie because in theory I'm down with having continuity in DC franchise movies and also I love Synder's visual style.

...But this movie will probably be mostly boring, because it's just another rehash and a bunch of backstory with child actors and emo adult supes and 1-2 flashy action sequences, but please, prove me wrong.

[Magus]

I kind of hope DC find another way to hook people other than using the post credit techique. I mean that it has become so incorporated into Marvel's style of connecting films with each other that, well, it's going to seem like DC is copying Marvel entirely.


Copying Marvel's strategy with their movie releases is exactly what WB should do, though. Just blatantly copy them. Heck, make the Wonder Woman as close as possible to the Thor formula, as well.

[Bells]

That would be the Epitomy of "Playing it safe", but fuck... if it works...

I mean, i don't expect DC to reinvent the wheel here... i just want they stop to sucking on their movieworks.

[Magus]

Are you saying Catwoman wasn't the height of art

[Bells]

I'm saying that Catwoman and Green Lantern redeem Ghost Rider 1 and 2!! And that's a marvel character!