DC's Bet : Superman Vs Batman Movie

[Bells]

Officially annouced during Comic Con

On the heels of the worldwide success of Man of Steel, director Zack Snyder is bringing together the two greatest Super Heroes of all time —Batman and Superman —for the first time on the big screen. The announcement was made today by Greg Silverman, President, Creative Development and Worldwide Production, and Sue Kroll, President, Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution,Warner Bros. Pictures.

The current hit, Man of Steel, has taken in more than $630 million at the worldwide box office to date, and climbing. Along with its star, Henry Cavill, the upcoming film brings back Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane. The new Batman has yet to be cast.

Snyder is co-writing the story with David S. Goyer, who will then pen the screenplay. Production is expected to begin in 2014, with an anticipated release date in Summer 2015.

Silverman stated, “Zack Snyder is an incredibly talented filmmaker, but beyond that, he’s a fan first and he utterly gets this genre. We could not think of anyone better suited to the task of bringing these iconic Super Heroes to the screen in his own way.” Kroll added, “We are thrilled to be back in business with Zack and his team on this next movie. The success of ‘Man of Steel’ is a wonderful testament to the love and support that both fans and new audiences, worldwide, have for these characters. We are very excited to see what Zack has in store for all of us.” Diane Nelson, President, DC Entertainment, noted,“Superman and Batman together on the big screen is a dream come true for DC fans everywhere. All of us at DC Entertainment could not be more excited for Zack’s continuing vision for the DC Universe.”

Zack Snyder, who made a surprise appearance at Comic-Con today, breaking the news to audiences there, later said, “I’m so excited to begin working again with Henry Cavill in the world we created, and I can’t wait to expand the DC Universe in this next chapter. Let’s face it, it’s beyond mythological to have Superman and our new Batman facing off, since they are the greatest Super Heroes in the world.”The new film brings back Charles Roven and Deborah Snyder as producers. This time, Christopher Nolan and Emma Thomas are serving as executive producers, along with Benjamin Melniker and Michael E. Uslan.Thomas offered, “Whilst our Dark Knight trilogy is complete, we have every confidence that Zack’s fresh interpretation will take the character in a new and exciting direction. His vision for Superman opened the door to a whole new universe and we can’t wait to see what Zack does with these characters.” The film is based on Superman characters created by Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster, and Batman characters created by Bob Kane, published by DC Entertainment.

This was announced by way of the reading of a line from "The Dark Knight Returns" which, as you may remember, has Batman kicking superman's ass.

Now, it was pretty clearly stated that the new movie would NOT be based off this... however, it brings up speculation.

How are they going to build up from Man of Steel and using superman as device to reboot Batman? Can there be 2 superman movies without Lex Luthor?

For Batman to work against Superman, Kryptonite will have to be introduced. Also the action will have to be scaled down unless Batman has a Orbital laser...

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Also the action will have to be scaled down unless Batman has a Orbital laser...

You say that as though there was any serious possibility that the filmmakers weren't going to give him an orbital laser.

[Magus]

I'm sure fans will complain about this move despite this being what they all said they wanted, a World's Finest movie before any attempt to make a Justice League.

My only trepidation is Snyder's involvement since I thought about 1/3 of Man of Steel was terrible.

[Dracorion]

My only problem with this is David S. Goyer is still around.

[POS Industries]

My only problem with this is David S. Goyer is still around.
This right here. The movie's going to be mediocre at best and horrifyingly bad at worst.

[Amake]

Is it just me who thinks "gets the genre" is code for "thinks comics that never end but get infinitely watered down as they're passed between generation after generation of writers and artists are the best thing ever"? Not that I'm bitter about dull-ass comics about Hulk, Spider-man, Superman and Batman turning out like fifty movies while Death the High Cost of Living stays in development hell for ten years with no end in sight, oh no.

[Bells]

i must say i'm a bit more surprised to the fact that nobody here reacted badly to the fact that they are using "Dark Knight Returns" as the stepping platform to launch superman 2

[POS Industries]

Is it just me who thinks "gets the genre" is code for "thinks comics that never end but get infinitely watered down as they're passed between generation after generation of writers and artists are the best thing ever"? Not that I'm bitter about dull-ass comics about Hulk, Spider-man, Superman and Batman turning out like fifty movies while Death the High Cost of Living stays in development hell for ten years with no end in sight, oh no.
Oh, quite the opposite. Whenever a filmaker for a comic book movie is described as someone who "gets the genre," they invariably prove that they have no idea what they're doing.

[Magus]

i must say i'm a bit more surprised to the fact that nobody here reacted badly to the fact that they are using "Dark Knight Returns" as the stepping platform to launch superman 2

Except that every single analysis of that particular panel I have read has concluded that the quote was simply used as a rhetorical device and the plot of The Dark Knight Returns is not conclusively in any way shape or form actually been announced to be influencing the plot of this movie except maybe that Batman and Superman get in a fight at some point.

[Bells]

Oh the influence is there... it's just a matter of what angle they are working out off. I mean, it's a Superman movie with Batman in it. Not a 50/50 movie or a batman movie, so you don't want batman taking stage center.

One speculative thread is that Lex Luthor tricks superman into "repenting" for the damage he has done by becoming essentially his lap dog while luthor rebuilds the city. Bruce wayne as a competitor millionare comes to the scene to break Luthor's plot down, and Luthor sets superman after Batman, as they clash.

Eventually Luthor is revelead as the real bad guy and Superman turns around to help Batman take him down.

[Magus]

Wouldn't that further the damage Snyder has done to Superman's image by making him into an incredibly dumb person?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Bells, dude, where the hell do you keep coming up with this stuff?

They're pushing Superman as an ultra badass decision-maker. Putting him in the bitch role would undo the movie they spent hundreds of millions of dollars on. The quote was simply to set the mood of a conflict in a movie they haven't even written yet.

[Bells]

It just really seems weird to me to put that thought on the crowds mind and not touch that route. The conflict will exist, that goes without saying... just cause its a big popular crossover line?

[Azisien]

I think DC could create something beautiful, they just need to take David S. Goyer back behind the barn and, y'know... Props for Batman Begins, props for The Dark Knight. Now go away.

After three viewings of Man of Steel, I've decided it's a fantastic movie held far back by an atrocious script. I believe this trend will most likely continue in the future.

[Magus]

I think DC could create something beautiful, they just need to take David S. Goyer back behind the barn and, y'know... Props for Batman Begins, props for The Dark Knight. Now go away.

After three viewings of Man of Steel, I've decided it's a fantastic movie held far back by an atrocious script. I believe this trend will most likely continue in the future.

They should send him to the farm upstate where hacky screenwriters can run free in their old age. He can keep Damon Lindelof company.

[Flarecobra]

I don't think you will like this. (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/ben-affleck-cast-batman-man-steel-sequel-014500476.html)

I seriously do not see Ben Affleck at Batman...

[Azisien]

They could do a lot worse. I'm tired of my lean Batman though. Ben better bulk the fuck up.

He's a pretty good actor, though. Good age, good fitness level. I'll take it.

[Magus]

Batfleck (http://www.avclub.com/articles/ben-affleck-is-the-batman-you-deserve-right-now-ap,101999/)

I just

I don't even

[Aerozord]

I dont really see must issue with him as batman. Its more indifference. Perhaps because, besides Adam West's Batman you dont really go to Batman movies to see Batman. Its more about what Batman is put up against.

[Ryong]

I have a circle of friends who are comic book fans who are going nuts over it, blasted through the five stages of grief already and are now doing the same with the Lobo redesign.

I also predicted the crash of the super hero movie industry to be in 2015, but I guess it'll be sooner!

[Magus]

I for one go to Batman movies to see Batman. I mean, I get what you mean about the appeal of the villains, but there is also a lot about Batman's character and psyche that I want to see.

I have a circle of friends who are comic book fans who are going nuts over it, blasted through the five stages of grief already and are now doing the same with the Lobo redesign.

I also predicted the crash of the super hero movie industry to be in 2015, but I guess it'll be sooner!

What do you mean, Lobo redesign--

*googles*

...what the fuck.

WHAT

THE

FUCK

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SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK

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I CAN'T FUCKING PROCESS THIS

[Aldurin]

I have no hope for this, but if the DC side of the super hero movie industry crashes then it's not THAT much of a loss.

[Aerozord]

I for one go to Batman movies to see Batman. I mean, I get what you mean about the appeal of the villains, but there is also a lot about Batman's character and psyche that I want to see.

To check, stuff you want to see, or stuff you have seen?

I get what you are saying but in my opinion they dont really do that in the movies. They seem to mostly gloss over or just re-harsh what was in the Tim Burton movie. I dont care too much because I have little hope this Batman would interest me to begin with.

[akaSM]

I for one go to Batman movies to see Batman. I mean, I get what you mean about the appeal of the villains, but there is also a lot about Batman's character and psyche that I want to see.



What do you mean, Lobo redesign--

*googles*

...what the fuck.

WHAT

THE

FUCK

---------- Post added at 01:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:15 AM ----------

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK

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I CAN'T FUCKING PROCESS THIS

Stop overreacting, it cannot be that bad.

*googles*

:confused:
:raise:
:argh:
:crossarms:
:crying:
^_^

[Magus]

To check, stuff you want to see, or stuff you have seen?

I get what you are saying but in my opinion they dont really do that in the movies. They seem to mostly gloss over or just re-harsh what was in the Tim Burton movie. I dont care too much because I have little hope this Batman would interest me to begin with.

All three if the Nolan films delved deeply into his psyche, especially the first and last one, so I don't understand what you mean about glossing it over. The Burton films (well the second one did a little better job) mostly glossed it over.

[Aerozord]

All three if the Nolan films delved deeply into his psyche, especially the first and last one, so I don't understand what you mean about glossing it over. The Burton films (well the second one did a little better job) mostly glossed it over.

I admittedly never really liked those movies, I know shock of shocks, so I am admittedly bias to whatever they brought in. I didn't see anything new or interesting in that Batman

[Amake]

It's been a while since I saw the Tim Burton movies but I seem to recall they did a great job of showing, in direct if maybe somewhat open to interpretation terms, what the Nolan narrative spends twelve thousand million hours talking and talking and talking about to make sure and cover everything interesting the audience may have to say about them.

[Magus]

The second one did a much better job because it delved into his loneliness and his relationship towards Catwoman, which culminates in the ending scene where he tears his mask off. He also compares and contrasts himself with Penguin because they are both orphans.

The first one though did nothing to really go into Batman's psyche other than he wants revenge on the man who killed his parents, and that's the Joker, so they fight.

[Azisien]

I heard a rumour that one of the stipulations of Affleck signing up was he got a say (unknown how much) in the screenplay. This raises my interest because I (obviously at this point) hate Goyer's writing, it was my main beef with Man of Steel and I have no point he'll run Batman vs. Superman into the ground too without a pony hand guiding him in the right direction.

Not that Affleck is the best screenwriter ever, but Good Will Hunting, Gone Baby Gone, and The Town are decent entries on the resume.

[Magus]

Well with The Town he gave himself 30 minutes of monologues so we can expect Batman to do more of that now I guess.

[Bells]

He also directed Argo and acted on it, and it was really good.

So maybe he has more of a role in directing the thing than writing it.

Either way, the guy has range. It would be silly to have him in a project this big and not have his input on SOMETHING. So i'm sure he'll pitch in.

[Doc ock rokc]

Yeah he did do Argo didn't he... I hope he doesn't fuck it up.

[Magus]

He has range. Between a redwood and an oak.























What I'm saying is his acting is wooden.

[Aerozord]

It just occurred to me how sad it is that in a movie thats technically a Superman movie with Batman in it, we aren't saying much about Superman

[Bells]

He has range. Between a redwood and an oak.

What I'm saying is his acting is wooden.

Batman is wooden! He ranges between Broody and Scowly!

Batman in Batman movies is consistently the less interesting part of the movies... now that he is co-star in a superman movie, even more so!


It just occurred to me how sad it is that in a movie thats technically a Superman movie with Batman in it, we aren't saying much about Superman

Well people keep saying that this Superman kinda sucks... so i would imagine there isn't much to say to the guy. Superman is pretty much a reaction to the scenario around him... since we don't know the scenario of Man of Steel 2, it's kinda hard to comment.

[tacticslion]

No. No, forget that nonsense. I don't want this new and incredibly different Lobo to live. At all. I want him to die in a fire.

He looks atrocious and stupid. And dumb. And stupid.

Ugh.

Insert more words as appropriate.

(To be clear, the only thing wrong with the design itself is that it's attached to Lobo, which indicates that the designers don't get the character, appeal, or nature of Lobo at all; the design itself, were it for, say, a new character entirely, is actually kind of interesting.)

Actually on topic.

Personally, I'm rather surprised they're so quickly adding a new hero to a current hero's movie. It's not inherently a bad move, but it is a surprising one, to me, and it seems fraught with potential danger.

[Aerozord]

He looks atrocious and stupid. And dumb. And stupid.


To be fair atrocious and stupid does describe Lobo pretty well.

[tacticslion]

To be fair atrocious and stupid does describe Lobo pretty well.

... you may have a point. But it's buried under all the "male model" that the redesign has all over it.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

DC is addressing the all the women have the same body issue by applying said to the male characters.

Problem solved in DC's book!

[tacticslion]

DC is addressing the all the women have the same body issue by applying said to the male characters.

Problem solved in DC's book!

:/

[Bum Bill Bee]

I agree with Taticslion. :/ for me too.

[Bard The 5th LW]

It just occurred to me how sad it is that in a movie thats technically a Superman movie with Batman in it, we aren't saying much about Superman

No one's talking about Superman because his character was literally a bag of hammers in Man of Steel.

[Magus]

The Lobo redesign is atrocious and dumb in all the wrong ways.

[Aerozord]

NOOOOOOOOOO I SAW THE LOBO REDESIGN BY ACCIDENT!!!

I wanted to go my whole life not knowing how horrible it was! Its so freakin generic its like anti-lobo