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Krylo
11-05-2013, 02:31 AM
Rusty Hearts is a Free to Play and Free to Download MMO side scrolling brawler, in the vein of Dungeon Fighter Online/Streets of Rage/Whatever, though it uses 3D models rather than the sprites traditionally used in this genre, which means you aren't always strictly side scrolling.

I play on the East server.

Let's talk about it for awhile!

Gameplay is what you'd expect from the genre. Move from room to room, beating up everyone inside of them with various attacks. Controls are remappable, but by default x is attack, z is guard, c is grab, v is cancel, directional keys to move, double tap a direction to dodge, and ASDFGH are special attacks while F1-F4 are where your buffs generally go. 1-6 on the top of the keyboard host potions. Which I never use.

A timed guard will be a 'Just Guard' and negate all damage, rather than a percentage, and will allow you to use a special counter attack by following it with X. These are generally pretty hard to pull off as guard doesn't cancel your other animations by itself--you have to V->Z or be ready for it in advance.

Most classes get invincibility frames on their dodges. Meilin gets more than anyone else, while Natasha doesn't get any, however.

Further, your special attacks cancel into/out of each other and your normal attacks, but not all of them will cancel into or out of everything, making learning which attacks to use in which order to cancel your wind down animations and chain combos important to gameplay. Experimentation and practice are key.

It's not a particularly difficult game, however. At least not unless you're on 'Blood Mode', the highest difficulty for most dungeons, which is locked until level 13, gives no experience, but gives better loot. It's the only place to get Epic (purple) gear once you're higher level (low level blood modes don't drop epics, but do drop golds.)

Speaking of which, Gear Quality is White -> Green -> Blue -> Gold -> Purple. Which reverse gold and purple from most MMOs, so be aware of that.

There's four classes in the game, though each is presented as a character, rather than a class. Which limits character customization to costume choices, though all but Natasha (the newest class) have alternate characters you can use.

These alternates also have subtly different gameplay due to different animations, but it's pretty similar.


The classes are, along with footage:

Frantz (Twin Swords/Leila):
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Frantz types (Frantz, a brooding vampire; Roselle, a. . . poorly dressed swordswoman; Leila, a gothic lolita character) have a choice between Swords, Twin Swords, and Axes.

Swords are one of the simpler weapons to learn, and attack fairly quickly with decent range.

Twin Swords are fast attack AoE monsters but don't hit quite as hard as swords.

Axes are slow heavy hitting weapons with a chance to stun.

I've only played sword, and not far enough to get to focus so I can't say much else.

Angela (Glaive):
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Angela Types (Angela, red headed sorceress; Edgar, some kid) have a choice between Magic Sword, Glaive, and Scythe.

The Sword is a relatively powerful weapon which gets lots of focus on healing when focused. Basically your white mage + controller, in so much as a brawler can have one. Still has pretty good damage, though. It's a bit slow.

The Glaive is about as slow as the sword, but gets lots of range, and many attacks hit multiple times. Focused on range, giving many of the spells extra range when used with it.

The Scythe is an AoE murder machine. Reaping foes and all that.

I've got a Sword to Weapon Focus, and a glaive at 16ish. Have one I intend to make a scyther, as well, as all three weapons were fun when I tried them before focus, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Tude (Gauntlets/Meilin):
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Tude Types (Tude, a vagrant;Meilin, a wandering martial arts girl) get a choice between Gauntlets, Claws, and Demon Fists.

Gauntlets are all about hitting quickly while chaining combos. A gauntlet focus can take any enemy that's staggerable and stun lock them to death, including many bosses.

Claws are about as close to AoE as the punchfists get. They also do a lot of bleeds.

Demon Fists are about hitting hard. Very Very hard. They're slow, though, and it looks like you're just tying slabs of metal to your forearms, which could be a bonus or a negative depending on your viewpoint.

Gauntlet Focused Meilin is one of my highest level characters. Didn't play with claws or demon fists too much.

Natasha (Revolver):
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Natasha has no alternate avatars. All guns to Natasha, goddess of bullets. She has a choice between Revolvers, Muskets (actually rifles), and Weapon Bag.

Revolvers are about getting in, shooting all the things, and getting out fast. It's a very mobile and acrobatic playstyle, especially after weapon focus, which allows you to shoot during your dodge roll.

Muskets/Rifles are about maintaining range and blasting things. They're slow firing, and make movement somewhat difficult. I didn't like them and never got to focus, though I've heard they get much better after focusing.

Weapon Bags are a bag/suitcase full of weapons. Pre-focus they're a bit lackluster. You just tap x, and you've got a gatling gun. It works great if you don't mind standing still and blasting things. Also if there's no archers. It's very weak against ranged enemies, however, as it's basically impossible to dodge anything, and it's difficult to shoot archers and mages through the wall of melee mobs that are usually in the way.

However, that's all pre-focus. Post-focus, weapon bags become completely fantastic, turning into a jet bike loaded with guns to shoot and ram through enemies, allowing you to fire canons, and throw grenades left and right, pul out rocket launchers, and all kinds of other things.

My highest level character is a Revolver Natasha, and Weapon Bag I just got to weapon focus recently.

There is a cash shop. That's how free to play works. There's not any real pay to win stuff on it, however, so that's good.

It's mostly just costumes for character customization (which do come with some minor stat boosts, but I have characters in full outfits and wearing nothing at all, and haven't noticed a discernible difference).

The one thing that might be a turn off here is that resetting your skill points requires an item from the cash shop that sells for about 13 dollars. You do get one free reset when you weapon focus, however (which makes sense as your talent tree changes completely). This is something of an aggravation, though, considering it's difficult to know what moves to buy right away.

You'll end up google searching it or wading into the forums which are awful.

There's more!? Well not really.

But let's take a second to talk about the writing and VA.

They're awful. The writing, at least, gets some laughs now and then, so that's a bonus, but the VA is poorly acted, and the way scenes are cut sometimes you get the wrong VA line coming out, or lines talking over each other.

So basically awful. Be prepared for that

Well, that all sounds pretty cool, but what's the point, you say? Or maybe you just didn't read it and want to get to the point of all this?

Either way, the point is to get you to go to Steam and grab this game. You can look me up and we can go kill demons or whatever.

. . .You can totally get sunglasses for your avatar, but the items to craft them require a group. This may or may not be a significant percentage of my reason for making this thread.

But regardless of my impure intentions, it's a pretty fun game and you should play it.

Now.

Seil
11-05-2013, 03:30 AM
I think you should know that I was all set to rep you because I particularly liked the thread title, but apparently the rep system doesn't believe in favoritism.

Krylo
11-05-2013, 08:02 AM
It's okay, Seil. After all a true poster has a rep gem in their heart.

Also, I forgot.

Character names for you to bug me if you get it--

First: Steam, Krylokillian so you can bug me even if I'm not currently in game (so long as I'm at the computer).

Then, from highest to lowest level as of posting:

Sinasis: Level 25 Revolver Natasha.

NanAherne: Level 24 Gauntlet Meilin.

Neasa: Level 21 Weapon Bag Natasha

Siakas: Level 20 Magic Sword Angela

Kharmasis: Level 16 Roselle (planning to focus Sword)

Silasis: Level 16 Angela (planning to focus Glaive)

Malira: Level 2 Angela (Planning to focus Scythe)

synkr0nized
11-05-2013, 01:57 PM
To make sure I am reading / seeing this correctly:
When you pick a class, you only have a few pre-defined avatar options, as opposed to creating your own character after choosing a class?

My characters do the same thing as everyone else of that class in other MMOs, but at least they get to look the way I decide I want them to; I realize this is a vain and, for some, stupid thing to hold against a game.


Gameplay-wise it still looks like it might be worth a look, especially since free is a terrific price. I wasn't impressed by the revolver gameplay (it looked stale with the charge-shot and rolling-shot over and over), but I could see myself having fun with dual swords or a scythe -- especially if there were ranged spells mixed into the skillset.

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I already have a PWE account, from back when Cryptic's STO went f2p under PWE in late 2011/early 2012. Would you still be able to get a referral off of me? I am pretty sure if I download this I can manage to get to level 10 at some point.

MuMu
11-05-2013, 02:18 PM
I've created an Angela, Tude and Natasha and Nat was by far the most boring of them all. There might be new stuff down the road, but the beginning with just the pistols is terrible.

I'd join if I didn't already have far too many games to play.

Aldurin
11-05-2013, 05:41 PM
I remember trying this a while back, can't remember why I stopped though it was probably the writing and stuff that Kry mentioned. I might consider getting back into it but I share MuMu's problem.

Krylo
11-05-2013, 05:47 PM
To make sure I am reading / seeing this correctly:
When you pick a class, you only have a few pre-defined avatar options, as opposed to creating your own character after choosing a class?Unfortunately true. It's not something I particularly care for either, but the only action mmorpg I've seen that actually had character customization is Tera (which is also pretty good and I should play it more).

On the bright side, various outfits and hairs can make you look pretty different.


Gameplay-wise it still looks like it might be worth a look, especially since free is a terrific price. I wasn't impressed by the revolver gameplay (it looked stale with the charge-shot and rolling-shot over and over), but I could see myself having fun with dual swords or a scythe -- especially if there were ranged spells mixed into the skillset.I find that, in practice, the mobility makes up for the repeated ability use. Though the guns do make the earlier dungeons even less engaging before the game introduces more enemy types.

And probably isn't for everyone, anyway. S'why I put up videos of level 35+ runs. Though it's impossible to find them without over geared characters who one-shot everything.

That said, Angela does, indeed have ranged spells as do Frantz types. Angela starts with one and gets a few others, depending on weapon focus. Frantz gets his a few levels in.

If you do go with twin swords: grab Roselle, just because her engrish combat VA is hilarious.

Also you start with the base weapon of every class, getting access to their other weapons at levels 5 and 8.

I already have a PWE account, from back when Cryptic's STO went f2p under PWE in late 2011/early 2012. Would you still be able to get a referral off of me? I am pretty sure if I download this I can manage to get to level 10 at some point.I honestly have no idea as I've not looked into the referral stuff at all. I'd do it now but on my phone at work and just posting this is using all of my patience for phone browsers.

synkr0nized
11-06-2013, 01:51 AM
Thank you for those responses!

I am less thrilled about trying the game out, though, after looking into it more -- seems to be a long-dying game that has never officially ended and lacks staff support.

Still, it's free.

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hahaha oh man
The people who still post on the RH forum must be all over the autism spectrum. laffo (http://rustyhearts-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=295911)

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Hmm, that may not be fair -- they could also just all be 15 years old and younger.

Krylo
11-06-2013, 02:05 AM
I'd have mentioned that, but I know people play PWE games here and I figured they'd know that it is what it is.

Though I DID point out the forums were awful.

Edit: Really tho, just make a Roselle, and use Sword Upper.

Worth it just for that.

rpgdemon
11-06-2013, 11:01 AM
SYNK, 1S TH1S YOU (http://rustyhearts-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3243121&postcount=33)

Revising Ocelot
11-06-2013, 11:56 AM
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synkr0nized
11-07-2013, 11:52 PM
SYNK, 1S TH1S YOU (http://rustyhearts-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3243121&postcount=33)

Everything that is red on the Internet is me.

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Edit: Really tho, just make a Roselle, and use Sword Upper.

Worth it just for that.

currently patching so that I can do this, bee tee dubbayou

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oh my god, it let my screensaver come on (gamepad doesn't prevent idle), and that totally froze the screen

gg Cryptic Windysoft

edit: Or even just alt-tabbing the game

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I also don't seem to be able to re-map my gamepad, but that might just be because Steam hates the PS2 controller.

Krylo
11-08-2013, 12:02 AM
oh my god, it let my screensaver come on (gamepad doesn't prevent idle), and that totally froze the screen

gg Cryptic Windysoft

edit: Or even just alt-tabbing the gameNever had that happen in RH, though I play windowed mode and I've had it happen in other games when I play full screen (but not windowed).

. . . I don't play anything full screen, anymore, though. I enjoy multi-tasking too much.

I also don't seem to be able to re-map my gamepad, but that might just be because Steam hates the PS2 controller.It uh, actually works really weird, probably so you can map to pressing multiple buttons at the same time easily, but you have to hold down the button for a second or two.

I actually recommend sticking to a keyboard, anyway, though. There's just too many buttons you need easy access to after like level 15 for a PS2/PS3/360 controller to really work well.

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Send a whisper to Sinasis, btw.

synkr0nized
11-08-2013, 01:52 AM
It happens regardless of windowed or fullscreen. As for the controller, there are only 6 action skills at a time, and the buffs are by default on the d-pad. So the only "difficult" part is remembering which of my PS2 controller's buttons they consider is "B" so I know how to get to the latter three (1-3 are on shoulder buttons, 4-6 are the same buttons plus "B", which is the X button; while "X" is the triangle).

Also I friend-requested one of your characters. Sinasis, I believe.

I don't get the skill tree yet. But I am level 8 or so and looking forward to dual-swords.


Also, fuck you for "Soda Pop." It's all I hear. And these outfits... If you aren't playing a lolicon you apparently don't get clothing as a female character.


Gettin' SSS and SS ranks, so I guess I am mashing kind of right. I assume this is all chump-levels of easy until later dungeons though.

Krylo
11-08-2013, 06:27 AM
Yeah, it works. I just found it really awkward doing the button + other button, in comparison to just pressing the buttons. Particularly when trying to combo and dodge roll around.

Also, Angela gets the best clothing options. From what I've looked at.

Haven't looked at the gothic lolita character, 'cause it's not my thing.

Nat's not bad for clothing either, but everything on the shop is pretty meh. Meilin's okay too, but she wears nothing but cheongsams, so customization isn't really there.

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Oh, on ranking:

Ranking is determined by a few factors. Firstly, chain hits/combos add to your 'style' score. Then, on top of that, you get a bonus, a rather large one, for one shotting enemies, or killing a group of enemies in a short enough time frame (chain killing). You also get a more modest bonus for air juggles.

Every stage then has a 'style threshold' you have to hit for every rank.

Then it takes the number of times you're hit, and adjusts the threshold so that if you take more hits you need more style. At 16 hits your rank is automatically adjusted down one level, making triple S no longer possible.

The primary reason to bother ranking is because you get a bonus 'rare card' at the end if you SSS on normal, SSS or SS on hard, and SSS, SS, or S on Very Hard. Gold card for SSS on Very Hard, Silver for SS on Very Hard/SSS on Hard, etc.

Gold cards = gold gear, and silver cards = blue gear if you pick the right card at the end. Basically SSS ranking on VH gives you a chance for some sweet gear at the end of the stage.

Well that and pride and honor.

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Found a Revolver Natasha vid where she's not horribly overleveled/geared for the area. Gives a better idea of her actual playstyle.

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synkr0nized
11-08-2013, 06:20 PM
OK that gunplay is a bit more sexy. I should give it a try, as well as Angela for scythe/glaive action. Though "magic sword" could be neat!

Thanks for the clarification on the ranking system. I had some assumptions, some of which were correct, but it's useful to know how to approach a fight with ranks in mind (especially since it appears some quests will require a certain rank clear).


Also I've noticed that after leaving the small town in the forest with the hooded little girl giving me orders I now seem to be seeing Frantz and Angela in my story dialogue instead of Roselle.


Do you have any suggestions for how to skill build dual-swords? Like which tree is best at first, etc.?
I see this as similar to Castle Crashers or other arcade-style romps -- something I can easily drop in and play now and again, even if I don't ever devote much time to it like I do with STO or GW2.

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Also my Roselle appears to be bugged. She canot do anything other than Canals B2 in the sewer dungeons, with the reason "Must be Lv.2 or higher. Quest None QuestTitle - 101001 has been completed or is still in progress" being shown.

So I guess she can't save the guy in the Lower Power plant area that I just saved on an Angela character in order to go meet Nadia... whom I have already spoken to on the Rosella after being warped into town outside of her office.

Just dropped all I could off of her and remade. I was only level 10 anyway.

Krylo
11-08-2013, 10:11 PM
The Sewers are the beginning area for the primary avatars (Frantz, Tude, Angela, and Natasha). All the alternates, (Leillwhatever, Roselle, Edgar, Meilin) get the forest, instead, and can't go past B2 in the Canals.

You just go to the castle wine cellar after the woods.

synkr0nized
11-08-2013, 10:38 PM
Ugh, OK, so I could have just kept going. I thought that message meant I had done something out of order, and I was comparing it to another character (granted a "primary avatar" character, so I know it was flawed).

In any case I don't think this is some amazing, groundbreaking game but I am having fun and will probably keep playing it. So thanks for the thread and recommendation! I feel it has been worth the time spent so far.

Krylo
11-08-2013, 11:51 PM
No, it's definitely not ground breaking. It's basically DFO with 3D sprites. And some amateur hour bullshit with the translations.

Thing is it's impossible to find this kind of gameplay in NA and, to a lesser extent, Europe, anymore.