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Seil
03-20-2014, 07:03 PM
Link (http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/03/westboro-baptist-church-founder-fred-phelps-dead-at-84/#.UysMDtX805w.facebook)

TOPEKA, Kan. — Anti-gay extremist Fred Phelps, founder of the Westboro Baptist Church and the “Gods Hate Fags” fundamentalist movement, has died, according to family members.

Phelps, who was 84, died around midnight Wednesday.

Throughout his life, Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, a small congregation made up almost entirely of his extended family, tested the boundaries of free speech, violating accepted societal standards for decency in their unapologetic assault on gays and lesbians. In the process, some believe he even helped the cause of gay rights by serving as such a provocative symbol of intolerance.

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Phelps believed any misfortune, most infamously the deaths of American soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, was God’s punishment for society’s tolerance of homosexuality. He and his followers carried forward their message bluntly, holding held signs at funerals and public events that read “God hates fags” and “Thank God for dead soldiers.” God, he preached, had nothing but anger and bile for the moral miscreants of his creation.

Phelps was born in Meridian, Miss., in 1929. In May 1946, at the age of 16, he graduated from high school and was accepted to the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, but in January 1947, Phelps abandoned plans to go to West Point and enrolled at Bob Jones University, a conservative religious college. He dropped out after only three semesters.

At age 17, Phelps was ordained as a Southern Baptist minister.

In 1951, he earned a two-year degree from John Muir College. While at John Muir, Phelps was profiled in Time magazine for preaching against “sins committed on campus by students and teachers … promiscuous petting … evil language … profanity … cheating … teachers’ filthy jokes in classrooms … [and] pandering to the lusts of the flesh”.

He met his wife, Margie Simms, after he delivered a sermon in Arizona, and they were married in 1952.

Phelps later went on to become an award-winning civil rights attorney after earning his law degree from Washburn University in 1964.

Eventually he was disbarred from the Kansas Supreme Court in 1979 and lost his license to practice law in federal courts in 1989. It was shortly thereafter that Phelps and his family launched their crusade against gays, when it sought a crackdown on homosexual activity at a local park six blocks from the church in 1991.

Phelps and his church came into the national spotlight in 1998, when it picketed at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, an openly gay student at the University of Wyoming who was tortured near Laramie, Wyo., in October 1998, then tied to a fence and left to die.

After that he gained world-wide notoriety for picketing the funerals of U.S. servicemen killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The activities of Phelps’ church, unaffiliated with any larger denomination, also inspired a federal law and laws in more than 40 states limiting protests and picketing at funerals. He and a daughter were even barred from entering Britain for inciting hatred.

But in a major free-speech ruling in 2011, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the church and its members were protected by the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment and could not be sued for monetary damages for inflicting pain on grieving families.

Phelps’ final weeks were shrouded in mystery. A long-estranged son, Nathan Phelps, said his father had been voted out of the congregation in the summer of 2013 “after some sort of falling out,” but the church refused to discuss the matter.

Throughout Phelps’ life, Westboro remained a small congregation of less than 100 members, most related to the patriarch or one of his 13 children by blood or marriage. Its website says people are free to visit weekly services to get more information, though the congregation can vote at any time to remove a member who they decide is no longer a recipient of God’s grace.

The church’s building in central Topeka is surrounded by a wooden fence, and family members are neighbors, their yards enclosed by the same style of fence in a manner that suggests a sealed-off compound.

Most of his children were unflinchingly loyal, with some following their father into the law. While some estranged family members reported experiencing severe beatings and verbal abuse as children, the children who defended their father said his discipline was in line with biblical standards and never rose to the level of abuse.

In a 2005 interview, Phelps said that Christians who refuse to condemn gay people as he did are “all going to hell.”

“The Westboro Baptist Church is probably the vilest hate group in the United the State of America,” Heidi Beirich, research director for the Montgomery, Ala.-based Southern Poverty Law Center, told The Associated Press in July 2011. “No one is spared, and they find people at their worst, most terrible moments of grief, and they throw this hate in their faces. It’s so low.”

I'm at school, so I'm rushing this here. While a man is dead and that's sad, he did spread a lot of hate and ignorance, and his family is still going to continue that.

Who's up for picketing his funeral?

Flarecobra
03-20-2014, 07:46 PM
If you ask me, the best way to deal with this...

Ignore it. Don't give his group the benefit of attention.

synkr0nized
03-20-2014, 08:21 PM
If you ask me, the best way to deal with this...

Ignore it. Don't give his group the benefit of attention.

I had nothing to add, so just empty-quoting this

Grandmaster_Skweeb
03-20-2014, 08:30 PM
While a man is dead and that's sad

Animal abuse is sad. A child being denied healthcare is sad.

A hatemongering cancerous cumstain of a human who dies is not sad. In fact it makes my day all the better. Hell, if I knew where the gravestone is I'd risk public indecency and piss on it.

Amake
03-20-2014, 08:59 PM
If there's a single person who will miss him, that's sad, and I feel for them, and I hope the indoctrination wears off sooner rather than later.

But I doubt it. The only sad things here I think are a) that he died without admitting he never hated anyone (http://kanewj.com/wbc/), and b) Westboro Baptist will probably survive. Hate continues to be a good business. Still, the world is a little more bright today, and I don't feel the smallest bit of guilt for celebrating.

This is how you prove your utter lack of value to the human race. This is what an absolute negative contribution to the world looks like. Fred Phelps set a perfect example of what you shouldn't do. Look upon his works, ye mighty, and take warning.

Osterbaum
03-20-2014, 09:15 PM
Good fucking riddance.

Shyria Dracnoir
03-20-2014, 09:35 PM
On a completely unrelated note, March 20 is also the birthday of Fred "Mr." Rogers (http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/pittsburgh-celebrates-fred-rogers-birthday/nfHj9/)

Red Mage Black
03-21-2014, 01:06 AM
Damn, missed this by 5 hours, what a drag. It's pretty funny, really. There's three things I follow:

1) Like love, hate is an attracting force. Whether consciously or subconsciously, you'll always seek out the thing you hate if only to find more reasons to hate it.

2) There's no other way to show there's something you don't like or don't particularly care for other than constantly obsessing over it.

3) People avoid the things they loathe.

As much as they say, "Don't speak ill of the dead," I just can't find it in my heart to pretend I actually care. Considering the old coot is dead, maybe they'll finally fade into obsolescence. Unless his progeny are going to continue the outdated practices. Lets just hope they bury him with the rest of his legacy.

Osterbaum
03-21-2014, 07:25 AM
"Don't speak ill of the dead" is a pretty dumb saying anyway! Don't feel bad for not abiding by it. I mean, if you're a gaping asshole while you're alive why should death suddenly insulate you from all criticism?

POS Industries
03-21-2014, 01:48 PM
And nothing of value was lost.

Menarker
03-21-2014, 02:24 PM
A most fitting epitaph for someone who dedicated his every private and public moments to indoctrinating and practicing a belief of intolerance, hatred and derision of the dignity of life. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9Jn8K8EA7-Q)

Bum Bill Bee
03-21-2014, 02:36 PM
I just feel apathy for hearing this.

I'm not sad, because this is the loss of a guy who did little to no good in his life.

I'm not rejoicing because his death does not reverse whatever damage he's done, nor prevents new assholes from arising.

However I'm okay with him being mocked. Dying does not erase any mock-worthy things one has done in his life.

Red Mage Black
03-21-2014, 02:52 PM
And I just thought of this not too long ago, but can we salt the earth where he's buried(or will be)? That kinda hatred tends to bring back horrible evil things, like poltergeists and vengeful zombies. Maybe even find a Catholic Priest, Rabbi and Shaman to consecrate it. You can never be too careful.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk
03-21-2014, 05:40 PM
Maybe even find a Catholic Priest, Rabbi and Shaman to consecrate it. You can never be too careful.

Would it not be more prudent to ritually desecrate the place? Daubing his tombstone with graphic images of penises and homoerotic insults to the man seems more fitting to me. Although I could also get behind the salting too.

I would also not be adverse to anyone using his final resting place as an open toilet. In fact I would encourage such behaviour.

Marc v4.0
03-21-2014, 05:42 PM
How about we just ignore him like history will

Shyria Dracnoir
03-21-2014, 10:50 PM
I like Marc's idea.

Bard The 5th LW
03-22-2014, 12:04 PM
How about we just ignore him like history will

^

Flarecobra
03-22-2014, 03:04 PM
*Looks at the 2nd post of the thread*

Marc v4.0
03-22-2014, 05:00 PM
Don't be jealous

Grandmaster_Skweeb
03-22-2014, 05:33 PM
See, I'm of the mind that ignoring and forgetting him and his ilk is letting them off too easy. It's effectively a free pass to be raging shitholes 'cause, y'know, people won't do anything if they're ignoring.

I want the Phelps to be remembered. Remembered for abusing legal loopholes to spread hate, harass the grieving victims, for being vile hatemongers and using freedom of speech and 'religious freedom' to do so.

They need not fade I to obscurity but remembered as a focal point that intolerance under the guise of bullshit religious abuse will not and should not be tolerated.

shiney
03-24-2014, 10:35 AM
Counter-protestors at the Lorde concert handled this the way it should have been. "Sorry for your loss." Respectful and completely undermining of the WBC's message of hate and intolerance, standing in stark juxtaposition. They (WBC) are being marginalized...people don't care about them anymore. And that is as it should be, and as it should have been.

Osterbaum
03-25-2014, 03:05 AM
If only the WBC had ever been the source of even a sizable fraction of the world's ills I might feel better about this.