"No, John. You are the Nazis." -- A Captain America: The Winter Soldier Thread

[Magus]

Guys. I think this movie was better than Iron Man 1. Guys. This movie? This movie was really, really good.

So. So good.

It's so good that if I tell you anything about it it'll just not even capture how good it was. So you have to watch it.

Seriously this is like '70s political thriller meets the Marvel-verse. It has Robert Redford AND Falcon. It has like character development and uh, themes. It has themes. Guys it has themes!

So. You know. Go watch it.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

On your left

[Death by Stabbing]

I really loved it! Just when you think that it won't top itself it totally does. Marvel is just getting better and better. There were a ton of 'oh shit!' moments and Falcon is just great. Finally we have a cool super hero who isn't a rich white guy in a movie. Plus forget jet packs, I want one of those Falcon wing packs. And the end battle is to chaotic makes Return of the Jedi's end battle look well ordered and polite. Yet you never lose the thread. You can tell who is doing what. I also loved all the little things like the detail of the Winter Soldier's arm. It has all these great sound effects to go with a great look. It's too bad they really didn't develop the man himself that much. I can't wait to see Guardians of the Galaxy because it will take the action off of Earth and into space. And in space they have lasers...Everything I know about space I learned from the James Bond film Moonraker.

Plus there was a special name drop that made me squeal. Yep, I'm a grown man who squealed in a movie theater.

[Seil]

Marvel has it's movies planned through 2028. (http://io9.com/marvel-has-its-movies-planned-through-2028-yes-2028-1557658600/+bricken)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Saw it yesterday, loved this movie, which is especially odd seeing as I thought the First Avenger was the weakest of the pre-Avengers movies. But this one is definately the strongest of the post-Avengers verse. Thor 2 was a bit meh and Ironman 3 annoyed me with its "twist," but was otherwise ok.

The twist in this though has just turned the whole series on its head. I can't wait to see how Agents of SHIELD deals with the fallout from this.

And that stinger at the end, holy shit can I just say I FUCKING CALLED IT on Loki's staff containing the Infinity Gem of Mind. Also Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch make their first appearances hell yeah!

And of course, that certain name dropped character that could also have huge implications later on too. You know the one I mean.

[Magus]

Plus there was a special name drop that made me squeal..

certain name dropped character that could also have huge implications later on too. You know the one I mean.

For those of you who like being spoiled: Dr. Strange

[walkertexasdruid]

Loved Captain America: Winter Soldier. :D

[Bard The 5th LW]

Okay I just watched this movie today and I mostly liked it, even though it adhered to a lot of cliches even while it tried to break others but there was one thing really bugging me:

At one point in the movie it mentioned that Black Widow apparently served the KGB at some point but its also claimed that she was born in 1984. The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, she would have been 7 years old. Did the Soviet Union just collapse much later in the Marvel Universe?

E: also how come no one ever aimed for Bucky's head or Cap's feet

[MuMu]

E: also how come no one ever aimed for Bucky's head

Natasha actually did, proving that the face armor was there for a reason and but after being demasked Bucky discards anyway, despite it clearly saving his life earlier.

Cap's feet

He's just that good at shielding.

At one point in the movie it mentioned that Black Widow apparently served the KGB at some point but its also claimed that she was born in 1984. The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, she would have been 7 years old. Did the Soviet Union just collapse much later in the Marvel Universe?

Considering Bucky is a Soviet supersoldier in the original comics, that probably isn't far from the truth. Also, Natasha was most likely a child soldier.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

This is also a universe in which Nazi super-scientists used an alien energy source to create laser tanks and singularity bombs in WWII, but were defeated by a genetically enhanced super soldier who sent their boss into space. I think the timing of the fall of the KGB may just be a little bit different in this alternate universe, and is probably the least of the historical accuracy issues.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Sure, its Sci-Fi and crazy, but WWII still ended in 1945, right? It'd be nice for one of the movies to explicitly put the fall of the USSR in like, 2009 or something if it did actually fall later. (If this happened in one of the films i didn't see then I suppose I am satisfied) Cause like, thats not just a historical inaccuracy, that's a RECENT historical inaccuracy. Its not like, misplacing the reign of the Han empire or something, this shit almost happened in my lifetime and DID happen in the lifetime of a large amount of viewers.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Widow did mention to Banner about how she started as a spy at a young age. Maybe the Soviet Union fell a little later in this universe, maybe it didn't, either way does it really matter much?

Even if it fell 5 years later, or hell even 10 at a push, it doesn't affect like, anything else at all.

[Magus]

Wasn't the FSB an immediate successor to the KGB and basically the same exact thing, maybe with slightly less torture and assassination? Maybe that's more what she meant.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Widow did mention to Banner about how she started as a spy at a young age. Maybe the Soviet Union fell a little later in this universe, maybe it didn't, either way does it really matter much?

Even if it fell 5 years later, or hell even 10 at a push, it doesn't affect like, anything else at all.

Many bloc nations still maintained their own KGB departments after the fall of the USSR, so it's probably just a game of semantics.

[Bum Bill Bee]

I absolutely loved how falcon was already expirienced at what he did, and he actually got to accomplish some stuff unlike a certain other black buddy from a different Marvel franchise.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The Falcon's character was pretty cool but I wish he was introduced in a better way then "Oh this is some dude who Cap was mildly chummy with like twice who is inexplicably devoted to the guy and would break the law on his behalf and is also a super hero btw."

[Magus]

My only issue with Falcon is I could see just from that that he would never hold his own movie, because he's basically a less powerful Iron Man.

[rpgdemon]

My only issue with Falcon is I could see just from that that he would never hold his own movie, because he's basically a less powerful Iron Man.

Yeah, when they were talking about the wingsuit, and how it was the last one left, I figured they'd be grabbing an Iron Man suit (Because Stark blew the rest up). After that, I just kept mentally comparing him to Ironman, and there was very little that he did that an Iron Man suit wouldn't be better at.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Okay but for all the bitching there were things I liked about this movie. I really appreciated how it actually did contradict the generally pro-military attitude of a lot of other action movies to a degree, and seemed critical of post-911 paranoia/surveillance. The fact that the 'Snarky and collected' dude who subverted the orders and desires of the seemingly ineffectual and obstructive council members was actually the villain was cool too. It called into question and subverted some of the usual tropes/themes of its genre and I thought it was pretty cool in those respects.

[Bum Bill Bee]

Okay but for all the bitching there were things I liked about this movie. I really appreciated how it actually did contradict the generally pro-military attitude of a lot of other action movies to a degree, and seemed critical of post-911 paranoia/surveillance. The fact that the 'Snarky and collected' dude who subverted the orders and desires of the seemingly ineffectual and obstructive council members was actually the villain. It called into question and subverted some of the usual tropes/themes of its genre and I thought it was pretty cool in those respects.

Yeah, totally agreed! And don't forget the big heroic mass infomation leaking thing. Manning and Snowden fans will have boners over that.

Wasn't dissing this at all, I loved this. One of the best superhero films yet!