Love is, indeed, a many splintered thing.

[froofmyster]

There's this girl I know, and we all know where this is going. To the point: I've had feeling for her for the last year and a half or so and it's getting serious. At least on my side. I want to know if she has the same kind of feelings for me. I'm not about to walk up to her and say "Gawrsh, dus u liek me?" To insensitive. Same for e-mail and phone. Snail mail might be possible. I really don't know WHAT to do. Sometimes she's really nice to me, other times she treats me like dirt. So... confused...

[Martyr]

She treats you like dirt?

Example please.

Generally though, the best way to talk to a girl is not to say. "Gosh, do you like me?" But, instead, "Hey, I want that beautiful booty in my 69 Chevelle! Stat!"

Er... I mean, if there's no hostility, then the direct approach is always the most efficient. She'll either say yes or no, there's no embarrassment, and time can go on. Best of all, most girls won't reject the direct approach, simply because there's no reason to. You leave yourself closed up so that they have to date you in order to find out whether they want to date you or not.

Remember, the absolute worst thing that can happen is that she says no and tells your friends. They'll all laugh with her and call you a loser, but, after the scharade is over, they'll only know that you're single. Then you're the target.

So it always works out pretty fairly.

[froofmyster]

Yeah. What bugs me is that I often come really close finding out without having to ask which would be ideal for me, seeing as I'm WAY too shy. We occasionaly lock eyes. Problem: She has this friend who follows her everywhere. Whenever this happens, her friend says something obnoxious and annoying like "Oh my god, what are you two doing?!" and then, being seventh graders, one of us leaves. Damn these high school "laws".

EDIT: By treats me like dirt I mean she's a total jerk around me. Somedays, she'll look at a drawing I'm making and tell me, even help me make it better, if not perfect. Other times, she'll tell me it blows and shove it in my face.

[Dragonsbane]

this means she likes you, but is confused about how to tell you or about whether or not you are the right sort of eprson for her. The obnoxious friend's purpose is to test whether you care enough about this girl to accept her annoying friends too......or she is just there to try and "protect" the girl from you.

[froofmyster]

Well, considering how much physical pain I endure at her friend's hands whenever I get close. DAMN, she hits hard. Whenever I refuse to leave I get smack across the back of my head. It hurts. If by five smacks I haven't left she starts shouting "stalker!" I hate her... I mean, I bought this girl VIP baseball tickets that I payed for with my own cha-ching. That's 72$ down the drain!

[Swift Wang]

Shes just angsty beause she doesn't have anyone that loves her. Remember that next time she smacks you. You should be extra nice to her but avoid her taking advantage of you by buying her things.

[froofmyster]

Actualy, I only did it once. We're both HUGE baseball fans and her parents couldn't bring her, so I did.

NOTE: She put her head on my shoulder on the way out. Being the idiot I am, I had the reflex to shrug that shoulder, bashing her head. She quickly told that she was tired and has a sore neck. I have a feeling she was lying but I could be wrong. I hate the seventh grade SO much...

[MP37a]

Actually my g/f was exactly like that to me before we started dating in way. We just kept going to places together and hanging out and it just clicked. So just ask her out. If her annoying friend gets involved go to his house and kick his ass first. haha Sounds like she does like you though. She's just unsure.

[froofmyster]

I said it before: I hate the seventh grade. We're over the stage where we go "ewww!" whenever somebody says the word "love", but not at the age where we can adresse it. It's annoying. The most annoying part is when you're aware of it and dammit, I am! We live on opposite sides of the island of Montreal, don't have any classes together, and can only meet where that friend can find us. I hate it! :(

Today was a "buzz off, ass" say. Pissed me off.

[MP37a]

Montreal is an island? Wow I never knew that. haha Gonna have to remember that. :) Well you could try to tell her to buzz off. Sometimes if you ignore a girl that's when they will really pay attention to you.

[BMHadoken]

Wow...so much drama for a wittle 7th grader...just ask her out, screw the friend (not literally).

[froofmyster]

Montreal is currently both a city and an island. A few years ago it was a city named Montreal on an island named Montreal surrounded by smaller cities (Laval, Westmount, Cote Saint-Luc, Hampstead, Verdun and a probably two or three others that I'm forgeting) but recently merged into one big city.

EDIT: And BMHadoken, I've got the whole "surly teen" thing down. Watch it. :) And one more thing: No.

[IHateMakingNames]

7th grade? Puh, just ask her out, do your little 7th grade thing, then next year (At most) it will all be forgotten (And no one will care).

Relationships do not happen in anything below High School.

[BMHadoken]

7th grade? Puh, just ask her out, do your little 7th grade thing, then next year (At most) it will all be forgotten (And no one will care).

Relationships do not happen in anything below High School.
Unless you're into drugs and easy unsafe sex, but our growing froofy doesnt seem like that.

[froofmyster]

In Quebec (my province) High School starts at Grade 7.

EDIT: I'm against both.

[IHateMakingNames]

Stupid Canada...

Fine, relationships (Real ones) do not start before 16 (At least, and that is unlikely). 7th grade, how old would that be, 13? You wouldn't even be through puberty yet.

[BMHadoken]

Meh, 7th grade is too soon, it really starts 9th, after all the little gradey bull.

Just ask her out, got nothin to lose.

[BMHadoken]

Of course evry girl hates me and because that they punch me and kick me I am very weak so it hurts in fact one of my legs is almost broken because of that.
Bombshell...no...

And 'middle school' (everything below 9th) is made of nervous movies, 'kissy' pecks, and maybe a make out session. No drugs-free relationship gets beyond first base.

[IHateMakingNames]

Bombshell...no...

And 'middle school' (everything below 9th) is made of nervous movies, 'kissy' pecks, and maybe a make out session. No drugs-free relationship gets beyond first base.

As well as nothing emotional. You might try to trick yourself into thinking there is, but there is none. 12-14 year olds tend to try and act older then they really are, but they aren't. In 2-3 years you will look back at yourself and laugh.

Edit - As for the 'problem', either drop it and stop obsessing over it, or just ask her out.

[froofmyster]

Just ask her out, got nothin to lose.
Maybe...

[BMHadoken]

No, trust me, it will affect nothing. If she says yes, you go to a few movies, makeout (maybe), then who knows. She says no, you both forget it.

[Mashirosen]

I want to know if she has the same kind of feelings for me. I'm not about to walk up to her and say "Gawrsh, dus u liek me?"

I got asked about this situation again and again and again and AGAIN as Evil Princess Sara, and I'm going to tell you the same thing I told every last one of you: how the hell else are you going to know?

Also, seconded to the whole "you're in 7th grade" thing. The worst that can happen is that she's not interested -- but you're 13, you may not even remember it by the time you're my age.

Edited to add: exactly, what BMHadoken said.

[BMHadoken]

Soo...hard...to not make age joke...

But yeah, most of us above 16 will just tell you to go for it, because it wont matter anyway in the long run.

[Dragonsbane]

Meh, 7th grade is too soon, it really starts 9th, after all the little gradey bull.

Just ask her out, got nothin to lose.


Damn right........though maybe things work differently in Canada?

[BMHadoken]

Soo...hard...not to make 'eh' joke...

But it doesn't matter where the location is, relationships below 16 are all the same.

[froofmyster]

Soo...hard...not to make 'eh' joke...
Knock yerself out. I've heard'em all, eh.

[Royalspork]

I'm in 7th grade and all relationship in 7th grade are really just to get you ready for the 'real' relationships later. we are all horone crazy and we don't know how to deal with it. so do as I do and don't impose on people and don't dicline if they ask.

[froofmyster]

we are all horone crazy and we don't know how to deal with it.
Damn straight.

[MP37a]

Ooooh thanks for the info. I thought it was just a city. I know far too little about my neighbor to the north. Anyway 7th grade relationships are easy. This is me in 7th grade an actual conversation all of it:

Friend: Stephanie likes you like.
Me: Who's Stephanie?
Friend: One of the other girls you danced with at the dance last night.
Me: Oh..the 8th grader?
Friend: Yeah
Me: Oh that's cool
Friend: She wants you to ask her out. Do you like her?
Me: I don't know
Friend: You should ask her out.
Me: I guess
Later:
Me: Hey
Girl: Hey
Me: So you want to go out?
Girl: Yeah
Me: Ok cool cya
Girl: Cya

Didn't even like the girl but went out with her anyway. lol I wouldn't look very much for big romances in 7th grade. I wish relationships were as easy as that all the time though. haha

[Royalspork]

it is funny because every one else is like 'dating is good, girls are good, date now!', but you really need to let things happen.

what is also funny is that I have such a anti-dating stance that my friends asked girls out for me with out my consent.

[cellar_door]

guys remember, now that your older you think your younger relationships ment little, but remember when you were in them, they felt important, the rejection still hurt even if it was got over quickly. no doubt someone aged 40 would say a 16 year olds relationship doesnt matter.

froof, mate look its realy simple take it from a guy that knows, if you miss your chance you'll always wonder. carpe diem

[Viper Daimao]

everyone's giving you some pretty good advice. just ask her. ask her if she likes you or ask her out, just make sure you ask. its seriously not a big deal at all. if you're nervous my advice is thus: plan out what you're going to say ahead of time, then when you next see her stop thinking and say it, dont think about it at all, just blurt out the words you planned. seriously, thats the hardest part, after that, whether she says 'yes' or 'no' it will be a releaf

[slightly aboveaverage man]

I'm hearing a lot of "Just ask! what's the worst they could do? say no!"

People don't know how bad "No" is.

For one who is extremely shy, the utter regection after putting ones heart on the line can be devestating. If a person took so long to build up the courage to ask, and is shot down, all the confidance that builds up in said individual is too shattered. The end result is an increased fear of regection, leading to fear of change, leading to self loathing, both for their apparent inability to find a mate, and the blow to their self esteem, leaving them thinking that they are ultimately inferior. Thus leading to an eventual spiteful outlook on relationships that stems out of jealousy of those in relationships.

BMH, IHMN, please cut out the "awww, it's the widdle 7th grader" crap. You were once his age, as was I. Poking fun at that kind of thing is Ageist, and immature.

Froof, My advice is go it slow. If you can find her in the hallways when she isn't with her friend, ask her if she wants to go to a movie, or something else that you usually do with your friends. Nothing too overt, like "Hey, wanna go for dinner at Le Cafe du Renee?" or anything, just gradual inclusion. If she doesn't make the first move eventually, make it youself.

[BMHadoken]

SAAM, its ok you never forgave me and IHMN for Calvinball...but Mash and a whole bunch of others agreed with us...

And sure, it hurts when they say 'No', but you get over it, then you realize either (a)"Meh, who needs her" or (b) she's not 'the one' (altho PROTIP: unless you're in a sitcom, the ONE is never in your teens)

And like Mash stated, unless you ask, it'll just go unsaid...ya know, I think there's a poem along those lines...I think...

[Royalspork]

grudge much BMhadoken?
We posted our ideas no use argueing them, it is only froof's decision

[slightly aboveaverage man]

This isn't about Calvinball BMH, I got over that long ago.

This is about a guy who's asking for advice and is instead getting mocked for being what he is.

Not everyone is capable of detatching their emotions at the drop of a hat, thus asking can be a traumatic experience in and of itself. Furthermore, if the reply is "No" it can lead to their friendship becoming Akward, ruining anything they may have right now. At this stage in his life, it's natural to have a crush or something, but they are not easily removed. they must grow out of it, simple rejection can lead to them becoming spitefull, believing that if someone doesn't like them, it is because that person is evil, and must die, etc etc. turning them into a jackass.

[Funka Genocide]

7th grade is as good a time as any to start getting some experience. It all becomes experience in the end (I sound like red mage don't I?) Just ask her out, if her friend tries to hit/smack/kiss/whatever you just kick him in the face or call her a bitch, whichever gender the friend may be (got a little confused on that one) but do these things outside the view of your intended girlfriend, also have a rock solid alibi to deny anything the friend claims. My point here is that if you want someone or something, you have to go out and get them. Women are incensitive, just as much as men are. They almost always want you to make the first step, the sooner you learn the ropes the happier you'll be in the future, trust me. I didn't start dating until like 18, just too damn shy. Being shy gets you nowhere, and anyone who claims that girls like shy guys is wrong, they like cute guys, and if your cute enough they will overlook such things as social ineptitude, or grooming habits, or you know, whatever. So in closing, ask her out, just walk right up to her and ask her, have no shame about any of it, because theres no point in being embarassed, just wasted energy really.

[Royalspork]

but what about parents? they will act just like IHMN did if you date.

[Lycanthrope]

Sorry, foofmyster, but I can one-up you:

Okay, I have found my soul-mate, and in two weeks may never see her again. We have everything you can think of in common. She was attractive, but not out of my league. I've been affraid to do anything because we're standpartners in orchestra, and that's a pretty close working relationship. It'd be an awful position to make things awkward in, you have to understand. I've figured that she thinks of me as a friend, and the reason why makes things even worse. Her home life is pretty messed up, which I think explains why every single relationship she's been in has been a bad one, abusive, neglectful, or just below her. And yet she's a beautiful personality despite everything, and I have to watch her in these horrible relationships. We're close friends but I don't think she'd take advice I'd give her; she hasn't taken it from her best friends, why would she take it from me? And to top things off, graduation. Off to college and then I may never see her again. All I can do is pray that she finds someone who will respect her, because right now I don't even have the satisfaction of her being happy without me.... *sigh* that's been building up for a while.

Well, good luck. I know how hard it can be to ask. I've been plagued by the same problem, even before I had a good reason/rationale like this time. One just doesn't know how to go about it, where to start. I, at least, know its just the problem of more vividly being able to see the consiquence of action than inaction.

And, SAAM's right. Back off BMH and IHMN. For seventh grade, he's always been articulate and eloquent.

Oh, and one more thing: the One can be in high school. Hell, my uncle met his soul mate in sixth grade, and they're as happy as anyone can hope to be.

I leave you with one of my favorite sayings on the subject:
"love is what you make of it. True love is when who you make it with agrees."

[Lycanthrope]

not you SAAM. foofmyster.

[slightly aboveaverage man]

I said nothing...

Amnesia Dust!

I can emphasize with you as well Lycanthrope. I was in that type of siduation not long ago...

[Funka Genocide]

wow Lycanthrope, thats pretty heart rending. I know you aren't asking for advice, but I have to say this. When someone says "if you love someone, let them go" they are probably trying to steal your woman! what I mean by that is that if you truly love someone, you will make them happy if they accept you. Don't let your destiny fly out of your grasp, all it leaves is bitter scars.

on a personal note, I have an odd relationship type thingy going on, we both live in different countries, and we're both pretty much socially inept, while I am overly sharing and emotional, she is reserved and antisocial. I love her more than I can say, but I don't know if she'll ever say that she loves me. I have already made my intentions known, but instead of saying yes or no, she just keeps it ambiguous. that I believe is the most painful outcome of asking, not rejection or acceptance, but not knowing. there's my 2 cents worth, and go for it you two guys!

[froofmyster]

I'm hearing a lot of "Just ask! what's the worst they could do? say no!"

People don't know how bad "No" is.
Wow, you actualy saw the "big picture".

BMH, IHMN, please cut out the "awww, it's the widdle 7th grader" crap. You were once his age, as was I. Poking fun at that kind of thing is Ageist, and immature.
He's right. You two are being total asses.

Froof, My advice is go it slow. If you can find her in the hallways when she isn't with her friend, ask her if she wants to go to a movie, or something else that you usually do with your friends. Nothing too overt, like "Hey, wanna go for dinner at Le Cafe du Renee?" or anything, just gradual inclusion. If she doesn't make the first move eventually, make it youself.
*Bangs head on computer, shattering screen*
Oops, THAT looked expensive. :rolleyes:

I didn't think of that because?..

Zoamelgustar, her friend is a girl. She sort of has spazms every so often and needs someone to keep under control when it happens. IE, she spends a whole lot of time with this girl.

...And I am SO not letting her go. Not without a fight.

Made progress tonight. Second and final performance of my operetta tonight. Went back to Dairy Queen. The whole class was there including her. I spoke to her a lot. I was quite hyper and very happy, not to mention on a sugar-high, but so was she. To quote her: "Shoogaah!" (sugar!). I did speak to her, and we had fun. She's finally out of her "buzz-off, ass" mood and was open to my company. Her friend spazzed out twice but it didn't bother us. Nothing could ruin my mood. On the other hand, I was singing and project my voice from 7-11 PM (I shouted and sang at DQ) so whenever I speak I project really loud. I have to "wisper" to maintain regular voice volume. Meh! :D

[Dragonsbane]

I'm hearing a lot of "Just ask! what's the worst they could do? say no!"

People don't know how bad "No" is.

For one who is extremely shy, the utter regection after putting ones heart on the line can be devestating. If a person took so long to build up the courage to ask, and is shot down, all the confidance that builds up in said individual is too shattered. The end result is an increased fear of regection, leading to fear of change, leading to self loathing, both for their apparent inability to find a mate, and the blow to their self esteem, leaving them thinking that they are ultimately inferior. Thus leading to an eventual spiteful outlook on relationships that stems out of jealousy of those in relationships.

BMH, IHMN, please cut out the "awww, it's the widdle 7th grader" crap. You were once his age, as was I. Poking fun at that kind of thing is Ageist, and immature.

Froof, My advice is go it slow. If you can find her in the hallways when she isn't with her friend, ask her if she wants to go to a movie, or something else that you usually do with your friends. Nothing too overt, like "Hey, wanna go for dinner at Le Cafe du Renee?" or anything, just gradual inclusion. If she doesn't make the first move eventually, make it youself.


SAAM is right, it's devastating when a girl says "no", especially at that age. I found that out the hard way when I was in the 6th grade......it was mostly my fault, though.

Anyway, this friend (of the girl you love) seems to be an extremely needy person, which is why she resents you hanging out with her friend. What ever you do, DON'T HIT/INSULT HER!!! The girl you're after will hate you if you do that...consider this a test of your patience and ingenuity.

[slightly aboveaverage man]

What ever you do, DON'T HIT/INSULT HER!!! The girl you're after will hate you if you do that...consider this a test of your patience and ingenuity.

DB is right, take the aproach of Ghandi, eventually she will see that her friend is beating on you, unprovoked, and come to your defense. at this point, you will be closer than ever to your goal, which means she will be seeing the good in you, and seeing you as a prospect.

[Dragonsbane]

I would advise ignoring her, and trying not to talk to her overmuch...but don't keep it so aloof that you abandon your "Ghandi" approach (thanks for the name, SAAM). When the girl you like sympathizes with you, and tells her friend to cut it out, then you will be much closer to your goal, and hopefully the friend will take the hint and stop trying to ruin your life.

Side note: does this friend of the girl you love hate EVERY guy that expresses interest in this girl, or does she just target you?

[froofmyster]

Not sure.

I would never dream of hitting back. I'm not that kind of person. I sometimes block blows but never give them. ...Except to this guy who's a total ass 24/7, but that's beside the point.

[Dragonsbane]

you can hit a guy, but hitting girls is usually a bad idea...

you said she "sort of spazms (spasms?)", does she actually have a mental/psycological problem or something?

[froofmyster]

She gets all crazy. She dances and jumps around and giggles. It's kinda scary if you don't know about it. Mental.

[Dragonsbane]

7th graders get like that sometimes......I'm kidding, I don't really consider all of you that immature.

Is she just doing it for attention, or is it an actual mental disease?

I know girls who act like that just to get attention, it bugs the shit out of me....thank God (or Mystra, Bane, Sune...whoever is in charge of this sort of thing!) that girls don't act like that in High School, at least they usually don't.....

[edit] going back, I've noticed that BMH and IHMN have both been utterly asinine to froofmyster about this.....seriously guys, enough is enough. You don't have to try and talk down to everyone younger than you, especially when they present their viewpoints in a mature manner.

[froofmyster]

Actual mental disease. It's like epilepsy, only instead of having seizures, she has... those. The three of us went to the same elementary school I'm used to that.

[Dragonsbane]

In that case, just ignore it. It's probably some severe form of ADHD...

either way, showing that you can be patient will impress the girl you're after...especially considering that the person you show tolerance toward is her friend.

[froofmyster]

Mmm. At least I trained myself to block out pain from certain parts of my body (mostly pressure points) because she really knows how to hurt people otherwise.

[Dragonsbane]

if she tries to hit you, block it, but don't hurt her (don't grab her wrists, for example...it doesn't hurt, but it leaves a violent impression). You have a right to defend yourself, just don't hit back.'

Also, ask her to stop...nicely, without making it sound threatening or pleading.

[Funka Genocide]

I just wanted to apologize for my advice earlier, you should never hit or insult people, its not only socially impolite, but makes people think less of you. It was really meant as a joke, the point being that you should never wait around for your destiny, you have to go out and grab it.

And withstanding physical pain delivered by women is a virtue, one which I excel in :) Girls love beating on dudes, laughing maniacly all the way. I tell you, I've taken some lumps! Its best to just stoicly take it, while commenting on how childish it is to punch/slap/kick/hit with a brick/baseball bat/throw yogurt at/pizza at/flying jump kick you, that is if you can remain conscious.

hey, I have a little sister, and am just a general pushover when it comes to women, they typically take full advantage of this.

[froofmyster]

All is forgiven.

EDIT:does this friend of the girl you love hate EVERY guy that expresses interest in this girl, or does she just target you?
Just me. No other boys express interest in the girl. Unfortunately, not many people find her interesting. They say she's not pretty, not part of the "in crowd" or something of the like and don't try to find out what's underneath (PERSONALITY!). Personaly, I find her radiant. When people say crap like that I want to rip their lungs out. Jerks.

[Jaguar]

I don't have a girlfriend, so whenever a girl comes up to me (they usually don't because they think I'm a psychopath), I just ignore them. However, I know this one girl who slapped me across the face once, so now I just call her a jackass. She's like the friend that froofmyster's friend has, but meaner.

[TheCookieMomma]

Okay, as a girl, I'm gonna chime in. Not all girls like to hit boys... but a lot of us do. I will say. It annoys me, but I can't do anything about it.
Also, I wanted to say one thing about "Girls at this age". They don't know what's going on with themselves half the time. When I was in seventh grade, I had a crush on a different guy every couple weeks. If you do show some reciprication, and she responds, she's probably thrown off, because she doesn't expect it. At least I wouldn't have.
Just having fun with her and trying to deal nicely with her friend will go a long way.
SARA

[Dragonsbane]

froofmyster, for some reason I find the comment about ripping out lungs hilarious....probably because of your avatar.

To be honest, I think the friend is jealous of you, and of the time you spend with the girl you love...because she wants to keep her friend (the girl you love) all to herself, and hates you for "taking her away". I'd recommend setting her up with someone, but chances are slim to none that you can find someone for someone THAT needy.

[froofmyster]

My love interest's friend's social life = Not my problem.

[Jaguar]

The last three girlfriends I had were all slutzs, so I figured out how to get dumped in five seconds. Come up to them, say "There's someone else," and you're gone.

[Illuminatus]

I'm kinda late to the conversation, but I need to say my piece.

DO NOT RUSH THIS! DO NOT FEEL AS IF YOU DESPERATELY NEED THIS GIRL TO SURVIVE.

You'll get over her, I promise. I'm seventeen years old, a high school graduate, and I've never been on a date. I've never kissed a girl. But I'm okay with this. Why? Good question. But the point remains, you don't need female companionship as desperately as you think. Eventually you can tune those little hormones out. My advice is take your time, don't do anything rash or desperate. There's no need.

But maybe you shouldn't take my advice, seeing as how I'm looking at a life without love or sex. Whatever.

[Lycanthrope]

You and me both, Ih8tstupidpeople. you and me both. But I dislike the thought of a lonely life. I'm not okay with my end of the deal, just too lethargic and cowardly to do anything about it.

Love is a wonderful thing for those who can find it. The more practice you have the easier it is to find. This are my slightly despondant thoughts on the subject, in a kinda "do as I say, not as I do" kinda way. Your lucky your hormones have kicked in already. I was a late bloomer, a fact upon which I rest much of my current problems upon.

My ultimate advice is this: consider this deeply. And I mean really deeply. Having been infatuated with girls before, I know how hard it is to look at rationally. You're going to have to effectively detatch your balls from your brain, and reason it out logically. You already know your physically attracted to the girl. How well can you get allong with her? Does she have any annoying talents, or ***best friends*** that are going to prevent you from being able to deal with her? The thing your working towards: is it worth it? You need to weigh the risk and gain. Once you make a decision, act just like that, decively.

[Pretty Mary K]

So you want to know if she likes you, but you don't want to ask her if she likes you? And you want to go out with her, but you don't want to ask her out?

Jeez, man.

Advice: Quit. Wait until high school. Seventh graders shouldn't be worrying about girls.

[Dragonsbane]

just asking a girl isn't such a good idea, for several previously-stated reasons. Besides, it's too blunt! Forcing a sudden decision on her like that is NOT going to make her comfortable, and she might be much more inclined to say no. Try setting up some atmosphere, then ask her out........but remember what IH8 said, DON'T RUSH THIS, wait until the moment is right.

[Funka Genocide]

yeesh! just wait? don't rush it? life moves too fast for any of that! 17 isn't exactly a ripe old age, I'm 20 and still don't know what the hells going on with my hormones. Trust me, regrets of not trying are worse than trying and failing. You should never be afraid of failure, thats why there are so many useless people in the world! Everyone is told from birth that there are limits, that YOU are not meant for greatness. The only people who truly achieve are those who realize that this sort of talk is just the bitter ramblings of people who couldn't get back up after being knocked down. In order to attain true happiness, you can't be scared of losing. This is not say that you have to be fearless, no one is, and fear is a good thing sometimes. Just don't let your fear keep you from ever leaving the ground! If there is one thing I can tell you guys right now that I would have you truly listen to, its this "sometimes you need less brains and a little more courage!" You can reason and postulate all day, but in the end your just sitting in a corner thinking to yourself! Life is about action! Sometimes you just need to jump in head first. Reason is a valuable tool, but its useless by itself. Thats the way I feel about it anyways.

[Mashirosen]

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