Oh-my-god...

[Osterbaum]

Ok, I yesterday saw The Day After Tomorrow and it got me thinking. What if this would happen in our life time? Scientists say that in real life the proces of storms would take years and not days or weeks or even months, but still. Rather scarry...Let's say we did survive it. What after?

[Melfice]

Well, assuming the world would freeze due to heavy snowstorms, we would either physically adapt (growing fur and the sort) or we would technologically adapt(constructing of bio-domes, with it's own environment, if the materials are available.)

Any other scenario, I wouldn't know an answer to, and I don't feel like thinking like that right now.

[Osterbaum]

Techonologigally would be the thing. It's faster. In the movie one thng bugged me. When they say that the temperature is dropping 10degrees per second, do they mean forenheit or celcius? It's these weird american things.

[Melfice]

I would think Fahrenheit, I've never seen the movie though, but 10 degrees per second would mean that if it's 20 degrees on a normal day, it would be -30 after a mere 5 seconds.

EDIT: I like the avatar. It's the trigger happy guy from Firefly right?

[Osterbaum]

Yeah it's him. I'm a huge fan of Firefly. I have the DVD. My signature is also from Firefly.

More on topic: It also thought it was forenheit cause yanks only use forenheits. And inches, feet all these weird things. I think there was too little about europe. If this would actually happen pretty much like this (only slower) we europeans would end up under ice. The best place to be in europe would either be the south tip Spain or Sicily and Italy's south tip. All else woul be covered in ice if not also those parts. In the hole world you would wabt to be in Africa.

[Melfice]

Ofcourse. Warmer climate, but if the entire world would face the same problems, (South-)Africa would probably suffer the most casualities.

Imagine this(seriously stereotyped):
It's 40 degrees Celcius all year long, day in day out. If the temperature would drop 30 degrees in one week, leaving it only 10 degrees, their bodies couldn't cope with the temperature change killing them effectively due to hyperthermia(sp?).

Also, Africa is the most densely populated continent in the world.

[Osterbaum]

Best to survive in southern countries wuld be those used to cold weather. Like us scandinavians and russians. The best place to be would be central Africa to be more specific.

[Melfice]

Yeah, that would be so.

Also, don't believe us Dutch when we complain about the cold weather. We love it.

[Osterbaum]

Sure you do... :D Well we don't love it so when you here us complain, it's all true. :D But we are still used to it.

Though all scandinavian countries wouldn't really be the place to be even though we now cold. It would be worse than almost any other country. So if we were to stay here....all dead.

[cellar_door]

so a worldwide mass exidis to centeral africa, only the mega rich could afford the plane fare in a situation like that, either the mega rich or the really muscley

[Sithdarth]

I point you here, Read This (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,638224,00.html), for a not so quick but interesting read. No after reading that you will be quite a bit more scared of that movie. I read that before I saw the movie and watching it with that in mind made it so much better.

On another note I think the climate shift would end up making Africa much more green as well as Mexico. If this happens the world may very well still be able to support a pretty large population. There wouldn't be much space but since when have humans let that stop us.

[Osterbaum]

I allready knew that it's bound to happen. We can't be sure when or how much time it will take, but most likely it will be our grand children or their children who suffer. Or maby it will happen later, or maby even earlier. But the thing is as they said that it will start and the real change will take years. That scientist said, I believe, 10-20years minimum, but thats not a lot.

[Viper Daimao]

the movie is based on a lot of bad science. like the fact they say that the number of tornados per year are increasing, when its only our ability to measure weaker tornados thats increasing. or the fact that there is no real scientific evidence of global warming, many say the avg temp of the earth was higher in the middle ages.

Here's (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28338-2004May14?language=printer) a good article from the washington post from a month or two ago.
Here's another (http://www.enn.com/news/2004-04-28/s_23125.asp) from the Environmental News Network. Even the Natural Resources Defense Council (http://www.nrdc.org/) calls the movie "over the top"

Remember this is hollywood, its fantasy, not reality.
Hollywood has never been known to let scientific fact get in the way of a good story, and recent releases provide plenty examples in which a filmmaker will rely on technical fudgery so as not to bore an audience. In Godsend, for instance, the parents of an eight-year-old car accident victim employ some technologically dicey methods to clone their son after his death. Last month’s Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, in which Jim Carrey plays a man who erases all memory of his ex-girlfriend from his brain, intentionally glosses over the neurological aspects of such a procedure, preserving a sense of possibility without the burden of scientific realism. It should come as no surprise, then, that Fox’s upcoming The Day After Tomorrow might not offer an entirely accurate portrayal of global warming.
from the blog Cinemocracy (http://cinemocracy.blogs.com/cinemocracy/2004/04/fighting_brimst.html)

[MP37a]

Hmm I really don't want to grow fur. If anything I'd actually burrow deep into the earth towards the center for warmth. But I actually do like the cold. I think I'd survive.

[Viper Daimao]

one thing is for sure, "We cannot have a mineshaft gap!" </movie reference>

[BitVyper]

If we ever run into another ice age, it's not going to be something that happens over night. We're not going to wake up one day, and suddenly find the world to be completely frozen over. Something like that takes an unfathomably large number of years.

However, and I haven't seen that particular movie yet, but if something like this were to happen, and we were suddenly overtaken by a new, worldwide ice age, we would probably put on thick coats. We were thriving in absurdly cold climates before the advent of central heating, so I'm fairly certain we could do it now. Unless it's getting cold enough to crystalize our blood or something, we won't have much of a problem on that end. The real problem would be keeping our food alive. We would eventually start farming and such in self contained environments, probably heavily regulated by the government, but the sudden climate change would probably kill a lot of what we already had, so there might be some starvation in the beginning, just until things evened out though.

For a climate change to kill us all off is pretty much unthinkable. It would have to be sudden, and it would have to be really really really extreme, like turning the air into acid as was suggested by Red Mage.

A few months ago I was standing outside in -50 C for about an hour waiting for someone to come boost my car. That's roughly -58 farenheit, so -30 would have been a pretty big improvement over that, and I survived the night, as did the rest of my city.

To even begin affecting humanity as a whole, a climate change would have to be monumental. I'm talking about 50-100 degrees celcius below the lowest it gets to now. Unless someone teleports the Earth away from, or puts a big wall in front of the sun, that won't happen.

[Zweihander]

Here's the plot. In the middle of a Northern Hemisphere summer, the temperature of the high-latitude Atlantic and Pacific suddenly drops 15 degrees. This is caused by the shutdown of the Gulf Stream, which keeps Europe from being the icebox it should be at its northerly latitude.

Since the Gulf Stream is no longer transporting warm water to Europe, the tropics get hotter and hotter, and the poles colder and colder. In a series of massive thunderstorms, the atmosphere flips over, and increasingly cold stratospheric air is drawn down to the earth's surface, creating a low-pressure system that produces hundreds of feet of snow. Temperatures in Canada drop 100 degrees in an hour. Just about everyone north of Washington, D.C., dies. The following summer, the ice melts and a continental flood ensues.

That's complete bullshit. Even if the Gulf Stream DID shut down, The law of entropy would just take over. Instead of the above crap happening, the heat from the tropics would slowly spread out to the rest of the world, instead of being warped up to you Euros. It's like saying just because you have a heater in the living room, that the rest of the house will get colder.

And besides, it's a fucking APOCALYPSE MOVIE!!! That's like thinking that "Armageddon" will happen. Aside from the fact that a comet/meteor/asteriod has an infinitesmal chance of hitting the earth, people got all freaked out. Same with every other movie that "realistically" depicts the end of the world. Just goes to shoe you how dumb people are.

[BMHadoken]

Plus, like Dennis Quaid said in the movie, we've survived an Ice Age as a race before, and thats when our greatest technological acheivement was a wooden club and wearing fur...or something, I'm not a big historian.

Too bad Japan gets killed...

And remember, this is the movie Bush doesn't want you to see.

[Illuminatus]

Aside from the premise, the Day After Tomorrow is total crap. Cold air being pulled down from the stratosphere? CGI Timber wolves? North Atlantic current ceases to exist? Three massive "superstorms" neatly placed so they cover the whole world? Tornadoes in LA? TOTAL CRAP!

That doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about the planet. But there's no way you can stop the apocalypse now. The world is going down down down down...

[Funka Genocide]

despite the horrible premise and worse scientific backing, I liked the movie. not so much for what it was, but for the ideas it gave me. I myself would love to witness a global catastrophe, something so earth shattering that it would destroy society as we know it. I would love to see a return to feudalism, and conquest. the world is so impersonal and boring these days, you want somebody dead? send a tomahawk his way! I think it would be cool to be some sort of post apocalyptic warlord, finding ancient technological artifacts and using them to bring peace and order to the ignorant populace. The imagery of two great armies composed entirely of infantry armed with primitive weapons fighting eachother while a dilapidated black hawk helicopter thunders overhead carrying elite troops armed with automatic weaponry is very visually appealing to me. Then again, maybe I'm just crazy...

[Illuminatus]

Zoamelgustar, you are a man after my own heart. I feel the exact same way. This world's so damn boring. After the apocalypse lets form our own motorcycle and/or jet ski gang and rule our own patch of the post-apocalytpic world.

[Fifthfiend]

Best of luck to you guys... but if you see Mel Gibson, just fucking run.

And ifyou see Kevin Costner... well, at that point, just kill yourself right then and there, because there's just no reason to going on living as a part of that world.

[Osterbaum]

Have you guys not been listening? It's sure that another Ice-age will happen. Offcourse it wont take weeks, but tens or hundreds of years toactually reach the point of ice-age from the point of weather changing dramatically. And you who said that the warm from the tropico would spread, don't you know what happens when cold air mixes with warm? Storms! Offcourse not like in the movie: Temparature dropping 10degrees in one second, but big storms never the less.

[BMHadoken]

Soo...moving all my stock options into those little packets that you can squeeze and make yourself warm would be a good idea in the long run?

[Zweihander]

No, that's a terrible decision. Those damn things don't even work. Now, giant parkas, there's an investment oppurtunity!

[The Tortured one]

the indispensible Exit Mundi: http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/When%20Ice%20Age%20Comes%20to%20Town.htm

[Osterbaum]

the indispensible Exit Mundi: http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/When%20Ic...20to%20Town.htm

Thats from the same series as that robot thing right? If all that's true, and I could confirm most of that from other sources, then we could survive it. So much time, that we could invent something to keep us alive.

[Mattias]

Can I get a link to the scientific proof of exit mundi? It seems to be completely against what everyone else has posted so far.

P.S. Can I be part of your biker/wave runner gang Zo? I can punch stuff really good.

[Osterbaum]

Can I get a link to the scientific proof of exit mundi? It seems to be completely against what everyone else has posted so far.

Some of those claims can be werrified and it doesent matter so much what we say, unless we have heard it from a reliable source. We arent scientists.

P.S. Can I be part of your biker/wave runner gang Zo? I can punch stuff really good.

Do I sence offtopicness?

[Illuminatus]

P.S. Can I be part of your biker/wave runner gang Zo? I can punch stuff really good.

Can never have too many bikers. And what I was saying was not that global warming wasn't going to happen, just that there wouldn't be three evenly spaced superstorms that cover the northern hemisphere in glaciers.

[Osterbaum]

just that there wouldn't be three evenly spaced superstorms that cover the northern hemisphere in glaciers.

I hope that no one actually believed that...