How is Suicide Squad?

[Aerozord]

Let me be clear I ask purely out of curiosity, there are far too many movies higher on my watch list for this to even stand a chance. I ask because reviewers have torn this movie down nearest I can tell and frankly the reason its low on my list it seems like just pandering to the fanbase. But we know sometimes critics can get too hung up on stuff so should never assume.

On the flip side everyone I know is saying its great, however these people were the same kind of mindless fans that were raving before the first trailer was out so they are hardly trustworthy. Instead I come to you fellow forumites as you tend to be reasonable and from an audience mindset instead of overly critical, ie if the movie is just bad but entertaining you won't bash it.

So anyone seen it? Thoughts?

[Gregness]

I saw it with a friend of mine yesterday. It's fine, really. I wouldn't call it good, but it doesn't deserve all the hate I don't think. I dunno, I may just have a low threshold for what I consider watchable.

There's moments of actual good, subtle characterization like Harley's moment of lucidity in the stairwell. This mainly serves to baffle me about why the rest of the movie is so hamfisted in contrast.

Honestly, one of my big problems with the movie is the fact that I watched so much of the DCAU as a kid, and the writing for those characters was so much better than anything we've seen out of the recent DC movies. Not coincidently, my favorite characters from this movie were the ones who hadn't made an appearance in the old days. The casting seemed pretty solid, though. The lady they got to play Waller was great, as was Will Smith. Honestly, I'd like to see this whole cast just given a better movie to be in, and it probably could be pretty great.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

I refuse to buy or consume any DC media. I have not/will not watch the Superman reboot because I don't like his character and I refuse to support Zach Snyder, nor will I watch Suicide Squad because it has Harley Quinn in it.

I loved Harley Quinn when I was younger, but now that I am older and having discovered how DC likes to portray her character, I cannot bring myself to support this company. It's not just Harley Quinn's disgusting sexualization I have issues with. I despise the fact they continue to harp on the "True Love" aspect of Joker and Harley despite making Joker being a manipulative and out right heinous.

I have other rants, but I am tired.

[Bum Bill Bee]

but now that I am older and having discovered how DC likes to portray her character, I cannot bring myself to support this company. It's not just Harley Quinn's disgusting sexualization I have issues with. I despise the fact they continue to harp on the "True Love" aspect of Joker and Harley despite making Joker being a manipulative and out right heinous.



Yargle bargle, "freedom of artistic expression, 1st world white womyn have it best, why don't you just make everyone where burqhas, go back to tumblr" bargle.

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[Tev]

My wife and I saw it with some friends over the weekend. Overall it felt rushed, or poorly edited, but decent enough for a mindless action movie. It suffered from being PG13, but the movie did get points for having a decent amount of twists, and for having absolutely none of the story spoiled via trailers leading up to the release.

Suicide Squad would have benefited from dropping the Joker entirely, or at least relegating him to shadowy flashbacks instead of wasting screen-time on whatever Jared Leto was doing in a bad Joker cosplay.

[Aerozord]

Suicide Squad would have benefited from dropping the Joker entirely, or at least relegating him to shadowy flashbacks instead of wasting screen-time on whatever Jared Leto was doing in a bad Joker cosplay.

You know since they are going for the marvel style cinematic universe, its possible this will be our Joker going forward

Why yes, I am saying that for purely sadistic reasons because thats the only way I can get any joy out of that fact.

[Tev]

You know since they are going for the marvel style cinematic universe, its possible this will be our Joker going forward.I'm pretty sure after working with him on this film, 99.99% of the actors that they want to cast or continue casting in DC Cinematic Universe movies will have it added to their contract that they will not work with, around, or adjacent to Jared Leto.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

I'm pretty sure after working with him on this film, 99.99% of the actors that they want to cast or continue casting in DC Cinematic Universe movies will have it added to their contract that they will not work with, around, or adjacent to Jared Leto.

I've heard rumblings about Jared Leto's Joker, was it that bad? Did his attempt to "get into character" backfire horrendously

[Solid Snake]

I've heard rumblings about Jared Leto's Joker, was it that bad? Did his attempt to "get into character" backfire horrendously

Given Heath Ledger's performance as Joker, and how the combination of Ledger's untimely death and the sheer objective quality of said performance has just elevated it to the stratosphere, I'm surprised DC thought it was a great idea to bring the Joker back so soon. Plenty of other characters in the Batman villain backlog to choose from, DC!

I have no intentions of seeing Suicide Squad, though, so I can't really speak on the quality of the movie. I hope they at least wrote Harley Quinn decently. I understand she's bound to be written with a certain number of squicky sexualized moments because DC can't help themselves there, but I really just don't want to hear that the movie glorifies victims of sexual abuse as some sort of positive condition in any way. I don't mind the moments where Harley Quinn is sexy but in control of her sexuality nearly as much as I mind moments where Harley being reduced to Joker fangirl status essentially against her will is played as some sort of hysterical joke, or something that's totally cool and why wouldn't any girl want to be like Harley, complete with an unhealthy relationship with her psychological tormentor?

[Tev]

I've heard rumblings about Jared Leto's Joker, was it that bad? Did his attempt to "get into character" backfire horrendouslyLet's put it this way; of all the Jokers that come to mind at the moment, Jeto's Joker comes a very distant fifth behind Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Mark Hamill, and even Cesar Romero (from the 1960's TV show). He came off as mostly just a twitchy idiot who wanted so hard to be the edgiest of people cosplaying the Joker for a weekend. Nothing about him was funny, amusing, or even scary in a real sense. It was more just a general skeezy sleazy creepiness that felt dirty in a profoundly unfunny way.

[Aerozord]

I've heard rumblings about Jared Leto's Joker, was it that bad? Did his attempt to "get into character" backfire horrendously

I didn't fact check, but judging by the rumor mill it seems likely but apparently Will Smith was even going against his PR agents advice and flat out saying he hates Jared Leto. Apparently he wasn't even invited to the wrap party after shooting. Also saying he didn't think he was "in character" but that Jared Leto is just normally that kind of person.

Lets also not undermine the idea of method acting. That means you stay in character between takes, not that you act like a sociopathic dick while your cast-mates are having breakfast.

[Tev]

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[MuMu]

Jared Leto is the weird kid at high school that does not get invited to parties.

The live rat thing was a pretty asshole-ish move to be fair, and I bet he did a lot more that the news didn't catch.

Anyway, I'm probably watching this next week or so, more out of morbid curiosity than anything.

[rpgdemon]

That's an article from a satire website, FYI.

[walkertexasdruid]

I may go and watch it tomorrow.

[Nique]

Anybody keeping up on their facebook feed like I am is getting no small amount of entertainment from the ACTUAL 'DC vs. Marvel' fanboy arguments taking place in the comments of any Suicide Squad post.

Like, not just observations of the Marvel franchise as generally superior, or statements of preferences for the DC films, but people being actual shitheads to each other like this is fukin sega do what nintendo't or whatever. I don't known what else I should have expected though, the same stuff is happening over iPhone v Android.

[Aerozord]

Americans love their bipartisanship. By having a singular opposition it allows for a us vs them mentality bringing solidarity to your own cause. This causing in many people to craft their side as part of their identity so attacking that side is treated as a personal attack against them. Taking things so personally leads to self-esteem issues and the quick fix for self-esteem issues is to degrade others ideally those you view in opposition to yourself (which would be the other product since you made it part of your identity)

[Magus]

I did see this but have refrained from giving my opinion so I could come to terms with it.

I had initially blasted it quite harshly on another forum due to what I saw as yet again unnecessary cuts, sloppy editing that seemed interested more in trimming seconds off each scene than with giving them room to breath, and classic hits that seemed shoehorned into several scenes rather than being part of the scenes from the get-go. The fact that a trailer company had say in the final cut kind of backs up this opinion.

The villain was also pretty bad--Enchantress, I mean. Waller was spot on, and honestly despite the hatred the Leto Joker has gotten for his looks, I think he captured the spirit of the character in the few scenes he was given.

Initially, I think I would give the movie a 4/10. Having seen it again just last week, I do enjoy the CONTENT of the movie enough to overlook how as a film it is objectively poorly put together in many aspects. I would say it's about a 6/10 for me. Of the DCEU films it is a distant third compared to Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. I am looking forward to Wonder Woman and Justice League, however, since presumably they will have decided on a tone for these films before filming them in their entirety and then trying to make them into something they are not in post-production, as seems to have happened with this film.