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The Smiling Assasin
07-31-2004, 08:18 PM
What, for you, was the most memoroble moment in a video game? Mine is I think is when I first used a holy hand grenade in worms armageddon (lol). Either that, or beating the Fusion dragon in Golden Sun the first time.
The Mirror Emperor
07-31-2004, 08:24 PM
What, for you, is the most memoroble moment in a video game? Mine is I think is when I first used a holy hand grenade in worms armageddon. Either that, or beating the Fusion dragon in Golden Sun the first time.
I remember that Fusion dragon thing too. I'd say the most memorable was the end of Link's Awakening, after you beat the shadow thing.
slightly aboveaverage man
07-31-2004, 08:32 PM
It was a hacked level on Red Alert 2.
Normally in the game, you can get Nuclear silos, which will launch a tactical Nuclear Missile at your target. There are also little ground units called terrorists that you use for suicide bombing things, but only if you are cuba.
Now, this Hacked game had the effect of having every Terrorist create a Nuclear Explosion when he died. I created 500 Terrorists, filling up half the map.
I launched one nuclear missile at the very center of the Terrorists' ranks.
The there were so many ensuing explosions that the game lagged for 20 minutes before it shut itself down due to an overload in the graphics card.
My Memory of the Week: Soul Calibur 2.
I was fighting Sophitia in Weapon Master Mode as Raphael. I started whooping her ass, but soon she regained her breath and went on the offence. She took me down to about Half health before I fell over the edge. I was about to get Ring Out when she continued attacking me! She Juggled me in the air ever the pit for about five seconds, working her way forward as she went. She travelled so far that she herself fell in while I was still in midair.
I am still shocked that in a match that I should not have won for any reason, she managed to lose when all she had to do was not hit me.
Experience of the Year: Smackdown! Here comes the Pain.
It is a wrestling game, and as such has wrestlers. blah.
My friend and I decided to play an Elimination Chamber match, which involves six wrestlers being locked in a giant cage, and a new wrestler is released to fight every 2 minutes. We chose random characters, He ended up with Stone Cold Steve Austin, while I got stuck with the weakest male character in the game: Eric Bishoff.
Now, in real life, Austin and Bishoff are constantly at each others throats. Austin will usually Stone Cold Stunner Eric, and he'll go down.
In the game, my buddy and I decided to have a truce.
So we are fighting the other wrestlers, and I am not doing too bad. I only have a little head damage and I am beating the crap out of Edge. Suddenly, my friend gets a Finisher, and decides to use it. He kicks at Edge in order to set him up for a SMACKDOWN!, but instead hits me.
Then, in true Austin fashion, he accidentally nails me with the Stone Cold Stunner, KO-ing me and eliminating me from the competition.
he laughed for five minutes while I just Glared at him.
KefkaTaran
07-31-2004, 09:08 PM
Playing through FF3 (6jp) on the SNES for the first. Just the whole damned thing.
I'd have to say watching the Aerith death FMV (FF7) for the first time. My jaw dropped, and I just stared at the screen, as the last FF I had played was 2/4. Not a very brag worthy memory, but the one that sticks in my head the most.
Toffeecake
07-31-2004, 11:44 PM
Mine's not exactly brag-worthy either, but my most memorable moment was playing Soul Calibur II in the arcade.
A friend of mine was in a bragging match with a guy who worked at the arcade, about how good they were at the game. I challenged this friend of mine to a game, and we were pretty evenly matched. For some reason, it was unusually crowded that day as well. I picked Kilik as my character and he used Mitsurugi. He won the first round, then I won. The final round, we were neck and neck, trading blow for blow. Soon we were down to one hit each. For my finishing blow, I planned to hit him high a horizontal bo sweep. I got in close, and Kilik drew his arm back. Just as he yelled "Take this!!", Mitsurugi ducked the blow and KOed Kilik with a kick in the shins. There was much rejoicing and weeping. I'm sure it would've gone down in the arcade's history books, if it hadn't shut down a few months later.
IHateMakingNames
07-31-2004, 11:53 PM
Since Myst mentioned it, I also remember Aeris' death. I was just so happy to see Sephiroth stabbed her.
Actual gaming though, I remember when I was about six years old I beat three or four high school/college students in Virtua Fighter 1/2 (Forgot which) in an arcade as the ninja guy in a row.
MasterOfMagic
08-01-2004, 12:15 AM
Mine was when Aeris died in FF7 too. I was so completely pissed off b/c I had been using her as one of my main characters.
Nosferatu
08-01-2004, 12:36 AM
Mine's when i first got the mod Forgottin Hope for battlefield 1942... (After 40 min of map loading..crap ram..) yay it loaded!
I'm on jap side, map is siapan (sp?) so i spawn on the beach. I look out into the water and see a boat coming, it's not on my mini map so i hop on a mounted MG and open fire on it. It says i killed sum1 so i'm happy...but it's still coming... "Crap" so i go full auto on it untill it hits shore... and a tank roll's up the beach... by this time i;m just going....shhhiiiiiiit..... so i just keep going full auto as it roll's up next to me...turns the turrent...and luanch's a 73mm shell in my face at point blank.... oooh fun....
For biggest suprise... what a surprise! Hacked Red alert 2 map!
It looked same as any other map.. 4 island's with 1 island in middle... i figure ok easy i'll just make air. Turns out before i even get 1 air unit the enemy team has already captured the middle island and building's on it... and low and behold one of the building's creat's a helicopter... sure it looks normal...but it's normal weapon FIRES NUKES. So here i am figuring ooh easy kill...wait a second..those arn't bullets!! AHHHHH...
redbead
08-01-2004, 04:42 AM
My most memorable video game moment was playing Mortal Kombat 3 in a bowling ally arcade one day...
I was playing has Sub Zero and generally whipping ass, when some older kid came up and challenged me, all cocky... I thought Hey, this will be easy... He beat me in 15 seconds, both matches... But right before he landed the final blow, I did that move where Sub Zero shoots ice into the air... Then he punched me, killing me... Right when he hit the buttons for his fatality, the ice came down and froze him... He got pissed off and challenged me again... He even payed for it... By this time there was a crowd, so I decided to use my best character, Kabal... He beat me once, but I beat him twice... The crowd cheered, and he challenged me a third time... This time we were both Sub Zero... I froze him, he froze me, etc... It all came down to one more hit in the 3rd match... We both ran at each other, jumped up and did ice clones at the same time... Then we jumped at each other, only to hit the ice clones and freezing... For some reason, the game said finish him... Neither of us knew who had won, and since we were still frozen, we couldn't tell... By the time we were unfrozen, it said Sub Zero wins, only we didn't know which one... Some said I did, some said he did... I got bored and left, but I still think to this day that I won...
darkt0aster
08-02-2004, 10:54 AM
Original Command and Conquer, played on 2 old Macintosh computers across a home network with my friend.
I kinda new he was partial to the grenadier rush after losing to him that way 3 times in a row, so I had to stop him. Other units weren't providing sufficient defense, and defensive structures did next to nothing. I though on this through the next game (lost again) and came up with an idea. Next map was slightly more difficult to manuver corner to corner, so this gave me a little more time but not much. I cranked out the tiberium refineries, sold them, and kept the harvesters (tough to kill). After he started to rush and destroyed about 1/2 my buildings and decoy infantry, I sent in the harvesters and decimated his entire squad of grenadiers (at least 50). After the rush, his base was useless (since he depeted all of his funds and sold his conyard) I built 5 grenadiers, marched over, and destroyed his entire base.
pochercoaster
08-02-2004, 12:30 PM
Seeing John Romero's head on a stick at the end of Doom II, just 'cause I thought it was hilarious. XD
Deathosaurus Wrecks
08-02-2004, 02:07 PM
most recently, i've had a few memorable moments in Front Mission 4. namly, having four wanzers gang rape an enemy, taking him from full health to slag pile in a single linked attack.
back when UT was new, i remember turning team damage and size all the way up, then sitting on top of the building in the Twin Faces (or whatever it was called) and sniping everything that moves. when i got enough kills chained together and the annoucer shouted "M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!" my freind and i just about wet ourselves we were laughing so hard.
G.I.R.
08-02-2004, 02:30 PM
Final Fantasy, original. Finally beating War Mech and not losing a single party member. THAT was priceless.
CelesJessa
08-02-2004, 06:58 PM
Playing through FF3 (6jp) on the SNES for the first. Just the whole damned thing.
I agree with this one. Awesome game.
As for actual gaming by me, rather than just a certain game. I supposed it would have to be one time when I was playing Jedi Knight (a looong time ago) We were doing a Sabers only battle online, and one guy decided that he was too good for sabers, so he got some big explosive gun (I can't remember it's name...) and was killing the rest of us. So he went after me, and I just kept jumping over his blasts and took him down with a few slices of my saber. I thought that was pretty cool at the time. ^^
Meister
08-02-2004, 07:14 PM
Purchasing Grim Fandango on a Friday afternoon, arriving home and immediately instaling it, followed by playing it until Monday afternoon with pauses only to eat and sleep. Not sure if it's the single greatest experience, but it was pretty damn cool. I literally couldn't do anything else (I tried!) because I kept thinking about the puzzles.
Reminds me. I don't think it counts as "great", but it was intense. After playing Mario's Picross for like five days straight, I started dreaming of little boxes and numbers (that being crucial elements to this great puzzle game). I also started seeing little boxes and numbers while wide awake. And I found myself trying to measure every single object I happened to look at in terms of little boxes and numbers (this sentence is easier to understand if you know the mechanics of the game). Slightly scary... not that it stopped me from playing.
Mr. Wind-Up Bird
08-02-2004, 07:28 PM
Deus Ex was full of great moments.
My first playthrough when I got to Maggie Chow's apartment building. I took the back way to get up to the roof, then sniped Maggie through the glass and dropped down inside. Somehow an alarm got set off because I ended up breaking the window and jumping across the gap to Jock's apartment, and in the process breaking both my legs.
I had no heal aug and no health packs so I had no way to repairing them, so as I am crawling around on Jock's balcony, I look back up at at Maggie's apartment and her maid is standing at the edge of the broken window, firing away at me with a pistol. I pull out my GEP gun and as I'm waiting for a lock the maid suddenly backs up, and then JUMPS OUT THE WINDOW after me, making it nowhere near the balcony I was on and presumably falling to a splattery death below, although I couldn't stand up or jump to look over the balcony to see the damage.
I explored Jock's apartment at ground level, and then I realized I couldn't leave because I couldn't stand up to reach some button. I ended up looking around and consuming every soda and food packet I could find, until finally I got 1 health point back in one of my legs and was able to stand up again.
Probably the most surreal sequence of events I have ever witnessed in a video game.
Darth SS
08-02-2004, 08:49 PM
Some of my most memorable moments can be attributed to one glorious game...
Goldeneye.
Two best memories?
1) Pistols only. Both of us hiding behind walls, occasionally popping out to take a shot. After three minutes, I just said, "Screw it." and charged him. He emptied two clips at me. And didn't notice that my path took me right over a body-armor. In return, I head-shot him about six times.
2) Literally covering a hallway with remote mines. Seriously. The walls were completely covered. Friend has to run through it. Say boom. I actually managed to freeze my N64 when it tried to comprehend how many explosions there were.
Aside from that....Soul Calibur II. Friend playing as Astaroth, and is brandishing Soul Edge. We were doing a team battle, and he had three identical Astaroth's.
I was Mitsurugi. Armed with a bokken. I scored three perfects.
Most of DMC1...the odd time in DMC2 that I just had a really bad-ass moment...and in Bujingai when I was airborne in a seemingly endless fight against a boss, that literally took about 16 minutes. I lost.
That, or the first time I got a thousand hit combo. That was gorgeous.
Martyr
08-02-2004, 10:37 PM
My greatest game of Centipede.
After constant playing and getting nowhere, I seemed to develop a magic touch. I was just beating levels. The game is infinite, and i simply for to the point where I just played the final level over and over again.
Maybe it isn't infinite, maybe it was getting harder and harder, but I was just in a zone, man. Like over 20 levels... More than that. Absolutely unkillable, I was.
When I finally quit, it was because I was playing it on my grandmothers computer (From, like, 4pm to 9pm). The next time I played I lost on the 3rd level or so and am still continuing that trend in those (Now rare) circumstances where I still play it.
Also, the first time I pulled off a 100 zergling rush which destroyed a massive protoss base despite their fleet of carriers exploding my last Hive... That, and many moments like that, is priceless.
Windrift-RPG
08-03-2004, 01:29 AM
I had the gaming moment of my life about 3 weeks ago. For any of you that play Counter-Strike and understand how easy it is to get killed, this story will make sense to you.
I was playing as CT on de_dust, 8 vs. 8. My entire team died besides myself, because Ts rushed bridge, and they lost only 1 guy. I happened to go hallway so I dropped down and flanked them, I killed 2 guys with my colt and dodged behind a box where one of them was previously hiding, popped out again and ran across to the boxes on the other side and knocked out 2 more with my colt but was out of bullets at that point, whipped out my usp and unloaded my whole clip, killed BOTH guys comin after me. At this point I had 3 hp and the last guy was spraying his AK in a panic, I didn't have time to reload so I rushed him with knife and headshotted him.
Both teams were absolutely blown away and couldn't believe I offed their whole team in 1 compact area. I mean I've killed 5 or 6 people in one round, but it's always 1 at a time, all spread out through the match. Normally if even 3 people are in a concentrated area, you don't stand a chance. Needless to say, I'll probably never ever do anything that cool ever again in CS.
And yeah. Aeris dying is a pretty freakin' memorable moment.
Lockeownzj00
08-03-2004, 02:41 AM
Ooh so many people giving me ideas. Thanks! I got several now. I won't just list good games, either--really awesome experiences for me.
1) Final Fantasy 6. My first real rpg. I totally agree, Kefka. Does the name show? ;D The best moment for me was when you first see Kefka, and when he is in the desert (whaaat? I love locke, man, but kefka's scenes are so much better!).
2) Deus Ex 1 AND 2, but probably 1 first. The story and the ability to do what I wanted freakin blew me away. I was just immersed in this awesome world...good. I think the really memorable moment in Deus Ex 1 was when I realised I could kill hobos. For 2, it was when I could kill the Ranking Officer of the SCC (I think it was called?). Also, when my friend, while in Germany (in the game), found out that you could toss a body in the air, shoot it with a machine gun, and it would stay in the air as long as you kept shooting it; in fact, it went into the unseeable sky...
2) Counter-Strike map: air_fight2. This is where my CS career shot upwards. I realized my love for small maps and creativity and spent my days playing maps like air_duel (and air_duel_2003), any of nippers' maps, 100rooms, 12gaugecage, and tons of others. Fy maps especially. fy_iceworld2k, fy_aztecworld, fy_anything, basically. I think just the experience and euphoria of playing and winning was amazing. I still play CS, but like any FPS (that i own at of course ;), I get into it, I get out of it, and into it again ;)
4) Goldeneye really opened up FPS gaming for me. Trust me, I'm no FPS-noob NOW, and even then I was a hybrid (console/PC) gamer, but after that, I knew an FPS hands-down. It was the first game that made me realise PCs always get better games 5 years earlier ;)
5) Curse of Monkey Island being a cartoon. It was my first monkey island game, and my brother introduced me to it. Of course, afterwards I proceeded to play the 2 others and Escape when it came out years later. Just the fact that the jokes were so clever, the drawings so interesting, and the puzzles so surreal yet logical made me love the game. Grim Fandango would soon follow. At first, I could only play at my grandma's because I did not have a good enough graphics card! :o But eventually, I got one. Looking back now, years later, I can't believe I waited so long to play it. Run, you pigeons! It's robert frost!
6) Mario Paint! Hee, ho ho ho, hee, ho ho ho, mar-io-PAINT!
mine would have to be a four player game of worms 2 on and island map..
we had out in codes to unlock all the weapons and i went first..i decided to use a super banana bomb and throw it right in the middle of the island...when it exploded it sent other banana bombs out and the end result was one of my friends entire team was totally destroyed despite all his players being spread across the map and the stangest yet is that none from any of other teams including mine were killed..some were mildly damaged but in that first round an entire team was eliminated...
then there is the entire xenogears game from half way in the first story upwards..
FF6 suicide
Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes: first appearance of the ninja
FFT: when i realized that dancing and invisibility equalled unlimited leveling...
summoner_hultsima
08-03-2004, 09:11 PM
Meh the first Final Fantasy I've beaten. FF7.
Video gaming........ the most wonderful of pursuits
anyway
me and my friend were playing time crisis 2 and we got sixth at a really busy arcade and then another time I was playing sc2 and i got 30 wins with yoshmitsu
CheshireThief
08-04-2004, 12:25 AM
I was playing Soldier of Fortune 2 on a map where everyone was using sniper rifles. I got mad because of all the people camping. I saw a sniper up on a roof. I had my knives equipped, because I planned on running up and stabbing him. He saw me coming, and fired, but missed. I threw a knife. From about 15 feet away from the building, with him on the edge of the roof and me on the ground, I got a headshot and killed him by throwing a knife. He accused me of aim-botting, so I got kicked out, but it was fun, nevertheless.
Omega
08-04-2004, 12:31 AM
I was playing Ninja Assault at my local arcade it is a game i play often becaus eit is a first person shooter and i must master them all... any way the game is not that difficult the only real challenge for me is getting incredible accuracy rating and getting the 1st place score... it was the 1st time i had played in over a month (time crisis 3 arrived) i out in my 50 cents my friends gathered to watch the specticle. i beat the 1st 3 levels with 100% accuracy and eventually went on to beat the game for the 1st time on one play. the next day something horrible happened the game has been upgraded to better not broken guns and the prosess of which erased my score... i havent played since (unless you count the fact i own it on ps2 and play at home constantly now)
IHateMakingNames
08-04-2004, 12:38 AM
Ches, you can't get a headshot with a knife. I know this because I used knives all the time, and in knife fights I hit heads often. It hits just like it hits anywhere else. So he had to have been hurt before (You could have hit his head, but it wouldn't have killed him if he had full life).
Speaking of that, I guess I remember when I used to play SoF 2 often with only knives, and doing better then people with guns (I used third person which was cheap for suprise slashing, but I also figured out an easy way to throw knives easily and aim in third person as well, which is how I got most of my kills).
CheshireThief
08-04-2004, 12:44 AM
Ches, you can't get a headshot with a knife. I know this because I used knives all the time, and in knife fights I hit heads often. It hits just like it hits anywhere else. So he had to have been hurt before (You could have hit his head, but it wouldn't have killed him if he had full life).
Speaking of that, I guess I remember when I used to play SoF 2 often with only knives, and doing better then people with guns (I used third person which was cheap for suprise slashing, but I also figured out an easy way to throw knives easily and aim in third person as well, which is how I got most of my kills).
Well that makes my experience less unforgettable now. This whole time I thought that I had aimed my knife perfectly. That sucks.
I'd have to say my momentous first final boss battle. With Smithy of SMRPG fame.
Being the first among my brothers to beat a Zelda, even if it WAS Wind Waker.
swordmaster
08-04-2004, 04:45 PM
The best experience I have ever had with a video game was with Super Tennis for the SNES. The game cheats sooooo bad. You would hit the ball and it goes straight to one side. One time when my friend was over, we got fed up with the game and decided to destroy it. We threw it out of a two story window three times. It landed on the grass then we threw it from the window again and it hit a tree. Then we threw it and it hit the road. The damn thing still works. I swear that it is possessed.
J Man
08-04-2004, 05:38 PM
One of the first times I played a first person shooter, a James Bond game with my friend's N64, with 4 people playing. The conversation as they tried to get me to play was something like this:
Friend: "C'mon, just play it! You'll like it."
Me: "You know I hate first person shooters. Can't we just play something else?"
Friend: "C'mooooon, just play!"
Me: *sigh* "Fine."
About 20 to 30 minutes into game, I was killing everybody with a rapid fire gun and giggling madly as I ran out and killed them, not even caring about my own health. In surprise, they would simply back up and try shooting at me, missing, while I just fired away. That was one of my better gaming experiences with First person shooters.
Another one of my memorable moments was when I was playing Final Fantasy X at 4 in the morning, restarting the game every time I lost the first blitzball match. I restarted it quite a bit until I was convinced that it was impossible to beat.
And my last one was the first time I beat Evrae on Final Fantasy X. I hate levelling up in RPG's, so I simply run away from battles most of the time, so I was stuck on that beast for about a year. Finally, I beat the bastard. What happened next is what made it memorable. Since there's no save spot after you beat him, and you have to cut through a bunch of guards, I decided to, thinking they were easy, so I neglected using potions.
Then I died. As those horrible words, "Game Over" showed their ugly faces on my screen, I felt my heart stop, my eyes widen, and my sweaty hands drop my controller.
I remember that really, really sucked.
Sephiroth Mage
08-06-2004, 03:29 PM
the opening of FF6 (It's what started me getting into video games properly, not just crappy Pokemon games), the end of FFX, Aeris' death (I was screaming and jumping up and down screaming: "GOOOOOOOOOOOO SEPHY!!!!!!!!! SHOW THAT B**CH WHO'S BOSS!!!"), also the opening of FFX. ahhh i can't say!
Speechless
08-06-2004, 05:06 PM
I think my best memory was when i got my new nintendo for christmas a while ago and we slapped duck hunt and and i shot the hell outa every single damn duck to even think about flying across my screen. i beat everybody in the house that day.
Mr. Viewtiful
08-06-2004, 05:14 PM
My most memorable moment was beating Viewtiful Joe.
I was on the final boss, and it took a dozen or so lives to learn the patterns and beat it. The thing that made it so memorable was that it was the final night of the rental, and I also had an English paper due the next day (which I needed to finish). That, and Viewtiful Joe is so awesome that every minute playing it is memorable...
G.I.R.
08-07-2004, 01:11 AM
J Man, I feel your pain on the FFX Blitzball game. I did the same thing. Over... and over... and over and over... Finally, I freeking won! Don't ask me how I did it, but I did. I must have sat through at least a half a day's work of time, maybe more, trying to beat it. I was jumping all over the place when I finally did it. I was so proud of myself. From there on out, I became a Blitzball fiend. I think I was one of the few people who played FFX that kept playing Blitzball just because I enjoyed playing the game. If my PS2 was still functioning, I'd probably go back and play it right now just to play a few matches of Blitzball! I never got Jecht Shot 2, but one day I will... :D
The_Bear
08-07-2004, 02:16 AM
My absolute best moment in gaming would be the day I scored 107 kills in a 4v4 Halo match. Almost twice as many kills as anyone else. Too bad it was a CTF match...
My second best moment was when I beat FFV before my brother. The first game I've ever beaten before him. Now I beat about 40% of our games first.
Finally, my third best moment is the Monkey Island series. If you've played them, you know what I'm talking about.
Nosferatu
08-07-2004, 02:35 AM
OH monkey island... the game that just loves to piss you off.... yes after like 6 days straight of wondering what the fug to do in those games u finaly beat them... I of Course just gave up.
Dante
08-07-2004, 10:05 AM
Played MechWarrior online, used the dinky crap mech you start with and killed a medium mech with quad medium lasers with headshots all the way, while somehow evading every single shot he fired at me.
The fact that we were circle-strafing each other at close range was cool too.
felth
08-08-2004, 07:04 AM
A have a couple that stand out in my mind, (spoilers abound):
1) Crono died (Chrono Trigger): I couldn't believe it. My mouth was hanging open, and when I finally managed to speak after a couple of minutes, the thoughts came rushing out at once (verbally, oddly enough although no one but me was around to hear). "He'll come back, right? I mean, they couldn't just kill off the hero... could they? Oh man! I think they're continuing on without him! The HERO just DIED in the middle of a game!"
2) The Skeleton King (Diablo): My first ill-planned assault on the Skeleton King in level 3 of the dungeon. I was feeling pretty badass from my fresh defeat of the Butcher in level 2, and I set up a similar battle plan: leave a closable door that's near a grate, get his attention, run away behind the door and close it, then safely shoot away with bows and magic. Everything went as planned, until the moment it all went wrong. I characterize the moment with my exact words uttered when it happened. "OH CRAP!! HE CAN OPEN DOORS!! RUN AWAY!!!"
Meister
08-08-2004, 12:33 PM
1) Crono died (Chrono Trigger): I couldn't believe it. My mouth was hanging open, and when I finally managed to speak after a couple of minutes, the thoughts came rushing out at once (verbally, oddly enough although no one but me was around to hear). "He'll come back, right? I mean, they couldn't just kill off the hero... could they? Oh man! I think they're continuing on without him! The HERO just DIED in the middle of a game!"
No offense, but I always thought it was kinda senseless to kill the one character that is nothing more than an empty shell for the player to project himself into. All we know about Crono is that he can handle a katana, lives with his mom and keeps cats. Not what I'd call deep character, especially compared to all the others. I myself remember thinking "Oh crap! I gotta get him back somehow, there must be a way...
... wait a minute... why exactly?"
But hey, if it worked for you, fine with me. ;)
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