Counter-Strike 1.6

[Windrift-RPG]

Apparently Valve went bankrupt, so counter-strike and other half-life mods are now played through Steam (WON identification is gone, as well). Well, with the transfer over to Steam, they enforced an upgrade from counter-strike 1.5 to 1.6. And well, I'd just like to say, 1.6 is effin' terrible. Poor quality servers, near unreadable text, pixellated graphics (not that there's anything wrong with pixels in certain circumstances :p), even WORSE sounding voice communication, addition of newbie guns, nerfing of old guns, ah man.. the list goes on. Worst of all, they totally screwed up my old favorite map, Aztec. I also noticed that bullets land much more often now, even when your crosshair is not precisely on someone, making it much easier to kill people (and much easier to die).

What are the sentiments of the other CSers out there?

[Living Bobbeh]

First let me congratulate you on talking about a year old thingy. Steam has been out for about a year now (I think, it's nothing new) and I've heard the CS1.6 sucks, But CS1.5 Still works if you had the full version. I fooked up my steam by forgeting the e-mail I resistered with (Used a fake) and now it don't work :(

[KefkaTaran]

Also: Valve didn't go bankrupt. I dunno where you heard that info, but just the thought is ridiculous. Valve CREATED Steam. And it's a good system if they can learn to implement it right.

[Windrift-RPG]

First let me congratulate you on talking about a year old thingy. Steam has been out for about a year now

Uhh, let me congratulate you on your unfounded sarcasm. 1.5 was playable up until last week through CS's internal connection methods using WON identification. They took away 1.5 at one other point, and immediately implemented it again, as they lost almost their entire player base. But now everything has officially moved up to 1.6, and the ONLY method of connecting is through Steam. Valve and WON are completely dead. You HAVE to use Steam and 1.6. This is not year old news, it just happened.

Also: Valve didn't go bankrupt. I dunno where you heard that info, but just the thought is ridiculous.

That is what I read in an article addressing why Valve and WON identification were disappearing, and Steam was going to be made the only method for playing CS. I'll look and see if I can find it again. I realize Valve made Steam, but I'm thinking Valve went bankrupt and was bought out, and that's why everything has been switched over. Could be wrong.

[KefkaTaran]

Windrift: Trust me, that's wrong. Valve didn't go bankrupt. Think of it this way: They made Half-Life and they released the MILLIONS of different incarnations of Half-Life. These guys are ROLLING in cash.

WON may have gone bankrupt. I believe WON was a seperate entity from Valve, and they no longer have an existing website, so that'd make sense.

[Windrift-RPG]

Windrift: Trust me, that's wrong. Valve didn't go bankrupt. Think of it this way: They made Half-Life and they released the MILLIONS of different incarnations of Half-Life. These guys are ROLLING in cash.

WON may have gone bankrupt. I believe WON was a seperate entity from Valve, and they no longer have an existing website, so that'd make sense.

You're probably right, I know for sure WON is gone. And so is 1.5. And steam is required.

/cry

[Lockeownzj00]

Steam is good. I don't know why people resist.

"Hmm, faster connections, integrated interface, auto-updating, and in-game messaging? No way! I'd like this crappy WON list instead."

Steam > all. It had problems, and they're fixed.

Besides, besides hte semi-cheap shield, not much is 'shitty.'

But yeah it is year old news...WON was going to be gotten rid of for a very long time.

I actually think you still might be able to play 1.5 through steam. Seem to remember my friends mentioning it.

[Windrift-RPG]

Steam is good. I don't know why people resist.
Steam is good. I never complained about steam. But 1.6 is not good.

Something that does suck about Steam is the fact that so many people that bought a legit copy of half-life/CS can't use their CD key, and they have to go through a ton of hassle (and possibly expense) or simply buy a new copy just to play. Thankfully I did not have that problem. For anyone with this problem, go to Wal-Mart, they have the original half-life for $14. Everywhere else is selling that platinum crap that is $49.99 because it comes with a couple mods that are freeware. :rolleyes:

Besides, besides hte semi-cheap shield, not much is 'shitty.'
I disagree muchly, as stated in my original post.

But yeah it is year old news...WON was going to be gotten rid of for a very long time.
My intent was discuss that it finally happened. And it sucks.

I actually think you still might be able to play 1.5 through steam.
There are rumors and my buddy is trying to set up a server for it, but so far no one has had success.

[KefkaTaran]

I had the CD Key problem. Luckily for Valve, I guess, I'm some sort of Half-Life freak and didn't even feel bad dropping down $30 for the huge platinum pack. I just told myself it was a good way to get my HL collection reorganized before HL2 hits.

Only thing I honestly dislike about Steam is that you need to be online to play single-player HL. I mean it has an offline mode, but it's an annoying hassle to get to. But, since I don't do dial-up, that doesn't really affect me much. :P

EDIT: Only places like Wal-Mart are selling the Plat. pack for $50. And only cause they're ridiculous. I got it for $30 online and I probably could've got it for less if I'd looked around a little more.

[Windrift-RPG]

EDIT: Only places like Wal-Mart are selling the Plat. pack for $50.
That's weird. Out here in AZ, every gaming store I went to had Half-Life for $49.99, and it was the platinum pack with all of the mods included. Then there was condition zero for $39.99/29.99. But I went to Wal-Mart and they had the original Half-Life, $14 bucks.

Something else I completely forgot to address about 1.6. Aimbot is BACK!!!! UGH. Every other server I join has some idiot rotating in circles at 100mph, doing the helicopter. And if you observe them in first person their screen shakes like Mt. Saint Helens is exploding on their mousepad. Yet somehow they kill people behind walls, across the map, people they can't see, and all bullets go right towards the head. And they have the audacity to deny that they are hacking. If only I were some sort of universal admin... :bmage:

[KefkaTaran]

Windrift: Check Amazon or Newegg.com.

[Windrift-RPG]

Windrift: Check Amazon or Newegg.com.

I did, before I went to Wal-Mart. Same prices. No shipping cost/waiting period.

[KefkaTaran]

Really? Did you? That's funny:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=32-128-103&depa=0

20.00. I'd say even with the HIGHEST shipping option that's better than $50. And, y'know, you can always choose the lowest.

[Living Bobbeh]

I'm having a problem with steam. I used my CD key to register on a differant e-mail (I made the e-mail up) and now I can't register my CD key to my proper e-mail. I don't remember any details about the old e-mail, the acount name or it's password. All I want is a game of TS.

[KefkaTaran]

Psymon, I dunno if or how you can fix that past trying to contact tech support for Steam. Good luck.

[Windrift-RPG]

Really? Did you? That's funny:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=32-128-103&depa=0

20.00. I'd say even with the HIGHEST shipping option that's better than $50. And, y'know, you can always choose the lowest.

Uh, why would I pay $20+ shipping and waiting period when I got it at the local Wal-Mart for $14? Everything in there is freeware besides the actual Half-Life CD.

Why is everyone so sarcastic on these boards?

'm having a problem with steam. I used my CD key to register on a differant e-mail (I made the e-mail up) and now I can't register my CD key to my proper e-mail. I don't remember any details about the old e-mail, the acount name or it's password. All I want is a game of TS.

Yeah... you can get that fixed, but it is a hassle. Run Steam and go through all the registration nonsense, let it tell you that your CD key is already registered. Then there is a list of help options. Most of them will tell you to send the clipping or CD case with your CD key on it to them, and they will reset it. I think there is also a way to photograph your receipt, box, and serial number, and send jpegs to them by e-mail, and they will reset it. Browse the options on Steam, they will tell you what you can do about it.

[KefkaTaran]

Windrift: WRONG. That has Half-Life, Opposing Force, and Blue Shift, all of which is not freeware. It includes Counter-Strike and several other mods that are freeware and you just told me the Plat pack costs $50 everywhere you looked. You then confirmed you had checked Amazon and Newegg and it was the same. Which it wasn't on Newegg.

Good game.

[Windrift-RPG]

Windrift: WRONG. That has Half-Life, Opposing Force, and Blue Shift, all of which is not freeware. It includes Counter-Strike and several other mods that are freeware and you just told me the Plat pack costs $50 everywhere you looked. You then confirmed you had checked Amazon and Newegg and it was the same. Which it wasn't on Newegg.

Good game.

Hey Kefka, why don't you stop freaking out, and read what I wrote. If you spent less time trying so hard to win some imaginary debate that you're having with yourself, you'd realize I said on Amazon I looked for the original Half-Life, NOT the platinum pack, which is FOURTEEN DOLLARS, SAME AS WAL-MART. The $49.99 platinum pack was IN STORES, NOT ONLINE. Got it now? Great.
That's weird. Out here in AZ, every gaming store I went to had Half-Life for $49.99

But I went to Wal-Mart and they had the original Half-Life, $14 bucks.

I did, before I went to Wal-Mart. Same prices. No shipping cost/waiting period.

There's no reason to get huffy, sheesh.

Some people really need to learn relax. :rolleyes:

[KefkaTaran]

Dude, I think you're the one who needs to calm down. I'm not freaking out, and I tend not to on the boards. Funny how you can judge emotion through text. Although, honestly, you didn't make yourself very clear at all about which you were talking about. Like you just pointed out, those were three seperate phrases from three different areas on a post.

My point, anyways, is that you can get the Half-Life Platinum pack with HL and both its expansions plus all the added mods (only need to d/l a couple updates) for only 20 bucks plus s&h (which if I remember correctly, is extremely cheap from Newegg if you choose the lowest option and are willing to wait a couple days). It costs $25 on Amazon, I think, but there you can get it for free shipping and handling also.

[Living Bobbeh]

There's nothing I can do to sort my problem, so I'll proberly buy a new HL tomorrow, which is £10 (about $18-19), I don't need to buy the generations pack as I already have it.

[Fabricated]

Steam is good. I never complained about steam. But 1.6 is not good.

Something that does suck about Steam is the fact that so many people that bought a legit copy of half-life/CS can't use their CD key, and they have to go through a ton of hassle (and possibly expense) or simply buy a new copy just to play. Thankfully I did not have that problem. For anyone with this problem, go to Wal-Mart, they have the original half-life for $14. Everywhere else is selling that platinum crap that is $49.99 because it comes with a couple mods that are freeware. :rolleyes:

...you don't need to buy HL again to get on Steam.

Install HL, run it, enter your CD key. Download steam, run steam, convert your files to the steam cache. Boom, done.

[Windrift-RPG]

you didn't make yourself very clear at all about which you were talking about. Like you just pointed out, those were three seperate phrases from three different areas on a post.
Well, if you'd bothered to read those 3 posts before commenting on them, you'd have realized you had nothing to argue about.

"Good game."

...you don't need to buy HL again to get on Steam.

Install HL, run it, enter your CD key. Download steam, run steam, convert your files to the steam cache. Boom, done.

This is actually a pretty large problem for the CS community right now. Copying the files over you must re-enter your CD key in steam. Was it not always like that? I know for sure Steam asks for your HL CD key after it copies the files, and it will not allow you to play if the CD key is invalid (despite having the files copied over). And for whatever reason, many valid CD keys don't actually work and need to be reset. The transfer has been pretty messy, they still have a lot of things to work out.

[Living Bobbeh]

I think they should just reset Steam. Because they've had loads of people saying their CD key don't work (Way over the 1000's). they should just set the whole entire thing, all the CD keys wiped from the system

[KefkaTaran]

Psymon: But if the CD keys aren't working now with it as it is, it makes one wonder if they'd work upon reset? Chances are they'd reset it and have everyone still complaining that their CD key doesn't work and now all those with working ones having to go through all the trouble of re-entering them, etc...

It must be some sort of problem with Steam's database, but unless they know what the exact problem is, not sure how they'd go about fixing it.

[Windrift-RPG]

I think they should just reset Steam. Because they've had loads of people saying their CD key don't work (Way over the 1000's). they should just set the whole entire thing, all the CD keys wiped from the system

Unfortunately this would not resolve the issue. One of the main problems with the serial number is that brand new, never before purchased CD keys are already registered with Steam. This is because there used to be many sites dedicating to generating and passing around CD keys, so a lot of people with legit serials have about 5000 other people using that same serial. It just never mattered before because WON didn't care. Then steam arrived, and a lot of people with ill-gotten CD keys went and registered them, leaving the people who actually purchased it, high and dry. If steam were to be completely reset, people with illegit CD keys would still in some instances manage to register before the people who actually paid for it. The only solution is to send in proof of your purchase to Steam and have them reset it, 1 by 1 ;/

(That or just buy a new one.)

[Fabricated]

Well, if you'd bothered to read those 3 posts before commenting on them, you'd have realized you had nothing to argue about.

"Good game."



This is actually a pretty large problem for the CS community right now. Copying the files over you must re-enter your CD key in steam. Was it not always like that? I know for sure Steam asks for your HL CD key after it copies the files, and it will not allow you to play if the CD key is invalid (despite having the files copied over). And for whatever reason, many valid CD keys don't actually work and need to be reset. The transfer has been pretty messy, they still have a lot of things to work out.
Steam never, EVER asked me for my HL CD key. Ever.

[Living Bobbeh]

Hmmmm....Did you get the free version that came with '101 Pc games' that lets you DL the games without a CD key?

[Fabricated]

No. I own a legit copy of Half Life. After installing it and entering the CD key pre-steam, I'm not asked to enter it again after converting it over to Steam. I've installed HL 3 times like this, and haven't had to give my CD key to steam, ever.

[Living Bobbeh]

Do you install it in it's own folder like (D:\steam) or in the half life folder like (D:\serria\steam)?

[HRslammR]

CS sucks. get a new game. :)

i'm all for CS2, but jesus, CS just needs to die.

[Windrift-RPG]

No. I own a legit copy of Half Life. After installing it and entering the CD key pre-steam, I'm not asked to enter it again after converting it over to Steam. I've installed HL 3 times like this, and haven't had to give my CD key to steam, ever.

Have you done this recently? I wonder if it is only a new thing that you are required to enter it. You're lucky, in either case.

CS sucks. get a new game. :)

i'm all for CS2, but jesus, CS just needs to die.

Haha. Blasphemer!

Viva la CS!!!!!

Seriously though, CS is probably the only first person shooter that I enjoy on the same level. Quake 2 LMCTF was close, back in the day. Unreal2k4 doesn't do it for me at all. Maybe this Doom 3 will change things.

[Lockeownzj00]

Quake 3 didnt do anything for you? Unreal2k4 didn't do anything for you? Are you kidding?

Doom 3 is an awesome SP experience. Donno what multiplayer's like yet, but I will later.

[Windrift-RPG]

Quake 3 didnt do anything for you? Unreal2k4 didn't do anything for you? Are you kidding?

Doom 3 is an awesome SP experience. Donno what multiplayer's like yet, but I will later.

I hated Quake 3 and Unreal2k4 :|

I'm an avid Doomer though, I'm definitely going to check out Doom 3. Looks like something I will be able to get into.

[KefkaTaran]

I really really REALLY love the Unreal2k4 demo I have. Onslaught is a blast. But I dunno when I'll finally get around to buying the real thing. Never liked Quake 3 much either though.

[Lockeownzj00]

!

Will you guys, as a favor, play quake3 for me again soon? Maybe you're thinking of a different game, but maybe if you re-experience it you'll realize it's awesome ;)

Bittorrent: Quake 3 (http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2289/Quake.III.Arena-HERA.torrent)

Quake 3: Team Arena (http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2347/Q3TA-rar.torrent)

[Windrift-RPG]

!

Will you guys, as a favor, play quake3 for me again soon? Maybe you're thinking of a different game, but maybe if you re-experience it you'll realize it's awesome ;)

Bittorrent: Quake 3 (http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2289/Quake.III.Arena-HERA.torrent)

Quake 3: Team Arena (http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2347/Q3TA-rar.torrent)

Hahah.. I played Quake 3 enough to know I'll never get into it. What I do want to try again eventually is U2k4 Onslaught.

I like the realism of CS. It's a bit more strategic than most FPSers, you can't get shot 5 times with a rocket propelled missile, and just walk it off. The objectives also require some strategy and teamwork which is fun.

[synkr0nized]

Only if you're lucky and the others on the server aren't all ten-year olds.

UT made me slightly annoyed with the 2k3 release, basically a hold-over until 2k4. Whee. Thanks a bunch, guys. That, and it's choppy. I guess 3.5 years finally caught up to my computer.

Quake 3 is just fun if you play with friends and the like. Other than that, it's like every other multiplayer FPS before it, just with prettier graphics.

[KefkaTaran]

*has copies of both Quake 3 and Quake 3 Team Arena sitting on his shelf* I just never liked them much. Honestly. I much prefer the Unreal Tourney games for that style of play. They were fun, I just didn't much get into 'em.

Seriously though, when I do buy UT2k4 (which I now know I will eventually) it will BE for Onslaught. I mean other stuff's fun, but Onslaught is just f'ing AWESOME.

[Lockeownzj00]

Man, Quake (3) gives me the ultimate adrenaline rush. It represents the epitome of tournament gaming to me, yanno? I'ma click those bittorrent links about now... ;)

Onslaught and Assault are great. But it's still got classic deathmatch.

I guess that's my point. Quake 3 isn't like all other generic shooters out there, all other generic shooters out there are like IT. You see what I'm saying? Of all the 'generic' ones, might as well choose the most popular and most legendary, neh?

[KefkaTaran]

Out of a huge group of generic shooters, I'd certainly choose Quake 3. But against anything else (say Half-Life's multiplayer mods and UT2k4), it's doubtful that I would. :)