View Full Version : Cats Vs. Dogs Vs. Those other animals
Psrdirector
01-16-2005, 12:14 PM
Cats rule! Dogs are the spawn of satan! and the rest are of verying degrees
Lucerin Red
01-16-2005, 12:57 PM
I hate them both, and I wants them all to burn in a firery pit of those who's lives I've crushed to build my empire
Vicious
01-16-2005, 01:36 PM
Don't particularly care for either, but last night's Futurama sort of made me consider getting a dog. Fry found a fossil of his old dog, and wanted to bring it back. In the end, he decided not to, because the dog lived for 12 years after Fry was frozen, and Fry said his dog had probably had a good, long life and had forgotten about him... Anyway, they do a flashback, and after Fry was frozen, his dog sat outside of his pizza place job and waited on him for 12 years...Made me choke up a little... Damnit.
BlackMageGirl!
01-16-2005, 03:45 PM
Dude, both are awesome. Cats are the ones who keep dogs in line...and dogs provide all sorts of entertainment. So, both are freaking awesome. =P
My Lead Airbag
01-16-2005, 03:48 PM
Yeah, that was a little bit of a tearjerker. I forget where I saw it, but a website had like the 25 greatest Futurama moments and made that clip #1 (they said if you didn't get why it got #1, you need to die of no-heart disease).
Anyways, Cats are too smart for their own good. Plus, the upkeep on those beasts is horrendous. Get a nice dumb-as-dirt dog who will love you forever with unconditional love.
EDIT: Also, I can't imagine buying a tropical fish or reptile that you can't take out of its cage and basically exists just to eat the expensive food you buy for it.
Thanatos
01-16-2005, 04:15 PM
Cats are evil. People think they are the masters over the cat, but cats are the ones truelly in charge. this is however my definition of a cat:
A soft, indestructible automaton provided by nature to be kicked when things go wrong in the domestic circle.
Now a dog is a loyal and faithful companion. It is there to bring love to its owner. He is also infinately wise
Dog -- A kind of additional or subsidiary Deity designed to catch the overflow and surplus of the world's worship. This Divine Being in some of his smaller and silkier incarnations takes, in the affection of Woman, the place to which there is no human male aspirant. The Dog is a survival -- an anachronism. He toils not, neither does he spin, yet Solomon in all his glory never lay upon a door-mat all day long, sun-soaked and fly-fed and fat, while his master worked for the means wherewith to purchase the idle wag of the Solomonic tail, seasoned with a look of tolerant recognition.
The Kneumatic Pnight
01-16-2005, 04:38 PM
Cats are the spawn of hell. I don't trust any animal that can't get along with ANYTHING and, instead of killing something like a normal animal, will torture it to death and then not eat it! [This said from watching cats on a farm.] Cats don't love you, they don't care. Your cat would as soon eat your sweet, sweet eye jelly as look at you. Your dog, however, will give up its life to protect you. There ARE a few exceptions to this. Like Lions, they aren't so bad, and Marshmallow Kitty from the comic girly and all other kitties like it. That said, all other cats are hellspawn incarnate and are a plague on this earth. Ancient egypt warshipped them, and just look where that civilization is now.
Dogs are, however, one of the best animals ever to grace this earth.
CHICAGO¤lollie
01-16-2005, 06:27 PM
Cats. All your base are belong to them.
Seriously though, cats are just so much easier to deal with. Plus, that whole "Nine lives" dealie really comes in handy.
QueenQeeko
01-16-2005, 06:47 PM
Not to mention they can take care of themselves to a large degree. I prefer cats to dogs. Dogs freakin' scare me, vicious beasts they are.
VA_Ninja
01-16-2005, 07:13 PM
I like cats and dogs equally. Except the ones that are hairless. That's creepy.
CelesJessa
01-16-2005, 07:21 PM
Personally, dogs scare me, (unless they don't jump up at your or anything) And while cats don't seem like they care that much, they do love you. I used to have 3 cats and one day I was home sick from school and even though they all hate each other, they all sat on, or around me to make me at least feel a little better. And when I cry, my cat, Emmy is always there.
And cats don't get along with anything? Appearently you haven't met my Oreo. During a cat show I took him to, he wanted to sit with EVERYONE. and Milky Way and Snickers, my friend's cats, are the nicest cats you'll ever meet, you can't go anywhere without Milkyway trying to lick you and snuggle with you.
Plus I've never had a friend have to go to the hospital for a cat attacking them. ^^;; Anyway, I love cats the best, personally. ^^
QueenQeeko
01-16-2005, 07:28 PM
Personally, dogs scare me, (unless they don't jump up at your or anything) And while cats don't seem like they care that much, they do love you. I used to have 3 cats and one day I was home sick from school and even though they all hate each other, they all sat on, or around me to make me at least feel a little better. And when I cry, my cat, Emmy is always there.
And cats don't get along with anything? Appearently you haven't met my Oreo. During a cat show I took him to, he wanted to sit with EVERYONE. and Milky Way and Snickers, my friend's cats, are the nicest cats you'll ever meet, you can't go anywhere without Milkyway trying to lick you and snuggle with you.
Plus I've never had a friend have to go to the hospital for a cat attacking them. ^^;; Anyway, I love cats the best, personally. ^^
Now THAT is what I like to hear other people say about cats :)
My cat Binkie was similar to your Emmy, CJ. If I was upset, sick or hurt, instead of nipping my ankles and asking to play, he's sits next to me and purr, and just be a comforting presence.
And on the friendly side of things, he was not unfriendly to other people, just a little unsure, but I won't forget the day when Chicago was at my house, and Binkie, having only known Chicago a very brief amount of time, happily perched on Chicago's lap and settled there for a good two hours.
Okay, granted, dogs can carry out commands and are loyal and protect you, but they also are way too dangerous for my liking. I"ve never done anything to upset any dog, this includes staying out of their territroy, not bothering them when they eat of have puppies, puling ears and tail, etc, but dogs seem o always attack me for no reason... :(
My Lead Airbag
01-16-2005, 07:33 PM
Plus I've never had a friend have to go to the hospital for a cat attacking them. ^^;;
I have. My uncle got scratched up enough to need three stitches. Plus, the only dogs I've ever seen that could be deemed 'scary' belong to rednecks and the police, both of whom train them to be hard as nails badasses, while every single cat I've been in contact with, whether its a single uncle to a family of six, has always been hostile.
Dogs are better judges of character I think. As long as you're cool around them, they'll accept you as a newest bestest friend for life. A cat will crawl out of its Hidden Command Center, look at you, hiss, then go away.
And when's the last time you saw a Seeing-Eye Cat?
Seriously though, cats are just so much easier to deal with. Plus, that whole "Nine lives" dealie really comes in handy.
Cats are easier to deal with? I've never been forced to degrade myself to scoop up a four legged animals excrements.
VA_Ninja
01-16-2005, 07:42 PM
I agree with the "dogs are a better judge of character" statement. While waiting in the car, my dog Dingo(Female bull terrier mix) just sat by, watching people leave the store we parked in front of. But when this group of really bad/weird looking teens walked out, she started growling and barking at them, yet she did this for no other person who walked out of the store.
my mom said that once we get settled in our new house, I can finally have a cat. Just two more weeks...
Lost in Time
01-16-2005, 07:50 PM
I love my cats. I have 3 cats at this moment. One always has to sit on my lap when I'm at the computer. Also whenever I'm - or anyone else here - is upset they'll come up to you want just keep you company.
My cats are only annoying when they're hungry or want to go outside.
I had a dog once, it was annoying, always barking or wanting something, and the thing just wouldn't lay down. Had it for four months, and decided to sell it to my neighbor.
The Kneumatic Pnight
01-16-2005, 07:50 PM
Cats are easier to deal with? I've never been forced to degrade myself to scoop up a four legged animals excrements.
Quite right. Also, my uncle got his jugular cut by a freakish house cat. So maybe I'm a little biased, but yes he was hospitalized. And of course, all the dogs I've met are either laid back or too lazy to get up and bug you unless A. you're sad, in which case they'll come sit on you and lick your hand or something, even if you don't know them that well, or B. ask them to play, in which case, they'll play.
And I've seen more scary cats in my day than scary dogs. You don't think a cat can be scary, you ever seen one of those huge, scraggly, one-eyed, scratched up alleycats that arch their backs at anything and everything that moves? The ones that always look like they're wet and pissed off about it for some mysterious reason? Yeah, those cats prowl around where I live.
I would also like to submit that cats are FAR more likely, in general, to jump on you than a dog is. And they're far more likely to torture small animals to death, which isn't nice no mater what animal it is. To be quite frank, I prefer snakes to cats. And I don't like snakes.
Of course, maybe I'm not the best person to judge becasue my dog (a freakish welsh corgi if that helps anyone picture him) acts like a cat because he cleans his face like a cat and rubs up against you to get petted.
But hey, dogs are still better because they aren't all haughty. Pets are pets at your discretion and if ANY animal acts like you owe them something they're too self righteous for their own good.
Dynamite220
01-16-2005, 09:16 PM
Hear, hear! I've never met a nice cat in my entire damn life and it is more saturated with cats then I would prefer. Maybe there are some kinder specimines among the felines. I know that there are some kind specimins among dogs. Mostly, though, it depends on the kind of dog, and how well the dog is trained.
Cats aren't pets. They're people with four legs (which explains why I don't get along with them). They love you or hate you for the same nonsence reasons that people do. They lord over the house and demand their freedom and they don't give two shits from here to hell unless you give them a good reason which has to do with their own well being.
MasterOfMagic
01-16-2005, 09:29 PM
Hmm. Dogs or cats, dogs or cats. Cats of course. They keep away the dreaded mice, which is an extremely good thing. They don't eat the chickens, or the chickens eggs, and I know that I could defend myself from them if they got angry.
My dog, dosen't kill the mice, knocks over the garbage can, does eat the chickens and their eggs. My dog also has to be put up at night so she doesn't run with her pack, leaving a devastated trial in her wake, and increasing her chances of getting hit by traffic. Its happened many times before. It won't happen agian.
So, I love both my cats and my dog equally, but the cats are alot easier to take care of. Feed them once in the morning, and they'll feed themselves if they get hungry later on. No worries about putting them up at night, as they take care of themselves, and don't destroy our nieghbors property.
EDIT: Oh, and every single one of my cats are nice, they let you pet them, don't stratch a soul (unless provoked. I've got a few scars from that...), and the kittens even follow you around (So does Gi-gi, a full grown cat, but she's just wierd).
Thanatos
01-16-2005, 10:00 PM
Cats don't have to attack people to send them to the hospital. Cats prey on people who are allergic to them. In a room of people filled with cat lovers and one person who is allergic to cats, a cat will focus on the person who is allergic. It will ignore everyone else to rub against that persons leg. and whenever that person pushes it away, or a cat lover pulls it away, it returns immediately to the person who is allergic.
And dogs only attack for two main reasons a.) it has been commanded to do so. or b.) it interprets something you have done as aggresive. I have worked with dogs for many years, including trained guard dogs, and they are all sweet little push overs. The thing with guard dogs is you can't show fear. Get down on their level and hold out your hand palm up (holding palm down looks like you are going to hit them.) The dog will approach cautiously. Do not reach for the dog let it come to you. When it finally reaches you and sniffs your hand, scratch its chin (do not pat its head, as this pushes the head down and forces it into a position of submission). If the dog still seems snappish or aggressive when it approaches you, then back away slowly. Generally this won't happen, but if so don't look away, which shows submission, but don't move quickly which can be interpretted as aggresive movements.
Krylo
01-16-2005, 10:14 PM
Thanatos: You're supposed to force dogs into positions of submission to force them into being nice to you. Dogs are pack animals, and if you don't force them to be submissive they're going to think they're the alpha and still bite your ass the first time you make a move on them. Stare them down until they look away, force their heads down, get them onto their backs. Once you've done one of these things that dog will not fuck with you unless you threaten its very life. That's also why you don't show fear. You show fear and they IMMEDIATELY consider you either part of a different pack or as a lesser member of their own pack than they are.
Of course, that's just because dogs are simple minded when it comes to everything except memorization. They only understand the pack. They don't understand caring for someone on the basis of who or what that person/dog is, but only on whether or not that person/dog is part of their pack or part of a different pack.
Cats are quite a bit different. They aren't pack animals, but when you get one as a pet they're forced into a pack anyway. However, they don't have any kind of pack mentality. This means that they're going to treat you better or worse depending on how you treat them.
If you treat a cat well it will love you and be more loyal than any dog (my cat is a good case in point. It follows me around, protects me, comes when I call it etc.), if you treat a cat decently but not well, it will just act like a normal cat... be haughty, decide when it wants to be petted, and not let you pick it up unless it jumps into your arms. If you treat one like shit, it will bide its time until it can kill you and feast upon your delicious flesh.
Like Dynamite said, cats are a lot more like humans than dogs are. Cats aren't as emotionally shallow as a dog. You have to work to get a cat's love. A dog just loves you because it's in your pack. You aren't special to the dog, it's pack is... you just happen to be part of it.
CelesJessa
01-16-2005, 10:25 PM
Even though there are no "seeing eye cats" or whatever, cats have saved their owners and risked life-and-limb before. Like this one lady's cat kept pushing her back as well as the little cat could, letting her know that there was a rattlesnake in the house. And this other lady passed out because of low insulin or something like that, and was in danger, and the cat went to bug the son who was in the other room playing video games until he looked up and saw his mom passed out. And you can't forget the mother cat who ran back and forth in and out of a fire to save all of her kittens.
And the cat will most likely rub against the allergic person because that's the person who is most likely not paying attention to him at the time. (some cats will prefer the less "aggressive" people, the people who won't reach out and pet the cat and try to hold it)
Archbio
01-16-2005, 10:31 PM
Also, if I die, my eye-jelly is going to waste anyway, so my cat eating it isn't much of a bother.
Thanatos
01-17-2005, 12:13 AM
Thanatos: You're supposed to force dogs into positions of submission to force them into being nice to you. Dogs are pack animals, and if you don't force them to be submissive they're going to think they're the alpha and still bite your ass the first time you make a move on them. Stare them down until they look away, force their heads down, get them onto their backs. Once you've done one of these things that dog will not fuck with you unless you threaten its very life. That's also why you don't show fear. You show fear and they IMMEDIATELY consider you either part of a different pack or as a lesser member of their own pack than they are.
Actually if you force a dog into submission it is more likely to attack in order to establish its dominance. Mainting eye contact, however, will cause the dog into willing submission. It will see you as a.) non-agressive, and b.) dominant. Making any movement such as forcing its head down or making sudden movements shows aggressiveness and the dog will attack to defend itself. I have raised and trained dogs for many years. I have never been attacked and made some of the most agressive dogs turn docile toward me.
Until you have gained a dogs trust, you are not going to get your hand on its head without it attacking, nor are you going to get it on its back. Trying to do so is bound to end with you getting bit.
If you get down on the dogs level you are as imposing a figure so you don't seem as much of a threat. Holding your palm upward is a sign of intorduction given to most trained dogs. This is not aggressive in anyway and the dog should approach you. By this time it has probably already lowered its head in submission. It's still not wise to pat its head, because he may read this as you are about to hit him. But when you scratch his neck, don't raise his chin because this will force it to make eye contact which will frighten the dog.
Melfice
01-17-2005, 02:47 AM
Seeing as this is also "those other animals", I'll be describing my canary Koko. (The following things dogs or cats can never do.)
1) My bird drinks beer. Beer! And get drunk. And perform drunken-fist fighting. (I kid you not!) And ofcourse get the occasional hangover the next morning.
2) He has the uncanny ability to make you spill your drinks. By taking a bath in your drinking glass. And not getting out again, making you spill the contents of said glass.
3) Flying into walls and being proud of it. You should see it! He loses directions in our livingroom when he is set free, gets tired after while and searches a random wall to fly into. After that he chirps loud and sits up with his chest out, saying: Look what I did! I'm hardcore!
Well, that's about it. These were the most interesting examples.
Bailey
01-17-2005, 07:18 AM
Those of you defending cats really should not be allowed to speak until you have read "Lords and Ladies" by Terry Pratchett.
Seriously, he mentioned that the elves in that book are modeled after cats.
In any case, nearly every time I sit down in a house with a cat in it, the cat will immediately run out, stand on one of my legs, and dig it's claws in. Yes, I know that those of you who failed your will saving throw against the cats glamour spell will say that they just want my attention and that they're really trying to be nice, but really they are just trying to assert their dominance and force you to pet them. I will admit that I have met a few nice cats, but these are the exception, not the rule. One of these cats which was nice had been trained, as one might train a dog. The way that this was done was via positive and negative reinforcement. It only got pet when it did something good, and if it did something bad it got squirted with a water pistol. This is very similar to the training method of most dogs. As for the whole "Dogs jump at me" thing, this is because they want to "kiss" you, and they are unable to reach. Thus the cliche of the hero being knocked over by his faithful hound who proceeds to lick his face. While severely annoying, its intentions are friendly.
Also, I heard the following quote recently, and a cat lover who was there at the time said that it was true: "Dogs have friends. Cats have staff."
the cat lover proceeded to explain why this made cats better. It went something along the lines of them being better than us, while dogs were our equals.
which in turn reminds of another quote which may serve to explain why all the hatred directed towards cats. "people who think they are perfect annoy those of us who are."
just as interesting twist, though, we should try this: cat lovers must point out the flaws of cats while illluminating the good points of dogs, while dog lovers do the same only in reverse. it may raise some interesting points
Thanatos
01-17-2005, 12:33 PM
just as interesting twist, though, we should try this: cat lovers must point out the flaws of cats while illluminating the good points of dogs, while dog lovers do the same only in reverse. it may raise some interesting points
Ok, I'll go first. Um let's see a bad point about dogs hmmmm....When they are puppies, certain breeds tend to whine and bark a lot at night. Also if you live in a large neighborhood, if one dog starts barking then all the dogs start barking..
Good points about cats: The catch and eat mice. I have seen one bay a snake. They are virtually indestructable making them oh so fun to kick!
MasterOfMagic
01-17-2005, 01:44 PM
Okaaaay:
Dogs: Lovable, and you can play with them. Not "jingling around a bell on the end of string" kind of playing, but "they chase you around, you chase them around" kind. Much better. When I go up into the woods, I have both a cat and a dog that follows me. I'm feeling much safer with the dog around... not so much the cat.
Cats: They ruin porch furniture, especially wicker things... and...well, their world domination plan could be a bad thing... I guess. The kittens are stupid. They fall of things, so you have to cover every little hole, block of every little ledge.
My Lead Airbag
01-17-2005, 04:14 PM
As a Dog Lover.
Cats: The trained ones, like the Meet the Parents/Fockers Jinxy, can do some neat parlor tricks. Smaller so they can be managed a little better. Feed em once a day and you're done. If you live in some rat-infested hole, it might lower the numbers a tad.
Dogs: Overzealousness puts off some people. Some are barkers. Most dogs are a tad big, so carrying them around can be hard. If you're a slob, walking them can be a chore (I love walking my dog, but I've heard of many people who don't like it). That fundamentalist across the street with no pets to speak of will get pissed as all hell if you don't pick up the poop (although I still say screw 'em).
CelesJessa
01-17-2005, 05:28 PM
How fun. ^^ As a cat lover:
Cats: They puke everywhere. And they can't keep anything down, (at least none of my cats could) Some breeds don't like to be snuggled, let alone touched unless THEY want you to. And some cats would play with the box a toy came in rather than the $15 toy you just got them.
Dogs: The trained ones are cool because you can make them come and heel and fetch and stuff like that. If the dog is trusted enough (by me, only one dog has been trusted enough for me to hug them like that), then it is nice and warm to be able to hug the dog around it's flank, and the really little ones are super-cute.
Raiden
01-17-2005, 05:41 PM
Dog owner:
Cats- Cute and cuddly. Make you love them, even if they're bad.
Dogs- They will eat ANYTHING! And the smart ones aren't much better. My dog took a box, and started eating it. I grabbed it and put it in the trash, and put the cover on. Five minutes later, it's eating the EXACT SAME BOX! And the garbage can? It was like it was never touched. Still standing, and the lid was still on.
My dog is possessed, I swear it is.
Krylo
01-17-2005, 07:23 PM
Cat lover
Cats: They shed. All of them. You just can't find a non-shedding cat.
Dogs: They play, and they are easier to get to like you.
Illuminatus
01-17-2005, 08:25 PM
Dogs are nice. Cats are mean.
Nice > Mean
End of story.
Psrdirector
01-18-2005, 10:03 PM
Cats are a lot better. and there has been evidence that having a cat will improve your heath, cause belive it or not, they need a hell of a lot less maintnece then any dog. i got two cats, i fead them in the morning, and clean out the litter box when needed, thats all i do. now, how is that more maintnece then dogs who need walked, take a crap everywhere, are spawns of the devil, and attack everyone cause they are evil sons of bitches (and they are sons of bitches, or daughters of bitches both true).
yes cats rule, dogs need to be removed from this planet.
Seeing eye cats do exist, as do seeing eye hourses and other animals, and i cant spell. usually the larger brand, or in some forign countrys animals like tigers or other exotics illegal here are used, cause a tiger aint to exotic if they live there naturally. hahaha.
also, in the wild, cats are much much coller, i mean a wolf cant do crap by it self, but a cheatah, or a leapord, or tiger, or lion (female, the males are fat lazy basterds), or what ever sweet big kitty you want
yes in conclusion cats rule, dogs are the bane of all inteligent life
*also, i have never meat a dog that instintly liked me, my grandmas dog still goes nuts barking at me if im in her house alone, yet her cat within minuets was cool with me and hanging like a cool kitty*
Bailey
01-18-2005, 10:28 PM
Dogs- They will eat ANYTHING! And the smart ones aren't much better. My dog took a box, and started eating it. I grabbed it and put it in the trash, and put the cover on. Five minutes later, it's eating the EXACT SAME BOX! And the garbage can? It was like it was never touched. Still standing, and the lid was still on.
My dog is possessed, I swear it is.
O_O my dog would do pretty much the same thing. He also used to open doors and run off to chase the deer wandering through our backyard.
Dynamite220
01-19-2005, 12:03 PM
I'm not saying that cats are bad, but, like I said earlier, cats are not pets, they are people with four legs. I don't know about you, but I play with my pets to get away from the hassles of dealing with people. I don't want to have to deal with weather the cat wants to be with me or not or weather it likes me or not. A dog will love you for being with it. That's more than I can say for any cat.
RagnarofBurland
01-19-2005, 12:23 PM
I don't like either. To much blasted fur for my allergy ridden body on either front. Yes, I am aware there are Furless/Non shedding varieties of dogs but those just arn't as fun. So may say I'm deprived of the love of an animal. Some may say I've seen 1 to many fish get killed in my home. The point is, get a bird. Man I wish I had a bird.
bombsquad2020
01-19-2005, 01:32 PM
i hate the sterio type that rotwillers have achieved their really cute, and only act like thaey do in the movies when they are trained to. i have the smartest rotwiller ever it knows how to open copletery shut doors (not parshily shut so that they open when nudged) and she is really cute ^_^
MasterOfMagic
01-19-2005, 01:58 PM
I'm not saying that cats are bad, but, like I said earlier, cats are not pets, they are people with four legs. I don't know about you, but I play with my pets to get away from the hassles of dealing with people. I don't want to have to deal with weather the cat wants to be with me or not or weather it likes me or not
Geez, what kind of people do you hang around with?
And, I'd have to say, the only thing that determines whether or not a cat likes you is how you treat it. Its not like its some mind numbingly hard thing to figure out... just pet them, make sure they're fed, and don't spray them with water/do other mean things.
Dynamite220
01-19-2005, 02:13 PM
Geez, what kind of people do you hang around with?
And, I'd have to say, the only thing that determines whether or not a cat likes you is how you treat it. Its not like its some mind numbingly hard thing to figure out... just pet them, make sure they're fed, and don't spray them with water/do other mean things.
I hang around with perfectly normal people. I just don't wnat to deal with them all judging day long. My friends and I do things and have fun, but personalities that rub together constantly become worn out. That's why I spend x amount of time everyday alone or playing with my dog. I couldn't do that with a cat, i'd have to wait until IT was interested in playing. Dogs are always interested in playing, or just spending time. I, again, am not saying that cats are bad. I'm just saying that they are not realy pets.
Psrdirector
01-19-2005, 07:19 PM
cats are pets, my cats walk around, and when i want to i just pick one up and start petting or playing with it. Dogs are far from doing only what you want to do, if they want to paly... YOU PLAY NOW.. if they dont want to play they wont and they will tell you buy barking or attacking.
also rotwillers are not or never were ment to be cute, they were ment to be regal, not cute. they were the dog that sat next to a nobelmen as he acted snooty, and also acted that way.
cats are smart, cute, nice, and much better pets
lazy man
01-19-2005, 07:44 PM
cats are pets, my cats walk around, and when i want to i just pick one up and start petting or playing with it. Dogs are far from doing only what you want to do, if they want to paly... YOU PLAY NOW.. if they dont want to play they wont and they will tell you buy barking or attacking.
also rotwillers are not or never were ment to be cute, they were ment to be regal, not cute. they were the dog that sat next to a nobelmen as he acted snooty, and also acted that way.
cats are smart, cute, nice, and much better pets
Alright, I must defend the dogs (specifically the rottweilers) at this statement.
When dogs want to play, it probably means that you're doing something and they want to be involved. They don't force you to do anything (unless the dog attacks you (which could mean something about the owner, or the dog was trained to do that kind of thing)), they mostly just follow you around. That's all.
And rottweilers may not have been bred to be cute (they're bred guard dogs, you expect them to be cute?), but that in NO way means they're snooty or uptight. They're dogs that have more of a guard-dog look to them, sometimes being trained to fit the look. That's it. I have a rottweiler right now and he just does nothing but sit around, not go around the house like some spoiled thing*. So leave the rottweilers alone. I've had three of 'em, I know what they act like, even the trained ones (two of them were).
I say there's pros and cons about every pet, so we should just leave it at that and stop arguing (even if I am biased towards dogs).
*About 95% (maybe less, I'm just guessing) of pets are spoiled (the ones that aren't are the ones that are mistreated), so don't say anything about whether certain pets are spoiled while others aren't. It's just completely untrue, some are just more spoiled than others.
Thanatos
01-19-2005, 07:58 PM
and there has been evidence that having a cat will improve your heath,
The same can be said for dogs/rabits/birds/etc. It has to do with the companionship (which I feel dogs are much better at than cats). Also, in my situation, cats can be detrimental to your health. As in my throat closes up and I'm unable to breathe.
now, how is that more maintnece then dogs who need walked, take a crap everywhere, and attack everyone
Ok, dogs can be easily house broken. I housebroke my dog in less than two weeks, and she was still a puppy. Even if cats use the litterbox, it has to be regularly changed or it stinks up the house, and cats often have to be trained to use the litterbox, and I've known some that never learned. And it is not always necessary to walk a dog. If you have a large yard, you can just let the dog outside. And dogs don't attack everyone. Most dogs never attack anyone, or only attack people they feel are a threat. My dog has never attacked anyone unless she thought they were trying to her me or one of my nieces and nephews. I have a nephew, who when he was a baby, started puling on her fur and tail. Most animals, including cats would have lashed out at the kid, my dog however just looked up at me as if she were asking me to help her.
Also refering to dogs as evil is just insane. Dogs are natural guardians. How many stories have you ever heard of a cat puling a baby away from a busy highway when he wandered to close? I have seen on a number of occasions where a dog actually mourned the passing of its owner, never known a cat to do this. Also whenever I'm depressed, my dog jumps in my lap and gives me a hug. Literally she puts her front legs around my neck and snuggles her head under my chin. Dogs are perfect companions.
IHateMakingNames
01-19-2005, 08:06 PM
It all depends on the specific animal. There are dogs that will never stop barking, attack anyone, and crap everywhere. There are cats that will do as it pleases all day, attack anyone who gets to close, and barf everywhere.
Then there are cats who will constantly be around their owners, be lie down on laps if put there, play with you when you want to, and never scratch or bite. Then there are dogs who will always be willing to play, never ruin anything in the house, will hold it in until they are let outside, and will be as gentle as a rabbit (A gentle rabbit).
Everyone is just comparing steroetype to specific animal they know.
The Kneumatic Pnight
01-19-2005, 08:13 PM
Since when are dogs high maintainance? Not all dogs need to be walked... most less active dogs are well enough just doing what they do in the back yard. Dogs are easily housebroken... more easily than ANY other pet. My dog was trained in three days and he's not especially smart. Besides, he's lazy as hell so how hard could it be? Also, I feed my dog once per day because that's what the vet advised me to do. Feed them once enough food to last them the day and let them portion it out as they see fit.
As for dogs attacking people, I'm convinced that cats are more volatile. At least, the cats in my area. No dog that I've come into contact with has EVER attacked ANYONE. Many people advise that if you dog does attack someone, and no ones life is in danger or seems to be in danger, you get rid of that dog or put them to sleep because they're not supposed to be doing that. That would be what you call abnormal. Probably, my dog's to lazy to attack anyone EVEN if they threaten it's life... but that's just him...
And Psrdirector, what kind of freakish dogs with horrible owners do you hang around with that dogs will attack or bark if you don't play with them. Dogs will bark if something strange is going on... but many dogs won't even do that. And since when is a rotweiller snooty?
Ah, but I digress... because that's what I do... The only dogs that are truly likely to attack people are the small dogs... the freakish, high strung ones, or dalmations because they're just odd. Big ass dogs, they're nice... nicer than the other types... just to clear up some misconceptions.
Psrdirector
01-19-2005, 08:46 PM
dogs are the spawn of satan and i stand by it.
but rottwhielers (sorry for spelling) were breed to be uppity, they were the upperclass dogs of nobility they were breed to be as bad as there masters. look at really old pictures, actually i should say paintings of them, they were not gaurd dogs, they were not attack dogs, they were not dogs that ran around all nice. no they were the dogs of the rich people who were, loaded and snooty.
Cats are cool, and dogs are far far from it.
and yes dogs do get mad when you dont play with them, and also when you are doing something and dont want the dog with them, they get highly highly exited and will bite, and bark. a nice house cat at its worse will scratch you, and rarely do that mostly hiss and run, unless of course you do something mean, like oh assault the nice cat by, kicking it, steeping on its tail, or one of many other really mean things
Krylo
01-19-2005, 08:49 PM
Even if cats use the litterbox, it has to be regularly changed or it stinks up the house, and cats often have to be trained to use the litterbox, and I've known some that never learned. I didn't even have to train my cats. I have four of them. Got them all as kittens. They knew immediately, and instinctually, to use the kitty litter box once they were shown where it is.
You see, for a cat, crapping and pissing where it can be seen is an act of dominance that, in the wild, would get them hunted down by the actual owner of the territory. House cats know that the humans are the owners, and so, even if they don't use the kitty litter box for some reason (such as you've let it go for two weeks without cleaning it) they'll do it someplace they think it won't be seen. That's actually more annoying than them doing it in the open, but the point is just that it's instincual for them.
If your cat can't be trained to use the box, there's something wrong with either it or you. You're either so docile that it thinks IT owns the territory, it's so retarded it thinks it can take you, or it has some kind of problem with its mind and doesn't recognize instincts. Hyper evolved... or just mentally retarded.
For dogs, they have the same instincts, but as that they think of themselves as part of your pack, they don't see the territory as not being theres like a cat does.
Also, outdoor dogs are less maintenance than indoor cats, but where I live having an outdoor dog is kind of cruel, considering it got to -50 fahrenheit here last week.
An indoor cat and an indoor dog, or an outdoor cat and an outdoor dog, however, the cat is going to be less work.
An indoor dog you have to let outside multiple times per day. An indoor cat you do their kitty litter once every few days, and it takes about as long (for me, with four cats and four dogs) as it does to let the dog out. An outdoor dog you just feed it now and then, keep it chained, and maybe take it on walks. An outdoor cat you put some food out, sometimes it eats it, sometimes it finds some poor animal to eat. You don't need to chain them, though, because cats rarely leave their territory for long.
Also: The whole 'big dogs are nicer' thing, is just another stereotype. Most big dogs that are mean get put down because they're dangerous, while mean small dogs are just irritating. However, plenty of big dogs you'll have people warning you not to get too close because they bite anyone they don't know (I've always been immune to this particular threat, even with the nasty guard-rottweiler an ex-girlfriend's uncle had, but the point is, I've run into non-guard dogs that come with the same warning).
My four dogs are also all small, and the only time one of them has ever tried to bite another person is when my mom and I play fight, and that's just because he's defending one of us. He can never decide which one he wants to defend, but he tries to defend one of us.
I've also had a black lab, a chocolate lab, and a half-wolf. They all acted just like the small dogs, barking/biting wise. Which is to say, they bark like nuts around new people, but never bit anyone.
Pretty much everything said by the lovers of each side has been true, while the haters seem to be just grasping at untrue stereotypes.
Dogs are easier to get to know. Cats are a bit harder.
Some people like dogs more because of that, some like cats more because of that. I prefer creatures whose emotional attachment means something. Some people prefer creatures that love you no matter what. It's a matter of opinion.
The Kneumatic Pnight
01-19-2005, 09:00 PM
By nicer I really meant less Hyper... because I hate hyper so more laid back is nicer. And all dogs act like idiots around people they don't know... It's becasue they're idiots... which is because they're dogs. It's all quite logical really...
Bailey
01-19-2005, 09:19 PM
except that many dogs are in fact not idiots.
this is proven by the fact that there are working dogs, who do rescue operations or assist police forces and the like.
now, I am not saying that dogs are smarter than cats because of this, just that dogs are obviously not idiots.
if anything, this is simply because cats as a majority are not only too lazy to work, but also smart enough to get out of it.
dogs, as pack animals, usually like to be helpful, and so are eager to be put in these jobs.
also, the main source of the problems with smaller dogs is that many people assume that since the dog is small it won't be able to do anything bad, so they never bother to train it. the small dogs, when actually trained, are rather nice to be around, seeing as how larger dogs don't fit in your lap no matter how hard they try.
and the whole "being good with children" thing really is quite valid.
my grandparents have a large number of cats, and if there are any children under age 10 in a room, they will not go in to it under any circumstances.
back when my dog was alive, he used to move into rooms with children in them, sniff at them for a little bit, and then lie down next to them, tolerating them even when they did things like climb over and on top of him, pull his fur, step on his tail, etc. all he did in response to the pulling and the stepping was whine at them, and it's amazing how well small children catch on when a dog does that; they would stop right away.
my aunt's dogs, his parents, did this as well.
my main problem with dogs, however, is that too many people buy into rediculous stereotypes about them without trying to get to know the animal first. He was a German Shepherd, and since the police often use them, most people that I talked to while walking him thought that he was about to rip out their jugular if they looked at me funny.
Krylo
01-19-2005, 09:24 PM
now, I am not saying that dogs are smarter than cats because of this, just that dogs are obviously not idiots.
Actually, they're about equal. A cat has far better reasoning and comprehensive skills, which is why a cat will, generally, seem to run circles around a dog mentally (playing practical jokes on them [one of my cats kept a dog on a dresser for about 5 minutes, because everytime the dog got ready to jump down the cat smacked his tail, causing him to turn and growl, then the cat would wait until he was ready to get down, and keep doing it. I have other stories as well] etc.) when they're first getting used to each other.
However, a cat's vocabulary of words they understand is limited to just over or under 10, while a dog can go much higher, although I forget the exact number.
This is also why it's pretty rare to see cats do tricks. Once a cat knows its name, and maybe a few other words, it's tapped out. You can tell it to roll-over all you want, but it's not going to know what roll-over means regardless of what you do.
The Kneumatic Pnight
01-19-2005, 09:27 PM
except that many dogs are in fact not idiots.
Compared to people, compared to people, compared to people. And yes... in that instance, well duh. You people just don't understand my humor.
bombsquad2020
01-20-2005, 12:12 PM
no no no rottwilers are not uppity dogs, sure they may act that way, but they were actually bred for breeding, and they are also cute and loveable and come in different sizes small meium or XXL they also have different troaits, such as boxy or non boxy head, and short and stubby or non short and stubby snouts. all together, this makes for one cute, but still firce looking (by steriotype) dog
Thanatos
01-20-2005, 01:42 PM
Ok, I'm getting tired of people arguing over the original function of the Rottweiler without anything to back their statements up. So what was their original purpose? Well here is what the AKC has to say.
The origin of the Rottweiler is not a documented record. Once this is recognized, actual history tempered by reasonable supposition indicates the likelihood he is descended from one of the drover dogs indigenous to ancient Rome. This drover dog has been described by various accredited sources as having been of the Mastiff-type-a dependable, rugged, willing worker, possessed of great intelligence, and a strong guarding instinct. Click here (http://www.akc.org/breeds/rottweiler/history.cfm) for the rest of the story.
MasterOfMagic
01-20-2005, 04:16 PM
my grandparents have a large number of cats, and if there are any children under age 10 in a room, they will not go in to it under any circumstances.
Wanna know why? 'cause little kids like to squeeze things. And pull things. If an adult isn't constantly watching, they squeeze too hard, or pull the cat's tail, which isn't a very pleasent experience for them. They are smart enough to know to aviod these things.
Large dogs are more tolarent (I can't spell, live with it) to this, simply b/c its hard for the kid to squeeze something he can't pick up, so the dog dosen't run away, so the kid dosen't grab its tail to drag it back. Small dogs... I have no explination for. Never seen a little kid play with a little dog, so no experience.
Thanatos
01-20-2005, 05:03 PM
Small dogs... I have no explination for. Never seen a little kid play with a little dog, so no experience.
Depends on the breed of dog, and the dog itself. A chiuahua, might snap or try to run away. A shetland Sheepdog, are bred to be docile, and are usually tolerant to a degree. Any animal will eventually snap if no one stops the situaton.
Psrdirector
01-20-2005, 06:37 PM
i never said that they were uppity now, just thats what they were origannly breed for, last i cheaked though, nobility wasnt around and they dont want the dogs. so yeah.
Cats are cool, dogs are not, just to say that agian.
Well this isnt just a cats vs dog thing. what about other animals, hamsters are fun to watch, scurring around in there cages, though they can get to smart for there own good. My familiy had one for a while, it figured out how to escape, and did. we didnt find it again, assumed dead. though sometimes people treat them poorly and they die. oh well.
did you know gerbals are extinct in the wild, they were eaten out of existence. i know i misspelled something
Thanatos
01-20-2005, 07:27 PM
i never said that they were uppity now, just thats what they were origannly breed for, last i cheaked though, nobility wasnt around and they dont want the dogs. so yeah.
Dude, why do you insist on continuing to say they were bred for the nobility. There is no documented evidence of why they were bred, but it is most likely they were bred to herd cattle. see my earlier post for more info.
Hamsters are fun, and low maintanance, but they are even less loyal than cats, and they like to bite. And as far as gerbils not living in the wild anymore, where do you come up with this stuff. The gerbil still lives in the wild in the deserts of Mongolia.
Psrdirector
01-20-2005, 10:39 PM
cattle, do they even look like cattle dogs. just think about it. look at old paintingas and statues of them, there is nothing wrong with them being breed for nobility, why does that seem to offend you so much. hmm.
maybe it was the hamster that was not alive in the wild anymore, on of them was wiped out becasue they were easy to capture and were used as food. but i dont think there are gerbils in mongolia,
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