Aeris from FF7 (major spoilers herein)

[Shoraru]

For some time, Aeris was one of my most used characters in FF7, When she died at the end of Disk 1, I was soooooooo heart broken. I understand that it was for the good of the story but still....

Now getting to my question, I read that after Aeris's death, a special event could be opened called Aeris's ghost. Supposedly you had to go to the church in sector 5 and then the kids will run off saying that they had seen a ghost. The ghost turns out to be Aeris and theres a short cutscene with Cloud promising he would get Seperoth for killing her. I never been able to unlock it, so can anyone tell me if this is really a hoax?

I really do believe that there may be some hidden way to bring Aeris back to life because if there wasn't, whats the point with her Level 4 limit break? There would be no real use for it if the player couldn't use it.

[Bob The Mercenary]

There is no way to bring her back. Once she's dead, she's dead. Although, there are plenty of rumors (http://ff7rumors.tripod.com/aeris.htm) (almost all of which have been proven false) saying that she can be raised from the dead. However, there is a way to see her ghost in the church at one point.

The point of her lvl 4 limit is to get it quickly and use it on the first disk. It's a ridiculously beneficial spell that is really useful in the beginning, which is why you can get it so much faster than the others'.

[Cloud Strife]

As Bob said, there is a point where you CAN see her ghost, but that's it. You find her in the church in Disc 3, but she disappears as you get close. No little cutscene or anything.

And I repeat what Bob said. There is NO way to bring Aeris back.

[Terex4]

Not to mention that if you've ever used any of her limit breaks past the first three you'd understand why she wouldn't be alive for the fight with Sephiroth. There's no challenge left once you have them.

[Meister]

I know it's about the most well-known scene in modern video gaming, but nonetheless those spoiler/blackout tags are a useful thing. I put up a spoiler warning in the title, but you know for the future. Mostly you, Shoraru.

[Azisien]

Yeah. I spent a good 10-15 hours of game time trying to uncover various Aeris rumours. I won't name specifics here, because I'm too lazy to make spoiler tags, but all turned up as nadda.

I have seen her ghost, though, and it does disappear as you get close. After that, I'm pretty sure it leaves forever. (Or it'll be there again, but it disappears even faster each time).

But eh? You can even GET her limit break item in the first disc? I thought you needed more advanced modes of transportation only availible in later discs? Either way, you don't even NEED her higher limit breaks, nothing is challenging enough to present a problem in the first disc anyway.

[shiney]

It takes time, but yes you can. Limit breaks are gained by two methods, killing enemies and using breaks.

The more you use your first break of a particular level, the sooner the next one of that level is unlocked. The more things you kill, the sooner you get the next level up of breaks. This is why your main damage dealer is more apt to gain limit breaks faster.

[Azisien]

That's not what I meant. I'm well aware of how you gained limit breaks. But the level 4 limit breaks always needed items along with them. Been so long since I played FF7 that far in, but the Omnislash item needed a high score from the battle square, etc etc (That's all I can recall at the moment :P).

Did Aeris' level 4 limit come naturally? Wasn't the item found in an inaccessible place in the first disc?

[MasterOfMagic]

From an this (http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_limit_break_mech.txt) FAQ on gamefaqs (note: The Great Gospel Manuel is the item needed for her limit break):
Aeris Gainsborough:
This one is a bit tricky to get. It has to be done on disk 1 if you actually
intend to teach it to her so I'm writing this assuming you will be trying for
it on disk 1. Okay, to get Aeris's Great Gospel manual you'll first need to
wait until you have the buggy, just after the Corel Prison sequence. Once the
buggy is in your possession, drive it into Costa del Sol. Note: do not get off
the buggy before entering town, just drive it right on in. Now head to the
docks and talk to the sailor by the cargo ship. He'll let you ride the ship
back to Junon for 100 gil. When you get to Junon leave town and you'll discover
you've brought the buggy along with you. You now want to head north east to the
river. There is a shallow spot you can cross using the buggy. Do so and head
east until you find a cave entrance. Inside the cave you will find a sleeping
old man. He won't talk to you much until you battle a certain number of times.
The trick is to make the last two digits of the number of battles you fought
match. For example, when you've fought 33 battles or 244 battle he will talk to
you since the last 2 digits match. Just fight outside of his cave until you
get a number that works. When you talk to him again he will give you an item,
sometimes it's a Bolt ring and sometimes it's Mythril. You are after the
Mythril. If he gives you a Bolt ring just go outside and fight 11 more battles
to get to the next number of fights that puts your last 2 digits at the same
number. For example if you have fought 22 times and he gives you a Bolt Ring
go out and fight 11 more times. You'll now have 33 fights and he'll talk to
you again. Just keep doing this until you get the Mythril. He will give you a
Bolt Ring when the matching numbers are even and a Mythril when they are odd.

Now you can proceed with the game until you get to Rocket Town. Once you go
through the Rocket Town sequence you'll have Cid as a party member and you'll
also have use of the Tiny Bronco. Take the Tiny Bronco to Nibelheim. Once there
use the plane to travel up the river and across the continent. You should come
out near Gold Saucer. Near the end of the river you'll see a little house on
your right. This house was previously unoccupied, but now you can get off the
plane and go inside. The guy inside will talk about the keystone for a bit.
When you get the chance tell him to change the subject and he'll talk about the
weapons he makes and having a shortage of mythril. Give him the mythril and
he'll reward you by letting you pick a chest as a prize. Go up the stairs to
the top floor and go all the way left. Open the little box on the wall to
receive the Great Gospel manual. The big box on the lower floor just contains
a Gold Armlet.

[Shoraru]

Sorry about not adding the spoiler tag.

Moving on to a question about the limit breaks.

You said that for a chacter to gain limit breaks they needed to use them repeatedly in battles.

Well my Barret the 3rd play through skipped Mind blow (The second Limit break 1) and moved on to the 2nd limit break section Grenade blast or something like that. Can anyone tell me why?

[Cloud Strife]

Note that shiney also mentioned that if you kill enough, you get the limit breaks in the next level, skipping over the 2nd one in a level if you do it fast enough. I do it with Cloud all the time.

[The Fighter Mage]

Because to learn the second limit break you need to use your limit a certain number of times, or something.

[Shoraru]

When I was in Midgard and training Cloud, it took me 72 blade beams to get Climhazzard!!!!!

Way tooo many!!

[MasterOfMagic]

For the second limit break in each level, you must use the first one of that level a certain amount of times.

For the first limit break in the next level, the character must deliver the killing blow a certain amount of times. Doesn't really matter how fast you do it either. The kill count is kept no matter how long between kills you go.

EDIT: Err, yeah. Sometimes you have to use them ALOT before advancing to the next one. And I believe you have to learn all of the previous ones before you can learn their level 4 limit break.

[Cloud Strife]

For your edit, MoM, that's correct. You do have to have all of the other limits, level 1 through 3, before any of the characters can learn the limit break.

[shiney]

It's kinda neat really, you get rewarded for kicking ass, and you get rewarded for getting your ass kicked.

[RaiRai]

Ooooh. I'd like to mention there was a site in dedication to the ressurection of Aeris. It made for a good read, but it was too long and confusing to actually attempt the 'method' myself.

If I find the website again (it had screenshots and the like too) I'll post it. But here's a link to some apparent ways to ressurect Aeris, each of which has been proven false:

http://home.coqui.net/darkaxe/revaeris.html

And on further inspection, here is the website I mentioned:

http://www.geocities.com/corrina_obrien16/reviveaeris.html

[MasterOfMagic]

Wow. That really dowes look promising, RaiRai. I'd try it, but I don't have FF VII anymore.... ;_; Maybe my friend will let me borrow it... he still has it I think....(heck, he still has the original super metriod, he should have this.)

EDIT: Woops. Heh, missed pressing an I there. Thanks for noticing. :P

[Shoraru]

MoM you mean FF VII? Well its usually the longest ones that are the hardest and least promising.

[Raerlynn]

There IS a way to bring Aeris back, but not without the use of a Gameshark. You can also unlock Sephiroth in this manner if I'm not greatly mistaken. That said, I think it causes problems when those characters reach character specific lines...

[RaiRai]

Yeah, again, if I remember correctly, it glitches at certain parts in the game/some parts don't make sense/some parts are changed. Ruins the storyline in my opinion, anyway. Aeris died for a reason. Let her remain that way.

[Kairamek]

Somewhere on here is an in depth story analysis for FFVII and it tells why Aeris died and is un-revivable. Let me give you the short version: Holy destroys threats to the planet. Shinra was a threat. Aeris figured Holy would use Meteo to destroy Shinra (which it did), but feared that so doing it would fail to destroy Meteo in time. Aeris sacrificed herself so that she could lead Lifestream in an all-out-mad-charge to aid Holy in destroy Meteo at the last second. Aeris cannot be revived because her soul is needed in the afterlife for the endgame. I don't think I've seen a plottwist quite like that anywhere else.

[Krylo]

Somewhere on here is an in depth story analysis for FFVII and it tells why Aeris died and is un-revivable. Let me give you the short version: Holy destroys threats to the planet. Shinra was a threat. Aeris figured Holy would use Meteo to destroy Shinra (which it did), but feared that so doing it would fail to destroy Meteo in time. Aeris sacrificed herself so that she could lead Lifestream in an all-out-mad-charge to aid Holy in destroy Meteo at the last second. Aeris cannot be revived because her soul is needed in the afterlife for the endgame. I don't think I've seen a plottwist quite like that anywhere else.
That completely ignores the entire half of the plotline having to do with sephiroth. Highlight to read:

The planet and holy never had anything to do with meteor (which is not spelled, "meteo," by the way). They had to do with stopping it. Sephiroth got the black materia (as in opposite of white) to summon meteor and destroy the planet, concentrating all of its life force into one point, so that he could absorb it. He also held back holy so that it couldn't stop meteor before that happened.

In the end you'll note that midgar/shinra headquarters is completely grown over by plants. Not a giant crater in the ground from meteor.

[Cloud Strife]

I do that all the time, DaBiggman...

And that is also a rumor. Couldn't even do it on the japanese versions.

[DragonDaimyo]

I wish there was a way to bring Aeris back. She always was my favorite character in the game. I heard a couple of rumors, but they always turn out false.

In regards to DaBiggman's post: Holy dang!!! I'll have to try that.

[Bob The Mercenary]

I wish there was a way to bring Aeris back. She always was my favorite character in the game. I heard a couple of rumors, but they always turn out false.

I'm actually glad they decided to keep her dead. The last half of the game aimed to draw on your sadness for losing her to make you want to take out Sephiroth even more. If they brought her back, it would cheapen the effect of anyone dying in the game. If someone was murdered and it was supposed to affect you, you would just go "meh, I can just revive him/her".

[MFD]

What wrong with you? I say you she daid!

Seriously, let it go. Those screenshots are pretty interesting, but they could be, ya know, doctored. And nobody would earn a million more AP with a weak weapon. It would take entirely too long.

Sigh... I guess that's why I never finished. I enjoy games better when you don't take time out to level yourself up to be able to beat a boss.

[Number 81]

Do you guys think that Final Fantasy VII would be as memorable if she was revived?
Holy slowed meteor down so that it did not destroy the earth, and also destroyed Midgar's reactors. Midgar laid in ruins at the end of the game (200 years later?) but in the upcoming Advent Children movie (Takes place 2 years after) people still live in Midgar.

[Cloud Strife]

Coming from an Aeris fan, here, I'm also glad that she wasn't revived. It's a part of the storyline of the game that she died in order to save the planet, as the last Ancient.

On a sidenote, Number, it was 500 years.

[Azisien]

I'll say this: Of every RPG I've ever played, FFVII had the best storyline I had ever encountered. And I can honestly say that if Aeris had not died, or had been revived, this would not have been so. It was THE most emotional part of the entire game, and one of the best in gaming history.

Opinion, yes, but many MANY people agree. That's why there's a movie based on the FFVII coming out soon, and none based on earlier or later versions.

Rest in peace, Aeris.

[RaiRai]

I'm a Sephiroth fan I'm afraid. (Go fangirl status, woo.) When he struck Aeris down, I couldn't help but laugh. I feel ashamed. (Not.) But I too am glad that she didn't get revived in any way. (Bizarre love twist is that Aeris became part of the lifestream by dying at Sephiroths hand, and Sephiroth wanted to become one with it. Eh, eh? Okay, so I have weird mako sex on the brain. Geez.)

[Bob The Mercenary]

Eh, eh? Okay, so I have weird mako sex on the brain. Geez.)

So the only way for me to get any is to kill myself and become one with the lifestream? That's great news for the hopeless lovers of the world. I'll be awaiting a mass suicide top story tonight on tv.

I wonder if anyone could tell it was me if I fondled them in the lifestream.

[Shoraru]

Bob and any of the other posters, please refrain from posting about your own private lives. I and I'm sure others really don't care to know.

My next question:

I heard about the red sub in Junon. Does it have any specialtizes that the original didn't have?

[MasterOfMagic]

Yess, yess. I think the storyline is just fine as it is too. I'm just looking for something new to get out of the game. I'll never think of it as the true storyline if I actually do get Aeris to live agian. I'm just bored, and need something to do. I'm just looking for extras, not wanting to change one of the fundemental parts of the game.

Bob and any of the other posters, please refrain from posting about your own private lives. I and I'm sure others really don't care to know.
Lighten up! It was a joke! No one would be so desperate as to dream about that... or so I would hope. :P

[Varius]

SPOILER ALERT!

The first time I played the game through, after Aeris's death, I was not able to play the game for a week.

I continued after a week had passed, but heart-broken.

Then Cloud eventually left the group. Felt like playing the game even less.

Then Tifa left!

My whole team up until then had been Cloud, Tifa, and Aeris, and they had all gone!

I didn't like using characters that I normally didn't, but I got used to Cid, Red XIII, and Barret, and mostly only because of their limit breaks; Cait Sith's and Vincent's are worthless.

Somehow, I managed to continue through the game, and got Cloud and Tifa back. But, it just wasn't the same! I just wanted to hurry up and kill Sephiroth, and I did. The ending was so inconclusive, I'm glad they decided to follow it up with a movie. The ending, it's like they did it just for controversiality's sake.

Now, when I play RPGs, when the story takes a turn, I try to imagine what kind of ending the game will have based on the game's current events; it keeps me from getting disappointed if I foresee a bad ending.

Oh well, considering the dark, brutal, uncertain world in which FFVII is based, the ending fit, because the ending itself was very uncomforting and uncertain.

At any rate, does anyone know if there is actually a Huge Independent Materia, i.e., a purple Huge Materia?

You get the green/Magic Huge Materia from Corel.

You get the yellow/Command Huge Materia from Fort Condor.

You get the red/Summon Huge Materia from Junon, when you bomb the leader sub.

You get the blue/Support Huge Materia from the rocket after it blasts off.

But where do you get the purple/Independent Huge Materia?

Thinking about all of the reactors in the game, the only place I can think of is Nibelheim.

I remember getting it before, but now that I replay the game, I can't remember where exactly I got it, and now I'm questioning if I ever actually got it, or whether I'm just being victimized by my own terrible memory.

[Cloud Strife]

So that first part is a spoiler, but that second part isn't? Okay...

Anyway, SPOILER ALERT, though it was implied in the thread title.

The blue huge materia is NOT a huge Support materia. There is no master Support or Independent, just a Master Magic, Summon, and Command materia. The blue materia is for getting Bahamut Zero, which you can only get if you have Bahamut and Neo Bahamut materia.

I repeat, it is NOT a huge Support materia, and no huge materia exists for Independent, either.

End spoiler.

[Varius]

So that first part is a spoiler, but that second part isn't? Okay...

Anyway, SPOILER ALERT, though it was implied in the thread title.

The blue huge materia is NOT a huge Support materia. There is no master Support or Independent, just a Master Magic, Summon, and Command materia. The blue materia is for getting Bahamut Zero, which you can only get if you have Bahamut and Neo Bahamut materia.

I repeat, it is NOT a huge Support materia, and no huge materia exists for Independent, either.

End spoiler.
I believe you're telling the truth...

...and that is the reason why I am both simultaneously relieved and disappointed.

No Master Support or Master Independent? Aww...

...but that's two less things I don't need to worry about acquiring, then.

I don't need to bother leveling up my Support Materia anymore!

[Terex4]

I heard about the red sub in Junon. Does it have any specialtizes that the original didn't have?
Its red and its not wrecked up like your blue one is (if you take the time or just suck to much to wind up with the red one).

Other than that, no, nothing special.

[Madcap Minstrel]

I agree as well that Aeris' death should be left alone. However, if one truly is desperate to revive her, there is one tried and true method of bringing Aeris back:
Write a fanfiction. It does make you feel better. Just make sure it doesn't suck before you post it on any websites, though.

[EvilKujujuwa]

Yeah, her death should be left alone. No one should spend the rest of their game trying to get her back. I mean I laughed when she was stabbed and died, and then that look that I imagined on Sephiroths face. Then I was like "HOLY CRAP!!! I WAS USING HER!!!", but I didn't spend all of my days since then trying to get her back.

[RaiRai]

I agree as well that Aeris' death should be left alone. However, if one truly is desperate to revive her, there is one tried and true method of bringing Aeris back:
Write a fanfiction. It does make you feel better. Just make sure it doesn't suck before you post it on any websites, though.

I'm pretty sure that most fanfics would be hentai orientated, even though Aeris was assumed pure of heart. Otherwise, someone really has some issues and needs to let go, hehe.

[Madcap Minstrel]

Nah, most fics aren't hentai at all. But they tend to be really bad anyway.

[Shoraru]

Please get off of the subject about hentai.

This thread was supposed to be about Aeris and her possible ressurection.

Anyway moving on. What was your favorite character in the ff7 game and which one do you hope is recreated for the cellphone game.

[Varius]

Please get off of the subject about hentai.

This thread was supposed to be about Aeris and her possible ressurection.

Anyway moving on. What was your favorite character in the ff7 game and which one do you hope is recreated for the cellphone game.
That's a whole entirely new subject, Friend.

Might want to start a new thread.

...

Just to humor your question, and keep this post from being pointless, I would say Vincent.

You can't help but sympathize with the man.

He has nothing left, but his life, and even then, he feels like he's dead.

His woman left him, and he was turned into a biological monstrosity.

He feels left behind by the times, lost, forgotten, and neglected.

Like I said, he has nothing left, but if there is anything still driving him on, it must be his will to kill, his desire for revenge against those who made him the way he is.

[RaiRai]

Please get off of the subject about hentai.

This thread was supposed to be about Aeris and her possible ressurection.

And that comment was spurned on from that. You need to actually read the conversation and not just pipe up when one comment you don't like is mentioned. Chill.

(Plus it was fine by me, and the conversation didn't actually devolve into that of hentai, so what is the problem?)

I'm going to close the thread now because the original intent was to discuss Aeris' ressurection. Now that subject is over, it seems a little silly to keep the thread open.