Devil May Kick Serious Ass 3 [Archive] - The Warring States of NPF

Mirai Gen

03-05-2005, 03:11 PM

Well I consider it Devil May Cry 2, since the second one was more like one of the original DMC's clones like Van Helsing. However I can safely say this game not only kicks ass, it returns DMC to the top of the action-oriented ass kickery. The new 'style' system is not only inventive, it's extremely well designed and unbelevibly fun. Here's a review.

The graphics are good as they should be. Nothing super fancy and it can look very gritty at some points, but you're too busy kicking ass to really do anything. The game is just like good old Devil May Cry, but Capcom realized how unrealistic Devil May Cry was so they just decided to go all-out with the cutscenes. Dante kicking ass is not the only thing that is over the top. He kicks a chair - real real hard - and sends it flying next to his office desk. He sits into it, halting the movement, and kicks the table. the phone reciever flies through the air, he catches it, and, when done, flicks his wrist and sends it perfectly on the reciever. Only Dante.

I'm sure you've all seen the wonderfully over-the-top trailer, so I'll spare you the awesome cutscene that starts. When you start kicking ass, you REALLY start kicking ass. Right from the start of the game I locked onto a target, whirled the control stick around, and started mimicing Equilibrium as I fired first behind and in front, then cross-wise, then to my left. I was getting a little sick of how they were all clustered to me, so I jumped in the air, whipped upside down, and fired my guns rapidly as I descended. Only Dante.

The sound is, unlike DMC2, kickass and well suited. My only problem with it is some of young Dante's lines are scripted as Dante but almost come off as a bad translation. The wrong word is emphasized or it's all just too goofy and a little too much focus on a "Let's rock, baby!" setup. Given the fact that he says no real english language when fighting, I think it's okay though.

Fun factor? Whoo! through the damn roof. I'm barely at the third mission and I'm already having so much fun I can't begin to explain it. Nothing is as cool as some of the stuff you can do just from the START. I know this is breif but I'm on the Item screen right now and I'm really eager to get back to it.

I hope this was helpful. It's a kick ass game.

PS: This game is NOT really hard. If you played the shit out of DMC and thought DMC2 was too easy, this one's right on par.

boojiboy7

03-07-2005, 10:13 AM

Amen on the difficulty. It is actrually just about balanced. And they also made it very easy to go orb hunting if you need to buy items, so it may take you a little longer if you suck, but it is still doable. The fact that greg kasavin at gamespot took two nights to beat the second level makes me laugh, as the end of that level isn't even a reall boss (you have to fight that guy as a regular enemey later on).

The voice acting is great. Dante does say a few words fighting (such as "Blast off!" when you follow a guy up into the air) but they usually just make me smile. The cutscenes are also great, as Capcom seems to be finally realizing how NOT SERIOUS this series is, despite how serious people take it. The action is over the top, the story has all the right tones. It is just really well done.

I actually enjoyed DMC2, though 1 was the better game. 3, for me, surpasses them both. The only complaint I can level against it is the soundtrack, which gets very repetitive. I wouldn't notice it, except that it has lyrics that get very boring, fast...

Great frickin game though. Rivals RE4 for awesomnosity. Capcom swinging 2 for 2 this year on big releases.

Toastburner B

03-07-2005, 11:22 AM

Indeed, DMC 3 is a lot of un. I haven't had too much time to play it, though. Some time on Wednesday and Thursday nights, but I had to work all weekend.

While the game is hard, as compared some other titles out there, it is doable. The first boss real boss is nowhere near as frustrating as the first boss was in DMC 1. The bosses are hard in the "Gah! I thought I had him! I'll get him next time!", not the "ARRRRGGHHHH!!!! ::smashes controller::" hard that the bosses in the first DMC were.

Devil May Cry is an awesome series. I even enjoyed the second one...even if very few others did.

senfood

03-07-2005, 11:34 AM

I have to play that game. I've seen in game video of Dante riding an enemy like a surfboard while shooting enemies. It...looks...insane

ApathyMan

03-07-2005, 11:40 AM

I very much enjoied Devil May Cry. I never played Devil May Cry 2, and I want to play Devil May Cry 3. I'm glad they decided to up the difficulty a bit from the first and second one.

It almost seems as if Dante's jobs got easier and easier as time went by.

Nonetheless, I might actually check out #3 (assuming I can pull myself away from Tekken 5).

Toastburner B

03-07-2005, 11:47 AM

It almost seems as if Dante's jobs got easier and easier as time went by.

It might be because I'm just a "casual gamer" (i.e.: I don't have to find every single item every, or become a master at a game just because I have it), but DMC 3 is still pretty hard. The mini-boss on Mission two killed me twice, and I got taken by normal monsters once, this giving me the three deaths I needed to get easy mode.

Even on easy mode, the first major boss of the game killed me three times before I finally beat him. The other bosses would of have gotten me if I hadn't orb farmed to get some healing items before I went in.

It's hard, but it's not the rage-inducing hardness of the first DMC 1. I almost literally threw my control playing the first DMC, because the bosses seemed hard and cheap. On DMC 3, they are hard, but in the good way. In the "I can do this way", not the "This is the sixth time I've fought him and I can't even take an inch of his lifebar" hard.

It's certainly harder than DMC 2.

Then again, I'm playing on Easy. So the bosses might be just as rage inducing on Normal.

General opinion, that I have seen, on the net is that this game is just as hard as the first Devil May Cry, so , if you thought that game was a challenge, you might want to look into this game.

Omega

03-07-2005, 08:08 PM

This game is so much fun i cant even begin to describe it im only taking a break while my fingers cool downfrom all the crazy swordmaster comboing... phew this game is deffinaly the epitomy of awesome the second i got the Cerberus (ice nunchucks) and saw the air spin whirlwind if doom i was sold (btw has any one tryed royal guard i used it once and did a rediculusly powerful move but i found it lacting to air rave) o well im ranting.

ApathyMan

03-08-2005, 10:35 AM

It might be because I'm just a "casual gamer"... but DMC 3 is still pretty hard.
Actually, I was really referring to the chronology of the games (DMC 3 was a prequel to DMC 1; DMC 2 took place after DMC 1. From hardest to easiest the games rank 3 - 1 - 2). In that sense, Dante's jobs just go easier and easier as time went on.

But as far as how difficult the games are - I even had massive troubles getting past Devil May Cry 1 (Damn that nightmare... black... blob... thing... hating... so much...).

shiney

03-08-2005, 10:55 AM

This game really is fun. My friend got it last night and we played upuntil the ice guardian, who killed us 5 times. Then we gave up. :D

Mirai Gen

03-08-2005, 02:11 PM

This game really is fun. My friend got it last night and we played upuntil the ice guardian, who killed us 5 times. Then we gave up. :D
Sounds pretty familiar.

TIPS OF TEH TRADEZZ!!:
1 - Dodgeroll is your friend
2 - all bosses have patterns for most of their attacks
3 - Your hand is going to get really fuggin sore.
4 - Guns rock. Even if you're a swordmaster use the guns. Using the sword takes a bit more trying since you have to memorize the exact moment to get the fuck out of the way.

Than again, I'm a gunslinger right now so that might be why

oh, and by the way, I take back my statement earlier. This game has significantly harder bosses for the first 6 or so levels than the original DMC. After that it's on par with the first game. I find it ironic, though, that the fight with Vergil was laughably easy with Air Hike. fire fire fire fire doublejump fire fire fire fire....I even wailed on him with my swords.

PS: The guitar. Wow. I just don't know what to think about the electric (literally) guitar weapon you get. Just wow.

boojiboy7

03-08-2005, 02:24 PM

Nevan (the guitar) is officially, I think, the coolest weapon evar.

Zen RU

03-10-2005, 01:13 AM

Just a few tips for everyone that is having trouble
1. Play through easy mode first case all the stuff you get in easy mode can be used in normal mood (I'm serous try it) I was stuck at the mission where you have to fight virgil 7th on I think. I switched over to easy and was able to beat him, when I went back to normal I noticed I had the devil trigger powers

2. Save items of boss fights, they are to expense to just wasit on normal guys

3. Save everytime you find a blue soul fragment even if you fail the mission you'll still have it

4. Save just before you about to die this allows you to keep any red souls you have gotten

Also has anyone find the 3rd secert mission, I located 1,2, and 4 and missed 3 some where. While on the subject on secert missions just do them all on easy cuz once you have it completed on easy it counts for normal to

Dante

03-10-2005, 04:40 AM

Well ,after completing DMC3 on DMD, I can safely say that DMC3 Normal is easier than DMC1 normal, but DMC3 DMD is at least three times more difficult than DMC1 DMD.

Swordmaster - I recommend everyone start out with Swordmaster, since each weapon's Level 3 special pwns (Danse Macabre, anyone?). Alas, Level 1 moves for Swordmaster suck compared to Gunslinger Level 1 moves.

Trickster - You will probably want to switch to Trickster for Vergil 2 and 3 (yes, you fight him more than once) because that bastard moves faster than you. Having a last-minute dash to get out of a painful attack's way is invaluable, as is an airdash. Air Trick is IMO useless, but YMMV.

Gunslinger - Level 1 moves are fun, but most of the subsequent moves are basically iterative upgrades of the L1 specials. Shotgun has IMO the best moves of all, like Gun Stinger, Fireworks and Wild Stomp.

Royal Guard - THE best way to play in DMD mode, but you need near perfect timing to us it properly. Holding down the block button reduces the damage you take, but pressing the block button exactly as you get hit builds your Devil gauge, reduces damage taken to zero AND builds up your "anger gauge", which is a measure of how much damage you've taken. Release your anger in a power punch by pressing R1 + Forward + Circle - I've seen people wipe out seven demons at once on DMD mode for a SSStylish rating.

Feel free to bug me for info, I'm currently replaying it on DMD to hone my skills.

Toastburner B

03-10-2005, 10:43 AM

Man, I played it last night after a few days.

I realized that, though I had gotten Swordmaster up to level 2, I hadn't really played around with my new skills.

All I can say is... :eek:.

Those are freakin' awesome!! I played level 1 and 2 for like an hour orb farming, and just screwing around with those Swordmaster skills...and getting Gunslinger up to lvl 2, as well.

I love the sword-throw technique (I forget it's name). It's like a Roundtrip that's actually useful.

Mirai Gen

03-10-2005, 02:24 PM

*hits pause on Devil May Cry 3*

God damn, Mission 15 is a pain in the ass, I just got all the way back to the Devil May Cry office and 15th Street - Aftermath while taking a wrong turn. I just got Trickster, too - I originally thought it would be useless after Twosome Time and Firestorm and the lock-on ability with the Artemis and Fireworks...okay pretty much everything, but the double-dash and Air-dash are Mega Man inspired works of genius.

The Nevan, while not the coolest, is one of the funkiest and most off-the-wall weapons I've ever seen in such a darkly atomosphered game like DMC.

chachibenito

03-10-2005, 03:39 PM

yes, but my favorite things are the special thing you can do at the credits. (I wont spoil it for you in case you haven't seen it yet.) And escpesially Heaven or Hell mode (again, I won't ruin it, just beat Dante must Die mode and you too shall know.) Good luck findin' tha hidden ending. (Hint: has to do with the cool thing you do during the credits)

UrbanSpaceman

03-10-2005, 04:09 PM

Call me messed up, but I actually found DMC 2 MORE difficult than number 1... sure, some of the bosses on 1 drove me to insanity, but it was always a case of learning the timing... once I knew exactly when to roll and backflip out of the way before diving in to unload on the newly exposed weak point, I never had that much trouble. Hard mode gave me a few more problems, and Dante Must Die difficulty gave me more still, but I never actually felt there was a chance I would NEVER be able to defeat a boss, it was always a case of "how many more goes".

Some of the bosses on DMC2, however, had a way of continuing to damage me however much I roll, backflipped, jumped off the walls and did ridiculous "air hikes". I found myself knocking back healing items and the like just to get through some of the earlier bosses... maybe I'm a noob who simply couldn't get the technique right, but these guys gave me a LOT more trouble in 2 than in 1.

Anyway, haven't played 3 yet, don't even think its out here in the UK just now, but when it does come out I'll be sure to pick up a copy, if I can drag myself away from that cursed WoW, that is.

Vicious

03-10-2005, 07:07 PM

Jeeze, I'm just now realizing the affect that DMC 1 had on my gaming skillz. I've never played an X-Box before, or played Van Helsing, but I went over to my neighbors while he was stuck on some boss.. A flying vampire lady or something. He said he had been stuck on it for a few days.. Anyway, he lets me give it a shot, and I totally own it. Damn, that pissed him off. I went on to do alot of hidden shit and figure out some puzzles that he said he never would've thought of.. I was able to humiliate his punk self and rub his nose in my awesomeness all thanks to DMC.

Anyway, I want to play the 3rd one. I saw the commercial for it the other day, and the next day I thought I had deampt it up.. Had to google it to make sure. Anyway, I'll probably buy it at Wally World sometime soon.

Also, I also found DMC 2 harder than 1. I owned one easily, up to the hard difficulty, but couldn't get past the damned giant eyeball tank things on 2. Geeze.

Krylo

03-15-2005, 12:26 AM

Well ,after completing DMC3 on DMD, I can safely say that DMC3 Normal is easier than DMC1 normal, but DMC3 DMD is at least three times more difficult than DMC1 DMD.Maybe we have entirely different play styles, but I gotta disagree with this. In DMC1 it was rare for a boss to ever beat me on normal mode, even once. I was able to pretty easily dismantle everything I came across, every once and awhile I'd get to a boss I'd have to learn first, but that's about it. And normal baddies NEVER killed me on DMC1.

DMC3, I'm playing through normal right now, and I keep getting my ass beat. I'm getting the hang of it and getting better, but it's certainly more of a challenge than DMC1 ever was.

Dante

03-15-2005, 01:17 AM

(snip what krylo said)

Heh, you know what, krylo? I just started replaying DMC1 recently and the bloody Marionettes were raping me. Dante takes damage like a baby in DMC1 and Force Edge does craptastic damage. Strange, huh? I mean, I got back in the groove after a while, but it wasn't as easy as 3 was to me. Oh well.

Which stage are you on, anyway?

The Nevan, while not the coolest, is one of the funkiest and most off-the-wall weapons I've ever seen in such a darkly atomosphered game like DMC.

It's pretty damn unique, and it's quite good for racking up style points (FYI, bolts from Nevan's Air Raid can be spammed for Style points) Plus, shocking 5-6 enemies at once with Feedback (After pressing triangle once, R1 + Left on Left Analog Stick + Circle repeatedly) is hella fun.

Have fun with Sky Star. :p

Mirai Gen

03-15-2005, 11:06 AM

Yeah but it needs a craploads of upgrades before it goes anywhere close to 'awesome'. Right now I'm so desprately clambering for orbs in Normal mode I can't upgrade it. I'm probably going to go back and play level 2 a few times in this case and maybe upgrade it.

Swordsman might help too. I'm only trickster right now. Makes Magni and Rudra easier.

Oh and by the way. At first I was thinking that Trickster was way weaker than any of the other abilities in the game, but after getting it to second level it's amazingly useful. I can get about fifty feet in the air using air raid, air-dash, and wall run. Plus it makes dodging tough bosses like Magni and Rudra easier. Royal Guard rocks if you can get the timing right. It's like your own personal "Pwn" button.

FrozenChrono

03-16-2005, 04:45 PM

I wasn't sure if I was gonna check out DMC 3 but after looking through this thread I think I just might give it a rent and see what it's got. Thanks Mirai Gen.

Krylo

03-21-2005, 05:24 PM

Trickster at level 3 is pretty god-tastic. Air Trick is one of the best moves ever. If you can lock someone you can be a foot above their head with your sword coming down instantly. Who WOULDN'T love that?

Swordmaster is pretty kickass too, although mostly just against bosses and the combat actuators. Without swordmaster a few of those actuators are downright impossible. Mostly I just use the level one abilities, though. Dance Macabre, although cool as hell, is only really useful in certain situations, Ice Age is just a defensive shield--but it takes too long to put up for it to be useful, Tempest/Cyclone are at too small a range to be really deadly, I've never actually used Nevan with it, and Beowulf's abilities are actually ALL pretty kick ass, but, like the weapon itself, a little on the slow side.

Quicksilver, however, is my go to style. I don't usually use it because it sucks DT gauge and I like to have my other, free, abilities available, but there's nothing like freezing time to get you through a few of the really annoyingly hard spots (like mission 17's spear tunnel or the test of the warrior revamped, again, in 17).

Gunslinger is a good all around style. I used it for about half the game. Rain storm and charge shot are actually really useful. Twosome time, not so much. I don't use guns other than E&I very often, however, so I'm not sure how much ass it would kick with say... Artemis (which seems to get lots of nifty gunslinger moves). Oh, and Wild Stomp, although mostly useless (except for raising style) is just fun.

I think I'm going to go and play back through the game on gunslinger now.

Granted, I'm currently only on mission 18, but that's 17 missions with which to try out all the different moves with all the different guns.

Definately gotta try Nevan on swordmaster, as well.

Mirai Gen

03-22-2005, 02:33 PM

Gunslinger is a good all around style. I used it for about half the game. Rain storm and charge shot are actually really useful. Twosome time, not so much. I don't use guns other than E&I very often, however, so I'm not sure how much ass it would kick with say... Artemis (which seems to get lots of nifty gunslinger moves). Oh, and Wild Stomp, although mostly useless (except for raising style) is just fun.

Definately gotta try Nevan on swordmaster, as well.
Gunslinger is my favorite becuase Twosome Time actually puts in occasional stun shots, which is useful against those gods-bedamned heavenly archers that shoot nearly sixty fucking red and blue spears at you by the time you're on Hard mode, or when you have Greed or Sloth sneaking up on you for a swing and you're right in the middle of a combo. However trickster tier 3 can get you on top of them and away from them in a few moments, so I can safely say it's balanced.

Nevan on Swordmaster tier 3 is a big effing sycthe, which is nice considering I thought they had left out scythes from the cache of weapons. Makes the damn Devil Arm useful at least since you're not stuck doing guitar plinks.

Dante

03-22-2005, 06:07 PM

Incidentally, if you hate Enigmas (evil archer bastards), Nevan can rape them utterly, by the simple virtue of being able to dash into them and break every single arrow they're making. Jam Session itself, used in front of them, will instantly destroy any arrows they shoot at you, even the red ones, which hurt more and are harder to destroy. To be honest, you don't need any upgrades for Nevan beyond Volume Up and Air Raid.

I've recently grown to like Cerberus a LOT. Cerberus can rape A&R and Nevan so bad they'll still be bleeding for weeks after you complete the game. The sheer volume of hits means that you'll be clashing weapons with A&R (and thus disarming them) a lot more often than normal, while Nevan's bat shield gets torn apart by Cerberus, and Nevan herself is weak against ice. Only Beowulf comes close in hurting her as much as Cerberus, IMO.

And Gunslinger is my second favorite style after Swordmaster, mostly because of the evil cheese tactic of alternating normal shots and Trick shots. Since the animations cancel each other, great firing speeds can be attained. This makes the Target Practice mission and fighting Bloodgoyles a breeze.

VA_Ninja

03-22-2005, 08:49 PM

Okay I just got the game today.

Holy shit...

The action is just simply insane. The first mission alone left my wrist and thumbs raw and bloody. This game is just so crazy and intense I don't mind dying 15 times on a single level. This might be the best game I've ever played.

Right now I'm only on the early stages (just beat Cerberus, using fully powered E&I). Damn my martial arts and play practice for taking away my DMC3 playing time!

Minor Dizaster

03-22-2005, 11:49 PM

I am a new DMC fan. I hadn't played DMC or DMCII, but I had birthday money and my friend (and Game Informer) reccomended DMCIII, so I thought, "What the Hell" (no pun intended) and bought it.

Best. Impulse. Ever.

This is defnitely an amazing game, and I reccomend it to anyone and everyone who lives and breathes. And plays video games. Violent ones, at least. I mean, the combo engine is insane! I can dash in and stab a demon, fling him into the air, jump up after him, slash at him about ten times, unload a couple of clips into him, and slam him into the ground with my sword, all in about 3 seconds.

Yeah, it's a fun game, all right.

Krylo

03-23-2005, 08:20 PM

I've recently grown to like Cerberus a LOT. Cerberus can rape A&R and Nevan so bad they'll still be bleeding for weeks after you complete the game. The sheer volume of hits means that you'll be clashing weapons with A&R (and thus disarming them) a lot more often than normal, while Nevan's bat shield gets torn apart by Cerberus, and Nevan herself is weak against ice. Only Beowulf comes close in hurting her as much as Cerberus, IMO.I didn't notice much/any difference between damage on Cerberus and Rebellion against either of those bosses, really, and, for Nevan, I've taken out her entirely fresh bat shield in one swipe of rebellion about five or six times. I'm not sure how to do it, exactly, some kind of timing, but it's possible. It usually takes about seven or eight slashes total to take down her shield, on average.

Also, Cerberus's combos are too slow and the lack of double jump leaves me in the cold against A&R. With Rebellion I can beat them, now, getting hit maybe five to ten times, and still be timely about it. With Cerberus I'm hit everytime I'm not hitting them, and while I'm trying to revolver one, the other always hits me, etc. etc.

Of course, Cerberus just fucks up my play style twenty ways to sunday and I can't stand it.

And Gunslinger is my second favorite style after Swordmaster, mostly because of the evil cheese tactic of alternating normal shots and Trick shots. Since the animations cancel each other, great firing speeds can be attained. This makes the Target Practice mission and fighting Bloodgoyles a breeze.Doing that with Spiral is evil. Fucking evil.

Gunslinger is my favorite becuase Twosome Time actually puts in occasional stun shots, which is useful against those gods-bedamned heavenly archers that shoot nearly sixty fucking red and blue spears at you by the time you're on Hard mode, or when you have Greed or Sloth sneaking up on you for a swing and you're right in the middle of a combo. However trickster tier 3 can get you on top of them and away from them in a few moments, so I can safely say it's balanced.

Like Dante said: Nevan. Also, if you can avoid decently to get the opening, a good stinger will fuck their shit right up.

KefkaTaran

03-23-2005, 08:24 PM

I know I don't usually post on here lately, but I have two points for consideration.

Point A: Devil May Cry 3 does rock. I'm actually stuck on Nevan (I believe) right now. But that didn't stop me from writing a review for it. Anyways.

Point B: Krylo su>< n iz st00pid.

<3

Dante

03-24-2005, 12:38 AM

For Nevan - keep the pressure on her, get to her QUICK, and learn how she prefaces EVERY attack with something. Her most powerful defense is the bat shield - she is invulnerable as long as it is up. Hit it with everything you have, and once it breaks, hit her HARD to stun her, otherwise she'll teleport away if you're too slow. Once she's stunned, however, you can beat the living crap out of her... until the shadow spreading out from under her stops spreading. Then jump back, because it'll swell up, damage and knock you down, and teleport her to one of the ends of the arena.

Her attacks:

"Get ready..." ---> Stationary spinning slash. Ends when she says "...sugar." Once you hear that, go forth and rape her. As her life goes down, she spins longer. Even without an Air Hike weapon, you can jump back once and avoid damage (hopefully)

"How's this?" ----> She'll fire clusters of lightning charged bats at you. Jump low, repeatedly, and to the sides, then stinger in to hammer her bat shield.

"Now you'll get tired..." ---> she's going to hit you with a huge lightning bolt, so move until you see the spot below you glow and hit her from somewhere far away.

"You can't escape..." ---> She will break her bat shield and home in towards you. Then she will grab you. And kiss you. In case you didn't get the hint, Nevan is a demonic witch. She will suck your life out like a starved lamprey and replenish her own. DO NOT GET TOUCHED BY HER IN THIS STATE. If you do, you will suffer. If she grabs you, you can break the grab by Devil Triggering, or if you're DTed to begin with, you can beat her like an alcoholic husband and put her into stun.

When the floor crackles, with electricity, jump. Or she'll zap the entire floor and damage you.

When she conjures up the lightning pillars that move in patterns, try to evade them all - this tends to make her go out to attack you with Shadow Blades, where you can easily outflank her and beat her up.

Her shadow blade attack consists of her throwing a wave of shadow blades (duh) at a straight line at you. This is your chance to run around them and beat her up.

Extra for those who have completed the game:

Kalina Ann is GREAT for breaking her shield and scoring Devil Gauge to whale on her with in her vulnerable state.

Toastburner B

03-24-2005, 04:32 AM

The action is just simply insane. The first mission alone left my wrist and thumbs raw and bloody.

I know exactly what you mean. On one of the Vergil fights, I had to pause because my thumb and wrists were getting tired. It happens a lot in this game, I noticed. Probably because there can be so many enemies on the screen at once, and you're trying to fight and dodge at the same time.

So far, my best configuration is Swordmaster (lv. 2) with Rebellion and A&R. Rebellion is a solid melee fighting weapon, and has moves that can get you out of almost any situation, and A&R is great for those moments when you really have to dish out the pain. I've noticed (on Easy, at least) that a level 3 Jet-Stream can take down a Hell Pride in one go.

Then again, I'm not every far, I'm just on level 8 (got smacked around by the Heart), so I'm going back through the first few levels to get some red orbs so I can replenish my vital star supply (level 7 is a mess, man. So many freaking enemies, then a boss fight to boot.).

Kima Azure

03-24-2005, 06:21 AM

Has anybody tried to fight the bosses with their own weapons? Such as, defeating Cerberus with the Cerberus, Agni & Rudra with your own pair, Nevan vs. Nevan, and Beowulf meeting Beowulf?

Mirai Gen

03-24-2005, 09:49 PM

Beowulf is so powerful that kind of matchup is rocking, so you can do three hits right after he does his, and then dodge. Cerberus with Cerberus wouldn't work too well because he's easiest to kill with handguns and dodge rolling, Agni and Rudra against themselves would be tough since the point behind them is to do a few hits and doge, then do a few more and dodge, then repeat.

Nevan against herself would be horrible - half of hte normal, non-swordmaster attacks would be nearly useless as you have to hit her and be able to move. A good third of the bat-attacks spread around you. She'd just float away leaving you hanging.

Rebellion and Agni and Rudra with swordmaster or level 3 trickster, and both with Air Raid kicks SO much ass I can't even begin to explain it.

EDIT: The flaming hellhorse boss is without a doubt the most LAUGHABLE boss ever. I killed him first try without even breaking a sweat or using anything more than Devil Trigger. Fight vergil the second time and this guy is like a cakewalk.

Kima Azure

03-24-2005, 10:49 PM

Okay, just so I get it... my Beowulf challenge would be great to do, and my Agni & Rudra challenge would be VERY hard? Okay, who can get the best time on that one?

Krylo

03-24-2005, 11:38 PM

Beowulf one would be easy. A&R one would be intermediate, a bit harder than normal but nothing hellish, and the Nevan one would be sheer hell. The Cerberus one would be pointless, because you hardly use Devil Arms on him, anyway. Unless you're in a hurry.

I've beaten him using NOTHING but Rebellion before, though, and once using just A&R and E&I, but only E&I to bust up the ice on his face. You take more damage, but it's much faster.

I might try him with Cerberus, if it doesn't completely suck to use it in the air. I hardly ever use it because it's slow and doesn't give air hike, so I'm not sure how good it is while jumping.

Red Mage Black

03-25-2005, 12:57 AM

I got kiled so many times within just the first 3 levels (about 5 don't laugh) most by that stupid dog. Right before I gave the old yeller the final blow, I said 'down!'

My favorite style is gunslinger, second Sword Master, third trickster, and last Royal Guard. I only got to play it for a while, maybe about one night, then my PS2's hard drive messed up. I wanted to kick so much demon *** that its not even funny. Okay, maybe it is. Why god why? I thought you and me had a deal.

boojiboy7

03-25-2005, 10:36 AM

The Cerberus one would be pointless, because you hardly use Devil Arms on him, anyway. Unless you're in a hurry.

Man, devil arms are the only way to beat Cerb. Seriously. I beat him the first time using pistols, but that completely sucks and took about five years. Once you learn to read him, Agni and rudra work best on him. With sword mast, their Air combo rocks his face, and you can get him to fall over for you incredibly easily. I can beat the guy in like 30 seconds with minimal damage.

I still don't really get why people complain about the difficulty of this game. It always felt fair to me.

Dante

03-25-2005, 11:47 AM

Anyone ever beat Vergil with Rebellion ONLY? I have. It feels so much... righter, that way.

Although Beowulf will RAPE him.

Darth SS

03-25-2005, 05:47 PM

Wow. I'm only just past the second Vergil fight and...wow.

I replayed the first 3 levels umpteen times, trying to get my styles maxed out.

I heart Trickster. It's just so damn useful. Especially (I think it's called) Air Trick. Having Vergil come flying at you, vanishing, then smacking him around a bit with Agni and Rudra gives you the warmest tingly feeling ever.

Krylo

03-25-2005, 06:33 PM

Anyone ever beat Vergil with Rebellion ONLY? I have. It feels so much... righter, that way.
Rebellion and E&I... I always use E&I. Always. I can't help it. I try to restrain myself and still I hit the square button and let off a few volleys of hot lead.

But that's what Dante uses in the cutscenes anyway.

Dante

03-25-2005, 07:24 PM

Rebellion + E&I is fine. Now I'm orb farming on Normal Vergil 3... fucking DMD mode.

VA_Ninja

03-25-2005, 07:50 PM

Right now I'm up at the Leviathan level. I went back and replayed some levels to get my styles up and see which one I like best. Gunslinger and Swordmaster are my favs, Trickster I find very dull (although I'm much more agressive than jumpy), and haven't tried Royal Guard yet. The only gun I use is E&I, period. The other guns I have are far too slow to use and just aren't worth it. Plus Twosome Time is one of the best moves in the game, IMO. A&R are my favorite Devil Arm, already got all it's abilities and it's Swordmaster moves can help you combo like crazy.

Also, what's your opinion on the Devil Trigger? it doesn't really seem to do much, maybe I'm just using it wrong.

Dante

03-25-2005, 10:29 PM

DT makes you move hella fast, lets you perform moves without being interrupted, it refills your life and you take less damage in DT. It's an enhancement-type thing, not a mode-change, beause you can do virtually everything in outside of DT that you can while in it, with the exception of Nevan's Air Raid.

I generally only use it when fighting multiple enemies or when hammering on a boss during one of his windows of opportunity. Otherwise, everything dies at about the same speed.

lazy man

03-26-2005, 08:08 PM

I finally got this last night. Wow. Just wow. I wasn't expecting something so addicting. I've been playing this game all day long, and I'm up to mission 14. All extra time was spent orb farming just to get items (damn my recklessness...)

Of all the styles I've used so far, I would say Swordmaster is my favorite (got it up to level 3 right now) with Trickster coming up in second because the dashes really help when I'm actually thinking. I don't really find the fun in Gunslinger, maybe because I love running up to things and beating the living crap out of them with some sort of weapon (mostly Agni & Rudra, I can't help but love those twin swords).

One thing that amazes me though is how the series went from what it was in the first one to what it is now. It's so complicated in comparison (at least from what I remember of DMC1), yet somehow stays very simple. I think it's actually a good thing because I'm getting tired of some newer games being annoyingly complicated sometimes.

Krylo

03-26-2005, 09:20 PM

Well I finally got around to bothering to beat the game, instead of just playing through repeatedly. Firstly, Arkham, the second to last boss is a fucking pansy.

Mirai, if you thought Geryon was laughable, wait until you get to that guy. He's way easier than Geryon. There's only one boss more pathetic, but that one has good story reasons for being such a pansy. You literally don't even need to dodge on that fight (the fourth to last). Just charge and hack.

Also, Spoilers for the beat the game on normal and killed 100 enemies during the credits: After seeing the end of the game, I've come to this conclusion: Dante could have killed Vergil at any time. In the end we see that Dante was never trying to kill Vergil. It really was just a game to him. It wasn't until that last blow that he had decided to kill his brother (and still didn't).

Vergil never showed that kind of weakness. He, in fact, has shown the exact opposite. When he ran Dante through to keep him down, when he went to attack again when Dante was weakened and had first awakened the Devil within, and when he was after a piece of Dante 'literally'.

In a fight, if you're willing to kill, you have a huge advantage over an opponent who isn't. Dante still managed to fight Vergil to a stand still twice, and defeat him when he was at his strongest.

Further, by the end Dante was certainly more mature. He had goals. He knew what needed to be done and why. Vergil merely wanted power. He had no answer for Dante's question, "And just what are you going to do with all that power?" Vergil was greedy and avaricious without clear reason. At some point it may have been for a purpose, but by the rise of Temen-ni-gru, it was power for the sake of power.

And, due to his words, I think what originally made him seek power was the death of their mother. "Without power, you can protect nothing." However, it quickly became all consuming, and he had given up protection of anything so long as he could obtain the power of his father.

This is pretty evident from his actions:

Opening the gate to hell.

'Killing' Arkham for not slaying his daughter.

Attempting to kill his own brother.

And generally not caring about life, human or otherwise.

In the very end, it seems that getting defeated by Dante allowed him to understand that what he was doing was futile, but by then it was too late. He had, apparently, already suffered a brain aneurism that made him think taking on Mundus alone, after just being sliced damn near in half and falling off a waterfall, was a good idea.

And now... to switch gears once more...

It's my opinion that Nightmare from DMC1 was actually the dregs of Arkham's soul used as/powering a weapon. Evidence?

Firstly, Arkham, when he releases the powers of Sparda, fights like a really shitty version of Nightmare. He lacks the protection, DT gauge sucking, and ice beam. Other than that his attacks are generally slower versions of nightmares. The homing shots where nightmare had multiple rapid fire ones, the tentacles, the slugs, where Nightmare had more powerful slugs. Not to mention they were both big nasty piles of slime.

Thoughts?

Mirai Gen

03-26-2005, 09:48 PM

Well I finally got around to bothering to beat the game, instead of just playing through repeatedly. Firstly, (bleep), the second to last boss is a fucking pansy.

Mirai, if you thought Geryon was laughable, wait until you get to that guy. He's way easier than Geryon. There's only one boss more pathetic, but that one has good story reasons for being such a pansy. You literally don't even need to dodge on that fight (the fourth to last). Just charge and hack.

I actually only had problems with him when you fight him with Vergil at your side. I lost all Devil Trigger powers and my Trickster abilities. I was handicapped to the extreme.

And yes, Geryon was pathetic.

Also, Spoilers for the beat the game on normal and killed 100 enemies during the credits: (bleep)
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I agreed, Akhram couldn't hold onto the power of Sparda and he was transformed accordingly, which I actually liked. Cakewalk of a fight, but it's nice.

And I was THIS CLOSE to getting the 100 kills ending, but Vergil is SUCH a total pain in the ass in the final fight - even with Trickster tier 3! - I don't want to go back and fight him. Can someone inform me what the 'secret movie' is? or was it him, in some way, relating the fact that Dante was just playing a game with Vergil.

Damn, DMC is some deep shit. All I can hope is with DMC4 we see yet another girl show up and all the others gone for no reason whatsoever.

EDIT: Where the hell did Jester go? And where the hell did he come from, too?

lazy man

03-26-2005, 10:04 PM

Where the hell did Jester go? And where the hell did he come from, too?

Since it's fresh in my head, I'd be glad to tell.

Jester was basically Arkham in disguise, trying to lead all of the main factors up to the key in the tower. He didn't want to dress and talk like an idiot, but he had to do it to get the tower to himself.

Kima Azure

03-26-2005, 10:12 PM

About the guy who asked whether or not he could use E&Y...

Why not? I mean, you don't really have anything sort of 'superdevastator attack' like Vergil has when you're DT'ed. In fact, DT isn't exactly something I'd support in his fights, unless it was a 'spur of the moment' thing.

But, if you want to make this a swordfight, then just remember the following: you just need E&Y as DISTRACTIONS. If you want to kill him with a sword, go right ahead. If you can't avoid using your guns, then turn it into a countermeasure against Vergil's magic/skills.

Basically, put sword against sword and gun against dark magic-like stuff

Krylo

03-26-2005, 10:19 PM

Mirai: Vergil 3, although easily the hardest boss, isn't THAT bad. Just stock up on some vital stars and don't save after you beat it again so you don't actually lose them.

I didn't even need a vital star until he went ape shit with the jumpies on my first go.

Also: equip the rocket launcher as your second gun and use ONLY that to kill the basic enemies, unless one is out of range, then only stinger the ONE time to close the distance and continue using the launcher. When the hell vanguard comes up, use Rebellion. Killing 100 is easy that way.

Dante

03-28-2005, 03:05 AM

But, if you want to make this a swordfight, then just remember the following: you just need E&Y as DISTRACTIONS. If you want to kill him with a sword, go right ahead. If you can't avoid using your guns, then turn it into a countermeasure against Vergil's magic/skills.

To be honest, you don't need E&I. Beowulf alone is enough for you to own his ass six ways to Sunday. He is vulnerable after missing a combo and whenever he does the Slash Orb thing, so bait him (don't ask me how) into doing Slash Orb, then jump up, Killer Bee, and pwn him. You should be able to get 3 full Combo 1s in before he blocks and teleports.

If you want to do it with Rebellion, you are in a unique situation... Beowulf's Killer Bee is good because it can move forward even in the air, but Rebellion goes straight down. And jumping is the best way to avoid slash orbs and Vergil's sword combos, esp. the Helm Breakers. I would suggest jumping to the side to avoid Helm Breakers, immediately Helm Breaker to get down to the ground fast, and Stinger him, then start your combo. Vergil uses your proprietary moves, so turnabout is fair play.

Firstly, Arkham, when he releases the powers of Sparda, fights like a really shitty version of Nightmare. He lacks the protection, DT gauge sucking, and ice beam. Other than that his attacks are generally slower versions of nightmares. The homing shots where nightmare had multiple rapid fire ones, the tentacles, the slugs, where Nightmare had more powerful slugs. Not to mention they were both big nasty piles of slime.

The more I think about it, the more I think it makes sense. I guess being soulforged into a biological weapon by a three-eyed fallen angel does wonders for you.

Incidentally, Arkham 2nd half on DMD = fucking pain.

Mirai Gen

03-28-2005, 03:08 AM

Krylo

03-28-2005, 03:54 AM

The more I think about it, the more I think it makes sense. I guess being soulforged into a biological weapon by a three-eyed fallen angel does wonders for you.
There's also the Nightmare Beta, as proof. Beta is generally used to describe a prototype version (I wonder where Alpha is? The Artemis maybe?), so Nightmare Beta would be the prototype of the Nightmare you fight. The gun was a weapon which took the power of your demonic soul (devil trigger power), and turned it into destructive force, much like Nightmare does with, if I'm correct, Arkham's.

And Mundus brought Dante's mother back from the dead, more or less, with increased abilities...

Good to know...it's the only time I'd ever use Katalina Ann. Ever. Time to go try Vergil again.I use it all the time. The throwback it has against enemies is great for when you're surrounded, and the basic gunslinger move that fires the mini-missiles is great for emptying a room. Grappling, the level two (or was it three?) move is pretty good for when you want to get an enemy that's currently a distance from you into sword range... or just want to knock one down. Plus, it's damn near impossible to beat the secret mission inside leviathan without using it to knock the DT'd prides off the elevator. They're too strong to kill in time, and only Kalina Ann will knock them down quickly enough.

Mirai Gen

03-29-2005, 04:42 AM

And now for something completely different!

Does anyone know where I can get the images that are unlocked through beating the game? I was really angry when a friend of mine assured me 'it would only unlock everything for HIS game' but instead unlocked everything for anyone on that memory card. So now I have access to everything, including the infinite Devil Trigger costume.

Plus side - the art is cool, and I like Dante's original costume WAY more.
Negative side - I don't get to unlock anything.

So! Onto my point, does anyone know where I can find a gallery of all the unlockable images? I really want the picture of Lady holding her bike's handlebars and Dante off in the distance shrugging as a background.

Vicious

03-29-2005, 06:54 PM

Damn, the ending was sad to me. That piano music they had in the ranking screen just added on to it.

Just curious. Is there any mention of Vergil or similar elements of Dante's past in DMC2? I rented it a while back, but I only got to the eyeball tank things before I lost interest.

Mirai Gen

03-29-2005, 07:40 PM

Devil May Cry 2 was about as relative to DMC1 as Devil May Cry 1 was to Mega Man. It covered nothing.

VA_Ninja

03-29-2005, 09:57 PM

Blarg, up to the classic "replay all the bosses" level. I'm at Swordmaster lvl 3 now, and I've got to say, Beowulf is insane. The only time I switch back to A&R is when dealing with Fallen. Kalina Ann rocks as well. It fires pretty fast and blows the shit out of weker enemies. The stun effect it has is where it really shines. I can blast some poor fool at point blank then follow up with Beowulf's lvl 3 swordmaster move to pretty much own anything without worry. Doesn't work to well against those damn spiders though.

And Nevan, while being a bit odd to use, is easily the coolest weapon evar.

Vicious

03-29-2005, 10:13 PM

I didn't find Nevan helpful or useful at all. I don't think I equipped it once after the initial curiousity of seeing what it did. Still cool though.

Anyway, I've mastered all 4 styles, upgraded all weapons and guns to the fullest, ect.. So I put in the mega code thing. I only rented the game for a few days, so I was like "What the Hell..." And I must say, using the Quicksilver style with infinite DT whilst being in devil mode is totally frickin' sweet. I just wish I could see how cool and fast I'm killing everything from a 3rd person non-slowed down perspective.

Krylo

03-29-2005, 10:33 PM

VA_Ninja

03-29-2005, 11:17 PM

Nevan only shines when you have it upgraded and use swordmaster level three. It can do some cool stuff, but it's mostly a group clearing weapon, which I like A&R better for. It does do one thing better than other weapons, though: Style points. Getting a SSStylish with that once you've learned how to cycle the level 3 swordmaster techs is about as easy as getting a sweet on other weapons.
Does make sense though. If you're going to kick demon ass with a Guitar, you'd better be looking damn good while doing it.
Also, thanks for the tip on Kalina Ann's Grapple. VERY useful against most enemies. Grapple, Punch, Shoot, Dead.