FF X-2 incest?

[Syka]

This has been bothering me, is Square actually forgeting who is who for their characters. In X-2, please don't hurt me for playing this it was a Christmas gift, Brother is well hot for Yuna. This is normally just annoying, but they are cousins. Rikku and Brother are siblings and their father is Cid. No big deal yet, but Yuna's uncle is Cid (on her mother's side) so Rikku and Brother are cousins with Yuna. Please don't tell me I am the only one bothered by this.

[ApathyMan]

Well... in Massachusetts, it is legal to marry a first cousin...

[TheBlindMime]

That doesn't mean its right. And to put it simply Massachusetts is now on my list of disgusting places never to go, its right up there with all of the south.

and yes it bothered me too.

[ApathyMan]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I too am bothered by it... I suppose my point was that some people in our fine state thought it important enough to put a law like that in the books - and I suppose some of the people at Square either didn't see a problem with it or was just a mere oversight.

[Syka]

Well Square is a big company so if it was done purposely I would think someone would try to change it. I'm just wondering if they just flat out don't care about if their games make sense anymore. Even thought X-2 isn't the most thought out of their games it still carries the name Final Fantasy and should be well made.

[Nikkoru]

I thought that was odd myself - I just assumed I misunderstood the Rikku-Brother connection, that he was *like* family. Now that I think about it, it is very creepy and unnecassary - especially considering it was only done for humours sake.

[UrbanSpaceman]

Maybe the legal/moral view of sexual relations between first cousins is different on Japan from the West? I have no idea whether that is true or not, I'm just mentioning the possibility.

Also, its not like anything ever happens between Yuna and Brother, he just has a crush on her, and even in the West, its hardly a crime for someone to have a harmless crush on their hot cousin. Yeah, it IS a little weird, but I don't really think its a big deal either.

[Mashirosen]

Doesn't Rikku scold him about hitting on Yuna for exactly the same reason, though? I've never played the game, but I seem to remember friends who have laughing about that.

Japanese sensibilities about some things are different than Westerners' -- some things that are taboo to us are totally hilarious to them. This is something you're always going to run into if you're into Japanese pop culture -- it's okay to find it gross, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the company is on the verge of total breakdown or becoming the next Sodom or whatever.

Edit: of course you can't Google the subject without running into what feels like an endless stream of "hooray for cousin-fucking" sites, but from what little useful information came up, it seems like Japan is just a lot more relaxed about first cousin marriage than we are, maybe even to the extent that it's not totally out of the norm for it to actually happen. Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't be grossed out by it, but at the same time, this kind of thing is something you're going to come across whenever you get into the pop culture of a society that's pretty radically different from your own in some ways.

[Loyal]

Yeah, just look at Fire Emblem (And I mean the supports and the game in its entirety). Preferably the uncensored Japanese one. I can guarantee that you'll never be bothered by something like this again.

[EVILNess]

That doesn't mean its right. And to put it simply Massachusetts is now on my list of disgusting places never to go, its right up there with all of the south.

...

That was a very rude thing to say. I am from Texas and have family spreading all through-out Louisanna and Mississippi. I have never met an inbred person.

I blame it on the Jerry Springer show. They get the worst yahoo hill-billies they can find, and it makes the rest of us down south look bad. JEEZ!

On the up side, inbreeding keeps those who do practice it out of my gene pool.

[Yunni]

Doesn't Rikku scold him about hitting on Yuna for exactly the same reason, though? I've never played the game, but I seem to remember friends who have laughing about that.



You are correct - Rikku shouts and thwaps him one.

It's more because Brother is an idiot and it's just playing on that.... but FF X-2 was full of bad, BAD inuendos anyhoo... it was shamefull *thinking of the massage mini-game*

I was giggleling when playing it, but I REALLY don't take that game at all seriously, which I suggest you offended people shouldn't either.

[TheBlindMime]

I don't count texas as in the south. And I understand that there are modern areas of the south, I just don't ever want to get lost and find myself in the ozarks. Either way my plans on travel should not be a major concern of yours.

And your icon is right bugs did not deserve that.

[h4x.m4g3]

Hey I'm from Alabama (and so is the great and wonderful Cheshire Theif but he's not here to defend the state,) and I have to say there is alot less of that going on here than you yankees think. The fact is the only people who are represented on TV is the biggest, most far fetched, off the wall people that fit into the 'image' of that region/culture. Which is why when you see New York on TV, everyone either or works on wall street, has to avoid getting mugged ten times a day, or mugs someone ten times a day.

I never payed that much attention to FF-X or X-2 because I couldn't stand to play them, but now looking back *switches to a deep southern accent* thats just wrong.

[Sandrock]

Can we add that fact that FF world is not like the USA. Or UK, France even Japan [its made in japan so things of japan are added in for added touches] what ever. For an other fact some people think faimly blood is a key point thats just them I dont care about what they think is right just as long as they dont marry with 4 other gender or something crazy like that bla.

But ya main point its not our world. I think they are bluntly un aware about it.

[mammothtank]

Yeah, just look at Fire Emblem (And I mean the supports and the game in its entirety). Preferably the uncensored Japanese one. I can guarantee that you'll never be bothered by something like this again.
Hm? I've beaten the American version (though I don't have all the supports) and have no clue what you're referring to. Can you give a brief example so I know what you mean?

[Noobity]

Well, personally I support the right for anyone of legal consenting age to enter into a union with anyone else of legal consenting age, so I wasn't personally offended by this at all, though certain comments here have been kinda offensive. But i'm not going into that.

Finally, someone else said it, but I didn't think that Rikku and Brother were in fact brother and sister anyway, just "siblings" under their commander, Cid, who just happened to be Rikku's father.

[Syka]

In FFX both Rikku and Brother refer to Cid as their father. I have seen Rikku yell at Brother for his crush, but then again I'm not all the way through. I just think that compared to Brother in X the one is X-2 is a complete idiot and if they wanted someone to act like him I would have prefered to see somebody that isn't blood related. I am also confused by the fire emblem; is it the symbol by the name on the game's cover?

[Loyal]

Hm? I've beaten the American version (though I don't have all the supports) and have no clue what you're referring to. Can you give a brief example so I know what you mean?Well, for one, Priscilla is FULL-ON hitting on Raven. He doesn't do it back, of course. He's too angstily cool for that. <_<

There is more which I shalt put here after I get some info...

[MFD]

Well... in Massachusetts, it is legal to marry a first cousin...

Huh? It is? That's... strange, given MA's usually puritanical laws (city closes at 2).

As for this, I'd find it funny. My cousin got drunk once and was hitting on another cousin of mine. Funny stuff.

[UrbanSpaceman]

Well, personally I support the right for anyone of legal consenting age to enter into a union with anyone else of legal consenting age, so I wasn't personally offended by this at all, though certain comments here have been kinda offensive. But i'm not going into that.

I agree with that idea in principle: to me, sex between first cousins is like gay sex, in that I try not to think about it as I find it offputting and strange, but I agree that people should have the right to do it. My only problem with the idea is the risk of them bringing children into the world who will possibly suffer physical defects related to incest, and almost certainly be socially stigmatised for it. Like you said, what goes on between consenting adults is their own business, howeve much we may not like the idea, but when their actions start to affect others, and particularly children, its a whole other matter.

[Death_Eater]

Well it is not like the game was any good, I mean if it is going to carry the FF name it should at least be decent. I mean if I wanted to play dress up doll I would go get some barbies from Toys-R-us!!

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Personally, I just think the Japanese have weird ideas about sex. I mean, in Tenchi Muyo, Ayeka is all hot for Yosho, who's her half-brother. In MGS2, Ottacon gets it on with his stepmother, and his stepsister is all hot for him.

And Ranma 1/2 displays the fact that the Japanese have different views on when a person is to be married & such, as I think Ranma & Akane are both 16.

SWK

[Mirai Gen]

In MGS2, Ottacon gets it on with his stepmother, and his stepsister is all hot for him.
I was a SPLIT second away from mentioning that. I really quirked an eyebrow when she brushed his hair and said "I want you to look at me as a woman." I, like this and Fire Emblem emulated translation, couldn't help but shrug it off as really wierd japanese culture.

As Mash said, seems like they're alot more soft on the subject than we are. Of course it wouldn't surprise me if they were more soft on wierd fetishes either.

[Nikkoru]

Personally, I just think the Japanese have weird ideas about sex. I mean, in Tenchi Muyo, Ayeka is all hot for Yosho, who's her half-brother. In MGS2, Ottacon gets it on with his stepmother, and his stepsister is all hot for him.

And Ranma 1/2 displays the fact that the Japanese have different views on when a person is to be married & such, as I think Ranma & Akane are both 16.

SWK

Yes, because Ranma is an accurate portrayal of japanese society.

Japan for the longest time - and still to a extremely lesser extent today - had a strict heirarchy in which one could use blood to say that they were superior to another. Even if you know nothing of Japanese history, anyone who has studied westren history should know the results of wanting to keep power within a bloodline... also, judeo-christian views on sex are a lot less prominant their, although typically seen as reserved and self diciplined people - Japanese culture is very liberal sexually speaking.

however does this have anything to do with the Yuna-Brother connection - no, they simply had very bad writers for the game who wouldn't point out such logical flaws.

[Syka]

Well I understand the bloodline thing, it's what has always happened in the past with royalty. Too bad for them that so many genetic disorders occur so much easier through incest; just look at the English royal family and all their cases of hemophilia.

[Astral Harmony]

In a lot of those hentai-style anime date sims I play more often than not, a lot of the times, among the female lineup, one is your cousin. Heck, one of the games has three different cousins of the "protagonist" in their female lineup. I guess that's why I don't think it's so bizarre.

[Syka]

This was my first time playing a game where the flirtatious characters were related so I really didn't know what to think at first; now it makes much more sense. Still like my above post from a biological stance incest is just risky for offspring.

[Nikkoru]

Direct brother and sister, yes - however there is enough genetic difference to expect not to have mutants as children with your cousin... If I recall from his book - Rudy Guillani married his cousin, I forget if it was first or second though.

[TheBlindMime]

but if you continually have cousins intermarrying it becomes a problem, its not about the first generation of cousins intermingling, its every repeating one after that. Genetic mutations will become more and more present as every generation marries their cousin.

[Mashirosen]

Google "Japanese consanguineous marriage" for all kinds of studies on the effect of cousin-marriage in their society in particular.

If you want to argue the bio-ethics of incest, though, you should probably take it to Discussion.

[Cybren]

Speaking of which, incest doesn't create birth defects.

[Syka]

Incest doesn't directly create birth defects no, but any genetic errors that may not be show with a diverse breeding pool are much more likely to occur in a gene pool with similar genetics. Maybe this should be moved to discussion as we aren't talking about a video game anymore.

[Cybren]

I think starting a new thread might be more apporpriate, but i think the mods should have the final say.