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Originally Posted by Nique

Except for complaints about the graphics from people who thought Jurassic Park's were bad WHEN it came out, I have yet to hear a really compelling reason why this movie was terrible. I don't want to drag this on but honestly at this point if we're going to go 'uh huh' 'nah uh' at each other there might as well be some measure of justification.

Like, ok I liked it becuase the action was sparse but paid off for the big finish. Eric Bana is a good actor and did justice to the role. Jennifer Connely is.... tolerable. Gary Busey Nick Nolte was fairly compelling as a villain. The writing was pretty competent as far as I could tell - No groan worthy lines, motives that make sense, no glaring inconsistencies. I understand that there's no accounting for taste, but personally I don't see what's so bad about it and would be interested in what the actual answer is to that.

Okay terrible was an exaggeration, and I didn't really like the later Hulk much better. I got kinda swept up in the hyperbole cause the rest of Sevenshot's opinions opinions were so bad. I mostly agree with you, I just thought the ending didn't payoff enough and it lacked the levity I expect from most comic book movies. I mean The Hulk isn't Batman to me, I kinda want a Hulk movie to be less introspective and more funny. But also it has been a long time since I watched it(at release, with my grandpa, when I was like 12), so maybe I'll repost about it after checking it out again.

A lot of games are like this. It's easy to be good when the majority is terrible. Writing in games is unacceptably poor.

Pretty much, I was mostly posting that because a lot of people shout Bioware's praises from the rooftops, when it's not close to the best in games (it's better than the bulk but there are a number of studios that don't just better them, but vastly eclipse them) and nowhere near good when compared to the standards of writing in other media. Mass Effect is cheesy fun and Dragon Age has some good snark but the character development, plot and general writing quality out of nerdy jokes is kind of terrible.

I recommend re-watching Voyager and skipping Threshold. There are some other frustrating things about the show (Captain Janeway's unexplained inconsistent behavior being my primary complaint) but after re-watching it a couple times I found more redeeming about it than not.

Enterprise felt like a betrayal of the principals implied in the franchise as a whole - which I guess is an interesting statement considering that some people feel that way about DS9. But saying DS9 is a wrong interpretation of what Star Trek is supposed to be about rings false for many reasons - Addressing social issues in a thought-provoking and progressive way was something that DS9 pulled off far better than even TNG did, and anyone saying that the interpersonal and intergalactic conflicts present in the series betrayed "Roddenberry's Vision" is missing the point.

Enterprise on the other hand was full of conflict where the end message was pretty ethno-centric. The T'pol character, for example, was completely misused (so much so that even the actress herself complained outspokenly about the direction the show was taking, though that may have more to do with other aspects of the program). Her supposedly superior logic and intelligence was always portrayed as an exaggerated-hubris and always undermined by "human Intuition" (most often represented by the pseudo-cowboy mentality of Archer and Trip), invariably showing her the error of her Vulcan ways. So much for respecting other cultures! Maybe even worse was the constant use of the character's sexuality to weaken and humiliate her.

I guess it's not entirely surprising or wrong to bring sex appeal into the series. Considering Jolene Blalock's modeling career and that the precedent for this sort of thing was found in Voyager's Seven of Nine, to say nothing of Troi and even Uhura, a sexy Vulcan lead is actually kind of a cool idea. But for a show that I have always imagined to have a conscience of sorts, I was deeply disappointed in their handling of it.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread. I just really wanted to talk about Star Trek.

I kind of wouldn't mind talking Trek too, I recently binged on DS9 after buying the whole series when it was on sale. Maybe one of us should make a thread about it (or maybe SciFi shows in general) in media?