Minutemen

Osterbaum · 07-26-2005, 02:57 PM

I read in some local paper about how 700 hundred or so men from the Minuteman - organization patrolled the border between Arizona and Mexico by themselves, armed. I think this was on April. And then I read that they are gonna do it again in California, next month.

And it occurred to me, that I would like to know more and have a discussion about this with you people. In no small part cause most of you know about this more than I, most likely. So what I was wondering as the first thing was:

How the hell are they even allowed to do this?

TheSpacePope · 07-26-2005, 03:17 PM

That would be our 2nd amendment. the right to be a drunken lunatic with a gun...
oh wait...nevermind.
They are allowed to arm themselves and form organized militia's. The reason they are doing this is to no doubt "Protect the border" from (we call them mexicans, but I think the proper term is Latin American) people that they do not want in the country.
I don't think that they have any actual authority to take lives, maybe they can make arrests, however if they shoot someone they will be subject to the same laws that govern everyone else in the same situation. Unless of course they are in Texas, then they will be given a medal, taken to dinner, given ammunition, and told to liquidate mental health facilities.

P-Sleazy · 07-26-2005, 05:02 PM

I dont know too much about this either but I do know that they are allowed to do this due to the 2nd Amendment which states that Citizens have a right to bear arms and form Militia's and are even responsible to form the militia if the government becomes rampant and power hunger and so on and so forth. Pretty much there to make sure that ultimately the power remains with the people. These "minutemen" are patrolling the border, but they probably arent gonna shoot AT the mexicans crossing it illegally, theyll probably shoot NEAR them, detain them, and hand them over to an official or just scare them off so they dont try crossing the border.

Lockeownzj00 · 07-26-2005, 05:30 PM

Oh yeah--what a noble goal. Those damn Mexicans with their dreams of a better life! Push them down again, I say!

http://swarmtheminutemen.com/

Illuminatus · 07-26-2005, 05:42 PM

But locke, they steal jobs from noble, hardworking Americans...by,you know...using a job stealer...

We have groups like this in Texas, but they're not as vocal I suppose. I dunno. You get a lot of wacko's in border states.

Sky Warrior Bob · 07-26-2005, 09:56 PM

All I know is that I'd feel a whole lot safer if these Minutemen groups would establish a set of self-binding rules & regulations for themselves, which they must adhere too. I mean, as it stands, I'm pretty sure that most can see the danger of these people turning into nothing better than an angry lynch mob. I especially see the danger of them harassing people they assume are guilty, who are actually 100% legal.

I'm also damn glad that Vermont won't have anything to do with them, as its been in the paper that we've turned them away. Of course, the main thing we've got to worry about is those dang Canadians coming over here & spending the day shopping. The nerve!

SWK

Osterbaum · 07-27-2005, 04:00 AM

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All I know is that I'd feel a whole lot safer if these Minutemen groups would establish a set of self-binding rules & regulations for themselves

That would be a good thing. Because in a document I saw on TV once they seemed like they shoot first and ask questions later. Perhaps it would be better if they had regulations of some sort.

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I'm also damn glad that Vermont won't have anything to do with them, as its been in the paper that we've turned them away.

I assume Vermont is the governor of your state? Big Arnold however did even invite the minutemen to his state, as you no doubt know.

All this talk about the 2nd amendment is... Well I'm not sure what it is. But I do know that it seems like a god damn great thing to add to the constitution. But it doesen't really work as well in nature that it does in theory. People abuse it. I see it as a kind of useless add to the constitution, since people will rise in arms without a law allowing them to do so. Basically that amendment also allows for a coup d'etat or a similar thing. Like if some group desides to take over the congress, bursts in there with a gun and just tells everyone he is the new head of congress or what ever. Seems far fetched, but this did happen in Spain with one specific general. And in either way it was just an example.

But I have discussed the 2nd amendment too much. Feel free to correct me or to state your opinions about it, since I did too, but let's not take it too far with that topic for it is not the main topic.

I want to state that in Finland we have sort of a 'problem' with imigrants too. It is only a problem because some choose to call it that, but that doesen't matter now. All I wanted to state was that I do know the causes etc. for your imigrant 'problem' too. TO some extent atleast.

Jagos · 07-27-2005, 05:02 AM

Vermont IS a state...

And if these Minutemen decide to patrol by themselves and the government is already pulled down hunting copyright terrorists, I say let them. No tax dollars involved and so long as they don't kill anyone, why not work with the government in question?

-Edit- Surely the US govn. has more important things to focus on instead of the plight of people who migrate (DAILY) to avoid undrinkable water, unsanitary conditions, and cramped living conditions? /satire

Toastburner B · 07-27-2005, 09:54 AM

I did some research on this when it was happening. Guess what? No one got shot. In fact, according to this article, no one even fired a shot. In fact, the only injuries I can find being related to the Minuteman Project is the "Garden Grove Incident", were a group of protestors basically attacked a van at a meeting of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, at which the Minuteman founder was speaking.

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Originally Posted by Sky Warrior KC

All I know is that I'd feel a whole lot safer if these Minutemen groups would establish a set of self-binding rules & regulations for themselves, which they must adhere too.

Actually, they do, in fact. Check out this. They have a "no-contact" policy, except if the person is in need of medical attention. Heck, they gave the guy a bowl of ceral and $20 dollars, but were still asked to leave because of the T-shirt. In their training manual, subjects three and four on their "Stanard Operating Procedures" are:

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Originally Posted by Minuteman Training Manual

3. Minuteman Corps volunteers only observe, report and direct the Border Patrol to suspected illegal aliens or illegal activities.

4: Minuteman Corps volunteers do not verbally contact, physically gesture to or have any form of communication with suspected illegal aliens.

Look...the point is that they aren't doing anything illegal, otherwise they would of been busted wide open, and rightfully so. But as long as they honestly stick to their "SOP", I have no problem with them.

Osterbaum · 07-27-2005, 03:48 PM

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Vermont IS a state...

I've never heard of such a state, but I assume you are correct.

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No tax dollars involved and so long as they don't kill anyone, why not work with the government in question?

Better safe than sorry. To me they give the expression of being trigger happy wannabe Texas Rangers who shoot first and ask questions later.

Same argument to you Toastburner B. Who makes sure they follow their own rules even?

07-26-2005, 02:57 PM	#1
Osterbaum The revolution will be memed! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FIN Posts: 5,967	Minutemen I read in some local paper about how 700 hundred or so men from the Minuteman - organization patrolled the border between Arizona and Mexico by themselves, armed. I think this was on April. And then I read that they are gonna do it again in California, next month. And it occurred to me, that I would like to know more and have a discussion about this with you people. In no small part cause most of you know about this more than I, most likely. So what I was wondering as the first thing was: How the hell are they even allowed to do this? __________________ D is for Dirty Commie!

07-26-2005, 03:17 PM	#2
TheSpacePope Gigity Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lincoln. Nebraska Posts: 1,536	That would be our 2nd amendment. the right to be a drunken lunatic with a gun... oh wait...nevermind. They are allowed to arm themselves and form organized militia's. The reason they are doing this is to no doubt "Protect the border" from (we call them mexicans, but I think the proper term is Latin American) people that they do not want in the country. I don't think that they have any actual authority to take lives, maybe they can make arrests, however if they shoot someone they will be subject to the same laws that govern everyone else in the same situation. Unless of course they are in Texas, then they will be given a medal, taken to dinner, given ammunition, and told to liquidate mental health facilities. __________________ Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust

07-26-2005, 05:02 PM	#3
P-Sleazy Can Summon Sparkles by Posing! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kinging it up! Posts: 2,339	I dont know too much about this either but I do know that they are allowed to do this due to the 2nd Amendment which states that Citizens have a right to bear arms and form Militia's and are even responsible to form the militia if the government becomes rampant and power hunger and so on and so forth. Pretty much there to make sure that ultimately the power remains with the people. These "minutemen" are patrolling the border, but they probably arent gonna shoot AT the mexicans crossing it illegally, theyll probably shoot NEAR them, detain them, and hand them over to an official or just scare them off so they dont try crossing the border. __________________ The King is your new master now. Totally returning for the Summer: a mafia Game: Sign ups HERE!

07-26-2005, 05:42 PM	#5
Illuminatus The Dread Pirate Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the wild things are Posts: 1,310	But locke, they steal jobs from noble, hardworking Americans...by,you know...using a job stealer... We have groups like this in Texas, but they're not as vocal I suppose. I dunno. You get a lot of wacko's in border states. __________________ Man, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlook what he indubitably ought to be. His chief occupation is the extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity as to infest the whole habitable earth and Canada. -Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary

07-26-2005, 09:56 PM	#6
Sky Warrior Bob bOB iZ brOkeN Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a nice place to visit... Posts: 3,755	All I know is that I'd feel a whole lot safer if these Minutemen groups would establish a set of self-binding rules & regulations for themselves, which they must adhere too. I mean, as it stands, I'm pretty sure that most can see the danger of these people turning into nothing better than an angry lynch mob. I especially see the danger of them harassing people they assume are guilty, who are actually 100% legal. I'm also damn glad that Vermont won't have anything to do with them, as its been in the paper that we've turned them away. Of course, the main thing we've got to worry about is those dang Canadians coming over here & spending the day shopping. The nerve! SWK __________________ :bmage: Because breakdancing is evil, and so am I, you will click on this link: The power of evil compels you... You are in error. No one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation. Yes I know the breakdancing BM link doesn't work, and I don't care.

07-27-2005, 05:02 AM	#8
Jagos FRONT KICK OF DOOM! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Howdy pardner... Posts: 6,399	Vermont IS a state... And if these Minutemen decide to patrol by themselves and the government is already pulled down hunting copyright terrorists, I say let them. No tax dollars involved and so long as they don't kill anyone, why not work with the government in question? -Edit- Surely the US govn. has more important things to focus on instead of the plight of people who migrate (DAILY) to avoid undrinkable water, unsanitary conditions, and cramped living conditions? /satire Last edited by Jagos; 07-27-2005 at 06:42 PM.