01-04-2007, 10:40 AM | #1 | |
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Middle school, and education generally
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01-04-2007, 05:39 PM | #2 |
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Starting school later in the day can actually have great benefits. Since the target age group discussed is starting to go through puberty there's an associated shift of the circadian rhythm. Meaning they tend to fall asleep later and wake up later. Some sleep research
Speaking of the circadian rhythm, weekends are somewhat problematic. Creating a shift on Friday to stay up later and creating a second shift on Sunday to go to bed earlier is two shifts in two days and lowers quality of sleep significantly (and we wonder why we hate Mondays?) It is also important to note that some signs of sleep deprivation can mimic the symptoms of ADHD. Another sleep article Given that kids in this age range generally need about 9 hours of sleep per night it isn't surprising to notice the effects of losing out on even a couple hours worth of sleep.
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01-04-2007, 09:39 PM | #3 |
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What, exactly, are we TALKING about, here? Problems in middle schools?
Cause the middle school in my town hasn't had any problem like that. Only thing that's happened in the past five years is some self-described Wiccan said she was going to blow up the school. It was kinda funny.
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01-04-2007, 11:12 PM | #4 |
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No Child Left Behind is a ridiculous system, because the pressure that is supposed to be being put on the schools to raise scores is simply passed on to the students. Students are basically threatened with long, long hours of forced extracurricular tutoring. And then when you leave Middle School and go into High School, the fun really begins, because then the threat is withholdance of graduation. That's right. You just spent 11 years of your life taking classes, eh? Well guess what! It doesn't count for shit! You have to pass this test or you don't graduate!
Granted, the test really isn't THAT hard, but that's coming from my perspective. Most people think it's ridiculously difficult. Most teachers hate the system simply because school is about teaching for the tests now. Forget about earned credits or anything not on the test. Then again a lot of this could be avoided by not even bothering to MAKE people do well in school. I know plenty of jerkoffs who didn't deserve the sweat and toil teachers went through to make them do their work. Middle School, maybe, but once they hit High School, if they don't want to put the effort in don't make 'em. It'll only help our economy when they graduate with a terrible GPA, can't go to college, and go to work low class style. Don't even make 'em do the general track if they don't wanna, just let 'em fail. I have no sympathy for most of the people I went to school with. If they didn't apply themselves and are screwed now, they deserve it. |
01-05-2007, 04:34 AM | #5 | |
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I really have no idea what would make school systems just work better - I mean, I guess no one really does, becuase it always seems like something is just wrong.
However, I do know that middle school was an absolute nightmare for me a lot of other kids to an even worse extent. I understand how most of the teachers in 6-8 are morons becuase all the good ones get nicer positions at a high school or elementary school where the children aren't ruining everyone's lives... How once you become a target for the other kids, your whole world just goes to shit... I went to a middle school in a ghetto area we called 'the villa' and I am amazed that my self-esteem and sense of security was not completely shattered in those 3 years. Middle school is the worst of Elementary and High school combined.
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01-05-2007, 04:22 PM | #6 |
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I don't really think I have any true solution to 'fixing' the school systems, because the best way to 'hook kids onto school' is to have teachers who know what they're talking about and try to show the kid how something he's interested in has actual application with learning...
But then I remembered all the teachers I had to go through and remembered that not every teacher can do that for each individual student. It's interesting for me to look back and try to find out what exactly got me so interested in staying in school and going to college, because I'm coming up blank, and that's not exactly the thing you shouldn't just remember.
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Are you suggesting people just say "You just spent 11 years of your life taking classes! Here's your graduation certificate with no quality control whatsoever!"
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01-05-2007, 08:13 PM | #9 |
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I personally was pretty lucky in going to a middle school that was part of a k-8 program. Looking at the stories from people coming from the other junior highs, ours was way more controlled, a much better place to learn. However, when everyone moves onto the same high school, a lot of people are caught unawares by how different it is. There really is a difference between a k-8 school and a junior high, but its not always good.
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Firstly: With the testing in, as others have said, school is no longer about teaching classes. It's about teaching the graduation test. In other words, you learn very little that isn't on the test, and, half the time, instead of learning more material you're learning test tips and tricks which will only help you taking tests, which you never ever do outside of schooling (I had these tests). Secondly: Two words--Test Anxiety. Testing isn't an accurate way to measure whether someone has learned anything. Testing is, however, a good way of watching otherwise smart and studious people break under pressure and fuck up their lives because they got nervous. In the meantime the guy who doesn't know shit other than how to test (clues in the questions, stay calm, C is, statistically, the most common multiple choice when all else fails, don't second guess yourself, etc.) will pass easily. Thirdly: Any psychologist can tell you that there is no such thing as a good test. Tests never, ever, test your knowledge in a general area. They test your ability to take that test. This is why it's generally accepted that things like IQ tests and other standardized tests are only accurate in about 20-40% of cases, and why to get certain testings done you have to take about five tests and have the scores looked at and calculated through by trained professionals. Testing someone on what they learned in their entirity of highschool is obviously stupid if you take the time to learn anything about testing in general. The only time tests work is when it's something very specific (like how to do quadralateral equataions), but the more general you get (how to do algebra, or highschool math in general) the less viable the test results become. Oh, and shit, FOURTHLY: The amount of money going to schools is decided by their test scores. High-scoring schools will get more money. What does this mean? Well, ok, first, let's pretend for a minute that these test scores are actually an accurate portrayal of success, even though they aren't. What happens? The rich suburban white kid school where they have new books and proper teaching aides and small class sizes--all contributing to a good learning environment leading to good learning in general, gets even MORE money, despite the fact that it is currently doing well. How about that urban school over there where they don't have enough money to pay their teachers, are using ten year old books, are laying off staff, etc. etc.? Well, guess what, guys. You're fucking screwed. The government is going to continually send you LESS money because you can't get high test scores, which means that you will only get worse as time goes on. ALSO building on that, the money thing is the reason it causes the other problems (kids learning to take tests instead of math). Teachers need kids to pass this stupid damn test or they aren't going to have a paycheck next year, which motivates these teachers, particularily in the poor urban environments where teaching properly is hard enough in the first place, to teach students how to test. It's easier than trying to teach them calculus, and, honestly? As far as the test goes? More effective. Also, as to how they could make things better: Smaller class sizes. People have ALWAYS known that small class sizes increase teacher to student interaction, allow teachers to better control students (it's easier to shut ten kids up than twenty, and easier to shut twenty kids up than fourty, obviously), as well as allowing the teachers to tailor the teaching more specifically to the students in their class. Teachers always have to work from the LCD (lowest common denominator, for all you non-math people) within their class. In a class sizes of thirty to fourty, this is going to cause a huge discrepency between your LCD and your brightest student, or even the average of the class. What this means is that it's hard to keep the class interested and challenged, without leaving behind your LCD. With class sizes of ten to fifteen, the discrepency between LCD and everyone else is generally lower, and where it isn't, the LCD from each class can be moved around and put into a class with others of the same learning capability, and the same goes for the brightest. Think of an honors system, only with five tiers instead of two. And with higher tiers actually meaning something BESIDES more homework. Speaking of homework, that's another thing. You could custom tailor the amount of homework for the class. Some people need a lot of homework to grasp something, and this slows things down. Some people can grasp concepts without any homework. And, the majority, can grasp some concepts without any homework while with others they need to practice. With class sizes of ten to fifteen the teacher can decide on the fly whether a certain chapter actually requires homework and how much for that particular group of ten students. I mean, if only two guys need practice, the teacher could, with such a small class size, actually help those two herself without slowing down the rest of the class for them. Once you get into class sizes of thirty, it's not as easy to gauge who is getting it, nor is it plausible to tutor people who don't every time. In fact, in class sizes of thirty, because the lesson plan can't be as customized, you generally end up with over half the class needing to practice the material no matter what the material is. The only problem is that more teachers cost more money and the places that could benefit most from having more teachers don't have any money because no one sends money to underperforming schools, despite the fact that underperforming schools are where it is needed the most. ALSO: Teacher pay/morale. It's much easier to get up every morning excited about your job and wanting to help your students grow and prosper when you're getting paid well, have benefits, and have a good boss. I guess, I'm saying it's easier to be good and giving to others when you're in a good mood, which is, really, a no-brainer. However our school systems are currently underfunded for the number and pay of teachers we have now. Both of which is far below what it should be at. So... I guess what I'm saying is: Throw more damn money at the problem, but not in the form of dumbfuck extra programs, but rather in the form of teacher pay-raises, benefits, and hirings as well as new books, school supplies, and equipment. Also, fire or demote jack-offs in administration and replace them with people who care about the teachers and students.
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