Molyneux Apologizes for Fable!

KefkaTaran · 10-01-2004, 05:59 PM

http://allboards.lionhead.com/showthread.php?t=83152

Wow. That's all I can say. What do you guys think about this and what do you think are its implications for how devs should respond to community and critic complaints?

Zero · 10-01-2004, 07:04 PM

About That:
You put it correctly and aptly with, "Wow." I remember reading in another interview that he was still trying to implement new features during the end, but had to shut himself up due to the production staff, or "suits" complaining. I expect a Fable 2 (Not really "Fable 2" as the name, but something more...catchy) that he'll implement all the features that he wanted in it for a Next Gen system or PC, so he'll have more processor speed and what-not.

As for how Dev's should respond to community and critic complaints, I'm somewhat at a loss. I would imagine that they'd take in consideration what they'd say, and fix the problems for their next game. Before using the camera control was implemented in the latest Hurricane pack, I remember the head of Team Ninja (Itigaki? Bah can't remember his name..) stating that the Camera not being able to be controlled gave the game a more cinematic feeling. Of course, he changed that so people couldn't use it as an excuse when they died. For PC games however, there are always mod's and patches, while Console games look like they may go that route (hard drives + internet = patches), there still will be unfixable things.

KefkaTaran · 10-01-2004, 07:57 PM

Zero: I think you're write on the Gaiden director. I think.

Anyways, yeah. It's really interesting seeing devs start really RESPONDING to community concerns. I've always considered Polyneux a pretty great dev, but this increases my respect of him VERY much.

This is something that happens with him a lot though. He promises way more than ever makes it into the game and ends up adding the cut features (or at least some of them) in a sequel. See Black and White.

Jagos · 10-03-2004, 10:19 AM

Itagaki.

Look, I'm all for people wanting patches and stuff like that. But it's not for me. I want my game complete right out of the box. If not, I'll find time for games elsewhere. Which is why I'm prolly done in terms of newest game systems.

Lord The Night Knight · 10-03-2004, 02:47 PM

You see, this is why people rarely complain about Nintendo's delays. They only do that to make sure the games are good (that is, when they aren't rushing out so-so sequels to Mario Party or Pokemon).

I just hope more game developers take these words by (I think) Miyamoto into consideration: that a delayed game will eventually be good, but a bad game will be bad forever.

My Lead Airbag · 10-03-2004, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord The Night Knight

You see, this is why people rarely complain about Nintendo's delays. They only do that to make sure the games are good (that is, when they aren't rushing out so-so sequels to Mario Party or Pokemon).

I just hope more game developers take these words by (I think) Miyamoto into consideration: that a delayed game will eventually be good, but a bad game will be bad forever.

But, Moly adheres to that big time, since almost all his games are pushed back by at least a year, most over two. Problem now was he waited a few years and STILL missed some things.

beinsane · 10-03-2004, 04:36 PM

(obligatory) Now if only we could get Romero to apologize for Daikatana...

KefkaTaran · 10-03-2004, 05:55 PM

Beinsane: (agreeance)

My Lead Airbag: Like I said, though, this happens with Molyneux a lot. There's huge delays and they still end up having to cut out some or lots of the things he promised.

Lord The Night Knight · 10-03-2004, 08:12 PM

I didn't realize that. Maybe he has a problem of simply throwing every idea into the game and never plans ahead for how to do it. Maybe he should try to work for Nintendo to learn how to delay and make the game good.

10-03-2004, 09:43 PM

So you're saying Fable is not good?

BAD! BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Fable is good. It's just not as complex as we expected.

10-01-2004, 05:59 PM	#1
KefkaTaran Magikoopa Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,545	Molyneux Apologizes for Fable! http://allboards.lionhead.com/showthread.php?t=83152 Wow. That's all I can say. What do you guys think about this and what do you think are its implications for how devs should respond to community and critic complaints? __________________ So break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue.

10-01-2004, 07:04 PM	#2
Zero Back, But Gone Soon Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ocala, Florida Posts: 311	About That: You put it correctly and aptly with, "Wow." I remember reading in another interview that he was still trying to implement new features during the end, but had to shut himself up due to the production staff, or "suits" complaining. I expect a Fable 2 (Not really "Fable 2" as the name, but something more...catchy) that he'll implement all the features that he wanted in it for a Next Gen system or PC, so he'll have more processor speed and what-not. As for how Dev's should respond to community and critic complaints, I'm somewhat at a loss. I would imagine that they'd take in consideration what they'd say, and fix the problems for their next game. Before using the camera control was implemented in the latest Hurricane pack, I remember the head of Team Ninja (Itigaki? Bah can't remember his name..) stating that the Camera not being able to be controlled gave the game a more cinematic feeling. Of course, he changed that so people couldn't use it as an excuse when they died. For PC games however, there are always mod's and patches, while Console games look like they may go that route (hard drives + internet = patches), there still will be unfixable things. __________________ The toothpick holder. Ingeneous technology at its best.

10-01-2004, 07:57 PM	#3
KefkaTaran Magikoopa Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,545	Zero: I think you're write on the Gaiden director. I think. Anyways, yeah. It's really interesting seeing devs start really RESPONDING to community concerns. I've always considered Polyneux a pretty great dev, but this increases my respect of him VERY much. This is something that happens with him a lot though. He promises way more than ever makes it into the game and ends up adding the cut features (or at least some of them) in a sequel. See Black and White. __________________ So break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue.

10-03-2004, 02:47 PM	#5
Lord The Night Knight Troopa Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34	You see, this is why people rarely complain about Nintendo's delays. They only do that to make sure the games are good (that is, when they aren't rushing out so-so sequels to Mario Party or Pokemon). I just hope more game developers take these words by (I think) Miyamoto into consideration: that a delayed game will eventually be good, but a bad game will be bad forever. __________________ I am Lord The Night Knight! All must bow before me... or at least wave once in a while! Death by Chibi

10-03-2004, 04:36 PM	#7
beinsane Prinny, dood! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 47	(obligatory) Now if only we could get Romero to apologize for Daikatana... __________________ You gotta put down the duckie if you wanna play the saxophone.

10-03-2004, 10:19 AM	#4
Jagos FRONT KICK OF DOOM! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Howdy pardner... Posts: 6,399	Itagaki. Look, I'm all for people wanting patches and stuff like that. But it's not for me. I want my game complete right out of the box. If not, I'll find time for games elsewhere. Which is why I'm prolly done in terms of newest game systems.

10-03-2004, 05:55 PM	#8
KefkaTaran Magikoopa Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,545	Beinsane: (agreeance) My Lead Airbag: Like I said, though, this happens with Molyneux a lot. There's huge delays and they still end up having to cut out some or lots of the things he promised. __________________ So break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue.

10-03-2004, 08:12 PM	#9
Lord The Night Knight Troopa Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34	I didn't realize that. Maybe he has a problem of simply throwing every idea into the game and never plans ahead for how to do it. Maybe he should try to work for Nintendo to learn how to delay and make the game good. __________________ I am Lord The Night Knight! All must bow before me... or at least wave once in a while! Death by Chibi

10-03-2004, 09:43 PM	#10
Cyclone231 Guest Posts: n/a	So you're saying Fable is not good? BAD! BAD! BAD BAD BAD! Fable is good. It's just not as complex as we expected.