Boycott Atlus

[Satan's Onion]

Originally Posted by Pip Boy

I have to say that the degree of sensationalism I'm seeing in this effort makes me take it with a grain of salt. There isn't a whole lot in all this that makes me feel I have any reason to dislike Atlus except to take your word for it that they're dicks. Maybe you could post more of the actual offending content rather than just describing it while showing other, unrelated content? I'm also curious about the two drawings of the girl on the cover, since one of them really is a lot more revealing even outside of the parts covered by the title lettering. Could you perhaps demonstrate where in the game that second image appears?

Liz has mentioned--just a few posts before yours in fact--that she's doing exactly that.

Originally Posted by Liz

I made the tumblr a few days ago and am spacing out updates so that 1. It keeps showing up again and again and again in the Atlus tag on Tumblr and 2. It takes a bit to gather shit.

Originally Posted by Pip Boy

You might also take more care to be respectful in your responses, Liz. If someone isn't quite convinced of your point, you'll get a lot farther by providing them with more evidence and building your case rather than shouting about derailing and entitlement. Such accusations make you seem immature and damage any case you're making accordingly.

I for one think she's actually been fairly patient in this thread--particularly compared to some of her past problems. I'm certainly not seeing any "shouting about entitlement". She has pointed out some derailment, but pointing out "hey, that argument has been trotted out a thousand times before and it's not germane to the argument/nitpicking/nonsense" is not the same as shouting.

Originally Posted by Pip Boy

I also share some in the sentiment that I don't think Atlus is an appropriate target for this campaign. If you're really so mad about this and want to put a stop to it, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to go after the developers of the offending content instead of the publishers. I feel like attacking Atlus just sends the wrong message.

Again, Liz has detailed in this very thread her several reasons why she chose to target Atlus in particular. To wit:

Originally Posted by Liz

@Bells: Because boycotts work best when they are focused on individual companies, and because making an example of a company helps show other companies that they can't keep doing a thing for long before they're the next target. ...

Originally Posted by Krylo

Also, I'd assume, because, to the best of my knowledge, Capcom/Squeenix/Other Examples have never claimed to be tackling matters of sexuality and whatnot maturely while Atlus has. Which makes them a good example.

Originally Posted by Liz

Yeah. Atlus also gets a lot of cred from allies for being progressive, but it fucks up a LOT.

Originally Posted by Pip Boy

... There is another side to this argument, however, which is that these games are developed in another culture where this kind of thing is not looked upon as seriously as it is here. While Im not saying that this makes the issue completely dismissable, it is worth considering that there are much worse offenders out there compared to whom Atlus doesn't look all that bad. ...

That it came from another culture where people are generally more dismissive of the rights of trans folks doesn't make it less dismissive of trans folks, and it certainly doesn't make it any more acceptable to let it continue without comment or consequences.

To summarize: Pip Boy, in this post you come off an awful lot like you didn't actually bother to read the thread before opining at some length about what Liz should or shouldn't do. Next time you want to debate someone's argument, it would be best for you if you read that argument much more closely.