Boycott Atlus

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Jagos

His example had more information. You tend to stop at "transphobia sucks because society sucks" without a strong explanation in that regard. I saw SS' Naoto Youtube and couldn't figure out the rest which is where PCD came in.

Man, I'm getting sick and fucking tired of the whole "Liz made some mistakes in the past (or whatever you want to call it), therefore I'm going to be an irreconcilable hardass around Liz regarding every single argument s/he makes."

It's utterly strange insofar as Liz hasn't really said anything whatsoever that's any harsher than what Pocheros, I, Marc, PCD, Cabal, and like five other users present here have been typing, yet several of you seem hellbent on explicitly including completely unnecessary snide little remarks about Liz's so-called 'agenda' and how horrible a debater s/he is and how gosh-darned mean s/he is, etc.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, insofar as the more Liz has to put up with that shit, the more likely s/he is going to go off and (rightfully) explode, because s/he's made the same damn argument respectfully fifty trillion times and for some reason none of you are actually bothering to read it.

Not only that, but the more it happens the more I wonder whether this is actually being used as some sort of a derailing strategy by opponents. Oh hey, Liz and a bunch of NPFers are absolutely trashing your fatally flawed, prejudiced argument with logic.
How to escape the situation with your precious reputation intact?
Well, if you blast Liz with ad hominem shit, deliberately ignore Liz's logical points and concentrate only on assumptions regarding past reputation and present intentions, and deliberately aggravate Liz to a boiling point, you can escape and Liz will be the be one throttled by the Mods!!! Perfect!!!

I'm not saying like, every person who's questioned Liz in this thread necessarily has these nefarious intentions, but when you see the same pattern several straight times, it at least becomes a legitimate question regarding one's intentions. Even on a subconscious level, I do suspect some of you are ignoring the logic in Liz's posts and concentrating on past behavior because it's just so much easier to derail than it is to do the prerequisite fifteen minutes of research.

And if you're so impervious to rational arguments that your only recourse is to attack the presumed 'reputation' of the person advancing the argument with shit like "Oh, it's Liz's modus operandi, s/he's known for getting too angry about this bullshit," then your subsequent responses are basically flamebait. You're not positively engaging in discourse; you're just seeing how long you can revel in your blissful ignorance before Liz and friends explode -- and then gleefully hoping that they're the ones who catch the flak from the Mod Squad the moment said explosions happen.