science is a word I like. - Page 4

Sithdarth · 07-13-2006, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Meister

Meister also has been known to sit at the computer in the evenings, which is when he has time, for as long as two to three hours at a time, pretty much doing nothing but refreshing the forums to see if there's anything new. Tell you what, I'll ask everyone to post religious viewpoints only during that time.

Wow someone else does it and here I thought I was the only one. Except replace evenings with any time I'm awake and 2-3 hours with 12-16. Yeah I so have no life.

Dj_StarChild · 07-13-2006, 10:57 AM

pictish, volunteering to take on a responsibility generally means that people expect you to fulfill that responsibility, regardless of whether or not you have something else that you are responsible for doing. The reason for having more than one mod is so that they can cover this responsibility, and still have time for hobbies and commitments, and everything else that normal people do.

Fine, it's not a job. Let's do it this way:
You don't ask someone to volunteer to do a job, and say 'oh, it's okay if you never help out. I'm sure the fact that you volunteered will be enough for the job to get done. Don't bother helping out.' (the mods are often quite helpful, but I'm providing an example)

No one is asking anyone to BAN people at the drop of a hat, let alone PERMA-ban anyone ever. A warning or reprimand is all it would take.

Again, all this is beside the point. I'm not trying to criticise the mods, I'm trying to ask that they do their modding in a different way that I think would be more effective.

WanderingActor · 07-13-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dj_StarChild

. I'm not trying to criticise the mods, I'm trying to ask that they do their modding in a different way that I think would be more effective.

I could not possibly think of any way the mods could be more effective.
There have been many times where I've caught someone doing something 'naughty' on the forum and have reported it to Krylo or Meister (they're the only ones worth a damn:p ) and then problem solved.

They do their job well, and even if they miss something, it's no big deal if a normal user reports it to a mod. I think the system is fine the way it is.

Except that Krylo is just an asshole sometimes:stressed:

pictish · 07-13-2006, 11:55 AM

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Fine, it's not a job. Let's do it this way:
You don't ask someone to volunteer to do a job, and say 'oh, it's okay if you never help out. I'm sure the fact that you volunteered will be enough for the job to get done. Don't bother helping out.' (the mods are often quite helpful, but I'm providing an example)

In your example: Person is a volunteer. Never helps out.

In reality: Mods are volunteers. They help out enough to keep the forum as brimming with activity yet stable as it is.

So, in what way is your example even vaguely useful? You even acknowledge your example and reality aren't linked closely.

I don't see why you're even trying to argue this anymore. You acknowledge they're volunteers, yet expect them to change how things are with a massive effort to correct an insignificant problem of threads being derailed then shut a little later, rather than them being derailed then immediately shut (or banning on sight. Fun.)

P-Sleazy · 07-13-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dj_StarChild

pictish, volunteering to take on a responsibility generally means that people expect you to fulfill that responsibility, regardless of whether or not you have something else that you are responsible for doing. The reason for having more than one mod is so that they can cover this responsibility, and still have time for hobbies and commitments, and everything else that normal people do.

Fine, it's not a job. Let's do it this way:
You don't ask someone to volunteer to do a job, and say 'oh, it's okay if you never help out. I'm sure the fact that you volunteered will be enough for the job to get done. Don't bother helping out.' (the mods are often quite helpful, but I'm providing an example

Thing is, I don't think they asked to be mods. I think someone else asked them to mod the forums.

Mirai Gen · 07-13-2006, 01:18 PM

I think the main reason I haven't posted in this yet, is because each time a counter-point was made, like three people jumped him.

DJ, the mods are doing perfectly fine with their job right now. I don't see why it is you need to tell them how to do their job. Especially since these boards have been operating with the same mods (With the exception of Rai elevating past mod of RP, and Krylo and CroDev being bumped to Mod) since long before your time. I can understand your frustration on the Big Bang thing, but you have to realize religious discussion - and anything that becomes close to religious discussion - ends up with someone not wanting to question themselves to the extent that the other person wants to.

It just ends badly.

About the Big Bang topic, too - You do realize how fast those posts were being made, right? I don't think Krylo had a chance to step in, because it all happened within like a single day.

Also, on that note; Where are all of the mods, anyway? I've pretty much just seen Krylo and occasionally Mash. Shiney and Rai vanish on us? Where's CroDev? Last I saw from him he temp-banned Locke.

TheSpacePope · 07-13-2006, 01:38 PM

The greater question,
where is locke himself.

I miss you lover.

Meister · 07-13-2006, 01:46 PM

That would be Japan.

Dj_StarChild · 07-13-2006, 02:11 PM

Well, since mirai gen is the only one who'se posted anything remotely close to the issue I've been trying to draw attention to in the first place, I suppose that's where I'll begin.
(I'll awlays love you, so hard...every night...with a handlebar.)

Do you know WHY 3 people jump me (with posts countering minor elements of the original issue, but not the issue itself)? One-word answer: sheep.

Anyhoo, back on track: I'm not trying to TELL them how to do their job, I'm trying to suggest a way that I think it should be done. Now, expressing an opinion on the way a thing should be done is obviously being seen by everyone else here as telling them how to do their jobs. If I were telling them how to do their jobs, I'd be issuing commands and demands, and you wouldn't see the words "should" "could" or "would" in my posts. they're in there, though.

now, I agree that the mods are doing a lovely job on their own, with the OTHER forums. In fact, the forums here almost police themselves, with a few rare exceptions. (whoooo are the braaain poliiiice?) They must police themselves, the way five people jump out and go OMG RULES everytime someone makes a misstep, rather than contributing to a conversation, or just going away. Or the way 5 people jump out and go "Don't change my fragile way of life, starky! I just can't take it!" when I make posts like this.

BUT, the discussion forum, which is probably the place one would expect there to be the most modding, is policed almost entirely by krylo, at the moment, who can ALMOST handle it by himself.

Again, my issue is not with the fact that religious discussions get threads closed, but that religious discussion occurs at all.
It wasn't my idea to punish people for making religious arguments, but logically following from the responses opf pictish, and others early on in this thread, it seems that in order to keep people from making religious arguments, when religious arguments in general are against the rules of the discussion forum, it is necessary to take action by warning them. According to Pictish, they just can't control themselves enough to keep from posting.

I realize that sometimes, posts are being made within seconds of eachother in these threads, and that this makes it hard to keep track of them.
my point is that posts of the nature I am describing should not be made, according to the rules already in place. Again, we are simply dancing around the issue, which is, that despite the fact that in the rules, brian clearly states that there is to be no religious discussion of any kind at all in the discussion forum, it still goes on.

My issue (which everyone seems to be ignoring) is that I would like to be able to make posts in discussions about scientific issues or theories, and threads are closed (sometimes BEFORE any religious arguments are even suggested) when I think that rather than closing a potentially fruitful thread, we should be reprimanding those who are inhibiting the ability of that thread to meet that potential by breaking the rules. Now, krylo was whining, because he sees no point in warning or banning five people who can't seem to keep from going "OMG ATHEISM" or "OMG THEISM." I say, you warn them, they'll shut up, and maybe next time, the problem won't recur.

finally: Where ARE all the mods? Maybe we need some new ones. (Not me, obviously. Apparently mods have to be likeable.)

Meister · 07-13-2006, 02:34 PM

Look, I think your arguments would hold a lot more weight without you labelling everyone who disagrees with you as "sheep." I'm also not sure whether you really think we have a dictatorship of moderators here or if you just figure we're too afraid to prove such claims true, be it in your or anyone else's eyes, to tell you to "shut up and let the mods do their job" as it were.

But, and please don't skim over this, you do have some good points which call for discussion among the administration. Sorry for not being clearer. Ignorance is strength and all that.

07-13-2006, 10:57 AM	#32
Dj_StarChild Monty Mole Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 791	pictish, volunteering to take on a responsibility generally means that people expect you to fulfill that responsibility, regardless of whether or not you have something else that you are responsible for doing. The reason for having more than one mod is so that they can cover this responsibility, and still have time for hobbies and commitments, and everything else that normal people do. Fine, it's not a job. Let's do it this way: You don't ask someone to volunteer to do a job, and say 'oh, it's okay if you never help out. I'm sure the fact that you volunteered will be enough for the job to get done. Don't bother helping out.' (the mods are often quite helpful, but I'm providing an example) No one is asking anyone to BAN people at the drop of a hat, let alone PERMA-ban anyone ever. A warning or reprimand is all it would take. Again, all this is beside the point. I'm not trying to criticise the mods, I'm trying to ask that they do their modding in a different way that I think would be more effective. __________________ Eat poo, guys.

07-13-2006, 01:18 PM	#36
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	I think the main reason I haven't posted in this yet, is because each time a counter-point was made, like three people jumped him. DJ, the mods are doing perfectly fine with their job right now. I don't see why it is you need to tell them how to do their job. Especially since these boards have been operating with the same mods (With the exception of Rai elevating past mod of RP, and Krylo and CroDev being bumped to Mod) since long before your time. I can understand your frustration on the Big Bang thing, but you have to realize religious discussion - and anything that becomes close to religious discussion - ends up with someone not wanting to question themselves to the extent that the other person wants to. It just ends badly. About the Big Bang topic, too - You do realize how fast those posts were being made, right? I don't think Krylo had a chance to step in, because it all happened within like a single day. Also, on that note; Where are all of the mods, anyway? I've pretty much just seen Krylo and occasionally Mash. Shiney and Rai vanish on us? Where's CroDev? Last I saw from him he temp-banned Locke. __________________

07-13-2006, 01:38 PM	#37
TheSpacePope Gigity Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lincoln. Nebraska Posts: 1,536	The greater question, where is locke himself. I miss you lover. __________________ Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust

07-13-2006, 02:11 PM	#39
Dj_StarChild Monty Mole Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 791	Well, since mirai gen is the only one who'se posted anything remotely close to the issue I've been trying to draw attention to in the first place, I suppose that's where I'll begin. (I'll awlays love you, so hard...every night...with a handlebar.) Do you know WHY 3 people jump me (with posts countering minor elements of the original issue, but not the issue itself)? One-word answer: sheep. Anyhoo, back on track: I'm not trying to TELL them how to do their job, I'm trying to suggest a way that I think it should be done. Now, expressing an opinion on the way a thing should be done is obviously being seen by everyone else here as telling them how to do their jobs. If I were telling them how to do their jobs, I'd be issuing commands and demands, and you wouldn't see the words "should" "could" or "would" in my posts. they're in there, though. now, I agree that the mods are doing a lovely job on their own, with the OTHER forums. In fact, the forums here almost police themselves, with a few rare exceptions. (whoooo are the braaain poliiiice?) They must police themselves, the way five people jump out and go OMG RULES everytime someone makes a misstep, rather than contributing to a conversation, or just going away. Or the way 5 people jump out and go "Don't change my fragile way of life, starky! I just can't take it!" when I make posts like this. BUT, the discussion forum, which is probably the place one would expect there to be the most modding, is policed almost entirely by krylo, at the moment, who can ALMOST handle it by himself. Again, my issue is not with the fact that religious discussions get threads closed, but that religious discussion occurs at all. It wasn't my idea to punish people for making religious arguments, but logically following from the responses opf pictish, and others early on in this thread, it seems that in order to keep people from making religious arguments, when religious arguments in general are against the rules of the discussion forum, it is necessary to take action by warning them. According to Pictish, they just can't control themselves enough to keep from posting. I realize that sometimes, posts are being made within seconds of eachother in these threads, and that this makes it hard to keep track of them. my point is that posts of the nature I am describing should not be made, according to the rules already in place. Again, we are simply dancing around the issue, which is, that despite the fact that in the rules, brian clearly states that there is to be no religious discussion of any kind at all in the discussion forum, it still goes on. My issue (which everyone seems to be ignoring) is that I would like to be able to make posts in discussions about scientific issues or theories, and threads are closed (sometimes BEFORE any religious arguments are even suggested) when I think that rather than closing a potentially fruitful thread, we should be reprimanding those who are inhibiting the ability of that thread to meet that potential by breaking the rules. Now, krylo was whining, because he sees no point in warning or banning five people who can't seem to keep from going "OMG ATHEISM" or "OMG THEISM." I say, you warn them, they'll shut up, and maybe next time, the problem won't recur. finally: Where ARE all the mods? Maybe we need some new ones. (Not me, obviously. Apparently mods have to be likeable.) __________________ Eat poo, guys. Last edited by Dj_StarChild; 07-13-2006 at 02:13 PM.

07-13-2006, 01:46 PM	#38
Meister Pure joy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 10,689	That would be Japan.

07-13-2006, 02:34 PM	#40
Meister Pure joy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 10,689	Look, I think your arguments would hold a lot more weight without you labelling everyone who disagrees with you as "sheep." I'm also not sure whether you really think we have a dictatorship of moderators here or if you just figure we're too afraid to prove such claims true, be it in your or anyone else's eyes, to tell you to "shut up and let the mods do their job" as it were. But, and please don't skim over this, you do have some good points which call for discussion among the administration. Sorry for not being clearer. Ignorance is strength and all that.