Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[Ole' Dude With the Face]

Originally Posted by Me in post 77

You deserve to be voted for just for suggesting that.

Unvote
Vote: Masked Jedi

But yeah, thats neither here or there.

As for Sithdarth's posts, the first time I skimmed through them, paid very little attention, then went on as usual. As the debate about his math started, I went back and read through them, that way I knew what the hell we were talking about, at least to some degree.

And for trusting Sithdarth, I don't. His whole list could be contrived from people he knows is not his alignment, keeping his potential teammates off the chopping block. Or there is the logic that Newb came up with back here:

Originally Posted by Newb

Any time somebody in mafia presents a list of people "one of which is a mafiate, I dont know which" there is an 87% chance that they are themselves a mafiate who is trying to buy time by saying "well it must be the next guy". You mentioned 27 because your original math included that number, but you glossed over 27 as soon as you could. It therefor follows, in my mind, that Cephrir, number 27, is aligned with you.

So, there is two possible ways that he could use his math to his advantage. But, for now, I find the case against BHS more compelling. Am I going to believe anything Sithdarth says? No. Will I look to see if it makes some sense and can potentially helpful? Yes.

Edit: It should be noted that I feel that way (bolded) about everyone in Mafia games. Not just Sithdarth.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

stuff about not trusting SithDarth's math

Gee that isn't too surprising seeing as he's VOTING TO KILL YOU. XD

[Ole' Dude With the Face]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Gee that isn't too surprising seeing as he's VOTING TO KILL YOU.

Actually, he isn't voting for me any longer. At least last that I checked. His math indeed does point the finger at me, so therefore it is my job to discredit it. Thats how mafia works.

Honestly, if it would have pointed the finger at anyone else I would have paid it much less attention. But, it doesn't.

Edit: Here is where he unvoted me.

Originally Posted by Sithdarth post #90

In fact, UNVOTE: ODWTF since its better to just wait and see what the night brings in regards to information.

[IHateMakingNames]

Look, I am posting.

Vote: Ecurt

Why?

Mystery.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

There is a good point that Sithdarth's math only works if we assume he picked randomly.
If he was mafia and purposefully choose people not in his mafia then we owuld be in trouble.
But there are 3 mafia so we would still be working towards the other mafia! Huzzah!

And I did actually read his math and it checks out. I didn't actually calculate it but the theory is fine and the numbers looked about right.
The important thing about it is it all essentially random today but will provide us valuable information days 2 and 3, which is more than a random vote not will provide.

[Sithdarth]

The math accidently didn't point to anyone at all. I just set it up made sure it worked and then randomly picked someone for the hell of it; more or less.

Am I going to believe anything Sithdarth says? No. Will I look to see if it makes some sense and can potentially helpful? Yes.

This is as it should be and why I urge anyone that likes the math to use the process on their own.

Also, remember this is probability and as such there is never a guarantee in that its all about percentages and possibilities. As such the math is simply a last resort when I have no other way to decide on who to vote for. I'd much rather go by actions and reactions in the thread.

Oh and again now that I've lain out why it works anyone is free to use the system by themselves if they want. Its merely a matter of using a random number generator to pick three people and then using whatever information you have available to eliminate two of them as being mafiates. That removes any bias I might have so all you have to worry about is your bias should you have any.

[russianreversal]

Originally Posted by neyo the king

Also, quick side question, then I vote we drop the whole "Sith knows math" topic:

Who here actually read all of Sith's mathy posts?

Show of hands?

Oh, wait, never mind. But anyway, I don't want this to turn into two big warring factions of people vs math and people vs BHS, so I'm going to:

UNVOTE: ODWTF and VOTE: BHS

I mean, the sooner we get him out, the sooner we can stop trying to kill math. It doesn't work. That tricky math bastard always has an ace up his sleeve.

[Ryanderman]

Ok, I just now realized this game was going. Shows how smart I am. But upon reading through the posts, my first reaction to hearing that Sith has a mathmatical system to find mafiates was one of "lynch him now!" Math never works to "find" mafiates. And anyone who tries to sell a formula is generally mafia themselves, trying to throw up a distraction.

But then I read what Sith's idea actually was, and it makes some sense to me. I know this doesn't add anything much to the discussion. Sorry about that.

[P-Sleazy]

Its okay Ryan. I'm ignoring my exams!

I'm a GOOD student! :p

[russianreversal]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

Its okay Ryan. I'm ignoring my exams!

I'm a GOOD student! :p

Likewise. You jerks have robbed me of countless hours that could be spent passing classes, and for that I thank you.

EDIT: Nikose, play today, procrastinate tomorrow. That's my motto.