Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game - Page 109

bananarama · 01-21-2008, 02:45 AM

Yeeeaaaaah... as much as I would love to lynch Tend (/sarcasm), I'm afraid I'm gonna have to give a rain check on that. The last thing we need to do is reenact an Aesop's Fable If we have any POs left who would want to investigate Tend to make sure he is what he claims to be and let us know that would be great...

So here's what I have so far:
1)Tend may or may not be stealing evidence and preventing us from seeing the roles of victims of night kills. I'm uneasy about that idea and I'll refrain from jumping on him until somebody presents some more concrete evidence...
2) There's apparently a second Mason group made up of Ryan, Secretskull, and Axl and what Ryan claims to be "many others". But Secretskull is supposedly having a bit of a dispute with the other two. Most interesting indeed....
3) Wasn't Zilla a suspect? Regardless of the fact that What happened now? I guess she's wearing her Cloak of +5 Invisibility...
4) Zavage, a guy (or girl?) who hasn't posted here very much to my knowledge, suddenly comes out and says he's a Watcher. I'm not suspecting him (or her?) of anything just know because I'd like to know: why now? why have you been waiting for a few days for this big reveal? You do realize that on one night you had evidence that would have helped out Newb, right? I don't know about you, but it'd be a great idea to me if you had roleclaimed then and at least, try to prevent us from wasting that lynch...
5) Roy is now a suspect because of Zavage's info, but I'm uncertain about that too until Zavage answers my question...

So, barring items 1, 4, and 5 due to uncertainty, we have possibilities 2 and 3 left. Zilla is still shaky though because those bad votes and scarce posting could be due to the fact that she's new at this (I'm trying to defend her; I'm just saying that could be a reason and we know how well it worked when we killed suspicious newbies... poor RR

). So that leaves 2 which in my opinion is the most suspicious one. We have Axl who roleblocked a PO and is announcing a roleblock on OR for having suspicions about him, Ryan who is just plain suspicious in his voting and suddenly claims to have some SOOPR SEKRET POWRZ, and Secretskull who outright attacks people who claim to be in the group as him... Dammit! Too many suspects! Well since it's best to uncover whether or not this is a masonry, I'm gonna choose the one who has been suspicious the longest

Vote: Ryanderman

EDIT: Oops, Ryan said the Mason contains "a few others" not "many others"... not that that makes much of a difference of course...

wasoe · 01-21-2008, 02:45 AM

I think I'm going to FoS: OctoberRaven
until I can clarify whether he officially roleclaimed the town-aligned inventor way back when.

If memory serves me right, he didn't do so. That would mean he could be culted or scum and we've just been accepting his 'inventor' status.

Even if he did roleclaim Inventor, he could still have been culted between then and now.

EDIT:
I found it:

Quote:

Originally Posted by OctoberRaven on day 4

Now, as to me being an 'incompetant', 'insane' or whatever... as I am not a cop, but an inventor, and so far this is the only thing that's actually been proven to have gone awry with my abilities, I tend to be a bit skeptical about that.

I think I'd like for October to roleclaim again, just to make sure.

OctoberRaven · 01-21-2008, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasoe

I think I'm going to FoS: OctoberRaven
until I can clarify whether he officially roleclaimed the town-aligned inventor way back when.

If memory serves me right, he didn't do so. That would mean he could be culted or scum and we've just been accepting his 'inventor' status.

Even if he did roleclaim Inventor, he could still have been culted between then and now.

A quick search would show you that I did. Day 3 I believe.

EDIT- Don't know how this will change anything, but okay.

[B ]ROLECLAIM: MR. T, PityDaFool Cult Leader[/B]

Oh shi- just kidding. Sorry, couldn't resist.

SERIOUS ROLECLAIM: Still Inventor, Still Town-Aligned.

wasoe · 01-21-2008, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OctoberRaven

Well, among other things, I can investigate and kill. I can only do each a limited amount of times.

I would tell you everything but what the scum doesn't know can hurt them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OctoberRaven

Major FOS: Wasoe. Didn't I say I didn't want scum to know the full extent of my abilities several times? Why are you asking now? That doesn't sit well with me.

First October says that "what the scum doesn't know can hurt them." Why, then, didn't you reveal them, since they would hurt the scum? Then you turn on that and say you didn't want scum to know the full extent of your abilities.
So, basically, you've just said you don't want to do something to hurt the scum.

OctoberRaven · 01-21-2008, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasoe

First October says that "what the scum doesn't know can hurt them." Why, then, didn't you reveal them, since they would hurt the scum? Then you turn on that and say you didn't want scum to know the full extent of your abilities.
So, basically, you've just said you don't want to do something to hurt the scum.

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

Hold on a second, you are REALLY twisting my words around here.

By "Revealing" them I obviously meant talking about them in this room. Why would not telling scum all my powers hurt them until I actually used them? Because, of course, I didn't want them to think about me roleblocking them, or protecting someone they might be after, until I already did it.

THAT is what I meant. "What they don't know can hurt them" means "I got this, I'm not telling what it is because then it'll be more effective".

You know what? My new theory now is that Ape Boy, Ryander, and Wasoe are all cult (maybe Axl too?) and are attacking me because...

...I have no fucking idea. Maybe Silly Kitty got cult targeted N2 and since I killed her, I must die?

The fact that there's no actual motive is the ONLY reason I'm not 100% on this, but the fact that you have brought my roleclaim up TWICE in a row, for seemingly no reason...

Unvote: Ryanderman
Vote: Wasoe

IGMEOY: Ape Boy, Ryander, and to a lesser extent Axl

Edit- Maybe not the SK theory, because Tendronai didn't say anything about her being cult. Maybe they tried it N1, and think I protected her? Just throwing that out there.

Captain Combustible · 01-21-2008, 03:26 AM

Wasoe was also on newb's list (although newbs list isn't 100% accurate) and has been acting kind of weird all game. I would wait to hear from SS before I can say anything about Ryanderman since SS has yet to respond to Ryanderman. Also I agree with Tend that moogle targeting Sithdark night one and their is a good chance he is the cult leader. I would actually prefer a moogle lynch since we need the Cult leaders to die.

OctoberRaven · 01-21-2008, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Combustible

Wasoe was also on newb's list (although newbs list isn't 100% accurate) and has been acting kind of weird all game. I would wait to hear from SS before I can say anything about Ryanderman since SS has yet to respond to Ryanderman. Also I agree with Tend that moogle targeting Sithdark night one and their is a good chance he is the cult leader. I would actually prefer a moogle lynch since we need the Cult leaders to die.

Hm. Interesting.

I'm actually half-tempted to go ahead and push for a lynch on myself, to confirm for once and for all that I am in fact what I claim to be.

There are only two reasons that I don't feel this is a good idea:

1) Scum will use that oppurtunity to clear their own names by helping town.
2) I still have powers left.

I wonder what people think of this idea. Especially Pink Bunny, as he's the only 100% proven town we have, and therefore is the only person we can truly trust.

REMEMBER: I can get night killed or culted tonight, and you'll never know the truth. This can be town's only shot at proving I'm town.

ALSO REMEMBER: Just because this can hurt scum doesn't mean scum won't get on the wagon so they can later say 'hey, we went along with this, we can't be scum!'. I know I said this, but it needs to be repeated, because I bet you scum will consider it.

Pink Bunny · 01-21-2008, 04:40 AM

Personally I don't believe for even a second that you're Town. Now, I'm not going to say you were never town, I can't confirm that, but I can't believe for even a moment that you aren't Culted. You've claimed your role for awhile. You said you were a PO, and a Killer, and a BG, and from what you've said prior, it sounds as if you had two PO charges, two kill Charges, and (???) BG charges, although I'm willing to believe you have two there since you spent one on Tendronai.

At the very least Zavage confirmed you targeted Tendronai, and he's still alive, so its believable. With that said, the only other possible thing I can think you'd have is 1 more BG charge and maybe 2 roleblocks if this inventor schitck is following that pattern of ability spread.

That said, you've been a very useful utility tool for Town, and to public claim like that and still be alive to now...? I don't see it.

Hell, before I was _vaguely_ town with no real established power set and you saw for yourself; I had three people attempt to kill me back to back. You actually have powers that you're supposedly pro-actively helping town with, and they aren't killing you?

Eh... If you're cult like I think you are, you're protecting Tendronai, who I think is also cult. But neither of you are leaders, I doubt a leader would get as many abilities as you, so its unimportant to go for you right now with so many people left. That's enough time for POs to do their job to confirm you.

... I'd rather lynch Roy or Ryan for their Tendronai targeting. I'm more interested in Ryan than Roy. If Roy is telling the truth about not leaving his home, then maybe he has some kind of self-power and that mafia re-router that got B_Real killed by targeting me might have pointed Roy Tend's way.

OctoberRaven · 01-21-2008, 04:50 AM

...That's all I needed to hear.

Unvote: Wasoe
Vote: OctoberRaven

Go, go, go.

Edit- Before you ask, no, I don't have some crazy Jester stipulation. If I do, I sure as hell don't know about it. But Pink Bunny raised a VERY good point in that I should have been killed ages ago.

And for the record, I have one kill, one roleblock, one protect.

EDIT AGAIN- Remember town, this can be your ONLY chance to 100% verify that I am town. If you don't take this, and I die or I am culted...

LAST EDIT- You're welcome, Town.

Pink Bunny · 01-21-2008, 04:57 AM

Unless you have something that stops a lynch and confirms you, isn't that a bit rash since there are noticeably scummy people still about?

01-21-2008, 02:45 AM	#1081
bananarama Old Gregg Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,189	Yeeeaaaaah... as much as I would love to lynch Tend (/sarcasm), I'm afraid I'm gonna have to give a rain check on that. The last thing we need to do is reenact an Aesop's Fable If we have any POs left who would want to investigate Tend to make sure he is what he claims to be and let us know that would be great... So here's what I have so far: 1)Tend may or may not be stealing evidence and preventing us from seeing the roles of victims of night kills. I'm uneasy about that idea and I'll refrain from jumping on him until somebody presents some more concrete evidence... 2) There's apparently a second Mason group made up of Ryan, Secretskull, and Axl and what Ryan claims to be "many others". But Secretskull is supposedly having a bit of a dispute with the other two. Most interesting indeed.... 3) Wasn't Zilla a suspect? Regardless of the fact that What happened now? I guess she's wearing her Cloak of +5 Invisibility... 4) Zavage, a guy (or girl?) who hasn't posted here very much to my knowledge, suddenly comes out and says he's a Watcher. I'm not suspecting him (or her?) of anything just know because I'd like to know: why now? why have you been waiting for a few days for this big reveal? You do realize that on one night you had evidence that would have helped out Newb, right? I don't know about you, but it'd be a great idea to me if you had roleclaimed then and at least, try to prevent us from wasting that lynch... 5) Roy is now a suspect because of Zavage's info, but I'm uncertain about that too until Zavage answers my question... So, barring items 1, 4, and 5 due to uncertainty, we have possibilities 2 and 3 left. Zilla is still shaky though because those bad votes and scarce posting could be due to the fact that she's new at this (I'm trying to defend her; I'm just saying that could be a reason and we know how well it worked when we killed suspicious newbies... poor RR ). So that leaves 2 which in my opinion is the most suspicious one. We have Axl who roleblocked a PO and is announcing a roleblock on OR for having suspicions about him, Ryan who is just plain suspicious in his voting and suddenly claims to have some SOOPR SEKRET POWRZ, and Secretskull who outright attacks people who claim to be in the group as him... Dammit! Too many suspects! Well since it's best to uncover whether or not this is a masonry, I'm gonna choose the one who has been suspicious the longest Vote: Ryanderman EDIT: Oops, Ryan said the Mason contains "a few others" not "many others"... not that that makes much of a difference of course... Last edited by bananarama; 01-21-2008 at 02:49 AM.

01-21-2008, 04:50 AM	#1089
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	...That's all I needed to hear. Unvote: Wasoe Vote: OctoberRaven Go, go, go. Edit- Before you ask, no, I don't have some crazy Jester stipulation. If I do, I sure as hell don't know about it. But Pink Bunny raised a VERY good point in that I should have been killed ages ago. And for the record, I have one kill, one roleblock, one protect. EDIT AGAIN- Remember town, this can be your ONLY chance to 100% verify that I am town. If you don't take this, and I die or I am culted... LAST EDIT- You're welcome, Town. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!" Last edited by OctoberRaven; 01-21-2008 at 04:56 AM.

01-21-2008, 03:26 AM	#1086
Captain Combustible Can't spell.... or count Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 27	Wasoe was also on newb's list (although newbs list isn't 100% accurate) and has been acting kind of weird all game. I would wait to hear from SS before I can say anything about Ryanderman since SS has yet to respond to Ryanderman. Also I agree with Tend that moogle targeting Sithdark night one and their is a good chance he is the cult leader. I would actually prefer a moogle lynch since we need the Cult leaders to die.

01-21-2008, 04:40 AM	#1088
Pink Bunny Shyguy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 100	Personally I don't believe for even a second that you're Town. Now, I'm not going to say you were never town, I can't confirm that, but I can't believe for even a moment that you aren't Culted. You've claimed your role for awhile. You said you were a PO, and a Killer, and a BG, and from what you've said prior, it sounds as if you had two PO charges, two kill Charges, and (???) BG charges, although I'm willing to believe you have two there since you spent one on Tendronai. At the very least Zavage confirmed you targeted Tendronai, and he's still alive, so its believable. With that said, the only other possible thing I can think you'd have is 1 more BG charge and maybe 2 roleblocks if this inventor schitck is following that pattern of ability spread. That said, you've been a very useful utility tool for Town, and to public claim like that and still be alive to now...? I don't see it. Hell, before I was _vaguely_ town with no real established power set and you saw for yourself; I had three people attempt to kill me back to back. You actually have powers that you're supposedly pro-actively helping town with, and they aren't killing you? Eh... If you're cult like I think you are, you're protecting Tendronai, who I think is also cult. But neither of you are leaders, I doubt a leader would get as many abilities as you, so its unimportant to go for you right now with so many people left. That's enough time for POs to do their job to confirm you. ... I'd rather lynch Roy or Ryan for their Tendronai targeting. I'm more interested in Ryan than Roy. If Roy is telling the truth about not leaving his home, then maybe he has some kind of self-power and that mafia re-router that got B_Real killed by targeting me might have pointed Roy Tend's way.

01-21-2008, 04:57 AM	#1090
Pink Bunny Shyguy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 100	Unless you have something that stops a lynch and confirms you, isn't that a bit rash since there are noticeably scummy people still about?