Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game - Page 134

Ape Boy · 01-31-2008, 01:17 AM

I had the one-off ability to re-direct an action targeted at me to another player. This subsequently was how Ol' Dude met his end.

Sorry 'bout that, buddy.

OctoberRaven · 01-31-2008, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ape Boy

I had the one-off ability to re-direct an action targeted at me to another player. This subsequently was how Ol' Dude met his end.

Sorry 'bout that, buddy.

So wait, you get confirmation when something is redirected off you?

Interesting.

secretskull · 01-31-2008, 05:35 AM

I just had a thought. Wasoe and Moogle are claiming that they are Mafia, and that all they want is to stop the cult, correct?

But wouldn't that be the perfect claim to make if one of them was the cult leader? They play off their past scumminess, and "help" us track down the CL. We never suspect them.

We've taken down one cult, I think it might be safe enough to at least check this theory out.

OctoberRaven · 01-31-2008, 06:08 AM

They can't kill both the POs (especially if BGed), so I say it's worth a shot.

That's something I said before, but apparently we're the only two who considers that a likely possibility.

Unfortunately, I don't have investigations left (because they'res also Ape Boy, who can be confirmed at least as a deflector this way), just a kill and a roleblock. I don't see the point of roleblocking Moogle or Wasoe in case both are telling the truth, and who knows what would happen if I roleblock Apes. The kill will probably reveal info this time around, though, but is it worth it?

The Albertos are probably more of a threat than Wasoe, Apes, and Moogle, because if they're lying then we know.

EDIT- In case you're wondering, I'm not going out of town this weekend, so I'll be able to go through to the end of day.

Moogle0119 · 01-31-2008, 09:38 AM

Ape Boy is telling the truth. That's our last Condatino family member. I suppose ss could be right about one us being the remaining CL, but the very same could be said for their mason group. At least as far as the mafia goes, you KNOW that there's only 3 remaining mafiates left for our family and if any of us turn up what we didn't claim to be. Whereas the deal with your mason group seems much more suspicious and less easily provable. You guys keep saying "Oh yup, he's part of our mason group too. Sorry." and have no way of proving it other than saying he's part of your group.

It also seems Jeneralissimo didn't get the memo on me.

FoS: Jeneralissimo for even considering me being the CL which has already been proven that I can't be. Nice try buddy I've already claimed Mafiate BG who's working with the town until we take down the bigger threat (the Cult).

Jeneralissimo · 01-31-2008, 09:50 AM

Can you just summarize for me why it is that you can't be the cult leader? It's not that I don't believe you; I just haven't been able to follow all the arguments in here, and I am sure that there are others who would appreciate a condensed version. (Or, if you've already posted this, just link me to it.) Thank you.

Ryanderman · 01-31-2008, 10:06 AM

Isn't it possible that the cult leader has control of all three members of your mafia? And that he ordered two of you to reveal yourselves, and one of you not to, so he could pose as the one who didn't reveal himself?

That's a serious question, are there enough unaccounted for inductions for that to be possible?

Moogle0119 · 01-31-2008, 10:28 AM

Jeneralissimo I'm just gonna link you to a few of the longer points I've made.

Me roleclaiming
Me defending myself against OctoberRaven's vote on me
Reasoning why I'm not culted from last night
More crap I've said on the subject

You very well could be telling the truth, but it's already been proven that the Cult of Music didn't target Sithdarth until Night 2 the very same night he was killed. The thing I feared the most earlier on was the Cult of Personality since they had a night AFTER they inducted Sithdarth before he died. Within that time Sithdarth might have told Doppler12 x2 who our entire mafia was and get us all culted. The Cult of Music had no such opportunity though. The Cult of Music is the only one left. secretskull pointed out yesterday that B_real was culted but made no mention of him being DOUBLE-culted which is how we know that B_real was the one who was culted last night and ended up dying. Thus there are no new cultees.

Ryanderman the very same could be said for your masonship. However we (Condatino family) had a lot more to lose by coming out and being honest to try and get rid of this cult threat, because nobody else is going to be able to win the game for us at least you'll have the rest of the town to rely on once you're dead. If you guys are that deadpressed on wasting lynches on mafia go right ahead but you'll just give the cult more time to induct others who haven't already been culted. We gained a lot last night by killing off one of the Cult Leaders I'd suggest not losing our lead while we still have it.

Ryanderman · 01-31-2008, 11:54 AM

Moogle0119, there's no need to get defensive, at least on my account. I was asking a genuine question, not making an accusation. If you can show through the records of those who have died that the cult leader could not have possibly inducted all three of the remaining members of your mafia, then that proves to my satisfaction at least that you are what you claim to be. If you can't show that though, if there are still three unaccounted for cultists, then we have a legitimate concern. But I honestly don't know which is the case.

secretskull · 01-31-2008, 11:59 AM

Ok, I'm convinced, we'll let up. We should try and work together at the moment. We need to decide on three things today.

1. Who is the most likely to be the CL. We lynch him.
2. Who is the second most likely. The Contadinos kill him at night.
3. Who is under suspition of being the CL, and we cannot risk killing. We investigate this person.

Because none of the militia is culted at the moment, and the PO has not been revealed, we have one more day in which we can trust the mason PO. More if I manage to block a culting tonight, (I can target myself, so there is no "safe" option for the cult).

EDIT: Moogle, I have a question. Does the mafia recieve information on who it has killed? It would be useful to know these things now that Tendronai is gone.

01-31-2008, 01:17 AM	#1331
Ape Boy This was a triumph Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lowry Park Zoo, 3rd cage from the back Posts: 183	I had the one-off ability to re-direct an action targeted at me to another player. This subsequently was how Ol' Dude met his end. Sorry 'bout that, buddy. __________________ Nothing to see here. ...Seriously. So stop looking. Pervert.

01-31-2008, 05:35 AM	#1333
secretskull SMARTASS Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Israel Posts: 1,297	I just had a thought. Wasoe and Moogle are claiming that they are Mafia, and that all they want is to stop the cult, correct? But wouldn't that be the perfect claim to make if one of them was the cult leader? They play off their past scumminess, and "help" us track down the CL. We never suspect them. We've taken down one cult, I think it might be safe enough to at least check this theory out. __________________ Do geese see god? Everyone is an asshole. Including me. Especially including the double asshole who read this and nodded smugly.

01-31-2008, 06:08 AM	#1334
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	They can't kill both the POs (especially if BGed), so I say it's worth a shot. That's something I said before, but apparently we're the only two who considers that a likely possibility. Unfortunately, I don't have investigations left (because they'res also Ape Boy, who can be confirmed at least as a deflector this way), just a kill and a roleblock. I don't see the point of roleblocking Moogle or Wasoe in case both are telling the truth, and who knows what would happen if I roleblock Apes. The kill will probably reveal info this time around, though, but is it worth it? The Albertos are probably more of a threat than Wasoe, Apes, and Moogle, because if they're lying then we know. EDIT- In case you're wondering, I'm not going out of town this weekend, so I'll be able to go through to the end of day. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!" Last edited by OctoberRaven; 01-31-2008 at 06:12 AM.

01-31-2008, 09:38 AM	#1335
Moogle0119 The REAL Lord of the Dance Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Narshe Caves Posts: 397	Ape Boy is telling the truth. That's our last Condatino family member. I suppose ss could be right about one us being the remaining CL, but the very same could be said for their mason group. At least as far as the mafia goes, you KNOW that there's only 3 remaining mafiates left for our family and if any of us turn up what we didn't claim to be. Whereas the deal with your mason group seems much more suspicious and less easily provable. You guys keep saying "Oh yup, he's part of our mason group too. Sorry." and have no way of proving it other than saying he's part of your group. It also seems Jeneralissimo didn't get the memo on me. FoS: Jeneralissimo for even considering me being the CL which has already been proven that I can't be. Nice try buddy I've already claimed Mafiate BG who's working with the town until we take down the bigger threat (the Cult). __________________ One day the tides will turn One day the fields will burn One day the seas will churn The fury of our maker's hand What will you do?

01-31-2008, 09:50 AM	#1336
Jeneralissimo Happy quails come from California Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Neverwhere Posts: 682	Can you just summarize for me why it is that you can't be the cult leader? It's not that I don't believe you; I just haven't been able to follow all the arguments in here, and I am sure that there are others who would appreciate a condensed version. (Or, if you've already posted this, just link me to it.) Thank you. __________________ Hey, if they expected writers to know grammar, they wouldn't hire editors. ~ Fifthfiend *Warning: Long-time exposure to chat8bit has been known to cause severe brain damage, mental retardation, seizures, eyeball bleeding, violent fits, spontaneous combustion, death, reanimation, and a total disregard for physics. ~ RZ

01-31-2008, 10:06 AM	#1337
Ryanderman Beard of Leadership Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 827	Isn't it possible that the cult leader has control of all three members of your mafia? And that he ordered two of you to reveal yourselves, and one of you not to, so he could pose as the one who didn't reveal himself? That's a serious question, are there enough unaccounted for inductions for that to be possible? __________________ ~Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to stop, it turns. You tell it to turn, it stops. You tell it to take out the trash, it watches reruns of Firefly.~

01-31-2008, 10:28 AM	#1338
Moogle0119 The REAL Lord of the Dance Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Narshe Caves Posts: 397	Jeneralissimo I'm just gonna link you to a few of the longer points I've made. Me roleclaiming Me defending myself against OctoberRaven's vote on me Reasoning why I'm not culted from last night More crap I've said on the subject You very well could be telling the truth, but it's already been proven that the Cult of Music didn't target Sithdarth until Night 2 the very same night he was killed. The thing I feared the most earlier on was the Cult of Personality since they had a night AFTER they inducted Sithdarth before he died. Within that time Sithdarth might have told Doppler12 x2 who our entire mafia was and get us all culted. The Cult of Music had no such opportunity though. The Cult of Music is the only one left. secretskull pointed out yesterday that B_real was culted but made no mention of him being DOUBLE-culted which is how we know that B_real was the one who was culted last night and ended up dying. Thus there are no new cultees. Ryanderman the very same could be said for your masonship. However we (Condatino family) had a lot more to lose by coming out and being honest to try and get rid of this cult threat, because nobody else is going to be able to win the game for us at least you'll have the rest of the town to rely on once you're dead. If you guys are that deadpressed on wasting lynches on mafia go right ahead but you'll just give the cult more time to induct others who haven't already been culted. We gained a lot last night by killing off one of the Cult Leaders I'd suggest not losing our lead while we still have it. __________________ One day the tides will turn One day the fields will burn One day the seas will churn The fury of our maker's hand What will you do?

01-31-2008, 11:54 AM	#1339
Ryanderman Beard of Leadership Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 827	Moogle0119, there's no need to get defensive, at least on my account. I was asking a genuine question, not making an accusation. If you can show through the records of those who have died that the cult leader could not have possibly inducted all three of the remaining members of your mafia, then that proves to my satisfaction at least that you are what you claim to be. If you can't show that though, if there are still three unaccounted for cultists, then we have a legitimate concern. But I honestly don't know which is the case. __________________ ~Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to stop, it turns. You tell it to turn, it stops. You tell it to take out the trash, it watches reruns of Firefly.~

01-31-2008, 11:59 AM	#1340
secretskull SMARTASS Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Israel Posts: 1,297	Ok, I'm convinced, we'll let up. We should try and work together at the moment. We need to decide on three things today. 1. Who is the most likely to be the CL. We lynch him. 2. Who is the second most likely. The Contadinos kill him at night. 3. Who is under suspition of being the CL, and we cannot risk killing. We investigate this person. Because none of the militia is culted at the moment, and the PO has not been revealed, we have one more day in which we can trust the mason PO. More if I manage to block a culting tonight, (I can target myself, so there is no "safe" option for the cult). EDIT: Moogle, I have a question. Does the mafia recieve information on who it has killed? It would be useful to know these things now that Tendronai is gone. __________________ Do geese see god? Everyone is an asshole. Including me. Especially including the double asshole who read this and nodded smugly.