Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game - Page 142

Moogle0119 · 02-01-2008, 03:09 PM

That is a really really long post but already I can see many flaws in it Ryanderman.

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Originally Posted by Ryanderman

If Sith was induced by Personality night 1, he would have had the entire day in which to tell the Politician his role, and who belonged to his Mafia.

"If"? There is no if about it unless you're trying to say Zavage lied. Remember...

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Originally Posted by Zavage

I have remained silent for far too long. I am the Watcher, town-aligned. I pick one person each night, and see who targets them.

Night 1, I watched Sithdarth who was visited by Silly Kitty (dead), Skyshot (who’s now B_Real II), Major Blood (who's now Doppler), and Moogle0119.

Night 2, I watched Demetrius. However, I never got anything back from Fenris, so I'm assuming I was roleblocked.

Night 3, I watched Newb. I saw him having a phone conversation ODWTF and Brock Samson. Tendronai says ODWTF was a mason, which backs up my theory that Newb wasn’t masoned to Nikose at all. However, I don’t trust Tendronai.

Night 4, I watched Tendronai. He ran into the night and came back a little later hunched over. He was visited by OctoberRaven, Roy, and Ryanderman.

Last night, I watched Tendronai. No one visited him, but like night 4, he sneaks out of the house and comes back hunched over as if he is hiding a great deal of evidence.

Vote: Tendronai

Explain yourself.

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Major Blood (not Doppler, Doppler WAS on his second life) was the one who inducted Sithdarth. See Doppler12 x2's lynching yesterday for proof of that. See how he targeted him on Night 1? Ok

As to the apparent "Why didn't Major Blood ask Sithdarth who the rest of the mafia was" that can very easily be supported by the fact that Major Blood did need to be replaced. Hence he probably sent in his cult induction then never bothered contacting Sithdarth afterwards and lost him before he could get the info. Or Major Blood just stopped playing after the first night which would coincide with Jeneralissimo's story that she was the only other one that was in the Cult of Personality prior to Doppler12 x2's death.

As for the whole theory that I'm CL, why would I be stupid enough to cultify B_real when he was trying to get me lynched? Or for that matter why would I stupidly roleclaim something and entirely be expected to be investigated? I have had no qualms about being investigated and neither has the rest of our mafia. I knew that roleclaiming like I had no CL would want to cult me and that's why I haven't said anything against it. I'm finding it extremely strange that everyone else seems to agree that we need to be asking for roleclaims and checking them with past actions to find out who's the scummiest, while only you and bananarama still insist on trying to lynch a mafiate and let this game of "Find the Cult Leader" get even worse. If I didn't know you were associated with secretskull already I would have you two pegged as the remaining Albertos trying to hold a grudge.

Edit: Seems like I may have hit a nerve with my earlier comment about how you seemed awfully quick to bandwagon and had wildly different views from your mason buddy secretskull. I'm wondering if the three of you (Axl, Ryanderman, and bananarama) aren't culted at this point now.

Ryanderman · 02-01-2008, 03:28 PM

I forgot about the significance of Zavage's post. But it only strengthens my theory, as it eliminates any chance of Sith's being inducted on night 2.

And the replacement players have been confusing me a bit as I try to sort through who did what. You're right, I missed that Doppler was on his second life. But it doesn't change anything. I don't believe Sith was inducted by the Cult of Music night two. And the Band Leader has certainly been active this entire game.

As for your actions, I don't see cultifying B_real as a stupid move at all. You could have easily planned to order him to continue to accuse you, but manipulate it in a way that he loses credibility. It's what I would have done.

As for investigations, by getting your fellow mafiates to roleclaim, you hoped to avoid PO investigations. We're all so intent on finding the cult leader, that no PO would want to waste his investigation on a confirmed mafiate.

I admit that you've weakened my theory. It's possible that Major Blood was too inactive to find out who the other Condatino's are, or that if he found out, he never inducted them. But It doesn't destroy it. I still hold that it makes a lot more sense for the Band Leader to have inducted Sith night 1. And if so, Zavages post indicates your guilt.

Moogle0119 · 02-01-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanderman

As for your actions, I don't see cultifying B_real as a stupid move at all. You could have easily planned to order him to continue to accuse you, but manipulate it in a way that he loses credibility. It's what I would have done.

Actually that's impossible for me to have done. I can't remember which PO declared it, but someone said yesterday they had checked out B_real and found out he was a culted mafiate roleblocker. Doppler12 x2 died at the lynch. B_real died that night. B_real turned up DOUBLE culted. Prior to that there was no indication from the investigation that he was double culted. So even if I were the CL there's no way I would have been able to talk with B_real yesterday. Another hole in the theory.

Again I'm not hoping to avoid investigations I have been welcoming them the entire time. Go ahead and investigate me, I'm surprised nobody did it yesterday which is kind of what I was hoping for honestly so I wouldn't have to keep defending myself against false claims like this.

The very same reasoning I would have no reason whatsoever to go after B_real for a cult induction also debunks the fact that I could have possibly culted him night 1 since I'm not the CL. Every protection I'm made since Sithdarth died has been to protect wasoe.

Ryanderman · 02-01-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Moogle0119

Actually that's impossible for me to have done. I can't remember which PO declared it, but someone said yesterday they had checked out B_real and found out he was a culted mafiate roleblocker. Doppler12 x2 died at the lynch. B_real died that night. B_real turned up DOUBLE culted. Prior to that there was no indication from the investigation that he was double culted. So even if I were the CL there's no way I would have been able to talk with B_real yesterday. Another hole in the theory.

That was the Militia PO, and it doesn't mean anything to what we're discussing now. I said it was likely your plan after inducting him, not that you got a chance to do it.

Moogle0119 · 02-01-2008, 03:48 PM

Sorry it was hard to understand from the way you had worded whether you meant before or after Day 6 since both were discussed in the past tense but whatever.

I still disagree, if I had been the CL I would not have gone for a confirmed mafiate (especially one that was trying to get my lynched and was under fire himself) that would just be making a horrible and risky decision.

Ryanderman · 02-01-2008, 03:51 PM

At the time, there was nothing confirmed about his being a mafiate. I believe at the time, no one trusted me when I said he was. It was after he was lynched that I was proven to have been telling the truth.

Moogle0119 · 02-01-2008, 03:56 PM

True, nothing was solidly confirmed but I believed what you claimed earlier about B_real right here. That eventually led to others switching their votes and then DarthMauler using his mayor power to pull off the day kill/lynch.

Ryanderman · 02-01-2008, 04:03 PM

Then that's a valid question for anyone who could be the Cult Leader. By your argument, it wouldn't make sense for anyone to induct B_real, if the reasons against inducting him were because of his credibility and likelihood of dying, as opposed the fact that he was advocating lynching you. It wouldn't make sense for anyone to induct him. Yet someone did. So you can't use that as an argument against your being the Band Leader.

Moogle0119 · 02-01-2008, 04:07 PM

Ehh I suppose you're right about that since whoever the CL is did in fact do it, but it's definitely not something I would have done had I been in that position.

Pink Bunny · 02-01-2008, 04:22 PM

Meh. If I could vote I would vote Banana right now and seek out an investigation on h4x.

I have my doubts Banana is vanilla. Either he's the CL or he's their PO.
Low on time and apathy has been growing. We've almost squeezed all the blood out of the list that it can offer without getting to the lynching and night results.

02-01-2008, 03:28 PM	#1412
Ryanderman Beard of Leadership Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 827	I forgot about the significance of Zavage's post. But it only strengthens my theory, as it eliminates any chance of Sith's being inducted on night 2. And the replacement players have been confusing me a bit as I try to sort through who did what. You're right, I missed that Doppler was on his second life. But it doesn't change anything. I don't believe Sith was inducted by the Cult of Music night two. And the Band Leader has certainly been active this entire game. As for your actions, I don't see cultifying B_real as a stupid move at all. You could have easily planned to order him to continue to accuse you, but manipulate it in a way that he loses credibility. It's what I would have done. As for investigations, by getting your fellow mafiates to roleclaim, you hoped to avoid PO investigations. We're all so intent on finding the cult leader, that no PO would want to waste his investigation on a confirmed mafiate. I admit that you've weakened my theory. It's possible that Major Blood was too inactive to find out who the other Condatino's are, or that if he found out, he never inducted them. But It doesn't destroy it. I still hold that it makes a lot more sense for the Band Leader to have inducted Sith night 1. And if so, Zavages post indicates your guilt. __________________ ~Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to stop, it turns. You tell it to turn, it stops. You tell it to take out the trash, it watches reruns of Firefly.~

02-01-2008, 03:48 PM	#1415
Moogle0119 The REAL Lord of the Dance Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Narshe Caves Posts: 397	Sorry it was hard to understand from the way you had worded whether you meant before or after Day 6 since both were discussed in the past tense but whatever. I still disagree, if I had been the CL I would not have gone for a confirmed mafiate (especially one that was trying to get my lynched and was under fire himself) that would just be making a horrible and risky decision. __________________ One day the tides will turn One day the fields will burn One day the seas will churn The fury of our maker's hand What will you do?

02-01-2008, 03:51 PM	#1416
Ryanderman Beard of Leadership Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 827	At the time, there was nothing confirmed about his being a mafiate. I believe at the time, no one trusted me when I said he was. It was after he was lynched that I was proven to have been telling the truth. __________________ ~Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to stop, it turns. You tell it to turn, it stops. You tell it to take out the trash, it watches reruns of Firefly.~

02-01-2008, 03:56 PM	#1417
Moogle0119 The REAL Lord of the Dance Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Narshe Caves Posts: 397	True, nothing was solidly confirmed but I believed what you claimed earlier about B_real right here. That eventually led to others switching their votes and then DarthMauler using his mayor power to pull off the day kill/lynch. __________________ One day the tides will turn One day the fields will burn One day the seas will churn The fury of our maker's hand What will you do?

02-01-2008, 04:03 PM	#1418
Ryanderman Beard of Leadership Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 827	Then that's a valid question for anyone who could be the Cult Leader. By your argument, it wouldn't make sense for anyone to induct B_real, if the reasons against inducting him were because of his credibility and likelihood of dying, as opposed the fact that he was advocating lynching you. It wouldn't make sense for anyone to induct him. Yet someone did. So you can't use that as an argument against your being the Band Leader. __________________ ~Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to stop, it turns. You tell it to turn, it stops. You tell it to take out the trash, it watches reruns of Firefly.~

02-01-2008, 04:07 PM	#1419
Moogle0119 The REAL Lord of the Dance Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Narshe Caves Posts: 397	Ehh I suppose you're right about that since whoever the CL is did in fact do it, but it's definitely not something I would have done had I been in that position. __________________ One day the tides will turn One day the fields will burn One day the seas will churn The fury of our maker's hand What will you do?

02-01-2008, 04:22 PM	#1420
Pink Bunny Shyguy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 100	Meh. If I could vote I would vote Banana right now and seek out an investigation on h4x. I have my doubts Banana is vanilla. Either he's the CL or he's their PO. Low on time and apathy has been growing. We've almost squeezed all the blood out of the list that it can offer without getting to the lynching and night results.