Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[Ryanderman]

There must have be at least two mason groups, becuase I'm part of a group that includes Axl and a few others, but didn't include Newb. It seems that the term masondoesn't have anything to do with the secret society upon which it's based. It's just a term for people who can talk with other people outside the game, so there's no problem with there being more than one group of them.

And I did target Tendronai the other night, but it wasn't a negative target. My role is not one that does any harm to the people I target. If it becomes evident that I'm about to be lynched today, I'll roleclaim, but I'd rather not, as I'll become pretty useless if everyone knows what I can do.

EDIT: I just realized something

Vote: secretskull

Originally Posted by secretskull

I've got a question. We were pretty dead set on voting Axl yesterday; he claimed to be a Mason despite the fact that he accused Newb, the dead Mason. I don't really buy the fact that there are two mason groups without them having separate names.

Secretskull is part of the mason group I'm in. Yet he doesn't buy there being two mason groups. Not likely.

[Zavage]

Originally Posted by Doppler12

Um, Zavage, How is Tendronai in anyway bad, he's giving us the roles of dead players, we kinda need him...

As you said yourself, Tendronai's probably culted by now. As such, he could easily lie to us about the dead player's roles. Let's assume he's culted
for the sake of this argument. If another member of that cult, especially one he or another member has been working closely with, is killed he could easily report that person as town-aligned to prevent any suspicion. He could even blatantly lie about a role if it suited his purpose as long as he was careful with replacements' original roles. This is all hypothetical, however.

Originally Posted by h4x.m4g3

Wasn't sith double-culted? My guess is two of those names are cult heads.

I thought of that too, but the problem is that Sithdarth was killed night two. It's entirely possible that he was inducted twice and killed in the same night, which is was I didn't start voting them yet. Maybe a PO or a killer could try targeting one of them.

Originally Posted by Ape Boy

Sithdarth was targeted.

Um... I actually made a mistake. Sithdarth wasn't targeted, those four visited him, same as Tendronai. Sorry, I'll go edit my other post now.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

If Raven was telling the truth, he protected Tendronai. So we can eliminate that possibility for now and move on to the two who had no business touching Tendronai: What the hell were Roy and Ryan targeting him for?

Well, I didn't visit anyone. So.

I'm also going to say it was a real bad idea to release those names with nothing known about them, because now the bad guys have a nice big list with every townie with powers.

And was the night Sithdarth "visited" the night he died?

[Tendronai]

First of all, thank you all for being patient and waiting for me to come on instead of rushing into a lynch.

Now, the issue of me stealing roles. Not me. Someone else. It was there when I roleclaimed via implication - someone else is doing it, that much I said. However, the part I didn't mention then was that I need this person dead to achieve a win. I'm assuming they have a survivor self-aligned role, since it was mentioned that I did not win with the town if the person is still alive. I didn't mention it before because I really wanted to keep it a secret. I'd rather not have my... target, for lack of a better phrase, know I want them dead. But since you all want answers, I don't have much choice, and now just have to hope that they get lynched/nightkilled before the game ends.

People visiting me on night four, though - I have no idea what they were doing. If October is to be trusted, he guarded me from whatever the other two were doing. And due to the fact that most of the distrust I had on his BG claim was due to the fact Ryan claimed he knew something else, I think that October can be trusted at this point. At least in the guarding me point.

I don't know why or for what purposes any of them visited me, though. I'd like to point out from the targeting of Newb, though, that he called his friends. Were I actually to have been communicating with the others as part of some grandoise plan, (I assume) it would have shown up as a telephone conversation or somesuch.

I think the much more important issue here is that there was no night zero. Which means Sithdarth's double culting had to happen on either night one or two. Of the three names that have been revealed, I'd say Moogle is most likely to be scum, given how quiet he's being. He hasn't posted in two weeks, and the last one was a vote for Newb. So

VOTE : MOOGLE0119

[Ape Boy]

Originally Posted by Zavage

Um... I actually made a mistake. Sithdarth wasn't targeted, those four visited him, same as Tendronai. Sorry, I'll go edit my other post now.

Fair enough, thanks for the correction notice.

I'm going to keep my vote on OctRave for the time being. We've had suspicions about him previous to this, and now with Zavage's info being a potential implication, we should be able to gleen some information from his death one way or the other.

I still do not absolve Tendronai of suspicion at this point, though. His most recent defense above me seems a good bit odd, as he basically says "Ignore most of the guys visiting me from Zavage's report, look at a different part of it!" and he secreted information away from us. I mean, why not say who the win-condition target is, as he's sure to know what his own ability is and knows it's him now that's you've described it.

FoS: Tendronai

[Tendronai]

Originally Posted by Ape Boy

I still do not absolve Tendronai of suspicion at this point, though. His most recent defense above me seems a good bit odd, as he basically says "Ignore most of the guys visiting me from Zavage's report, look at a different part of it!" and he secreted information away from us. I mean, why not say who the win-condition target is, as he's sure to know what his own ability is and knows it's him now that's you've described it.

The reason why I'm not saying anything about it is because I don't know what any of it was about. I think October protected me as he said he did, but that doesn't really help me in knowing what the other two were doing.

As for my win condition target, I don't know who it is. I just have to make sure that the Scavenger dies.

[Ape Boy]

Originally Posted by Tendronai

The reason why I'm not saying anything about it is because I don't know what any of it was about. I think October protected me as he said he did, but that doesn't really help me in knowing what the other two were doing.

As for my win condition target, I don't know who it is. I just have to make sure that the Scavenger dies.

Understandable and fair.

The same way that we have to act on the information you provide us, however, I believe we have to be just as diligent with someone providing us with detailed infomation like Zavage.

With that in mind, suspicion existed already on OR, Zavage introduced something to re-inforce that suspicion, and you get a bit of that spill-over for being connected to him in some part.

[Pink Bunny]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Well, I didn't visit anyone. So.

I'm also going to say it was a real bad idea to release those names with nothing known about them, because now the bad guys have a nice big list with every townie with powers.

And was the night Sithdarth "visited" the night he died?

Heh, you'd be lying on that first juncture likely. Zavage pointed out that OctoberRaven, Ryan, and you targeted him.

Raven has already admitted to targeting him that night, and as just shown, Ryan admitted he targeted Tendronai, too. (Although he didn't say what his targeting did.)

You, on the other hand are just flat out saying you didn't visit anyone. So are you trying to suggest that randomly Zavage just happened to decide to say you targeted him, despite two out of three of them agreeing to their charges?

Its a weak lie.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

It is not a lie, though. I mean really that's all I can say. There's no proof to support me.

[P-Sleazy]

Are you the Scavanger Roy? Because I think you are! Roy D Scaylote!

So, the cult things been brought up. Tendy might be cult. He could also be the guy who's keeping us from seeing all the roles publicly. Also for all we know, the scavenger is a false role because he himself seems to be a scavenger, scavenging the night of our dead's idendifications. So, my BS-O-Meter is telling me to do this.

UNVOTE: RYANDERMAN
VOTE: TENDRONAI!